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From: owner-mobility-digest@lists.xmission.com (mobility-digest)
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mobility-digest Monday, June 21 1999 Volume 02 : Number 022
Re: (mobility) All Time and Running Man Techno song
RE: (mobility) All Time and Running Man Techno song
(mobility) What is techno?
Re: Re[2]: (mobility) All Time and Running Man Techno song
(mobility) techno music
Re: (mobility) All Time and Running Man Techno song
Re: (mobility) techno music
Re: (mobility) All Time and Running Man Techno song
Re: (mobility) All Time
Re: (mobility) What is techno?
Re[2]: (mobility) Play Play for sale/ and 1515 MTV
(mobility) old compilations
Re[4]: (mobility) All Time and Running Man Techno song
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Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 14:43:52 EDT
From: UHF@aol.com
Subject: Re: (mobility) All Time and Running Man Techno song
anyone remember the song silicon jesus? forgot who it's by, and anyone know
who made nightmare? there's one other song that i just can't describe because
it uses a classical song, which uses poeples voices more than anything else,
but i can't figure out a way to describe it.
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 13:47:41 -0500
From: "Stegenga, Scott" <scotts@tunes.com>
Subject: RE: (mobility) All Time and Running Man Techno song
'Silicon Jesus' was by Psykosonik. Their second outing 'Unlearn' wasn't too
bad actually.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: UHF@aol.com [mailto:UHF@aol.com]
> Sent: Monday, June 21, 1999 1:44 PM
> To: mobility@lists.xmission.com
> Subject: Re: (mobility) All Time and Running Man Techno song
>
>
> anyone remember the song silicon jesus? forgot who it's by,
> and anyone know
> who made nightmare? there's one other song that i just can't
> describe because
> it uses a classical song, which uses poeples voices more than
> anything else,
> but i can't figure out a way to describe it.
>
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 20:53:32 +0200
From: "Bart van Eijck" <eijck@IAE.nl>
Subject: (mobility) What is techno?
It seems we all have a different opinion about WHAT techno is...
This is what the booklet of the best classic techno compilation ever
(TECHNO: the new dance sound of Detroit DIXCD 75 (p)+(c) 1988)
has to say about it:
- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
- ----------------------
"Techno music is unashamedly modern in its outlook. It's a mesmerising
underground of new music with looks to the future, breaks with the past
and blends European industrial pop with black American garage funk.
According to Derrick May, the immensely gifted young producer who
works under pseudonyms Rhythm is Rhythm and Mayday, his music goes
'beyond the beat'. It is not simply dance music but a series of sound
experiments that often defy the logic of more uncomplicated dance sounds
like Chicago House.
The origins of techno date back to the late '70s to the
suppressed
identity of European synthesiser groups like Kraftwerk and Yello and to
Brittish electronic funk groups like Heaven 17, New Order and The Human
League. Their music established the synthesiser as the creative core of
new music encouraging a whole generation of young musicians to turn
their basements into makeshift studios. Unknown to Europe the ears of
black America were listening with increasing fascination reversing the
age-old flow of musical influence."
- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
- ----------------------
So I guess Scott Stegenga has a point calling Depeche Mode and
Kraftwerk techno... He's not 100% right though. Without these bands
techno would not have existed, but that doesn't necessarily make them
techno. Brian Eno came up with the idea of 'Ambient' music while listening
to a tape with classical music played at low volume, but that doen't make
classical music Ambient... The same with Techno and Kraftwerk.
Listening to this CD I can say that early Moby = Techno. The tracks on
"Early Underground" have the same sound & feel as the music on
"Techno: the new dance sound of Detroit"
Here's a tracklisting for "Techno: the new dance sound of Detroit":
==================================================
01- Rhythm is Rhythm - It is what it is
02- Blake Baxter - Forever and a day
03- Eddie "Flashin' " Fowkes - Time to express
04- K.S. Experience - Electronic dance
05- Members Of The House - Share this house (radio mix)
06- A Tongue & D Groove - Feel surreal
07- Mia Hesterley (Saunderson/Baxter) - Spark
08- Juan - Techno music
09- Inner City - Big fun
10- Blake Baxter - Ride em boy
11- Shakir - Sequence 10
12- Idol Making - Un, deux, trois
Bart
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 11:58:07 PDT
From: jason miklian <tywebb1@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Re[2]: (mobility) All Time and Running Man Techno song
Jayson-
I got a burner, so I could make CD copies for people (including myself!!)
let me know if you would be willing to part with it and/or what kind of
collateral you would need!
peace-
j
>From: jgmagnus@bkb.com
>Reply-To: mobility@lists.xmission.com
>To: mobility@lists.xmission.com
>Subject: Re[2]: (mobility) All Time and Running Man Techno song
>Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 13:44:41 -0700
>
>
> Thanks for the great info Dan! I'm gonna see if I can order that
> Messiah album for "old-time's sake".
>
> ALSO, a lot of the songs you mention, including "JUMP", are on a
> compilation disk called "RAVE 'TIL DAWN" which was REALLY awesome
>back
> in the day. I actually found the CD last year and bought it. SO, if
> anyone wants a cassette copy let me know.
>
> A small track listing:
> - Two Little Boys: Stylophonia
> - Movement: Jump
> - (I think "James Brown is Dead")
> - "Are you ready for THIS" (pretty decent remix version)
> - "Injected with the POison" (forgot the artist)
>
> that's all I can think of at the moment.
>
> - Jayson
>
>
>
>______________________________ Reply Separator
>_________________________________
>
>- AB Logic - The Hitman, Get Up
>- Andromeda - Gaza
>- Anticapella - 2 square root of 231 (Ooh Ooh, I Love You, Baby)
>- Apotheosis - O Fortuna
>- Blue Pearl - (Can You) Feel The Passion
>- Bizarre Inc - I'm Gonna Get You, Playing With Knives (Quadrant Mix)
>- DJ Seduction - Hardcore Heaven
>- Human Resource - Dominator
>- Mental Distortion - Oz
>- Robert Miles - Children
>- Moby - Next Is The E (I Feel It), Go (Rainforest Mix), Drop A Beat,
> All That I Need Is To Be Loved, Move
>- Orbital - Halcyon, Lush 3-1, Impact USA
>- The Shamen - Move Any Mountain, LSI (unknown remix that the DJs had)
>- Skin Up - A Juicy Red Apple
>- Space Master - I Need You
>- Two Little Boys - Stylophonia
>- U 96 - Das Boot (not the original, but a cool remix)
>- Underground Resistance - Jupiter Jazz
>- U.S.U.R.A. - Open Your Mind
>- Utah Saints - Something Good, What Can You Do For Me
>- Vapourspace - Gravitational Arch of 10
>
>Remember way back in the day (c.1992) when so many evigorating
>classic techno tracks were coming out but the mainstream scorned
>"techno" (only to embrace "electronica" years later)... There
>was a flash-in-the pan techno-pop hit called "Jump" by The
>Movement. Funny how it's been forgotten (yes, it was disposable).
>
>
>Who loves you, and who do you LOVE?!
>(messiah! messiah!)
>It's time
> to start
> RUNNING!!!
>
>That's real love
>You dreamed about me
>
>:)
>
>The song is called "Temple of Dreams" and it's by Messiah. It's on
>various compilations and Messiah's album _21st Century Jesus_ (which
>also includes the classic track "There Is No Law" and other kickin'
>music).
>
>obMOBY: Just 3 weeks to the release of the "Bodyrock" single!
>
>Daniel
>moby.org
>
>
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Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 13:09:12 -0600
From: Daniel Cerman <dcerman@verinet.com>
Subject: (mobility) techno music
[was Re: (mobility) All Time and Running Man Techno song]
I would like to add that there is a lot of good 1995-and-later music
that I didn't put on my list. Underworld, Squarepusher, Spring Heel
Jack, Josh Wink, and many other good artists have come up but it's
difficult for me to say whether wink's "Are You There?" is a classic,
or if anybody besides me and a few other people has heard of Spring
Heel Jack. But I must recommend the Art Of Trance. They made some
excellent like "Octopus", and have an album out in the UK. Check
them out if you love fast, melodic trance.
"Stegenga, Scott" <scotts@tunes.com> wrote:
>Dan, I noticed you pretty much listed all the songs on that 'Rave Til Dawn'
>compilation that came out in 93. Am I right?
You're somewhat right. ;) Even though the music-should-be-underground
purists sharply criticize it as being too commercial, _Rave 'Til Dawn_
is one of the best techno compilations I have ever heard. I really
like(d) most of the tracks on it. I don't have the version that has
the Apotheosis track on it. I paid a guy a bundle for the single.
Also, the Blue Pearl song on RTD is some remix that's nice but not the
version I want. Several of the songs on RTD I already heard seperately
on the radio.
>I remember playing that CD to
>death at parties, then getting tired of hearing 'O Fortuna' and 'Are U Ready
>4 This?' at just about every major sporting event.
It's funny... "Get Ready For This" really took off in the pop world
years after it was released. It was an old song when many people
thought it was new.
>I had posted Kraftwerk and Depeche Mode before and was told they were not
>techno. I guess I have a mind slip here. Are we assuming techno is a dancier
>version of an electronic song? Just correct me if I'm wrong here. I remember
>listening to electronic/techno/rave whatever we want to call it way back in
>the early 1990's at my college. I remember getting acid house stuff from The
>Lords of Acid and eventually buying their 'Lust' CD a while ago. In my
>opinion, techno/electronica are the same thing. What did I miss?
Okay, to me, "electronica" is politically correct way of saying
"techno". It's roughly equivalent to calling the Internet "the
information superhighway". Revolting. ;)
I consider "techno" to be almost an all-encompassing term for modern
electronic music, from LA Style and 2 Unlimited to really deep tweaky
acid stuff, hardtrance, jungle/d'n'b, IDM, and the countless other
little subgenres that are electronically-based. Though I consider
ambient and house music to fall under that umbrella, I don't call
them "techno".
Bands like Depeche Mode, New Order, and Information Society may be
electronically based, but I consider them "synthpop", not "techno".
I guess it's because the styles are in a more traditional realm or
something. I still love the music. Really old (and often good)
stuff like Kraftwerk and Vangelis is just "electronic music" to me,
for lack of a better term and because they predate what I consider
to be techno.
Revisionists seem to have beaten back the term "techno" to a very
limited meaning. Something like abrasive '92 hardcore. I disagree
with that restricted definition (though as you can see I myself
exclude some electronic music from that label).
Mainstream pop culture stigmatized "techno" as being talentless
emotionless repetition of dweeby computer sounds. I'm afraid that
sometimes that is true. But there is a tremendous wealth of great
techno music that has been made, which has thrilled my senses and
taken me into emotional realms that good ol' rock & roll just can't
touch. Moby made some of those songs, though for the past few years
he's chosen to release only a little bit that type of music.
When the powers that be decided to promote some techno(ish) music
among the masses, they coined the term "electronica". As this was
happening, techno was spilling over into hip-hop, pop, and even
mixing with things as unlikely as country. And so I think that in
practical use, there is some difference between "techno" and
"electronica". For instance, the Prodigy's FOTL stuff and anything
by Fatboy Slim could be called "electronica", I think, but not
"techno". "Electronica" is shifted more towards pop.
Daniel
moby.org
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 21:15:30 +0200
From: "Bart van Eijck" <eijck@IAE.nl>
Subject: Re: (mobility) All Time and Running Man Techno song
>anyone remember the song silicon jesus? forgot who it's by,
nope...
>and anyone know who made nightmare?
Holy Noise - The nightmare
(The main man behind Holy Noise is Paul Elstak. He is a Dutch producer/Dj)
>there's one other song that i just can't describe because it uses a
classical
>song, which uses poeples voices more than anything else, but i can't figure
>out a way to describe it.
Hmm, perhaps one of these..? (they all use classical/opera samples)
T99 - Anasthasia
Apotheosis - O Fortuna
Apotheosis - Obumbratta
Opus Magnum - Rave to the joy
Bart
np: Cybersonic - Backlash [this is real hard techno from 1991!!]
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 21:31:53 +0200
From: "Bart van Eijck" <eijck@IAE.nl>
Subject: Re: (mobility) techno music
Daniel Cerman wrote:
>.....but it's difficult for me to say whether wink's "Are You There?" is a
classic.
"Are you there?" is defenately a weird and minimal song, but I don't think
it's
a classic. I'm thinking more of "Higher state of consciousness"......
>It's funny... "Get Ready For This" really took off in the pop world
>years after it was released. It was an old song when many people
>thought it was new.
Yes, a few years after its release in the Netherlands "Get ready for this"
finally made it to the US.
Bart
np: Nomad - Just a groove
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 15:38:11 EDT
From: David J Bass <nerf-bomb@juno.com>
Subject: Re: (mobility) All Time and Running Man Techno song
I think it might be a remix of the "Phantom of the Opera" by Harajuka. I
have it on this 2cd set I have called Techno Trax vol.5. from 1992. Its
a from a German record label.
Dave
On Mon, 21 Jun 1999 21:15:30 +0200 "Bart van Eijck" <eijck@IAE.nl>
writes:
>>anyone remember the song silicon jesus? forgot who it's by,
>
>nope...
>
>>and anyone know who made nightmare?
>
>Holy Noise - The nightmare
>(The main man behind Holy Noise is Paul Elstak. He is a Dutch
>producer/Dj)
>
>>>>>>there's one other song that i just can't describe because it uses a
>classical
>>song, which uses poeples voices more than anything else, but i can't
>figure
>>out a way to describe it.
>
>Hmm, perhaps one of these..? (they all use classical/opera samples)
>T99 - Anasthasia
>Apotheosis - O Fortuna
>Apotheosis - Obumbratta
>Opus Magnum - Rave to the joy
>
>
>Bart
>np: Cybersonic - Backlash [this is real hard techno from 1991!!]
>
>
>
>
>
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Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 16:16:09 EDT
From: BFle123456@aol.com
Subject: Re: (mobility) All Time
Let's not forget New Order's Blue Monday, Electribe 101's tell Me When the
Fever Ended.
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 16:19:30 EDT
From: BFle123456@aol.com
Subject: Re: (mobility) What is techno?
Does anyone have a mix of CJ Bolland's Sugar is Sweeter?
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 15:45:35 -0700
From: jgmagnus@bkb.com
Subject: Re[2]: (mobility) Play Play for sale/ and 1515 MTV
I saw it. A friend sent me the site a few days before I saw it on MTV.
Nothing really new but it's good to see MOBY getting exposure.
______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________
Subject: Re: (mobility) Play Play for sale/ and 1515 MTV
Author: mobility@lists.xmission.com at INTERNET
Date: 06/21/1999 2:02 PM
for anyone that has not bought the album yet, i am willing to sell one of my
extra copies...reason being that i had bought one the day it came out and
then when i went to see moby at the virgin megastore in nyc, you also had to
buy an album in order to see him....i am asking for 15 which is the amount i
bought it for...oh yeah..did anyone catch 1515 on MTV..it had an interview
with moby talking about the new album and other stuff....it showed clips of
him at the virgin megastore...later..elie
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 15:43:48 -0500
From: flux@scc.net
Subject: (mobility) old compilations
All this talk about "old" techno has got me going back and listening to all
my original cds. I discovered techno, as well as Moby, through
compilations. I've never bought that "Rave 'Til Dawn" cd but I thought I'd
recommend a few other ones.
The two that stand out the most are the "Best of Techno" series and the
"Best of Rave" series.
Best of Techno, as far as I know, has 6 cds. I don't know if you can still
buy them or not but I found the box set of the first four a couple of years
ago. Disk one has the origial Voodoo Child mix as well as Gaza by
Andromeda. Also in the series are Joey Beltram, Zero Zero, G.T.O., Acen, C.
J. Bolland, and the Prodigy among others. With the box set you also get a
megamix cd that I have not seen sold by itself which is decent. Disks 5 and
6 a great as well. Overall a very good set.
Best of Rave has alot of awsome songs. You can get the 4 cds in the
collection seperately or together in a boxed set. Song one on cd one is
Charly by the Prodigy. In the set there are songs by the Shamen and Praga
Khan who does that "Injected with a Poison" song that someone mentioned. (A
little side note, last week on Amp they played the "Injected with a Poison"
video. I don't know if this is the origial or not. It was a different mix
than what I have heard. MTV seems to be pushing Praga Khan on the AMP
website as well.) Anyway, this compilation is good and the best thing about
it is that the 4 cd set cost me a little over $20.
Other recommendations:
Big Hard Disk Vol. 1: two mixes of "I Want Your Body" by Nymphomania as well
as two mixes of "Blue" by LaTour and two Skin Up songs.
Psychotrance: I think this is the first in a series. This one was compiled
and mixed by Mr. C who was part of the Shamen.
Trance Europe Express: Comes with a 192 page book about the artists on the
two cd album. It has "Move" on it by the man himself along with System 7,
Cosmic Baby, C. J. Bolland, Aphex Twin, The ORB, and Barbarella. I highly
recommend this.
Also, I do have that Messiah cd. Very good cd. Jayson if you want a copy
of it let me know. I'll see what I can do.
It seems strange that we're calling these songs old even though they haven't
even been out ten years. Then again the difference between those songs and
the ones coming out now is startling. I'm curious as to what everyone
thinks about what techno will be like in another ten years. Say 2009. What
kind of music will Moby be making? What will it sound like? What will it
be like to look back and say: "Remember when Moby released Play? Man,
those were great times."
Tim
Spin magazine on the Pope:
"A lot of praya-hataz say the Pontiff's fallen off,
though he still loves it when you call him Big Papa."
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 16:22:54 -0700
From: jgmagnus@bkb.com
Subject: Re[4]: (mobility) All Time and Running Man Techno song
I can send it to you (after I find the friggin thing). I don't need
any collateral or anything. Maybe you could make a a compilation cd of
various cool tracks or something. I'd pay for the cost of the blank
cd.
- Jayson
you can email me at: jgmagnus@bkb.com OR jgmagnus@msn.com
who else wants a CD copy?
______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________
Subject: Re: Re[2]: (mobility) All Time and Running Man Techno song
Author: mobility@lists.xmission.com at INTERNET
Date: 06/21/1999 11:58 AM
Jayson-
I got a burner, so I could make CD copies for people (including myself!!)
let me know if you would be willing to part with it and/or what kind of
collateral you would need!
peace-
j
>From: jgmagnus@bkb.com
>Reply-To: mobility@lists.xmission.com
>To: mobility@lists.xmission.com
>Subject: Re[2]: (mobility) All Time and Running Man Techno song
>Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 13:44:41 -0700
>
>
> Thanks for the great info Dan! I'm gonna see if I can order that
> Messiah album for "old-time's sake".
>
> ALSO, a lot of the songs you mention, including "JUMP", are on a
> compilation disk called "RAVE 'TIL DAWN" which was REALLY awesome
>back
> in the day. I actually found the CD last year and bought it. SO, if
> anyone wants a cassette copy let me know.
>
> A small track listing:
> - Two Little Boys: Stylophonia
> - Movement: Jump
> - (I think "James Brown is Dead")
> - "Are you ready for THIS" (pretty decent remix version)
> - "Injected with the POison" (forgot the artist)
>
> that's all I can think of at the moment.
>
> - Jayson
>
>
>
>______________________________ Reply Separator
>_________________________________
>
>- AB Logic - The Hitman, Get Up
>- Andromeda - Gaza
>- Anticapella - 2 square root of 231 (Ooh Ooh, I Love You, Baby)
>- Apotheosis - O Fortuna
>- Blue Pearl - (Can You) Feel The Passion
>- Bizarre Inc - I'm Gonna Get You, Playing With Knives (Quadrant Mix)
>- DJ Seduction - Hardcore Heaven
>- Human Resource - Dominator
>- Mental Distortion - Oz
>- Robert Miles - Children
>- Moby - Next Is The E (I Feel It), Go (Rainforest Mix), Drop A Beat,
> All That I Need Is To Be Loved, Move
>- Orbital - Halcyon, Lush 3-1, Impact USA
>- The Shamen - Move Any Mountain, LSI (unknown remix that the DJs had)
>- Skin Up - A Juicy Red Apple
>- Space Master - I Need You
>- Two Little Boys - Stylophonia
>- U 96 - Das Boot (not the original, but a cool remix)
>- Underground Resistance - Jupiter Jazz
>- U.S.U.R.A. - Open Your Mind
>- Utah Saints - Something Good, What Can You Do For Me
>- Vapourspace - Gravitational Arch of 10
>
>Remember way back in the day (c.1992) when so many evigorating
>classic techno tracks were coming out but the mainstream scorned
>"techno" (only to embrace "electronica" years later)... There
>was a flash-in-the pan techno-pop hit called "Jump" by The
>Movement. Funny how it's been forgotten (yes, it was disposable).
>
>
>Who loves you, and who do you LOVE?!
>(messiah! messiah!)
>It's time
> to start
> RUNNING!!!
>
>That's real love
>You dreamed about me
>
>:)
>
>The song is called "Temple of Dreams" and it's by Messiah. It's on
>various compilations and Messiah's album _21st Century Jesus_ (which
>also includes the classic track "There Is No Law" and other kickin'
>music).
>
>obMOBY: Just 3 weeks to the release of the "Bodyrock" single!
>
>Daniel
>moby.org
>
>
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