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mobility-digest          Monday, June 7 1999          Volume 02 : Number 006



(mobility) I've got to find my baby Wow!
Re: (mobility) PLAY:THE ESSAYS (a response)
Re: (mobility) PLAY:THE ESSAYS (a response)
Re: (mobility) PLAY:THE ESSAYS (a response)
(mobility) dj mix album
Re: (mobility) dj mix album
(mobility) Moby Chat on Sonicnet! 6/9
(mobility) Re: Mail delivery failed: returning message to sender
(mobility) Re: mobility-digest V2 #5
(mobility) Zero population growth is already solved!
Re: (mobility) Zero population growth is already solved!
(mobility) Steven
(mobility) play: say 4
Re: (mobility) PLAY:THE ESSAYS (a response)

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Date: Sun, 6 Jun 1999 16:00:08 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: (mobility) I've got to find my baby Wow!

Hi to all !

I would just like to say that on my way back of the FRench rugby finals last
Saturday (Viva Toulouse !) I heard on a radio called France Inter not Run On,
nor Bodyrock but Find my baby and it was quite a surprise.
Furthermore, Bodyrock kicks ass and I really defend it. It's great. And as i
passed it during a party i was djing people came to tall me ''Wow! What is it
? It's fantastic !" ANd yes it is (for me).


BYE.

Matthieu

(To those who were interested about my site, know that it has been delayed
due to incoming exams. I'm sorry for that)

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Date: Sun, 6 Jun 1999 16:34:46 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (mobility) PLAY:THE ESSAYS (a response)

In a message dated 6/5/99 7:30:07 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
[e-mail] writes:

>
>  You're right that zero-population growth is wishful thinking...however
>  over-population IS the biggest problem facing our society...Sound like an
>  exaggeration?  Well try to think of a social problem that doesn't stem from
>  and is not worsened by overpopulation.  However, if any of you haveve done
>  much study of ecology and population growth, you've probably seen the model
>  of population growth.  There's nothing about our over-population that is
>  radically different than any other species population.  You rise way past
>  the point that your environment can support you, then you crash to less
than
>  half of your peak population.  So my point (long and meandering though it
>  may be) is that as unrealistic and unfair as zero-population growth may
>  sound, compare it to the coming environmental collaps that will handle
>  over-population for us...

true, very true....

the great thing about this is that there is no answer and pretty much no
solution but it's great to hear people's views on this...i wonder what moby
thinks..

elie

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Date: Sun, 6 Jun 1999 16:59:29 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (mobility) PLAY:THE ESSAYS (a response)

Isn't Sam Kennison dead? Doesn't that render him irrelevant

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Date: Sun, 6 Jun 1999 23:26:49 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time)
From: Tim Beecher <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) PLAY:THE ESSAYS (a response)

I've never heard of Sam Kenison before and don't really
care if he's dead or not. If he said those things, I still
think he was a shit for saying them.

I think we're missing the point. The point I'm trying to
make, at least, is one of compassion to our fellow human
beings, a topic relevant to Moby's recent essays, which
I'm really glad Christian brought up. By saying what
purpose is there in Rwandans, we could also say what good
has the west done, except exploit and pollute for our own
benefit and leave the rest of the world fucked up. So maybe
the world might be better without the west. So lets get rid
of all fucking westerners! Of course I don't believe this.

I believe we all belong to this planet and no one has the
right to become a totalitarian communist or nazi and impose
shit on other people. By educating the world and spreading
it's wealth fairly amongst all nations, most of our
problems would be solved. Taking away human rights does not
solve this but exacerbates the problem. So human rights is
not crap at all. If we took away your human rights A.J.,
would you say it was crap then?

This has every relevance with Moby and frankly far more
importance to me (and maybe even Moby?) than Bodyrock,
though I do like it very much.

TMB


On Tue, 08 Jun 1999 02:46:50 +0900 AJ Brustein
<[e-mail]> wrote:

> Hey Tim, I guess you are gone and can't reply, but the reason that Sam Kenison
> hasn't taken them to where the food is, is well, the simple fact that he has
> been dead for a bit.
> Anyway, here I go sounding like a dick again, but tell me, what purpose these
> 3rd world countries like Rwanda or whatever actually serve? I don't want to
> hear human rights or any other crap, seriously, who are they helping, or are
> they just a strain as I see them? I hope someone tells me I am wrong and
> actually proves it. I hope I am.
> Anyway, obviously no one is going to tell the date for Body Rock, so forget
> Mobility as we continue to talk about something of little relevance as usual.
> By the way, maybe someone could also tell me why everyone spells my name
> "Brunstein" and pronounces it like that too? What the hell is the deal with
> that? Anyway.
> AJ
>
>
> Tim Beecher wrote:
> >
> > Uh, A.J. have you ever thought why people in third world
> > countries are in that position and countries like North
> > America and Japan aren't?
> >
> > It's normally because these countries have aggressively
> > exploited third world countries so they have no resources
> > or finance left to educate themselves in sexual health and
> > population control, provide medical help and feed
> > themselves. They are under perpetual debt, paying back
> > interest on loans from industrialised countries that have
> > exploited them to get where they are today. They also don't
> > have much choice where they live either. It's not like you
> > can get millions of people to just uproot themselves and
> > get on a few airplanes and place themselves in the Garden
> > of Eden.
> >
> > So why hasn't Sam Kenison taken them to where the food is?
> > Yeah, he is a fucking idiot!
> >
> > TMB
>

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Tim Beecher
Cranfield University
[e-mail]

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Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 00:09:33 +0100
From: "Geoffrey Sproule" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) dj mix album

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what music do you think moby would include on a album like that
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Date: Sun, 6 Jun 1999 19:17:39 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (mobility) dj mix album

i think moby would but alot of soul/jazz ... perhaps some herbie hancock or
some mills davis ... and then probably some old rock stuff ... and perhaps
some old classical even ...  i would love to hear moby mix up some shit like
that ...

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Date: Sun, 06 Jun 1999 19:15:10 -0600
From: Damian <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) Moby Chat on Sonicnet! 6/9

EVENT INFORMATION:

MOBY

SonicNet/Yahoo! Chat
Tuesday, June 8, 9:00 PM (ET), 6:00 PM (PT)

Go To: http://www.sonicnet.com/channels

______________________________________________________________________________

Dance music enigma Moby returns with his new V2 release "Play."
Talk music, diet and religion with the always articulate and opinionated Moby.
______________________________________________________________________________



I haven't seen this posted or mentioned yet.  So plan ahead.
I missed the cybercast, but I won't be missing this!  :)

D a m i a n.
http://www.xmission.com/~damian/

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Date: Sun, 6 Jun 1999 20:48:32 -0600
From: "krwilson" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) Re: Mail delivery failed: returning message to sender

It's not a problem at all people!  guess what-you're forgetting something
 fundamental here, folks-MOTHER NATURE!  What do you think natural
disasters
 are?  What do you think the black plague was?  what do you think polio
was?
 And what do you think AIDS is?  I'll tell you.  They are all population
 control methods used by the earth itself.  whenever a species starts to
 dominate too much, mother nature steps in and kicks their ass a little.(or
 more likely alot!)  AIDs is a very intelligent way to get rid of us, huh?
 The only way to be sure of avoiding it is to avoid sex, which in turn
 avoids pregnancy and kids.(Artificial insemination would be an effective
 weapon, i think)  By the time we figure AIDs out, we will have lost a
 boatload of people.  Maybe even two boatloads!  And then we'll slowly get
 bigger and bigger, and Good old mother nature will kick our ass a little
 more.  People always seem to underestimate the power of our own planet.
It's true we could blow up the whole world with nukes, but it would have to
be a concentrated effort to do just that.  Anything less would just kill
most life.  But give earth a few million years and you'll never know the
 difference.  New species will arrive and flourish, and some will get too
 tough for their own good and guess what-they'll get their asses kicked a
 little just like always.  Sometimes, though, a species gets too weak and
 gets annihilated(If i spelled that right I deserve a medal!)  If we push
the envelope too long, mother nature might just decide to can us.  So,
 although I agree wholeheartedly with Zac, I disagree that zero population
 growth is a problem-or even an issue.  I think education and Families(the
 kind with TWO parents) are the biggest need right now.  Also- If both
parents work, who's gonna raise the kid(s)?  The babysitter?  If I was
 raised by a babysitter 'cause my parents cared 'bout their careers more
 than rearing their own child, I'd hunt 'em down!  If both parents NEED
jobs
to survive, maybe they shouldn't fucking have kids.  It would be cheaper
 that way, too. I'm not cold-hearted, I just think that people need to
start
 thinking of how their actions will affect others.  Just because you want
to
 do the selfish thing and have kids to give you immortality doesn't mean
you
 should do it.  The path well-trodden is the path for fucking imbeciles!
 And yes, I really respect Darwin if you didn't catch that from the
content.

 P.S.  Send all mail regarding how much of an idiot you think i am to ME!
 If you don't, the bad Karma will eventually get back to you as it always
 does.  Thank you for your time.

 MO

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Date: Sun, 06 Jun 1999 18:51:23 PDT
From: A.M. <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) Re: mobility-digest V2 #5

>From: the happi monchichi <[e-mail]>

>  When you take your little bag of
> > aluminum cans to be recycled,
> > it doesn't do much.  'Recycle' is a grossly
> > overstated word. Many (ignorant)
> > people actually think that's all it takes!
>
>It's not "all it takes". It's not even a very good
>start. But it helps, and it's easy to do. And that it
>what most people in this fast food society want. EASY!
>so while i agree that it's not much. it still needs to
>be done by everyone. ALL THE TIME!!

I do not mean to say that it's not important.  I've talked to too many
people about this same topic (the pathetic state of planet earth) to which
they've responded, 'oh, I recycle.'  As if that's enough!  No, my point was
(and I should've stated clearly):  Please recycle.  Recycling is important.
But, don't stop there.  There's so much more to do.  For example, please
limit yourself to only one child when you & your chosen mate decide to
procreate.  Perhaps that's one of the best long-term gifts people can give
the world community.

Andrew


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Date: Sun, 6 Jun 1999 20:59:43 -0600
From: "krwilson" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) Zero population growth is already solved!

Sorry for sending this message twice, but it failed the first time and I
just copied it and forgot to change the header! The original header was
Mail delivery system: mail failed or something.  Not too interesting
sounding for Moby fans, huh?


  It's not a problem at all people!  guess what-you're forgetting something
  fundamental here, folks-MOTHER NATURE!  What do you think natural
  disasters are?  What do you think the black plague was?  what do you
think polio   was?  And what do you think AIDS is?  I'll tell you.  They
are all population
  control methods used by the earth itself.  whenever a species starts to
  dominate too much, mother nature steps in and kicks their ass a
little.(or
  more likely alot!)  AIDs is a very intelligent way to get rid of us, huh?

  The only way to be sure of avoiding it is to avoid sex, which in turn
  avoids pregnancy and kids.(Artificial insemination would be an effective
  weapon, i think)  By the time we figure AIDs out, we will have lost a
  boatload of people.  Maybe even two boatloads!  And then we'll slowly get
  bigger and bigger, and Good old mother nature will kick our ass a little
  more.  People always seem to underestimate the power of our own planet.
  It's true we could blow up the whole world with nukes, but it would have
to
  be a concentrated effort to do just that.  Anything less would just kill
  most life.  But give earth a few million years and you'll never know the
  difference.  New species will arrive and flourish, and some will get too
  tough for their own good and guess what-they'll get their asses kicked a
  little just like always.  Sometimes, though, a species gets too weak and
  gets annihilated(If i spelled that right I deserve a medal!)  If we push
  the envelope too long, mother nature might just decide to can us.  So,
  although I agree wholeheartedly with Zac, I disagree that zero population
  growth is a problem-or even an issue.  I think education and Families(the
  kind with TWO parents) are the biggest need right now.  Also- If both
  parents work, who's gonna raise the kid(s)?  The babysitter?  If I was
  raised by a babysitter 'cause my parents cared 'bout their careers more
  than rearing their own child, I'd hunt 'em down!  If both parents NEED
jobs
  to survive, maybe they shouldn't fucking have kids.  It would be cheaper
  that way, too. I'm not cold-hearted, I just think that people need to
start
  thinking of how their actions will affect others.  Just because you want
to
 do the selfish thing and have kids to give you immortality doesn't mean
you
 should do it.  The path well-trodden is the path for fucking imbeciles!

  And yes, I really respect Darwin if you didn't catch that from the
content.

  P.S.  Send all mail regarding how much of an idiot you think i am to ME!
 If you don't, the bad Karma will eventually get back to you as it always
 does.  Thank you for your time.

MO

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Date: Sun, 6 Jun 1999 23:44:36 -0500
From: forest j flodin <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) Zero population growth is already solved!

population growth is not a problem...th3e highest estimates for max pop
for the earth is somewhere around 50 billion people...but the quality of
life would be awful and noone would  raise chyildrin correctly and..it
would be a madhouse....doens't the future look rosy:)
peace and love
f
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Date: Mon, 07 Jun 1999 08:01:35 EDT
From: David J Bass <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) Steven

Hey Giles are you still out there?

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Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 14:39:04 +0200 (MET DST)
From: but not _the_ frankz <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) play: say 4

you wrote:
> It sicken me that our
>retaliation on Kosovo is being done under the banner
>of the United Nations.

this is unfortunately not the case,
it's USA and GB who accorded NATO to start that kosovo war,

Yugoslavia (read Serbia) just lost a court-case in the International Court
of Justice about this.

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and by the way, you folks dont live in a democracy anymore,
since less than 50% of the population went to vote,
this Mr. Clinton of yours is elected by the majority of 45 % of the
population, is 23% maximum.
This is called Oligarchy - only the ruling class has power,
the WHITE, well-Educated, people with MONEY

'democracy' pooh-hoo, just another of those words, that they misuse to make
us believe we are free..

music!

Kees.
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try to look smart:
www.looksmart.com

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Date: Mon, 7 Jun 1999 06:22:52 -0700 (PDT)
From: morag doodikins <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) PLAY:THE ESSAYS (a response)

..."by education and apreading our wealth fairly across the world we
could solve most of our prblems."
- -i can't tell you how much a disagree with this. i just spent a month
visiting comunities in africa and what we are doing over there is
truely f*cked up. We have to learn from places like these instead of
try so hard to develope them into modern societies. if we hadn't gone
into these countries years ago and inforce these things on them we
wouldn't need to be helping them today. i can't believe america is
actually trying to teach people about agriculture. yes we produce
massive amouts because we have tons of land, but our agriculture is
completely unsustainable...and what's worse is that these countries
look up to developed countries so much. we can't even figure out our
own environmental issues and we're not spreading education or wealth
around the worl we're spreading and multiplying our problems...i'll
stop now.
...after a week of writhing in jelousy i finally got the album. i've
been locked away at boarding school and it's been torture to hear
everyone talk about how good it is...but it is...so i gots to go and
listed some more...sweet dreams, *freyja*
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