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mobility-digest          Sunday, June 6 1999          Volume 02 : Number 004



(mobility) PLAY:ESSAY 5
(mobility) PLAY:ESSAY 4
RE: (mobility) play:lyrics/electronica/fat boy
Re: (mobility) PLAY:ESSAY 2
Re: (mobility) PLAY:THE ESSAYS (a response)
Re: (mobility) PLAY:THE ESSAYS (a response)
Re: (mobility) PLAY:THE ESSAYS (a response)
(mobility) Lurker in the open.... (long)
Re: (mobility) PLAY:THE ESSAYS (a response)
Re: (mobility) PLAY:THE ESSAYS (a response)

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Date: Sat, 5 Jun 1999 15:50:40 -0700 (PDT)
From: the happi monchichi <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) PLAY:ESSAY 5

I have'nt seen anyone post about the essays in Play
yet, so in my usual understated style, i'm going to go
for it. I will post each essay one at a time, followed
by a brief comment or opinion. I'd really like to hear
what others have to say/think about these essays. On
the whole, I think that they are actually much more
positive than past essays. There seems to be an
overlying theme of tolerance and acceptance for all,
and a much calmer more open Moby. Or maybe the words
just struck me as being more true than his previous
writings. I apologize for the size of the posts in
advance. Just delete them if your not interested.
Thanks. Well, here goes....

Essay 5-"Speaking of those who preach hate and
viloence, I need to say how absolutely horrified and
sickened I am by suppossed Christians who promote the
use of violence against abortion clinics, doctors, the
federal goverment, and anyone else who rubs them the
wrong way. As citizens of democratic nations we are
bound to revere and respect the democratic process.
This leaves no room for people who violently take the
law into there own hands. The very idea of Christians
of all people promoting violence towards anyone is
mindboggling. Some of the central tenets of the
teachings of Christ are nonjudgementalism,
non-violence, and humility. How can these people call
themselves Christians and at the same time call for
and celebrate brutal acts of violence? I love Christ,
but I'm utterly dismayed at the teachings and actions
of a lot of these supposed 'Christians.'

Hmmmmm...well, again, I am an athiest. I went to
church for 13 years. And a large part of the problem I
had with "church" is that it has become a buisness. Or
a political platform. Very little of it seemed to have
to do with the actual teachings of God and Christ. Let
me say real quick that I don't claim to be highly
educated in the word of the Lord. So please don't take
anything I say to offensively. It is just an opinion.
But it seems to me that Christianity(and many other
religious movements)have had many run ins with
violence. Anybody remember reading about the Crusades
in high school? So anyway, as a human being I totally
agree with what Moby is saying here. 100%. But it goes
beyond being a Christian, or a religious person.
Viloence begets violence! And there is always a better
way to get your point accross than by doing physical
damage to a person or there property. Even vocally,
most people are much more likely to listen to a calm
rational person than to someone who is screaming at
them while waving a sign in there face. So thank you
Moby for putting forth such a strong statement. There
are not a lot of artists, Christian or not, who would
have the guts to be so outspoken on as many issues as
you have over the years. It is appreciated(by me
atleast^_^).

PS-And I was'nt going to post this, but I HAVE
recently started reading the bible agian. So any of
you out there that have something to say about
religion or spirituality(which is much more where I'm
at)please write me privately. I am very interested.




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Date: Sat, 5 Jun 1999 15:55:47 -0700 (PDT)
From: the happi monchichi <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) PLAY:ESSAY 4

I have'nt seen anyone post about the essays in Play
yet, so in my usual understated style, i'm going to go
for it. I will post each essay one at a time, followed
by a brief comment or opinion. I'd really like to hear
what others have to say/think about these essays. On
the whole, I think that they are actually much more
positive than past essays. There seems to be an
overlying theme of tolerance and acceptance for all,
and a much calmer more open Moby. Or maybe the words
just struck me as being more true than his previous
writings. I apologize for the size of the posts in
advance. Just delete them if your not interested.
Thanks. Well, here goes....

Essay 4-"I just went to the Museum of Jewish Heritage
and the Holocaust in Manhattan and it was driven home
that to me that almost all of the state sponsored
atrocities of the 20th century occured with either the
complicity and/or awareness of the worlds goverments.
Before and during World War II the Allied goverments
toghtened quotas on Jewish immagration, thus leaving
most of the Jews in western and eastern Europe with
nowhere to go. Whenever we're aware of a despotic
regime victimizing a segment of it's population, we
are all to some extent responsible. We've known about
attrocities as they where being carried out and done
little or noithing to intervene. As compasionate
citizens we need to be adamantly intolerant of regimes
that openly and intentionally victimize segments of
there populations. Institutional racism, prejudice,
homophobia, antisemitism and hate of any kind, are, at
the risk of sounding absolutist, always intolerable.
And we need to make sure that our elected
representatives do their utmost to make the world an
unsafe place for desposts, demagogues, and all those
officials who preach and carry out hate and violence."

VOTE DAMN IT!! It's a right that most of us in free
democratic countrie's take for granted(especially the
U.S.). The importance of knowing your legislative
representatives(wether you voted them into office or
not)and there politics cannot be overstated! On the
local, state, and federal level, these people make
decisions FOR YOU! Wether they know how you as an
individual feel or not. So let them know how you
feel..about everything! It sicken me that our
retaliation on Kosovo is being done under the banner
of the United Nations. All that really means is that a
bunch of appointed or elected officials sat around and
decided that the best way to stop one side from
killing the other side.....is to kill somemore!! I
beong to human race, and as a human I think it's
INHUMANE to use violence to stop violence. It will
just breed more violence. As a supposed "enlightened"
society one would think that we would have found
better ways to solve our problems by now.

I'm not Jewish. And "my people" have never been openly
persecuted and slaughtered just for being people. And
even though I think that all the Jewish people went
through was intolerably wrong, I still find myself
wondering when the wounds will begin to heal. I don't
think that what happened should ever be forgoten, but
I know more now about the holocasut then I ever
learned in school. Don't know what I'm getting at
here....just a thought.

despot- a ruler with absolute power and authority b :
a person exercising power tyrannically


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Date: Sat, 5 Jun 1999 19:06:20 -0500
From: John Turpin <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (mobility) play:lyrics/electronica/fat boy

>Also I
>don't know how the rest of you interpret "Natural Blues", but to me it
>almost seems to be questioning god.  Sort of in the spirit of "Blasphemous
>Rumors" (Depeche Mode) or "Dear God" (XTC).  The "if god is so good why do
>all these terrible things happen all around us every day?" mentality
>(cringe).  I'd just be interested to hear if anyone turned this into a
>positive song in their mind, somehow. Perhaps its just my opinions getting
>in the way....

Actually, the Bible itself asks a lot of questions like this: Lamentations,
Job, a lot of the Psalms... A perfectly natural reaction that humans have
when s*** happens.

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"I believe in this reality / But it doesn't answer what it means to me
 My hope is / Above and beyond" -- Mortal, "Above & Beyond"

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Date: Sat, 5 Jun 1999 19:29:00 -0500
From: John Turpin <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) PLAY:ESSAY 2

>Although we may find
>suicide, drug use, abortion, self-mutilation, etc,
>abhorrent, we cannot as an enlightened society make
>criminals of people that want to do things to
>themselves, so long as there actions don't compromise
>our rights.

Ironic that Moby defines abortion as an action taken towards oneself, not
affecting the lives or rights of others. He says in his essay on veganism:

>2) Animals are sentient creatures with [their]
>own wills, and it seems wrong to force our will onto
>another creature just becasue we are able.

Interesting.

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 The C.O.D.   /   John Turpin   /   <http://www2.msstate.edu/~jct1/cod/>
"I believe in this reality / But it doesn't answer what it means to me
 My hope is / Above and beyond" -- Mortal, "Above & Beyond"

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Date: Sat, 5 Jun 1999 20:41:12 -0500 (CDT)
From: theShackofXaq <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) PLAY:THE ESSAYS (a response)

what *I* think everyone needs to do is get educated. there is a terrible
trend in america today where education is looked down upon as being
"stupid," if you can believe that! the ONLY way you can make safe and
positive decisions about your life and the world around you is to
UNDERSTAND! how can you vote when you know nothing about the people
involved, or even the issues that they stand behind? how can you say
various diets are good or bad if you just take someone's word for it.
it's very nice to say that you shed a tear everytime you drive your car,
but does that really make any difference?
now, believe me, i do all sorts of terrible things to the earth every
day. i also wish i could stop, but i won't. none of us can not hurt
others. what i think we need to do is start educating ourselves and begin
to find LONG TERM ways of reversing our LONG TERM distruction. that
things that really matter won't take effect for over a hundred years or
more. THAT'S way nothing gets done. people in positions of power don't
want to begin projects that will extend beyond their term in office.

if i had to choose one thing that i feel would actually make a change in
my lifetime, it would be zero population growth. i feel it is the single
most important factor in our planet's exponential demise. of course, it's
also the most difficult to instigate. who has the right to tell someone
else to never have children, not even ONE? again, all we can do is
educate ourselves and hope that slowly, large numbers of people will also
come to this realization.

ofcouse there are many other things that are almost equally important, but
i think this has the most pressing need. to be totally and brutally
honest, i feel that there are around 5 to 5.5 billion too many humans on
the earth today. the growth rate is around 250,000 people A DAY!!! that's
AFTER you factor in all the deaths! this problem goes beyond any
religion, any belief system, any culture. this is EVERYONE'S problem.

so, it's nice to see people eating let animal matter, riding bikes or
walking, recycling (but how much REALLY goes to the recycling places...)
and voting, but it all means nothing if we continue to pollute the earth
with HUMANS. and pretty ignorant ones at that.

so go out and LEARN! when you talk to people in power, QUESTION THEM! ask
really tough and thoughtfull guestions and see what they know. don't back
down or let youself be pushed down. show the world how little it knows
about itself and it's place in the universe, how silly we are to
think we know, and much we have to learn

ps. watch and more importantly READ carl sagan's "cosmos." if you do, i
assure you it will change your life and your outlook on it. he, in my very
limited opinion, was the most brilliant, thoughtfull, and compassionate
man of our time. if you need any information about the videos or the
book, i work at a two different libraries and would be happy to help you out.

pss. sorry for the bad spelling. i'm a victim of the spell checker, and i
don't have one at the moment.

[xaq]
"i think a lot, but it never helps me, so i stop.
            but i really enjoy thinking."
              Masafumi Sanai-photographer

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Date: Sat, 5 Jun 1999 22:09:59 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (mobility) PLAY:THE ESSAYS (a response)

In a message dated 6/5/99 6:42:07 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [e-mail]
writes:

> if i had to choose one thing that i feel would actually make a change in
>  my lifetime, it would be zero population growth. i feel it is the single
>  most important factor in our planet's exponential demise. of course, it's
>  also the most difficult to instigate. who has the right to tell someone
>  else to never have children, not even ONE? again, all we can do is
>  educate ourselves and hope that slowly, large numbers of people will also
>  come to this realization.

problem..we were made to create...it is virtually impossible....now, it is
possible for people to become educated and prevent "accidental" births from
happening..using condoms, abstinence and such..how much this world's
population is a result of careless sex...the zero population idea is wishful
thinking and to me seems quite unfair ( my opinion)...we do need to learn and
to apply what we learn...peace..elie

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Date: Sat, 5 Jun 1999 21:27:28 -0500
From: "Daniel Orion Davis" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) PLAY:THE ESSAYS (a response)

>
> > if i had to choose one thing that i feel would actually make a change in
> >  my lifetime, it would be zero population growth. i feel it is the
single
> >  most important factor in our planet's exponential demise. of course,
it's
> >  also the most difficult to instigate. who has the right to tell someone
> >  else to never have children, not even ONE? again, all we can do is
> >  educate ourselves and hope that slowly, large numbers of people will
also
> >  come to this realization.
>
> problem..we were made to create...it is virtually impossible....now, it is
> possible for people to become educated and prevent "accidental" births
from
> happening..using condoms, abstinence and such..how much this world's
> population is a result of careless sex...the zero population idea is
wishful
> thinking and to me seems quite unfair ( my opinion)...we do need to learn
and
> to apply what we learn...peace..elie
>


You're right that zero-population growth is wishful thinking...however
over-population IS the biggest problem facing our society...Sound like an
exaggeration?  Well try to think of a social problem that doesn't stem from
and is not worsened by overpopulation.  However, if any of you haveve done
much study of ecology and population growth, you've probably seen the model
of population growth.  There's nothing about our over-population that is
radically different than any other species population.  You rise way past
the point that your environment can support you, then you crash to less than
half of your peak population.  So my point (long and meandering though it
may be) is that as unrealistic and unfair as zero-population growth may
sound, compare it to the coming environmental collaps that will handle
over-population for us...

Buckoe

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Date: Sat, 05 Jun 1999 19:49:03 PDT
From: Hans Lauring <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) Lurker in the open.... (long)

Hi guys

I've been on this list for a fortnight now, and I think its time to
introduce myself.

I'm 28 I go to a school of journalism and live in Denmark. I've written for
a magazine and done some radio, which have aloved me to go to a lot of good
concerts and interview interesting people.
I first heard (about) Moby at a festival around the time when 'move' was
new. Absolutely brilliant!!! I started buying whatever I could lay my hands
on and played Moby A LOT on the radio.
Some years later I dragged some people from the radio to a show at the same
festival (Roskilde). They expected "dance"Moby. He performed to old songs
'everytime you touch me' and one other, kicked his "drums" over the edge of
the stage and picked up a guitar. I was forewarned, but my friends, who
hadn┤t really listened to the new album 'Animal Rights' were in shock.
The third time I heard him was last summer. A good concert. Lots of old and
some new - and a crazy percussionist named Pablo. The show ended with '1000'
and Moby standing, arms outstreched, on top of his keyboard - if it wasn't
because I heard Kraftwerk that same summer, this would have been the years
best concert.
After the concert I did a short interview for the radio. Moby didn't really
say anything people on this list haven't heard before (I didn't ask the
right questions?), but it was a GREAT thril to meet the man. He is a very
down to earth, laid back, gentle and pleasant guy - and as you know he's got
some interesting views on a lot of things. Did you know that Mobys favorite
films of '98 were Starship Troopers and Gummo (a thread on Mobys broad view
on films perhaps?)
Anyway, I like all kinds of music, but apart from The Art of Noise, Depeche
Mode and Kraftwerk, Moby is probably the one artist I own most CDs/albums
of.

well, back to lurking...

Hans


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Date: Mon, 07 Jun 1999 16:26:10 +0900
From: AJ Brustein <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) PLAY:THE ESSAYS (a response)

There don't seem to have a problem with zero population growth over here in
Japan. In fact, it is negative I think. They are incouraging people to have
babies. And it is not exactly 3rd world here where they are running out of
resources. And as far as over population for the rest of the world - that
isn't exactly a problem for North America either. Most if not all over
population is in the 3rd world countries, not places where anyone on this list
lives. I'm sure I will sound like a dick, but, it's my opinion that these
countries should be taken over and laws should be put on having children. I
don't know what purpose these people are serving to the good of the planet
except keeping a few over the hill TV personalities with jobs fund raising.
Overpopulation in a place that can't even handle half of the current
population makes little sense to me. Sam Kenison may have been a drug selling
idiot, but he was funny and smart sometimes. To these people he said:
"You live in a fucking desert! Get your shit, we'll make one trip  and we'll
take you to where the food is! We have Deserts in America, we're just not
stupid enough to live in them; Assholes!" (or something like that).

Anyway, as if anyone cared, I saw Bodyrock listed on eBay, so I guess it is
coming out soon right? No one answered my question last time. Later.
AJ

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Date: Sun, 6 Jun 1999 04:24:12 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (mobility) PLAY:THE ESSAYS (a response)

This talk of overpopulation/impending population crash was first explored by
the economist Thomas Malthus I believe. Overpopulation in any species is
natural; as such, nature deals with it through survival of the fittest
(Darwinian concept), adaptations, biological and physical changes in the
world.

The human race is no exception. Zero-population is next to impossible to
achieve, and it connotes rather disturbing scenarios (racial and ethnic
cleansing being the primary one that comes to mind). To more adequately stem
the high birth rates throughout the world, industrial powers must assist
third world nations. They can provide such countries with better educational
and economic opportunities. For example, international medical associations
like the Red Cross can promote the use of birth control and provide people
with sexual education. Industrial powers can develop better trade policies
with third world nations, policies geared toward the betterment of nations'
infrastructures (similar to the Marshall Plan post WWII). With increased
economic opportunities, people may have the money and opportunity to seek out
education and provide for their families. More educated and economically
secure individuals tend to have smaller families.

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