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From: owner-mobility-digest@lists.xmission.com (mobility-digest) To: mobility-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: mobility-digest V2 #3 Reply-To: mobility Sender: owner-mobility-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-mobility-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes mobility-digest Saturday, June 5 1999 Volume 02 : Number 003 Re: (mobility) stuff! (mobility) PLAY:THE ESSAYS (mobility) PLAY:ESSAY 1 (mobility) PLAY:ESSAY 2 (mobility) PLAY:ESSAY 3 (mobility) PLAY:ESSAY 4 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 5 Jun 1999 14:24:16 -0700 (PDT) From: the happi monchichi <cerebusluvsjaka@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: (mobility) stuff! Paul Simpson(?)wrote: Moby plays the Spoonie Gee sample like he's sort of sayingg "Rock The House"? If you listen to it, it sort of sounds like that... Maybe thats a shoutout to his old fans, whove supported him from the beginning! and all the new fans wont get it! In my opinion. A lot of Play sounds like the older stuff. The way the vocals are looped thru wholes songs. And I did catch the Rock The House too! Has anyone ever figured out why the split honey/run on single lists memory gospel as being 9:03 long but only plays(heehee) 6:42. Is there a 9:03 version out there somwhere? plur-christian _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Jun 1999 15:48:58 -0700 (PDT) From: the happi monchichi <cerebusluvsjaka@yahoo.com> Subject: (mobility) PLAY:THE ESSAYS OK! So please send all hate mail to me privatley at.. cerebusluvsjaka@yahoo.com I actually worked really hard on this and hope that some of you on the list have something to say. These are just my opinions, the same as the essays are Mobys' opinions. I know that there are many intellegent people out there reading these postings, I hear you speaking everyday! But all I hear you speak about is the music. The notes. The samples. The beats. I would really like to know what you have to say about Moby's words. As I feel that they are equally important. Even thought I LOOOOOVE the music!! k' Bye. plur-christian _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Jun 1999 15:53:39 -0700 (PDT) From: the happi monchichi <cerebusluvsjaka@yahoo.com> Subject: (mobility) PLAY:ESSAY 1 I have'nt seen anyone post about the essays in Play yet, so in my usual understated style, i'm going to go for it. I will post each essay one at a time, followed by a brief comment or opinion. I'd really like to hear what others have to say/think about these essays. On the whole, I think that they are actually much more positive than past essays. There seems to be an overlying theme of tolerance and acceptance for all, and a much calmer more open Moby. Or maybe the words just struck me as being more true than his previous writings. I apologize for the size of the posts in advance. Just delete them if your not interested. Thanks. Well, here goes.... 1-"Fundamentalism(of any kind)troubles me. The world is too big and too intricate to conform to our ideas of what it should be like. In my experience i've found that most fundamentalists aren't so much attached to there professed ideologies as they are to the way in which these ideologies try to make sense of a confusing world. But the world is confusing, and just because we invent myths and theories to explain away the choas we're still going to live in a world that's older and more complicated than we'll ever understand. So many religious and political and scientific and social systems fail in that they try to impose a rigid structure onto what is an inherently ambiguous world. I'm not suggesting that we stop trying to understand things. Trying to understand the world can be fun and, at times, helpful. But if we base our belief systems on the humble assumption that the complexities of the world are ontologically beyond our understanding, then maybe our belief systems will make more sense and end up causing less suffering." I think this was the perfect essay to start with. Covers a bigger picture than the others. For the most part, I agree with what Moby is saying here. Depending on your own personal beliefs, the world was here before we arrived, and will be here when where gone. On top of that, we are far, FAR from understanding this very intricate planet. Species become extinct faster than we can count and human life is continously taken as easily as those of the animals we slaughter so thoughtlessly. We continue to breed as if we have infinite space to live...and we don't. So we send probes to Mars instead of exploring the waters of our own planet, which we are destroying at an unrecoverable rate. The worlds goverments are still so distrustful that they feel the need to spy on each other. And "holy wars" break out all over the planet whenever any slightly over zealous leader get's it in there head that "there god" or "there race" is better than yours. So all "belief systems" aside, should'nt we, as a species try to put these things aside and just live. Just be. Exist in the harmony that is available to us if we could just embrace each other as human beings. Put aside the racial, religious, sexual, geographic and any other difference you can think of and just live... I mean, how much time do we really have left on this rock? A short funny:At the beginning of this essay, where it says "The world is too big..", the first two times I read that I thought it said the WORD is too big. Relating to fundamentalism...made me laugh! Ontology-a branch of metaphysics concerned with the nature and relations of being. Or- a particular theory about the nature of being or the kinds of existents. Ontologically-relating to or based upon being or existence. _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Jun 1999 15:54:31 -0700 (PDT) From: the happi monchichi <cerebusluvsjaka@yahoo.com> Subject: (mobility) PLAY:ESSAY 2 I have'nt seen anyone post about the essays in Play yet, so in my usual understated style, i'm going to go for it. I will post each essay one at a time, followed by a brief comment or opinion. I'd really like to hear what others have to say/think about these essays. On the whole, I think that they are actually much more positive than past essays. There seems to be an overlying theme of tolerance and acceptance for all, and a much calmer more open Moby. Or maybe the words just struck me as being more true than his previous writings. I apologize for the size of the posts in advance. Just delete them if your not interested. Thanks. Well, here goes.... Essay 2-"It horrifies me that we allow prisoners to be treated so poorly. If someone is found guilty of committing a crime then we as a society have given ourselves the right to punish them by locking them up. But we also acknowledge that even someone convicted of committing a crime retains some basic civil rights. Unfortunately our prisons(especially here in the U.S.)are places where peoples basic rights are trampled on pretty much as a matter of course. Prisoners should'nt have to fear rape, abuse & murder while there incarcerated. A civilized nation shpuld concern itself with with protecting and maintaining the rights of all it's citizens, be they prisoners or not. A prisoner should be able to pay there debt to society with ample, constitutionally guaranteed, protection from harm. And while I'm getting worked up about the rights of prisoners, let me take a minute to point out the utter absurdity of consensual crimes in a supposedly free society. How can we justify locking people up for committing actions that have no demostrable repercussions to anyone else? If someone's actions compromise the rights or will of another idividual, then fine, punish them. But if someone's actions don't affect anyone other than the person committing the actions, then what buisness is it of the state's? I'm specifically referring to drug use. I don't use drugs, and I think that drugs can be terrribly destructive and dangerous, but I don't see how the state can arrest an adult for doing something to there own body. An enlightened state should warn it's citizens about dangerous activities, but it should'nt be allowed to lock people up for doing things to themselves. I do not want any goverment making decisions regarding what I can put in to or do to my body. An individual's own body is not the jurisdiction of the state. Although we may find suicide, drug use, abortion, self-mutilation, etc, abhorrent, we cannot as an enlightened society make criminals of people that want to do things to themselves, so long as there actions don't compromise our rights. Because we find something distasteful is not justification enough for us to deem it criminal." Well! This one caught me off gaurd! First, are we an enlightened society? I don't think so. Partially...maybe! And many people that believe themselves to be enlightened are simply deluded... So I just wrote a long rambling statement about this and then deleted it. The short version is that prison reform and a strong rewriting of our mandatory minumum drug laws should be as high a priority as we can make it. But unfortunately, I don't believe this will happen until the entire current generation of lawmakers and politicians has died or been voted out of office. When our generation has truly taken over, maybe then we can bring about some strong social and political change. Also, I personally don't care what happens to the rapist,child molester, murderer while there incarcerated. That may be a shitty attitude, but really, should I give a shit about the guy that raped the ten year old down the street? I guess I just don't have that much compasion. Maybe we should have multiple levels of imprisonment. Maybe...but it certainly would'nt do anything to solve the problem of our already overcrowded prisons. Lastly..it's good to hear that Moby has such on open minded view on drug use considering he is oppossed to it. I have been a deadhead for about 12 years and have several friends who have been imprisoned or are still in prison, while rapists,child molesters & murderers are released everyday. Most of these people where jailed not for using drugs, but for selling, manufacturing or buying them. And there lies the real problem/question? How can drug usage ever be legal when all the other aspects surrounding it are illegal? I would love for marijuana to be legal and it growing subsidised by the goverment. It has so many positive uses...clothing, fuel, food. It produces twice the oxygen of most trees and plants. It's easy to grow. It would help save the dying american farm industry. The money the goverment could make by taxing it's growth and sale would pay for every other drug prevention program they are currently running. At the very least it should be legal for cancer patients. Now those are all really noble ideas, and i believe in them whole heartedly...but really, it would just be nice to go to the store and buy a joint!! That is why I believe the the decriminalization of illicit substances will never happen...atleast not any time soon. Sorry for the length of that one! _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Jun 1999 15:54:43 -0700 (PDT) From: the happi monchichi <cerebusluvsjaka@yahoo.com> Subject: (mobility) PLAY:ESSAY 3 I have'nt seen anyone post about the essays in Play yet, so in my usual understated style, i'm going to go for it. I will post each essay one at a time, followed by a brief comment or opinion. I'd really like to hear what others have to say/think about these essays. On the whole, I think that they are actually much more positive than past essays. There seems to be an overlying theme of tolerance and acceptance for all, and a much calmer more open Moby. Or maybe the words just struck me as being more true than his previous writings. I apologize for the size of the posts in advance. Just delete them if your not interested. Thanks. Well, here goes.... Essay 3-"Oftentimes when I meet somone they ask why I'm a vegan(a vegan is someone who niether eats, wears, or uses animal products). Before I list the reasons why I've chosen to be a vegan let me say that I don't jusdge people who choose to eat meat. People make different choices for different reasons, and it is not my place to judge the choices that other people make. Just being alive is inevitably going to cause suffering. But anyway, here's why I'm a vegan. 1)I love animals, and I believe that a vegan diet causes less suffering than a diet centered around animal products. 2) Animals are sentient creatures with there own wills, and it seems wrong to force our will onto another creature just becasue we are able. 3)A great deal of medical evidence points to the fact that a diet centered around animal products is terrible for you. Animal product based diets have been repeatedly proven to cause and exacerbate cancer, heart disease, obesity, impotence, diabetes,etc. 4)A vegan diet is materially more efficient than an animal product based diet. By that I mean that you can feed lot's more people with grain directly than by feeding that grain to a cow and then killing the cow. In a world where people are starving it seems criminal to fatten up cows with grain that could be keeping people alive. 5)The raising of farm animals is environmentally disastrous. All of the waste from animal farming gets washed into our water supply, poisoning our drinking water and fouling our lakes, streams, and oceans. 6) Vegan food is nice to look at. Compare a plate with grains and fruits and vegetables to a plate with pigs' intestines, chicken legs, and chopped up cows' muscles. So that's pretty much why I'm a vegan. If for some reason you ever decide to become a vegetarian or a vegan, please do so carefully. Most of our conventional diets are so meat and animal product based that when we give up meat we don't know what to replace it with. Although a vegetarian or vegan diet is a million times healthier than a carnivorous diet, making the transition away from animals needs to be done wisely. Most health food stores and bookstores have good books that can help you make the transition from an animal product based diet to a vegatarian or vegan diet. Nicely said! There are many many more reasons to become a vegan or vegi, and you'll hear just as many responses as to why all those reasons are wrong. It's a very biased topic, with every one believing that there view is the correct one. I will keep my opinion to myself and simply say that I was a vegan, and am now(again)a vegi, mostly for health reasons. I would like to thank Moby for offering his views yet still warning people who are interested to become educated and do it safely. I would however like to comment on the statement,"Just being alive is inevitably going to casue suffering." Uhhh...wow! Can you say, depressing. But it is still something that I think about almost everyday! When driving my car. Or getting gas for my car. Or putting something in the garbage(I do recycle EVERYTHING that I can). Or buying clothes(where did they com from? Who made them?). And a hundred other things that we do everyday and think very little about. Even something so simple as washing a dish! The water has to drain somewhere, and soap of any kind is not good for aquatic life of any kind! So really this comes back to the point of living TOGETHER. Trying to work TOGETHER with other people to find a solution to some of the problems that are quickly(in a history of the universe sense of time-depending on your beliefs^_^)destroying our planet. Most importantly though, we MUST learn to tolerate on anothers differences on an idividual AND global level. _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Jun 1999 15:48:59 -0700 (PDT) From: the happi monchichi <cerebusluvsjaka@yahoo.com> Subject: (mobility) PLAY:ESSAY 4 I have'nt seen anyone post about the essays in Play yet, so in my usual understated style, i'm going to go for it. I will post each essay one at a time, followed by a brief comment or opinion. I'd really like to hear what others have to say/think about these essays. On the whole, I think that they are actually much more positive than past essays. There seems to be an overlying theme of tolerance and acceptance for all, and a much calmer more open Moby. Or maybe the words just struck me as being more true than his previous writings. I apologize for the size of the posts in advance. Just delete them if your not interested. Thanks. Well, here goes.... Essay 4-"I just went to the Museum of Jewish Heritage and the Holocaust in Manhattan and it was driven home that to me that almost all of the state sponsored atrocities of the 20th century occured with either the complicity and/or awareness of the worlds goverments. Before and during World War II the Allied goverments toghtened quotas on Jewish immagration, thus leaving most of the Jews in western and eastern Europe with nowhere to go. Whenever we're aware of a despotic regime victimizing a segment of it's population, we are all to some extent responsible. We've known about attrocities as they where being carried out and done little or noithing to intervene. As compasionate citizens we need to be adamantly intolerant of regimes that openly and intentionally victimize segments of there populations. Institutional racism, prejudice, homophobia, antisemitism and hate of any kind, are, at the risk of sounding absolutist, always intolerable. And we need to make sure that our elected representatives do their utmost to make the world an unsafe place for desposts, demagogues, and all those officials who preach and carry out hate and violence." VOTE DAMN IT!! It's a right that most of us in free democratic countrie's take for granted(especially the U.S.). The importance of knowing your legislative representatives(wether you voted them into office or not)and there politics cannot be overstated! On the local, state, and federal level, these people make decisions FOR YOU! Wether they know how you as an individual feel or not. So let them know how you feel..about everything! It sicken me that our retaliation on Kosovo is being done under the banner of the United Nations. All that really means is that a bunch of appointed or elected officials sat around and decided that the best way to stop one side from killing the other side.....is to kill somemore!! I beong to human race, and as a human I think it's INHUMANE to use violence to stop violence. It will just breed more violence. As a supposed "enlightened" society one would think that we would have found better ways to solve our problems by now. I'm not Jewish. And "my people" have never been openly persecuted and slaughtered just for being people. And even though I think that all the Jewish people went through was intolerably wrong, I still find myself wondering when the wounds will begin to heal. I don't think that what happened should ever be forgoten, but I know more now about the holocasut then I ever learned in school. Don't know what I'm getting at here....just a thought. despot- a ruler with absolute power and authority b : a person exercising power tyrannically _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ End of mobility-digest V2 #3 **************************** ------------- To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to majordomo@xmission.com with the line "unsubscribe mobility-digest" in the body.