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mobility-digest          Friday, May 21 1999          Volume 01 : Number 409



Re: (mobility) Gwen & other stuff
(mobility) Machete
Re: Re:(mobility)'gwen'
RE: Re:(mobility)'gwen'
(mobility) off topic
RE: (mobility) off topic
(mobility) off-topic
(mobility) The Big Group Hug
(mobility) Gwen, other stuff

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Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 09:55:36 PDT
From: "Steve Giles" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) Gwen & other stuff

I saw the Big Daddy trailer last night w/ God Moving.. at the beginning of
it. I was already very excitable, so it was fun to hear that
not-quite-a-surprise! Sounds good in the theater, too.

Matthino, I think a good idea for your Moby page would be a section for fan
stories. We could have people submit stories about good times they had w/
his music, how they discovered him, when they saw him live, met him, etc. I
know Damian has a profiles page for mobility members, but maybe a bigger
Moby Fan Database could be done, with pictures and short bios or something.
What do you think?

I was hyper and jumpy late Wednesday night but needed to get to sleep for
work the next morning so I put on Underwater. I figeted, tossed, & turned
until I was comforatable enought to intake the music. It eventually calmed
me and relaxed me. I felt floaty, even. I drifted off into sleep around
Underwater Part 4, I think.

My favorite Into The Blue, mix, eh? I absolutely love both the Simple &
Spriritual mixes. They are divine.

>From: "K Bergstrom" <[e-mail]>

>how many little girls did i see running around wearing
>revealing tank tops after no doubt broke thru on mtv/much music?  >granted,
>the spice girls are equally responsible for 8 year olds dressing like
>they're 18,

Assuming that your moral structure / social opinion are universal, (which
they aren't) and that revealing tank tops are bad things, it's still not
Gwen's fault. It is the nature of people to imitate their idols. As was
pointed out, Doom & KMFDM are not to blame for Littleton. If it wasn't tank
tops the girls took to, it would've been something else. Are you sure it's
Gwen & the tank tops you hate, or is it really the girls wearing them that
bother you? A little associative anger, perhaps?

>then again, im just a
>chick.  my opinions don't really count, do they? it seems to be that >a
>girl
>has to be "hot" to get any respect around here... or anywhere for >that
>matter...

We all have issues, Kelley. Read what you wrote above and ask yourself why
you're on this list. Save your venom. The 200 subscribers who received that
didn't deserve it.

>flame away if you feel like it.  if im not a nice crispy outside
>with a still slightly tender inside by this time tomorrow, i'll be very
>disapointed in you all ;)

I really enjoy being on this list. It's sad when somebody FEELS it's her
prerogative to carelessly and intentionally start a flame war that will
pollute this list with garbage. Then to point a finger at somebody else to
behave and keep their garbage off-list. You'll find that you'll resolve your
problems by communicating and trying to find things in common, not by
brutally creating barriers and differences between us. If you stop and try
to be positive, you'll find that you're not the casualty of great injustice
that you think you are. Life IS good.

Are you a Christian, Kelley? What if, instead of trying to show people the
right way, Jesus just went around saying "Stop that! Stop! Bad! Bad!" He
wouldn't have accomplished anything. (I'm agnostic, for the record) Ditch
the negativity.

>has to be "hot" to get any respect around here... or anywhere for

Like this. Where did this come from? Are you really that maligned? For
instance, Gwen Stefani has earned respect, and it's not because of her
looks. She is a successful musician.  Looks alone will accomplish little or
nothing. It is commitment to an ideal or goal that will earn a person
respect. Ease up, Kelley, we're here to enjoy each other's company. Don't
pretend to be an outraged victim or a Machiavellian manipulator making
people react as it pleases you. It won't make you any friends, which is what
(I assume) everybody wants to be and have.

- -Steve

"Fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, hate leads to suffering!"
- -Master Yoda

now playing in my head: Mickey Mouse "Splashdance"


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Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 13:06:33 -0400
From: Jonathan Ruano <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) Machete

The CD havent reached my city (yet!), and I only can listen to the little
snippets in CdNow and re-read tracks's names.

> Bond Theme. But anyway, as my interest is deteriorating for the song, I am
> getting to love track 9, Machete. Kind of the most AR track of them all on
> Play, but very good.
First, it was Novio (I read it as a Spanish word) and now, Machete. I'd like
to know if it has something to do with the Spanish meaning for that.

For those (I'd say most ) of you that dont speak (barely) a word in Spanish,
I'll tell you that 'machete' can be a diminutive form of 'Macho' (you know
what 'macho-man' is, right?), but I'd bet that's a knife like those used
in the Army.

And this is the "stupid" fact of today :)

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Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 10:11:40 -0600
From: Chris <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Re:(mobility)'gwen'

if God is all powerful, can he create a rock big enough that even he can't
lift it?  ponder that for a moment....


Chris Perkins        It's nice to be important,
[e-mail]        but it's more important to be nice.

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Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 12:18:58 -0500
From: Chris Kloehr <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: Re:(mobility)'gwen'

> if God is all powerful, can he create a rock big enough that even he can't
> lift it?  ponder that for a moment....
>
    [Chris Kloehr]  Should he be tested?  I think not....

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Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 15:57:41 -0400
From: [e-mail]
Subject: (mobility) off topic

<FEMINISM-ADVOCACY
<OF THE POLITICAL AND SOCIOECONOMIC EQUALITY OF MEN AND
<WOMEN. no where, and i repeat NO WHERE does it say
<that because your a "chick" that it gives you the
>right to maliciously attack people for making simple
>comments in an open forum.

You imply that she has no right to maliciously attack people for making
comments in an open forum because Kelly IS a chick!  YOU are even more
malicious with your statements directly insulting Kelly and in a much
more personal attack.  Get your 15 year old raging hormones under
control and get it through your head that this is not a list to flame
people's personal opinions on music!!!!!!!!  You started this whole
thing and shaped into an attack on someone directly on the list.  If
Kelly doesn't like no doubt that is not an attack on you because you do!

>because a couple of people, myself NOT being one of them, comment on <how they think gwen is "hot"-it does not make them a
<chauvinist or a pig or anything else, except human.

Forgive me for asking, but where in her message did Kelly call anyone a
chauvinist or pig or imply that they weren't human?  Is it a crime that
she doesn't like it when men comment on women's looks?  I think you are
assuming this yourself as that is the common stereotypical view of how
feminists feel towards men... which is largely untrue!!!  I am female as
well, and dislike guys always judging girls by their looks - which is
constantly happening around me.

<and if you have such a problem with it then go out and do something
<constructive, rather then passing your negativity on
<to someone who's never done you harm and never would.

Since you don't know Kelly, how can you know that she's NOT doing
anything constructive???

>oh! and since gwen is'nt on the list and i don't have
>a friggin clue what you look like, what the hell does
>you being "hot" have to do with it?!?!? i could care
>less what you look like-if you've got something good
>to say-I WILL listen.

Did Kelly mention anywhere about how SHE looks?  It seems you've been
listening a little TOO HARD to her thus far, and reading BETWEEN THE
LINES a lot!  In the future try to read over what she is saying a little
more carefully so that you fully understand what she is saying before
you flame her.  It will save us all the trouble of reading your 6 page
manifestos....

<so...as far as "but no respect goes out to anyone who
<will change their beliefs just cuz moby said so.  that
<is sooo not cool in my books."
<goes...i could care less!!

THEN DON"T WRITE ABOUT IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!

<i did'nt ask for, don't want and don't need
<YOUR respect. i have enough self respect to take care
<of that..maybe something you need a little help with.

If she's standing up for her beliefs than she obviously DOES respect
herself!
WE DON'T CARE IF YOU DON'T NEED KELLY"S RESPECT!

<and your opinion as to whether or not i'm cool means
<about as much as the dog crap i scraped off my shoe
<and flung aside last night.....nothing!!

Ewwwwwww...  or was that something that came out of your dirty mouth
that you stepped on! I hope you didn't use your bare hands for scraping
it off anyhow...
You should watch where you step, as well as what you say...

>>gahhh!! you:"now that i got that out....
>>im normally not such a spaz.  but people tend to do
>>this to me! i am a product of my environment!!!"
>people?! PEOPLE!?!? you mean the people that you will
>have to be dealing with for the rest of your life if
>you ever leave the house? those people? the people you
>have to go to school with-work with-stand in line at
>the grocery store with? are those the people your
>refering to?!?

Anyone can see that kelly only means "some" people.. she did not say
"EVERYONE"  or "SOCIETY".... and you have the exact same problem..
"some" people obviously bug you too... otherwise you would not be
harassing kelly about this..

<that is a blanket statement that could
>not possibly deal with what your real problem
>is....what that is..i don't have a clue!!!! but i hope
>you figure it out soon!!

For YOUR sake?  You selfish imp..
I hope you don't treat everyone this way if they differ in opinion to
yourself... if you do you're going to have a hard life.. yOu say that
Kelly has a problem, although you don't even know her!  Through these
pathetic assumptions yOu demonstrate that it is YOU that has the
problem.. Through this reply I make it clear that I have a problem with
your nasty nature..

>and just to throw one more little bit at ya!! ani
<difranco does rule! and she's a "feminist" who uses
>the power she has(song & buisnes)in a constructive way
<to show both the women and the men of the world what
>is wrong. and how(in her opinion)it can be made
<better. she speaks from the heart,from the soul,and
>from the mind. you speak from some dark angry place
<that i don't much care for!!!

It is you who seems much more dark and angry than Kelly.  How can you
possibly know that what she says about what she believes doesn't come
from her heart, mind and soul?  Do you say this because you have a
particular grudge against her? There are other ways to be constructive
that do not involve becoming well-known musicians...  I doubt though
that you really care about the women working in shelters and doing
social work... only those that entertain you.  Ani Defranco does a
wonderful thing, as do the missions to south africa and south america to
inoculate children against diseases...

This message is an example to you of exactly the same tact you used when
you started this whole mess by verbally attacking kelly when she stated
that she did not like gwen..  now I am attacking yOu.. obviously these
issues are not going to be resolved on the list, so GIVE IT A REST!!!!

Flame me off list if you're going to do so... you probably will, as you
thus far have seemed unable to control your urges to do so...

jennafur!

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Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 14:58:09 -0500
From: Chris Kloehr <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (mobility) off topic

> Flame me off list if you're going to do so... you probably will, as you
> thus far have seemed unable to control your urges to do so...
>
    [Chris Kloehr]  HEY HEY!!!! I thought we had a group hug, and Kelly
was included!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!   People make mistakes and say things they
shouldnt (I should know)..............

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Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 16:07:57 -0400
From: [e-mail]
Subject: (mobility) off-topic

> >
> >
>       [Chris Kloehr]  Group hug!!!!!!!!   Kelly?
>
<Okay let's not get too mushy now, for Kelly's sake!

<Oh alright.....group hug....how about Moby too, to make
<this Moby related?

yes.. although i only passed one email along.. sorry about that..
after the whole thing was *perhaps* resolved.. i'm behind in my mobility
postings.. i am a normally quiet person.. I used to be a "conflict
manager" at my school..oh well, can't unsend messages or i would've in
this case..

- -cya
   jennafur!

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Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 23:09:11 +0200
From: "Van Eijck" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) The Big Group Hug

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I'm not pointing at anyone, I really haven't been following these 'Gwen'
conversations and flames (this is a Moby list you know...) but I still =
sense
some negative vibes here.=20

start forgiving and hugging


I could use a good hug...=20
Bart


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Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 14:06:56 PDT
From: "Steve Giles" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) Gwen, other stuff

I already sent this once, but it seems it got caught in a filter or
something. I have terrible luck with that.

I saw the Big Daddy trailer with God Moving... at the beginning of it the
other night. I was already very excitable, so I was thrilled to hear it.
Sounds good in the theater.

Matthino, I think a good idea for your web page would be fan story section.
You could have people send you stories about good times listening to Moby,
how they discovered him, when they saw him live, met him, etc. You could
also do a fan profiles page with pictures and short bios. What do you think?

I saw jumpy and energetic on Wednesday night and I had to go to sleep for
work the next day, so I put Underwater on. I figeted, tossed, and turned for
a while until finally I was comfortable. The music finally relaxed me and
slowed my heart rate, and I felt a little bit floaty. I think I fell asleep
during Underwater Part 4.

My favorite Into The Blue, eh? That would be a tie for Simple & Spiritual. I
love them. They are absolutely divine.

>From: "K Bergstrom" <[e-mail]>

>how many little girls did i see running around wearing
>revealing tank tops after no doubt broke thru on mtv/much music?  granted,
>the spice girls are equally responsible for 8 year olds dressing like
>they're 18

Assuming that your moral structure / social opinion is universal (which it
isn't) and that revealing tank tops are bad, Gwen still wouldn't be at
_fault_ for lots of girls wearing them. People emulate their idols. If it
wasn't tank tops, it would've been something else. Is it really Gwen Stefani
& tank tops that you hate, or is it really just the girls who wear them? A
little associative anger, perhaps?

>then again, im just a
>chick.  my opinions don't really count, do they? it seems to be that >a
>girl
>has to be "hot" to get any respect around here... or anywhere for >that
>matter...  but c'est la f*cking vie.

Look at what you wrote above. Ask yourself why you are on this list. Are you
truly that maligned?  Your opinions _won't_ count unless you show the same
respect to others that you feel you deserve. What you wrote above is that
you get no respect because you're a girl here on mobility or anywhere else.
I respect lots of girls. I respect Gwen Stefani because she has a successful
musical career, even thought I don't particularly enjoy her group's music.
And being 'hot' will not make you successful and respected. To earn respect
you must be committed to an ideal or a goal. Please refain from calling
everybody oppresors of women. I certainly would _like_ to respect you...

Are you a Christian, Kelly? What if Jesus, instead of teaching his way, just
went around screaming "Stop that! Stop! Bad! Bad!" Do you think he would've
accomplished anything? Look at the glass as half full. You'll find that
you're not the casualty of great injustice that you think you are. (I'm an
agnostic, for the record)

>flame away if you feel like it.  if im not a nice crispy outside
>with a still slightly tender inside by this time tomorrow, i'll be >very
>disapointed in you all ;)

I really enjoy being a member of mobility. It's a sad thing to see somebody
FEEL it is her prerogative to carelessly and intentionally try to create a
flame war that will pollute this list with garbage. And then have the nerve
to tell somebody else to keep their garbage off the list. I'm here because I
want to be friends with people who have something in common with me, Moby'
music. You won't make a friends here by insulting us, or by starting flame
games to amuse you.

Make light, not flame.

- -Steve

"Fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, hate leads to suffering!"
- -Master Yoda



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