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mobility-digest         Monday, April 26 1999         Volume 01 : Number 377



Re: (mobility) Gossip/Play?
Re: (mobility) Interview gossip.......
Re[2]: (mobility) Gossip/Play?
Re[2]: (mobility) Gossip/Play?
RE: (mobility) Interview gossip.......
Re: (mobility) Gossip/Play?
(mobility) Giving a whole new meaning to the term "flame wars"...
Re[2]: (mobility) Interview gossip.......
Re: (mobility) Giving a whole new meaning to the term "flame wars"...
(mobility) See ya
RE: (mobility) Giving a whole new meaning to the term "flame wars "...

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Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 17:54:39 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time)
From: Tim Beecher <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) Gossip/Play?

On Mon, 26 Apr 1999 13:32:18 +0200 Van Eijck <[e-mail]>
wrote:

> ==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==--==---==--==--==
> Tim Beecher wrote:
> >Speaking of interviews. Moby did one for this week's 'Boyz'
> >- London's trashy, free gay paper. He's finally come out
> >and said he's bisexual. He had some interesting things to
> >say about his beliefs and relationships. I forgot to ask my
> >friend to lend me the paper - so I could remember exactly
> >what he said.
>
>
> I have an interview in which Moby says that he gets turned on
> by dead people... (of course this is a joke!)

I don't see how admitting you have had gay experiences, is
meant to be a joke? Is there a problem with Moby having
gay feelings or something? I hope, his views on the
environment, veganism, etc aren't a joke either!
>
> >I can't wait to hear the album - officially released
> >tomorrow over here!
>
>
> What happened to the official release date of May the 17th!!
> You live in the UK, right? Hmm, then it shouldn't be too difficult
> for me to order Play from there.
> Or are you talking about Run On? (rel. date: 04-26-'99)
>
> Bart

I'm pretty sure the U.K. release is today. I must check the
'Run on' postcard I received last week from DEF.
>
TMB

- ----------------------
Tim Beecher
Cranfield University
[e-mail]

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Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 18:28:37 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time)
From: Tim Beecher <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) Interview gossip.......

I hate being labelled as whatever. Everyone is unique.
I think there are varying degrees of homosexuality and
heterosexuality. From my experience, I see a scale (as
others have heard me spout already) for sexuality - say gay
on the left, bisexuals in the middle and straight on the
right and different people are of varying degrees on that
scale. There's no real hard and fast rules. However, I
didn't choose my sexual orientation and it's not something
I can suddenly change if I want to.

> > (is it possible to convert the interview from the (i don't remember the name
> > "boyz" ? not sure aboutthat) magazine (magayzine) to a text file, i can't
> > imagine myself asking a shopkeeper if he has one, here in europe. thanx4all in
> > advance. MY LOVE TO ALL OF YOU. I`M SO HAPPY.)
>
> if you're so "happy" for moby, why can't you ask for the magazine that
> he's in? are you afraid that the shopkeeper will think you're gay? if so,
> doesn't this negate all your previous statments?
>
> [xaq]
> "i think a lot, but it never helps me, so i stop.
>                     but i really enjoy thinking."
>                       Masafumi Sanai-photographer

I don't know what the situation is like where you live
(Kohut or is it Matej?). I mean are people hostile to gay
men and women? If it's anything like the small community in
Ireland where I grew up, people can be very small minded
and give you a hard time, so it's easier to stay in the
closet rather then get 'queer-bashed' by some repressed
twats.

As for getting the paper, it might prove difficult. I can't
get it outside London. You'd have to visit some gay/mixed
bar/club in the London area to pick one up and it is
published weekly. Unfortunately I'm not living in London,
and the next time I'll be there will be in 2 weeks time at
the earliest. My friend might still have it though. I'll
ask him not to chuck it, if he hasn't already. If you're
that interested I'll try and pass it your way.

At any rate the paper is a bit trashy as I said and I'd be
embarrassed to ask for it. It's like a straight person,
who's a tad shy and goes up to the local newsagent and asks
for the latest Playboy.

Most of the time it's hard to tell who's gay and who isn't.
Some guys I know, do have 'gaydar' though and you can begin
to notice certain mannerisms and dress code. The London
scene is all very contrived and plastic. Hence, I prefer
the more alternative venues, where your sexuality isn't a
big deal.

Love, peace and understanding,

TMB


- ----------------------
Tim Beecher
Cranfield University
[e-mail]

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Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 13:47:42 -0700
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re[2]: (mobility) Gossip/Play?


     I think he meant that "getting turned on by the dead" was a joke. Not
     being Gay. MOBY loves his sex life, no one can argue about that!


______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________

> I have an interview in which Moby says that he gets turned on
> by dead people... (of course this is a joke!)

I don't see how admitting you have had gay experiences, is
meant to be a joke? Is there a problem with Moby having
gay feelings or something? I hope, his views on the
environment, veganism, etc aren't a joke either!
>
> >I can't wait to hear the album - officially released
> >tomorrow over here!
>
>
> What happened to the official release date of May the 17th!!
> You live in the UK, right? Hmm, then it shouldn't be too difficult
> for me to order Play from there.
> Or are you talking about Run On? (rel. date: 04-26-'99)
>
> Bart

I'm pretty sure the U.K. release is today. I must check the
'Run on' postcard I received last week from DEF.
>
TMB

- ----------------------
Tim Beecher
Cranfield University
[e-mail]



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Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 19:13:27 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time)
From: Tim Beecher <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re[2]: (mobility) Gossip/Play?

I realise he meant getting off on dead people was a
joke. But it seems obvious that Bart also meant that Moby
saying he is bisexual was a joke too, no? Wasn't there some
point to bringing it up in relation to the topic, or was it
just off the wall? Correct me if I'm wrong with that yet
again Bart?

TMB

On Mon, 26 Apr 1999 13:47:42 -0700 [e-mail] wrote:

>
>      I think he meant that "getting turned on by the dead" was a joke. Not
>      being Gay. MOBY loves his sex life, no one can argue about that!
>
>
> ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________
>
> > I have an interview in which Moby says that he gets turned on
> > by dead people... (of course this is a joke!)
>
> I don't see how admitting you have had gay experiences, is
> meant to be a joke? Is there a problem with Moby having
> gay feelings or something? I hope, his views on the
> environment, veganism, etc aren't a joke either!
> >
> > >I can't wait to hear the album - officially released
> > >tomorrow over here!
> >
> >
> > What happened to the official release date of May the 17th!!
> > You live in the UK, right? Hmm, then it shouldn't be too difficult
> > for me to order Play from there.
> > Or are you talking about Run On? (rel. date: 04-26-'99)
> >
> > Bart
>
> I'm pretty sure the U.K. release is today. I must check the
> 'Run on' postcard I received last week from DEF.
> >
> TMB
>
> ----------------------
> Tim Beecher
> Cranfield University
> [e-mail]
>
>
>

- ----------------------
Tim Beecher
Cranfield University
[e-mail]

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Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 13:28:19 -0500
From: Chris Kloehr <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (mobility) Interview gossip.......

> I think there are varying degrees of homosexuality and
> heterosexuality.
>
Either you suck d*** or you dont suck d***, no two ways about it! (obviously
this is MY view and I know everyone differs).

>  However, I didn't choose my sexual orientation and it's not something
> I can suddenly change if I want to.
>
I know I am making no friends by this, but is this the "God made me this
way" excuse?


> At any rate the paper is a bit trashy
HMMM..................

> It's like a straight person, who's a tad shy and goes up to the local
> newsagent and asks for the latest Playboy.
>
bit different my friend........

Once again, I know I am making no friends. But everyone is entitled to their
opinion and since everyone was voicing theirs.........

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Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 20:46:57 +0200
From: "Van Eijck" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) Gossip/Play?

I wrote:
>> I have an interview in which Moby says that he gets turned on
>> by dead people... (of course this is a joke!)


Then Tim Beecher wrote:
>I don't see how admitting you have had gay experiences, is
>meant to be a joke? Is there a problem with Moby having
>gay feelings or something? I hope, his views on the
>environment, veganism, etc aren't a joke either!


Oh, no I don't mean that! I'm so sorry! My Enlish is not that good
so I get misunderstood a lot...
What I wanted to do is give a funny quote of something Moby said
as a joke in an interview. Just a funny quote, nothing more, nothing
less... Laying the emphasis on THIS, I tried to indicate that THIS
particular quote should not be taken seriously, not the one about
Moby's bisexuality... I admit after reading it again that I should have
used other words to say what I meant.
I'm sorry that this "misunderstanding" thing always happens with you Tim.
(You know, with the Death Metal thing a few days ago)

I take his views on the environment and veganism very seriously!
In fact, I'm jealous of him. Everytime I eat an animal I feel guilty,
and yet I can't resist to eat that hamburger from Mac Donalds...
I wish I had the strength to just stop eating animals!

So what if you're gay, bisexual or straight. As long as you're HONEST!

So Tim, I'm sorry if I sounded rude to you or Moby.

Bart

- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
- --------------------------------
" i believe that personal and social well being is built upon a foundation
of hard work, loyalty, honesty, diligence, respect, tolerance and other good
'values'.   but it doesn't matter what the cultural manifestation of the
values looks like.  it can be straight or gay or male or female or white or
black or anything so long as it's respectful of others and makes the
practitioner feel well. "

Taken from: "one problem with cultural conservatism"   by Moby

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Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 13:17:33 PDT
From: "Michael Matos" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) Giving a whole new meaning to the term "flame wars"...

Chris Kloehr wrote:
>Either you suck d*** or you dont suck d***, no two ways about it! (obviously
>this is MY view and I know everyone differs).

It certainly is YOUR view. Just like, say,
"Either you are an intolerant fucking
MORON or you are not, no two ways
about it," right?

>I know I am making no friends by this, but is this the "God made me this
>way" excuse?

Excuse? Excuse ME? Are you implying
that homosexuality is something you
can just decide to change at random?
You sound, my completely ignorant
friend, like one of those "ex-gay"
ministers who insist you can somehow
be "turned straight" by denouncing
homosexuality and all its trappings.
Never mind that you're going to desire
people of the same sex for the rest of
your natural life, never mind that nobody
gives straght people any shit because
they "decided" to like the opposite sex,
never mind that sexuality is as ingrained
as eye color, male pattern baldness and
COMPLETE FUCKING STUPIDITY (that
would be your department, Chris)--you
can try to change them, but you're
gonna look pretty goddamn silly doing so.
No, let's all force gay people back into
the closet where their "sinful, unnatural"
impulses will not bother the rest of us
good, upstanding straight folk. Let's all
live inside a Nazi-ish fantasy of
repression and hatred, where straight
folks are the only ones allowed to express
themselves sexually.

Am I mad? You fucking better believe I
am. Chris: when you say "excuse," you
are implying that anyone who is gay is so
unnaturally--that they're doing it for no
other reason than they want to, for
rebellion or kicks or whatever. It also
implies that homosexuality is an
unnatural state--that anyone who is gay
is a freak of nature. In both cases, the
answer is "no."

I take it you are straight. Did you wake
up one day and decide you liked girls?
Was it a conscious decision on your
part? Of course it wasn't. WHAT MAKES
YOU THINK IT WORKS ANY DIFFERENT
ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE FENCE,
DIPSHIT?!

>> It's like a straight person, who's a tad shy and goes up to the local
>> newsagent and asks for the latest Playboy.
>>
>bit different my friend........
>
>Once again, I know I am making no friends. But everyone is entitled to their
>opinion and since everyone was voicing theirs.........

Well, here's another opinion, and I don't
mind being flamed for it: If you are as
intolerant of homosexuality as you seem
to be claiming, you have no business
whatsoever being on a newsgroup that
specifically deals with an artist, Moby,
who A) makes music specifially
influenced by gay disco and house, B)
has sermonized (in his liner notes,
interviews, and on stage) that there is
no excuse for that kind of bigotry, and
C) has just outed himself as bisexual. I
realize that makes me a bigot of sorts
myself, and I understand that I am
contradictng myself to a degree by being
intolerant of ignorant bullshit like the
letter I am replying to. I also know I am
not the listmaster and cannot make the
decision for the group to get rid of
people with stupid-assed opinions like Mr.
Kloehr's. Nevertheless, it seems to me
that anyone who would make comments
like those COMPLETELY MISSES THE
POINT OF MOBY'S MUSIC AND THE
BELIEFS THAT INFLUENCE THEM, and
has nothing to contribute to any
intelligent discussion of those things.

Feel free to flame away.
Matos


_______________________________________________________________
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Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 15:55:21 -0700
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re[2]: (mobility) Interview gossip.......



     what if you eat pus*y or don't eat pus*y? Then what does that mean? I
     mean, SOMETIMES I feel like eating pus*y, but other times I don't.
     Maybe it just makes me indecisive ...  I'm confused.

     - Jayson (who wants everyone to chill and listen to MOBY)

     "All that I need is to be Loved"
     Either you NEED to be loved or you DON'T


______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________
Subject: RE: (mobility) Interview gossip.......
Author:  [e-mail] at INTERNET
Date:    04/26/1999 1:28 PM


> I think there are varying degrees of homosexuality and
> heterosexuality.
>
Either you suck d*** or you dont suck d***, no two ways about it! (obviously
this is MY view and I know everyone differs).

>  However, I didn't choose my sexual orientation and it's not something
> I can suddenly change if I want to.
>
I know I am making no friends by this, but is this the "God made me this
way" excuse?


> At any rate the paper is a bit trashy
HMMM..................

> It's like a straight person, who's a tad shy and goes up to the local
> newsagent and asks for the latest Playboy.
>
bit different my friend........

Once again, I know I am making no friends. But everyone is entitled to their
opinion and since everyone was voicing theirs.........







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Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 15:27:17 -0500
From: Electronic Pulse Info <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) Giving a whole new meaning to the term "flame wars"...

Hi,

Two things.

1) I think that Chris is full of shit, personally.

2)
- ---
never mind that sexuality is as ingrained
as eye color, male pattern baldness and
COMPLETE FUCKING STUPIDITY (that
- --

That comment is not scientific fact, and to do so would to base a defense
on shakey ground.  There is scientific evidence that supports both schools
of thought.  Since we are not talking science, let's talk what we know.
>From my experice, my gay friends, som say they have made the choice to live
the life they live AND some say it's natural...so...take that for what you
will.

All and all, you are what you are.  If you are gay, not gay, animal lover,
who the fuck cares?  The whole point is ppl. are ppl.  We can't change
that, nor should we even attempt to change it. If you have a problem
because someone is gay, it's your problem.  The problem IS NOT that they
are gay, the problem is that you cannot deal with things that make you
uncomfortable.

Hey, enjoy his music...

- -Bri

PS-I love the subject title.
- --
http://www.electronicpulse.com

Streaming electronica, 24 hours a day, 7 days a week!
- --

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Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 16:36:14 -0400
From: "Jon Gage" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) See ya

Well kids, after 2+ years on this list I'm calling it quits.
No offense to anyone in particular, but it's getting
pretty retarded.
Take care all....

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Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 17:03:30 -0500
From: Chris Kloehr <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (mobility) Giving a whole new meaning to the term "flame wars "...

ok ok ok...............

I must apologize.....for stating my opinion. I came across like a biggot, of
which I am not.  I know I am no better than the next person. I have
aquaintances which are gay, and they know how I feel as well.  But, please
let me tell you this.  I do realize that ALL people have their differences.
Some fat, some thin, some gay, some straight. The world takes all types. But
BOTTOM LINE..........I am part of this group for the music, and I was
totally WRONG in letting my opinions come out like they did (it wasnt even
my thread).

Please accept my humble apologies.......

CK

> ----------
> From:     Michael Matos[SMTP:[e-mail]]
> Reply To:     [e-mail]
> Sent:     Monday, April 26, 1999 3:17 PM
> To:     [e-mail]
> Subject:     (mobility) Giving a whole new meaning to the term "flame
> wars"...
>
> Chris Kloehr wrote:
> >Either you suck d*** or you dont suck d***, no two ways about it!
> (obviously
> >this is MY view and I know everyone differs).
>
> It certainly is YOUR view. Just like, say,
> "Either you are an intolerant fucking
> MORON or you are not, no two ways
> about it," right?
>
> >I know I am making no friends by this, but is this the "God made me this
> >way" excuse?
>
> Excuse? Excuse ME? Are you implying
> that homosexuality is something you
> can just decide to change at random?
> You sound, my completely ignorant
> friend, like one of those "ex-gay"
> ministers who insist you can somehow
> be "turned straight" by denouncing
> homosexuality and all its trappings.
> Never mind that you're going to desire
> people of the same sex for the rest of
> your natural life, never mind that nobody
> gives straght people any shit because
> they "decided" to like the opposite sex,
> never mind that sexuality is as ingrained
> as eye color, male pattern baldness and
> COMPLETE FUCKING STUPIDITY (that
> would be your department, Chris)--you
> can try to change them, but you're
> gonna look pretty goddamn silly doing so.
> No, let's all force gay people back into
> the closet where their "sinful, unnatural"
> impulses will not bother the rest of us
> good, upstanding straight folk. Let's all
> live inside a Nazi-ish fantasy of
> repression and hatred, where straight
> folks are the only ones allowed to express
> themselves sexually.
>
> Am I mad? You fucking better believe I
> am. Chris: when you say "excuse," you
> are implying that anyone who is gay is so
> unnaturally--that they're doing it for no
> other reason than they want to, for
> rebellion or kicks or whatever. It also
> implies that homosexuality is an
> unnatural state--that anyone who is gay
> is a freak of nature. In both cases, the
> answer is "no."
>
> I take it you are straight. Did you wake
> up one day and decide you liked girls?
> Was it a conscious decision on your
> part? Of course it wasn't. WHAT MAKES
> YOU THINK IT WORKS ANY DIFFERENT
> ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE FENCE,
> DIPSHIT?!
>
> >> It's like a straight person, who's a tad shy and goes up to the local
> >> newsagent and asks for the latest Playboy.
> >>
> >bit different my friend........
> >
> >Once again, I know I am making no friends. But everyone is entitled to
> their
> >opinion and since everyone was voicing theirs.........
>
> Well, here's another opinion, and I don't
> mind being flamed for it: If you are as
> intolerant of homosexuality as you seem
> to be claiming, you have no business
> whatsoever being on a newsgroup that
> specifically deals with an artist, Moby,
> who A) makes music specifially
> influenced by gay disco and house, B)
> has sermonized (in his liner notes,
> interviews, and on stage) that there is
> no excuse for that kind of bigotry, and
> C) has just outed himself as bisexual. I
> realize that makes me a bigot of sorts
> myself, and I understand that I am
> contradictng myself to a degree by being
> intolerant of ignorant bullshit like the
> letter I am replying to. I also know I am
> not the listmaster and cannot make the
> decision for the group to get rid of
> people with stupid-assed opinions like Mr.
> Kloehr's. Nevertheless, it seems to me
> that anyone who would make comments
> like those COMPLETELY MISSES THE
> POINT OF MOBY'S MUSIC AND THE
> BELIEFS THAT INFLUENCE THEM, and
> has nothing to contribute to any
> intelligent discussion of those things.
>
> Feel free to flame away.
> Matos
>
>
> _______________________________________________________________
> Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com
>

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