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mobility-digest       Tuesday, February 23 1999       Volume 01 : Number 341



(mobility) Thanks 2???
(mobility) [Fwd: question]
Re: (mobility) Have to ask
(mobility) Straight edge
Re: (mobility) new thread
(mobility) Tomorrow Never Dies
Re: (mobility) move
(mobility) Run On and Play
Re: (mobility) move
Re: (mobility) Run On and Play
Re: (mobility) move
(mobility) Play, Porcelain

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Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 11:24:23 +0100
From: "Johan Jaatinen" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) Thanks 2???

Hi all!

I was just wondering if anything ever happened to Thanks 2. I sent away a
master with a remix of ATINITBL to Ryu, and then I had to leave the list. I
heard Ryu also disappeared, so has anyone else taken over the project to
finish Thanks 2?

I'd be glad if anyone who has been on the list for the last few months
could sort things out for me...

Cheers,
Johan.

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Johan Jaatinen                                         [e-mail]
Gothenburg, Sweden                                   [e-mail]

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Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 07:01:08 -0700
From: Damian <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) [Fwd: question]

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I am forwarding this email to the list because it comes from a
non-member.  This person is requesting we respond to her & not just the
list itself.  I recommended subscribing but that's not in their
interest.  IMO, it's an interesting question and worth the bother.

My initial response to this person was:

"I have never known Moby to describe himself as straight-edge and off
the top of my head, I don't think many other people have either.  But it
seems this might be an easy conclusion to come to".

When responding (if at all) try to include both addresses:

Zeb Tortorici <[e-mail]> &
Mobility <[e-mail]>


Thanks,
Damian.
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does anyone know if moby is straight-edge?  i know he was, but did his
views change?  i appreciate any info.  thanks.  -zeb ([e-mail])

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Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 11:55:19 -0700
From: Michaela Gerstner <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) Have to ask

uh oh.. here we go again!!!!  is it that time of the month again where
we all have to bitch about each other?  hmm... i guess i forgot to mark
this in my calendar.

plov

Michael Matos wrote:
>
> Gotta ask: how does expressing one's opinion on something they're quite
> familiar with (as I am with Pink Floyd, Underworld, and Jim Morrison's
> poetry all) prove any sort of closed-mindedness? Because you like it and
> I don't, and therefore I'm closed-minded? Wouldn't that make YOU
> closed-minded for not agreeing with ME? Or does it not work that way?
>
> Matos
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Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 18:55:53 +0000
From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) Straight edge

what are you talking about?

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Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 14:08:34 PST
From: "Michael Matos" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) new thread

Paul wrote:

Well, as a self proclaimed "rock critic" you must realize
>that people will only listen to your opinion if they
>feel you have similar tastes and share a common appreciation-
>and by knocking first Pink Flyod and then Jim Morrisson
>you manage to alienate half the rock fans out there-

Don't know about that. I know plenty of people (who aren't critics!) who
don't like either PF or JM. I don't mind Floyd or the Doors,
actually--both certainly have their moments. But I find their
canonization distressing since there's lots of better bands out there.

throw
>in Zepplin and no one over 30 will ever agree with you

Oh bullshit. Are people really that sheeplike? I think not--and I also
think that, as fun as generalizations like that are (I made one when I
said what I did about Morrison fans) they're ultimately damaging. So
yes, some clarification is in order, and I'm happy to provide it from my
end.

- - perhaps
>that is your intention, to be a "rebel without a brain"
>and appeal to the younger crowd who only know that PF and
>the Doors are something thier parents like and therefore must suck.

Perhaps your intention is to be just as willfully stupid as you're
accusing me of being. Rebel without a brain--that's right, I don't
actually have these opinions, they're not based on anything, I'm just
being a knee-jerk reactionary because I think it'll make me cool. Who
actually THINKS like that, anyway? Beside which, my parents HATED that
music. And I LOVED it, or at least some of it. So any accusations that
way are pretty off-base.

>It's easy to write negative reviews, I for one never listen
>to rock critics period, I think they all love to knock
>whatever they don't like or understand and spend more time
>writing about why an album sucks rather than find one they
>feel good about reccommending to people.

No, you must NOT read any rock criticism, because anybody who does knows
that writing negative reviews is about the lsat thing critics like
doing. It's depressing, for one thing, to concentrate on music you don't
like. Here's a challenge for you: find something you don't like. Acquire
a copy, and then listen to it everyday for a week. Then try to write
1000 words about it. Go ahead, see how much fun it is trying to
articulate why you don't like something. Well, it CAN be fun, there's no
denying that, but enforced exposure to music you dislike can be
soul-robbing. And that's why most critics write about stuff they LIKE
most of the time.

>I'm not saying you are close minded (yet) but I do question
>your overall generalizions like "whoooweee i'm a crazy madman stuff".
>Tell us where it is you are coming from here!
>What kind of music most appeals to you?

Jesus...I have 1300+ CDs (and counting). I like EVERYTHING. Obviously I
like Moby--that's why I'm on this list (which I was on when it started,
too, BTW, though under a different address). That's why I respond to
individual queries: to get across what I do and don't like about
something. Vagueness doesn't do a lot for me, lyrically or musically.
When Underworld or the Lo-Fidelity Allstars' frontmen start
free-associating, I confess to finding it dull.

>I would guess the droll sounds of a nice straightforward
>garage band / big guitar sound maybe like grunge or "new punk"
>with lyrics about teenage problems or something.

What's funny about that statement (which made me laugh out loud) is the
eternal teenage belief that the more "meaningless" something is, the
"more there is to read into it." It's really easy to say the sky is
falling when you never leave the house; similarly, vagueness that
doesn't have any real meaning "but can mean something different to
everyone" is easy to do if you don't actually have anything to say.
Indirection is fine--some of my favorite writers get at their meanings
without making them explicit. But unless you have a poet's way with
words (and I don't think Karl or Wrekked Train do), free-association is
a copout a lot of the time.

By the way, how necessary is it to say that you can feel free to
disagree with me--vocally even--without being called a big poopyhead, as
seems to be the case with some of the responses I've gotten?

I did not
>recognize any of the bands you had said you were into and
>I would assume they are all underground indie rock bands,
>so what kind of style do they have and what, if any, mainstream
>acts can they be compared to?

Give me examples and I'll give you some.

>And lastly, as a "rock" critic you should stay away from
>reviewing electronic and techno music- most people who
>listen to electronic music exclusively and try to write
>reviews aren't even qualified so how can a rock critic be?

Well, since about 75% of what I listen to falls under the rubric of
techno etc. (as I refer to it), I'd say that I have not only a right but
an obligation to write about it. Simon Reynolds is a rock critic--yet he
writes mostly about techno. Does the fact that he was into guitar music
for years before techno came around disqualify him? No, because he
writes well and has a great deal of passion and knowledge to back up his
writing. Same, I'd hope, for me.

>Look how all the techno critics reacted to "Animal Rights",
>they all hated it and gave it a bad review. They all had
>their heads waay up their ass! Why? Because they wanted to
>hear techno and it wasn't what they wanted. A very spoiled
>kid type of mindset- then they bashed it to "punish" Moby
>and make him put out more techno, as if he was wrong for
>making a rock album.

I think that making that album was the smartest thing Moby could have
done at that point. I am convinced that within five years it will be
seen as an act of genius. Seriously. Instead of attempting to ride the
"electronica" wave, he asserted his artistic identity at whatever the
cost. It's this kind of thing that makes me a fan instead of just an
admirer.

Regarding your dis of critics, I call myself a rock critic instead of a
techno one because I work within a certain critical tradition that has
nothing to do with the "this is a good track for 3 AM in a warehouse or
5 AM at a New York club, 9/10" type of shit you read in most dance mags.
Writing criticism isn't as easy as it looks--or at least doing it well
isn't. ANd I try to do it well. A good critic can make you understand
their point of view, make you understand why they like or dislike it,
and you don't even have to agree with them to respect their viewpoint. A
good example is my friend Keith Harris, who wrote an article praising
Alanis Morrissette. I despise Alanis Morrissette, I think her music is
horrible, yet when I read his piece I had a different appreciation for
her. Not that my opinion changed. But I understood what people who like
her like ABOUT her.

So lay off lazy stereotypes and instead
>tell us what you think we SHOULD be listening to.
>We may laugh, we may try it out- who knows.

But that misses the point entirely! A critic isn't there to dictate
terms. A critic is there to help define what a piece of music means--for
them, and maybe for you. I think Jim Morrison is a lousy poet and Pink
Floyd are pompous and Underworld are joyless and boring. You don't.
That's democracy. And I've gone on long enough.

Till next time,
Matos

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Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 18:34:06 -0800
From: "K Bergstrom" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) Tomorrow Never Dies

you know you're obsessive when....

you manage to work Moby into an essay about Tomorrow Never Dies, and if the
producers of the new james bond flicks were successful in creating a "bond"
film.  in other words, was tomorrow never dies a "real" bond movie?  i say
it is. so there :P

hehehehehehehe.
im always finding ways to mention moby in skool work. this is so sick.
oh well. back to my essay. peace.

- -kelly

np: the tragically hip- day for night (cool canadian band.  i have a
love/hate relationship with their music.  right now i'm on one of my love
swings.  kickass lyrics.  and very high on the canadian content. whoo hoo!)

Conscience is the inner voice which warns us that someone may be looking.
     -Henry Louis Mencken, A Little Book in C Major

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Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 16:32:53 -0700
From: Daniel Cerman <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) move

Brett McSherry wrote:
> For the longest time now I have exhausted myself ordering different
> versions of the move single, and have yet to find the mix I am looking for.

I think that what you want is "Move (You Make Me Feel So Good)".
On all the CDs they pass off the radio edit of this song with the
same title.  The radio edit sucks and I hardly ever listen to it.
That's because I got spoiled by the absolutely wonderful full
version.

I searched for years before I found the full version of "Move (You
Make Me Feel So Good)".  It's on the UK 12" L12MUTE158.  It's also
on a US promo and maybe nonpromo 12".  I don't have any of the US
12"s.  As far as I can tell, this track never made it onto CD,
which I find inexplicable, since it's one of Moby's all-time best
tracks.  I would gladly trade all double-oh seven million versions
of the Bond theme single for a CD with this one track.

Perhaps such a CD exists.  I've seen two or three times in online
catalogs of disreputable Internet music stores a listing for a
Move CD that has seven tracks.  My attempts to buy it have been
unsuccessful, since it's not in stock anywhere on the planet.  I
think the CD, if it exists, is Japanese.  Yet nobody in Japan has
ever spoken up about it.  I hope that eventually this CD will turn
up and that it will contain the full version of "Move (You Make Me
Feel So Good)".

While on the subject of Move, I wonder why no UK release contains
the excellent "Disco Threat" mix.  The EIW remix 2CD doesn't count.

The US 6-track _Move_ EP is Moby's best release to date, and I am
just disappointed that its title track got such poor treatment on
CD.  You want the real "Move", you have to get the limited UK 12"
or one of those nice US 12"s that has it.

If Moby ever has a greatest hits album, it would be criminal to
not include the full version of "Move (You Make Me Feel So Good)".
And since I don't see that happening anytime soon, I hope that it
will be included on an upcoming single or bonus CD or even a promo.
Just to get it on CD.  I have it on vinyl and tape, but only CDs
are good to listen to with my equipment.

Sorry for that long on-topic rant.  :)

Dan Cerman
http://www.moby.org/

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Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 16:56:08 -0700
From: Daniel Cerman <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) Run On and Play

I have some new Moby news from a reliable source.

The new single _Run On_ will be released in Europe (and of course
the UK) in mid-April.  It has *four* B-sides!  They are:  "Spirit",
"Running", "Sunday", and "Down Slow".

Moby's new album _Play_ will be released in Europe in May, and in
the United States in June.  Which US record label will put out the
record is still unknown, but probably will be known within the next
month.  _Play_ is currently being mastered, and has 18 songs!  The
track listing, which is still possibly subject to change, is:

  HONEY
  FIND MY BABY
  PORCELAIN
  WHY DOES MY HEART FEEL SO BAD?
  SOUTH SIDE
  RUSHING
  BODYROCK
  NATURAL BLUES
  MACHETE
  7
  RUN ON
  DOWN SLOW
  IF THINGS WERE PERFECT
  EVERLOVING
  INSIDE
  GUITAR, FLUTE & STRINGS
  THE SKY IS BROKEN
  MY WEAKNESS

Moby will tour Europe and North America starting in June.

- ---
Daniel Cerman
http://www.moby.org/

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Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 09:28:43 +0900
From: AJ Brustein <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) move

> Perhaps such a CD exists.  I've seen two or three times in online
> catalogs of disreputable Internet music stores a listing for a
> Move CD that has seven tracks.  My attempts to buy it have been
> unsuccessful, since it's not in stock anywhere on the planet.  I
> think the CD, if it exists, is Japanese.  Yet nobody in Japan has
> ever spoken up about it.  I hope that eventually this CD will turn
> up and that it will contain the full version of "Move (You Make Me
> Feel So Good)".

Well, Dan, you called? So, this elusive Move track could be on the Japanese
release of Move. Give me any info you know and I pretty much gaurantee I will
tell you if it exists or not. I kind of want to buy a new move anyway since
mine was used without a sticker! Later.
AJ

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Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 09:34:11 +0900
From: AJ Brustein <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) Run On and Play

What?! I thought April it was out? Man this Play CD better be awesome. And did
Porcelean ever get released on single because I have yet to hear it. Sounds
cool though. Since I have only heard honey, does anyone know what style this
CD is? I kind of hope it is like EIW kind of mixed all together, but has
anyone heard anything other than Honey and Porcelean from the new album? Later.
AJ

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Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 17:40:42 -0700
From: Daniel Cerman <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) move

AJ Brustein wrote:
> Well, Dan, you called? So, this elusive Move track could be on the Japanese
> release of Move. Give me any info you know and I pretty much gaurantee I will
> tell you if it exists or not. I kind of want to buy a new move anyway since
> mine was used without a sticker! Later.

That's basically all the info I have.  A 7-track Move CD, possibly
from Japan.  I first saw it listed at CD Europe several years ago.
Later, I saw it listed at CD Banzai!  I have had bad experiences
with these places, so I don't recommend them (though CD Europe used
to have a good selection -- it's where I got my German "Hymn" CDs!).
And neither was able to procure this elusive CD.  I think I saw a
listing on GEMM (http://www.gemm.com/) for this CD just in the past
month, but I didn't bother ordering it, because the Canadian dealer
offering it had a horrendous string of negative feedback.

Dan

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Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 17:52:06 -0700
From: Daniel Cerman <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) Play, Porcelain

[was Re: (mobility) Run On and Play]

AJ Brustein wrote:
> What?! I thought April it was out? Man this Play CD better be awesome.

As is usual with all software and music release dates, this one
has slipped again.  In the meantime, look for new albums from the
Orb and Underworld.

> And did Porcelean ever get released on single because I have yet to hear it.

AFAIK, "Porcelain" is not going to come out as a single.  Which is
alright with me, because there are probably more single-worthy songs
on the album.  "Porcelain" is available on the _Playing By Heart_
soundtrack, which I bought.  The song is really nice, IMHO.  Probably
not anything of lasting greatness, but it is a good song that sounds
very late-'90s-Moby.  Harmonious with a slightly hip-hoppish beat.

> Since I have only heard honey, does anyone know what style this
> CD is? I kind of hope it is like EIW kind of mixed all together, but has
> anyone heard anything other than Honey and Porcelean from the new album?

I don't know for sure, but from the limited info I've heard, it is
kind of bluesy and more down-tempo than previous albums.  I don't
think it will be as stylistically heterogeneous as EIW, but I do
have high expectations for the music.  We'll just have to wait and
hear.

Dan

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