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From: owner-mobility-digest@lists.xmission.com (mobility-digest)
To: mobility-digest@lists.xmission.com
Subject: mobility-digest V1 #340
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mobility-digest Tuesday, February 23 1999 Volume 01 : Number 340
Re: (mobility) Swans
Re: (mobility) new underworld
(mobility) End of Underworld
(mobility) moby in the mix
(mobility) uh...moby?????
Re: (mobility) Pink Floyd
Re: (mobility) uh...moby?????
Re: (mobility) moby in the mix
Re: (mobility) new underworld
Re: (mobility) new underworld
(mobility) Have to ask
Re: (mobility) Have to ask
(mobility) I'm back (big f***in' deal)
(mobility) move
(mobility) new thread
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Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 05:45:11 -0800
From: "Dr. Killpatient" <rfu@stitch.com>
Subject: Re: (mobility) Swans
You are going to knock Underworld as well as promote Swans info, huh?
Well if you want to talk about complete and utter crap
then let me know if you have heard the latest CD from Jarboe!!!!
I got a promo for it months ago and I must say it's probably
the most disgusting, sick demented shit you could ever hope to hear.
And to think I used to like the Swans...she's a fucking freak
paul
Michael Matos wrote:
>
> My Swans pick is Swans are Dead, from '98. Incredible 2CD live document
> of their last-ever tour. Monumental-sounding.
>
> Matos
>
> NOW PLAYING: Classic Garage Mastercuts Vol. 1 (Mastercuts '99)
>
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Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 06:38:30 -0800
From: "Dr. Killpatient" <rfu@stitch.com>
Subject: Re: (mobility) new underworld
"look at me I'm a madman, whoo-haaa-haaa! crap"?????
You obviously have your head way up your ass.
Funny that you are using 'Born Slippy' as your example too,
if you are going to pass judgements on Underworld
then why use thier one mainstream song as an example?
I don't see one bit of what you do in Underworld-
and there are really no comparisons to Pink Floyd
that can be made except for the fact that DJ Paul
Oakenfold likes to mix Born Slippy and Pink Floyd
during his set (which obviously gave you some subliminal
idea that you had a real opinion about an artist
you obviously have not heard much of)
Maybe I'm wrong and you have heard plenty to
formulate your opinion, but I don't see how you
came to find Underworld "ooooh, scary- i'm a
weirdo for the sake of being weird" or whatever.
Sounds like a harsh flame?
You bet, Underworld is probably my favorite group.
I can see comparing them to New Order and even
Moby- who also both have strange, artsy lyrics
and like to mix techno with vocals and even
traditional guitar, bass and drums- but not Pink
Floyd. Maybe you haven't heard enough PF to make
that conclusion either because their early
stuff is waaaay beyond just "i'm a scary madman"
it's incomprehensible nonsense most of the time
(i still love it)
later flyod was more like any progressive rock
band, except with razor sharp production skills
and top notch songwriting.
First of all, Underworld (MKii, not the 80s lineup)
has much more instrumental songs than lyrical-
and when the lyrics are used I agree that they are
often cryptic and surreal, but like any good poetry
can grow to mean something different to each person.
Insanity is kept at a minimum as far a s I can tell,
but of course I'm insane so.....
Karl's vocals are often clouded by the robotic
vocoder effects but still manage to paint clear
imagery- one of my favorite lyrical compositions
is Juanita "listening to the barbed wire hanging".
Reminding me alot of Jim Morrisson's poetry- bizarre
imagery, dark concepts and a modern style.
Then he also touches on many other styles, sometimes
reminding me of beatnik poets (moaner)and sometimes relying
more on the sound and rhythm of the words rather
than the meaning borrowing from a tribal style of
vocal rhythm (like Cowgirl and Spikee to name a couple).
Anyway, the new Underworld album is great- just as
good as the other two albums (mkii) and definately
the best thing that has come out in 1999 (well, soon)
It's hard to believe someone had to turn off one of the
new songs because they hated it! Mostly they have
been playing Push Upstairs and King Of Snake on the
radio- the first being fast, hard and kind of a funky
techno industrial groove and KOS is more of a disco/house
kind of feel (total ripoff of Donna Summer 'I Feel Love'
bassline). There are several ambient moments on the album and
the style varies from track to track much like Moby- Everything
Is Wrong.
He's not trying to be weird for attention, he's an incredible
poet with an original style and never ever over does it.
that's my 2 cents plus a hot pepper
You can check out my latest Techno Mix in realaudio
and hear an Underworld remix (King Of Snake) as well
as Moby's Honey (Rollo & Sister Bliss Blunt Edit)
http://www.stitch.com
paul
Michael Matos wrote:
>
> Chris Perkins wrote:
>
> >i'm just wondering, what exactly are you talking about? i have yet to
> see
> >either of those groups display anything resembling "that look at me i'm
> a
> >scary madman, whoo-haaa-haaa-HAA! crap..." is it maybe because you do
> not
> >comprehend vocals that don't always make logical sense?
>
> No, it's because I'm not easily impressed by the kind of stuff that
> makes people say, "ooh, it doesn't make logical sense and therefore it
> must be DEEP and MEANINGFUL." Sometimes it is, sometimes it isn't, and
> obviously you don't have to agree. BTW, Pink Floyd did it on Dark Side
> of the Moon and Underwear do it on "Born Slippy." My interpretation
> anyhow. And we're getting way off-base with this; email me privately if
> you have more.
>
> Matos
>
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Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 08:56:48 -0700
From: Damian <owner-mobility@lists.xmission.com>
Subject: (mobility) End of Underworld
Hello, hello, and hello...
Maybe now is a good time to retire the Underworld conversation, ay?!
:)
Fantazia - British Anthems 2000
CD One Mixed by Jeremy Healy
Track 12. Moby - Honey
"Moby goes a long way to back to the early days of Fantazia and our
infamous parties. 'Honey' is his latest release and a favorite of Jeremy
Healys. With this mix, 'Honey' is the sort of tune that creeps up on
you. Just when the mix appears all quiet, suddenly it hits you with a
wicked vocal led build that just gets higher and higher. One of the
many marks of an anthem."
Jeremy doesn't have the most cred but I thought I'd quote it anyway.
Damian
- --
In rotation this date:
Fantazia - British Anthems 2000, CD Two
Roos: Instant Moments (Twisted America)
Skinny: Failure (Cheeky UK)
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Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 11:32:42 PST
From: "Steve Giles" <power_hymn@hotmail.com>
Subject: (mobility) moby in the mix
>>>I'm replying to Damian's quoting of a DJ>>>
Sounds like a description of Sharam Jey's Sweet Honey mix. I've seen
Honey showing up in many different DJ mix comps which I see advertised
in trading places. None of them ever bother to quote the name of which
mix is used, though.
I saw some Honey 12"s at the store yesterday (which was a surprise), but
no Honey CDs. ?
That guy is lagging on that promo CD with the NIN Hurt mix. I suspect
he's made a promise he can't deliver on. Sorry if I got your hopes up,
people. I'll let you know if he actually turns it up (he owns 1500+ CDs)
but I suspect he won't.
BTW, The Opus III mixes are all that and a barrel of monkeys.
- -Steve
In rotation tonight: (I'm rockin it nowadays)
REM - Up
Pearl Jam - Live On Two Legs
Gomez - Bring It On
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Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 12:09:15 -0800 (PST)
From: Paul Simpson <techno_gpig@yahoo.com>
Subject: (mobility) uh...moby?????
yeah where did moby go on this list anyway???
all this underworld talk...making me choke...
i personally like them, but from what ive heard of the new album
(about 3 songs, all of which i taped off the electro circus) i was not
pleased. too basic-house crap, just with male voclals intead of
female. not d'n'b at all. i love their other stuff tho. i even think
their 80's stuff is better than their new stuff
oh god will i offend some underworld fans with that one :P
anyway, speaking of electro circus, last week they had a guest dj who
played a whole bunch of cool shit....much better than dave the wave...
he played a housey type mix of "honey" that sounded a lot like
faithless..partly because he mixed it with faithless....yes, it was
the rollo/bliss mix... i think
and also he played a record by Johnny shaker (aka sharam jey) or
something, called "pearl river". it featured female vocals, including
some "yeah"s that sound EXACTLY like she was trying to copy those from
"go." i mean, it didn't sound exactly like they were sampled, but it
sounded like she was trying to imitate them.
um, anyone heard "run on"? what does it sound like?
hello?
okay bye!
==
"YOU TAKE A PREDICATE AND I'LL TAKE YOUR SOUL!!!!!!!!
RA RA RA, RA RA RA, REDRUM!!!!!!"
- -sifl and olly
>>>>>>>>>>PAUL<<<<<<<<<<
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Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 14:08:51 CST
From: "Derek Goodwrench" <dgoodwrench@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: (mobility) Pink Floyd
You bet. Ever try to figure out Pink Floyd tabliature without
screwing up at least 4 dozen times? David Gilmour is one of the 3 best
guitarists ever. Period. PF was mezmerizing.
Moby...
d...
>later flyod was more like any progressive rock
>band, except with razor sharp production skills
>and top notch songwriting.
>
>>
>
>
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Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 16:52:30 EST
From: Gristledog@aol.com
Subject: Re: (mobility) uh...moby?????
i'm sorry i understand this is a moby list but every day 10 times a day theres
not gonna be moby news ... so while theres no moby news ... why not talk about
other great musicians ????
____QgO
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Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 20:05:41 -0700
From: Damian <damian@xmission.com>
Subject: Re: (mobility) moby in the mix
Steve Giles wrote:
>
> >>>I'm replying to Damian's quoting of a DJ>>>
>
> Sounds like a description of Sharam Jey's Sweet Honey mix.
Hey Steve, you are right.
I forgot to say which mix was on the CD, it is credited on the back of
the packaging. I got the compilation because I was excited to see HONEY
included in year end CD... plus there are some other good tunes.
Allister Whitehead remixes the second CD, just for your 10-14.
Okay, gotta go...
BTW: Brad, I'm not much into MP3... I need to get a clue.
damian
owner-mobility@lists.xmission.com
np: Cevin Fisher - The Freaks Come Out (2000 Freaks Mix)
"one of my theme songs" lol
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Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 19:22:37 PST
From: "Michael Matos" <rockersuptown@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: (mobility) new underworld
All I've got to say--and it's all I'm GOING to say, this subject has
exhausted itself--is that anybody who talks about how great Jim
Morrison's poetry is has their head up THEIR ass.
Matos
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Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 20:17:59 -0800 (PST)
From: BRIAN HOVEY <bhoveyredfive@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: (mobility) new underworld
- ---Michael Matos <rockersuptown@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> All I've got to say--and it's all I'm GOING to say, this subject has
> exhausted itself--is that anybody who talks about how great Jim
> Morrison's poetry is has their head up THEIR ass.
>
> Matos
>
>
NICE, Just another example of just one more wonderful closed mind on
this list. What are you 16??
Bri
P.S. Its all music please learn to respect how the music that you
listen to today reflects the music of yesterday. Keep an open mind, Im
not saying LOVE everything but dont cut it!!!!
==
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Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 20:42:47 PST
From: "Michael Matos" <rockersuptown@hotmail.com>
Subject: (mobility) Have to ask
Gotta ask: how does expressing one's opinion on something they're quite
familiar with (as I am with Pink Floyd, Underworld, and Jim Morrison's
poetry all) prove any sort of closed-mindedness? Because you like it and
I don't, and therefore I'm closed-minded? Wouldn't that make YOU
closed-minded for not agreeing with ME? Or does it not work that way?
Matos
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Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 21:16:31 -0800 (PST)
From: BRIAN HOVEY <bhoveyredfive@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: (mobility) Have to ask
- ---Michael Matos <rockersuptown@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> Gotta ask: how does expressing one's opinion on something they're
quite
> familiar with (as I am with Pink Floyd, Underworld, and Jim
Morrison's
> poetry all) prove any sort of closed-mindedness? Because you like it
and
> I don't, and therefore I'm closed-minded? Wouldn't that make YOU
> closed-minded for not agreeing with ME? Or does it not work that way?
>
Well it does sound like a defence to me.
It is closed minded if you can not state a point to back up you other
wise ignorant sounding statement.
I would say that I am not closed minded, because I respect a point if
it has value not spite. I would like to hear an intelegent arguement
from you besides " This sucks, That sucks", Please if this is at all
up your alley you know my e-mail address.
Peace
Bri
==
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Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 00:40:28 EST
From: JadenX@aol.com
Subject: (mobility) I'm back (big f***in' deal)
Hello, Mobites!!!!!!
I return to the list stronger, faster. Wait......my computer is stronger
and faster.......
Anyway, back when I was on the list I said I was going to make MP3's for all.
I AM STICKING TO MY PROMISE!!!! What I have done is made a Word95/97
Document containing all of my CD's (roughly 720) including imports with track
listings and track lengths. I will distribute my .doc to anyone who sends me
an email with (MP3LIST) in their subject. What happens next is up to you, you
could delete it (a most for all) OR you could email me back with what songs
you want MP3'd. I have almost all my songs on my HD (I now have 75GB of Hard
Drive space!!!!!) and I will send them to you. Some people have trouble when
I send large files from this account (AOL blows) so I have 2 other email
accounts that should work. I am currently working on my web page which should
be up soon which will have all this information.
Thank you,
Carmen Barone
JadenX@aol.com
p.s. To make this Moby related, I own 74 Moby CD's so if you are aching to
hear a certain version of a Moby remix, I most likely have it.
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Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 02:24:18 -0500
From: Brett McSherry <crimson_king@altavista.net>
Subject: (mobility) move
For the longest time now I have exhausted myself ordering different
versions of the move single, and have yet to find the mix I am looking for.
So to you all I ask this question for help, does anyone out there know at
all if the Move (extended mix) is available to buy on a cd? Where I can get
it, or if you have seen it on an on-line shop to buy--new or used, it
doesn't really matter. I have three different version of the single, and
not one of them contains this mix :(. I had it a long time ago on a tape
which I had got off the radio. Some of you canadian subscribers will know
of the Chris Shepard Pirate Radio Sessions (ugh!) God awful radio but it
was all we had!!!
He played it years ago, and haven't heard it since. It was a beautiful
remix for it's relentless bassline and keyboards which never let up, or let
you down. The extended keyboards at the end near end of the song was all
the more poetic, as the bass, synth and vocals died down, to obscurity.
I would be very greatful if anyone could tell me id they have seen it
listed on-line, and where about that they saw it.
Thx.
Brett McSherry
P.S. Someone earlier was asking about some new music that they might want
to give a try to, how about Legion of Green Men--Spatial Specific, King
Cobb Steelie--Junior Relaxer(which has a great remix at the end buy LoGM!),
or anything by Machines of Loving Grace.
The legion disc has a song on their called Philosopher's Stone which has to
be about as monumental for me as Moby's "God moving over the face of the
Waters" was. Pure emotions surge as the song takes place. The begining of
the song feels like a tease, because you know what is coming later and how
the song will go but it seems to take forever to get there as the
instruments take shape. I loved it. It is on the Plus 8 label which is the
same as Plastikman's label in North America.
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Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 00:01:51 -0800
From: "Dr. Killpatient" <rfu@stitch.com>
Subject: (mobility) new thread
Well, as a self proclaimed "rock critic" you must realize
that people will only listen to your opinion if they
feel you have similar tastes and share a common appreciation-
and by knocking first Pink Flyod and then Jim Morrisson
you manage to alienate half the rock fans out there- throw
in Zepplin and no one over 30 will ever agree with you- perhaps
that is your intention, to be a "rebel without a brain"
and appeal to the younger crowd who only know that PF and
the Doors are something thier parents like and therefore must suck.
It's easy to write negative reviews, I for one never listen
to rock critics period, I think they all love to knock
whatever they don't like or understand and spend more time
writing about why an album sucks rather than find one they
feel good about reccommending to people.
I'm not saying you are close minded (yet) but I do question
your overall generalizions like "whoooweee i'm a crazy madman stuff".
Tell us where it is you are coming from here!
What kind of music most appeals to you?
I would guess the droll sounds of a nice straightforward
garage band / big guitar sound maybe like grunge or "new punk"
with lyrics about teenage problems or something. I did not
recognize any of the bands you had said you were into and
I would assume they are all underground indie rock bands,
so what kind of style do they have and what, if any, mainstream
acts can they be compared to?
And lastly, as a "rock" critic you should stay away from
reviewing electronic and techno music- most people who
listen to electronic music exclusively and try to write
reviews aren't even qualified so how can a rock critic be?
Look how all the techno critics reacted to "Animal Rights",
they all hated it and gave it a bad review. They all had
their heads waay up their ass! Why? Because they wanted to
hear techno and it wasn't what they wanted. A very spoiled
kid type of mindset- then they bashed it to "punish" Moby
and make him put out more techno, as if he was wrong for
making a rock album. So lay off lazy stereotypes and instead
tell us what you think we SHOULD be listening to.
We may laugh, we may try it out- who knows.
paul
Michael Matos wrote:
>
> All I've got to say--and it's all I'm GOING to say, this subject has
> exhausted itself--is that anybody who talks about how great Jim
> Morrison's poetry is has their head up THEIR ass.
>
> Matos
>
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