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mobility-digest       Tuesday, November 17 1998       Volume 01 : Number 264



Re: (mobility) My (dumb) Moby question...
Re: (mobility) Re: electronica???
Re: (mobility) mass music market and oatmeal zombification
Re: (mobility) def is dope
(mobility) Modulations
Re: (mobility) mass music market and oatmeal zombification
Re: (mobility) Blah blah blah
(mobility) Re: mobility-digest V1 #263
(mobility) mobility
(mobility) More Moby on Much Music!!
Re: (mobility) mass music market and oatmeal zombification
(mobility) MTV

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Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 14:30:37 -0500
From: n <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) My (dumb) Moby question...

> I'm not a girl, but I've always thought Moby's head and face were some of
> his better features. I'm not sure I'd go so far as sexy. But then, i've
> never met him in person, so i really can't say what kind of physical
> impression he makes in person. I guess I'd say he's cute in that goofy kind
> of way. Which is good, because pretty boy's get tiresom real quick.

I'm a girl, and i think moby is cute.  the look on his face in some of
the photos i've seen makes me want to cuddle him and put him in my
pocket.  'kay i'll stop being pink now :)

- --
==========================================================
Words fail.

    n.

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Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 12:41:29 -0500
From: [e-mail] (Daniel Redmond)
Subject: Re: (mobility) Re: electronica???

Perhaps this may be the case.  I currently am in a music theory class, and
personally find era definitions confusing as hell, tho.
>
>>my problem with the term [electronica] is that it is entirely overused and
>limiting, such
>>as "an electronica artist by trade does not write punk rock songs"
>>technically its a truth, but it is rather vauge: what is an electronica
>>artist? what is a punk rock song,exactly?
>
>
>This is interesting.  In Music theory, traditional music, even up to the
>advent of rock n' roll in the 50s and early 60s can easily be categorized
>depending on the chord and harmonic structure, beat structure and what not.
>Even periods are easily distinquished through music history, Baroque,
>Romantic etc.   Perhaps enough time has to pass for historians to properly
>categorize musical and stylistic movements.  I don't think the word has any
>relevance today, but perhaps in the many years to come, music theory will
>adopt it as a term denoting certain characteristics that will by then be
>easily defined.  No?
>
>
>
>

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Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 12:29:31 +0000
From: mark reed <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) mass music market and oatmeal zombification

>I want to be challenged by my music, not comforted in my own stupidity.
>
>The mass music market feeds bland oatmeal to a market that eats only bland

This is teh best e-mail I have read in weeks.

ps. Moby shaves his head beacuse it looks cool, requires no maintenance,
nobody fucks with you and you never have bad hair days.
- --
mark reed

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Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 15:03:56 -0500
From: "D Bergstrom" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) def is dope

> Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 15:33:53 -0800
> From: danny legare <[e-mail]>
> Subject: (mobility) def is dope
>
> so i go home for lunch from work and i see the paper i've been hoping to
> see for weeks. the little notice that a parcel is waiting for me at the
> local postal pick-up thingy.
> i received my moby shirts in the mail today-the folks over at def also
sent
> me the honey t-shirt. it has the orange pumpkin on the front with
> moby-honey written on the back. it's a pleasure to do business with them.
> wuhoo!

Blah.  I still haven't recieved my Moby stuff yet :(  I ordered the Moby
hat thingy
for my brother for Christmas, I hope it arrives in time.  Well it SHOULD...
or else
I'll have to start complaining.

> it's also good to see some fellow canadians on this list-and wow! welcome
> kelly-and the west coast (vancouver) is not what it's all cracked up to
be.
> scenic, yes-but lacking in the culture i got from back home (montreal)
> and.... they do not film the x-files here anymore...it's weird seeing
palm
> trees and sunshine now on the show....soon enough, scully will be walking
> around in a bathing suit and applying suntan lotion to skinner.

Lots of people are saying I'm nuts for wanting to leave the biggest city in
Canada,
but I'm still looking forward to the west coast.  Actually, its Burnaby
that I'm heading
to.  I want to go to Simon Fraiser, plus one of my best friends lives out
there.  And I'm
working on getting my other two best friends to move out there too.  *evil
grin* I know a pretty
cool guy in kelowna too...  but enough about BC.  When I asked Desi (my bud
out there in Burnaby) if he knew who Moby was,
his answer was, "Hey!  Isn't that the new british group that made
it over here??"
*kelly hangs her head in shame*  i guess I haven't taught him too well.
but i'm working
on it.

> i got 4 or 5 moby digests over the last few days. good to see, good to
see...

yup.  very good.  but i'm going to lose all the back issues i've collected
when i reformat
my HD tomorra (not by choice though).   :(

>
> clay-you still make my day with your postings.
> i agree with the erasure cd being what it is. pop bliss, in fact, next to
> moby-they might be one of the most under-rated synth pop bands around.
they
> have the fan-base, just no radio play.
>
> other than electronic-ah, i listen to ska, punk, folk, industrial (often
> this and electronic-ah are lumped together..), jean michel jarre,
squirrel
> nut zippers,

Squirrel Nut Zippers.  Very amusing stuff.  gotta love those guys :)

>new order,

gotta luv them too :)

>world-beat (realworld stuff), shoegazer (slowdive
> is the best band in the world..for me...this month...)
>
> so-along with the shirts got some stickers and a little merchandise onfo
> sheet saying that a new single will be out in march of 99. any news on
that?
>
> cheers,
> dan
>

I have no idea on when new stuff is coming out.  I wish I knew.  *sigh*

- -Kelly

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Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 12:23:17 -0800
From: [e-mail]
Subject: (mobility) Modulations

Through a very cool friend, I was able to get a copy on video=2E  The great=
 thing=20=
is practically everyone ever associated with electronic music is in it, but the=20=
bad side is each interview is about 2 seconds long (Moby included)=2E

Deemo

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Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 15:43:07 -0800
From: Anthony Colorez <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) mass music market and oatmeal zombification

>
> ps. Moby shaves his head beacuse it looks cool, requires no maintenance,
> nobody fucks with you and you never have bad hair days.


What do you mean nobody fucks with you??
Does a shaved head look intimidating to some people?

Okay, I'm going back to work :(
- -Anthony

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Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 15:38:04 -0500
From: "D Bergstrom" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) Blah blah blah

>
> Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 19:29:25 -0500
> From: Ade <[e-mail]>
> Subject: (mobility) Blah blah blah

<snip>

> >I am working on artwork for thanks2, but donnot have a scanner and
> >therefore cannot send it to you via email (it is not done on computer
> >either).  I was wondering if anyone would volunteer to scan it for me?

> *You could probably get it done at a local Kinko's or something like that
> if you can't find anyone.
>

This is Jennafur's question, right?  Simple answer.  Give it to Joel or
RashMan
at skool. (yes we do go to the same skool.  Thornlea the windowless prison.
Now lets never talk of such evil matters again)

> *I think shaved heads are supercool.  I've been shaving my head for a few
> years now.  I believe that everyone should shave their heads--men and
women
> alike.  There's too much burden surrounding an unshaved head.  People
worry
> all the time if their hair looks OK, they have to spend $$$ on hair care
> products, their drains get clogged, they have to worry about lice, and so
> on.  When I first shaved my head I was blown away by the new found
freedom
> and refreshment I experienced.

I'm still trying to decide if I want to shave my head or not.  I almost did
it when
I was in grade nine (*begins singing Grade Nine by the bare nude dudes*
this was
me in grade nine baby... this was me in grade nine) by my mom freaked at
the last
minute and I instead ended up with my first undercut :)

> *Just a side note: what's Canadian TV like?  What percent of the shows
are
> American?

Lots and lots and lots of American crap... err programming.  Well, some if
it isn't
that bad.  I watch ER on a daily basis (mmm... Anthony Edwards...)
Canadian TV
gives us lots of kickass programming like The Kids in the Hall (you haven't
lived till
you watch this show. WATCH IT!  LOOK IT UP ON YAHOO!!! JUST DO SOMETHING!)
*ahem* Just for Laughs is good too.  Same with Royal Canadian Air Farce.
And who
can for get Degrassi High?  That was the blue print for BH 90210, but of
course the
American producers screwed it up :(   So umm yeah... theres a lot more to
Canadian
TV than Hockey (but Hockey Night In Canada kicks ass.  No stupid streaks on
the
puck!! Fox is evil!)  Canadian TV is pretty much like American TV but a lot
cooler,
in my opinion.   But then, any place that doesn't have MTV is pretty cool
:)

Man... that was a mini rant. whoops :)

>
> *Peace out.

one of my friends is always telling me to peace out groovy karma chick.
dunno. just
thought i'd share that :)

>
> *np: One of my roommates whacking at a guitar and the other wailing on a
> harmonica pretty loudly.  They're not really playing anything at all and
> not in harmony or whatever.  Mais c'est la vie n'est pas?
>
>
> - --Ade.
>

oui.  c'est la vie.
at least its not your brother upstairs watching wcw wrestling at full blast
with your dad
*shudder* that's what i hear almost ever night :P

- -Kelly

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Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 15:57:41 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: (mobility) Re: mobility-digest V1 #263

i'm sure you're all familiar with this. i ask you to read it again... really
read it. this essay helped to change my life. it really did that. i hjave
changed a lot about myself as a result of reading moby's thoughts, and
listening to his music. His positive lifestyle, positive music, and radical
attitude is incredible.

an essay by Moby, from the album Everything is Wrong

''by "everything is wrong" i mean EVERYTHING. i look around me- i'm typing on
a plastic and glass and metal computer perched on a desk made from cut down
trees and toxic paint. i sit in a building made of wood and bricks that were
taken from the earth on a street made of poisonous asphalt that was laid over
an ecosystem that had thrived for hundreds of thousands of years. i'm clothed
in cotton that was saturated with pesticides while it grew and treated with
toxic chemicals while it was being processed. all of my possessions were made
hundreds or thousands of miles away and shipped in styrofoam and plastic wrap
via gas burning engines and destructive road and air ways to me. my food,
although completely vegan, is shipped from where it was grown to my local
store and is often packaged in paper, plastic, metal, and toxic inks. i know
tons of people that eat meat, smoke cigarettes, drive cars, use drugs etc.,
even though they know that these things will ultimately hurt the quality (and
length) of their lives.  i live in an apartment building where no one is on a
first name basis. i know more about idiot actors in hollywood that i've never
met than i do about the womyn who live next door to me (and is probably more
interesting). while walking to work i inhale toxic exhaust from cars sitting
in traffic.
    ''To make sure that eating 3 cans of oven cleaner will make you sick, or to
make sure that pouring nail polish remover into your eyes will hurt you, we
torture mice, rabbits, dogs, cats, etc. we use toxic chlorine to keep our
underpants white. we cut down the rainforests to drill for oil so that we can
drive to the video store. do you see what i mean? everything really is wrong.
even the back to nature people drive cars and use products made from materials
ripped out of the earth. people struggle all of their lives doing work they
hate just to be a functioning member of a system that is wasteful, destructive
and unhealthy.
    ''What i advocate is this: a sensible, pragmatic, and nondestructive approach
towards existence. we need to reevaluate our practices. just as it doesn't
make sense to hire an elevator operator to run an automatic elevator, it
doesn't make sense for billions of people to drive to work alone in their
cars. it doesn't make sense to consume animal products. it doesn't make sense
to derive power from nuclear, cole, and petroleum  when we have solar, hydro,
and wind power.  it doesn't make sense to maintain destructive systems just
because people earn their livings from them.  it doesn't make sense to pour
billions of toxic chemicals onto our lawns so that they'll look pretty and
green. i could go on, but you're probably either bored or overwhelmed by now.
i advocate change; massive, massive change.
    ''basically we should stop doing those things that are destructive to the
environment, other creatures, and ourselves and figure out news ways of
existing.- THAT'S IT.''

I am a teenage boy in the Midwest and Moby has made an incredible difference
on my life. im sure he's had a similar effect on all of you. thanks for your
time.

Alexander J.

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Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 16:00:39 -0500
From: "4 Wilsons" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) mobility

Okay.. here go my replies for the last couple issues of mobility!!!

>Have you seen the new commercial for some quesadilla recipe, where it
shows
>two stereotypical teenage boys acting extremely stupid? They smell 'good'
>food, think it's take-out night, and go to the kitchen where they tell the
>Mom how great she is, and that she should learn the recipe for the
>quesadillas, when in fact she made them. They use words phrases like "Way
>cool, Mom!" & "Allright dude! Takeout night!" They reflect an America of
>idiot kids and condoning moms in an attempt to identify with the viewer.
>While they may succeed, I'm personally insulted by the way they show it as
>'OK' and 'normal' to be this way. Without saying or implying it, the
>commercial embraces this message: Stupidity is the norm, your kids are
>stupid, we at Acme food understand this, we understand each other, buy our
>product

The problem is that many people (for reasons I can't personally understand)
buy into
it, and do purchase these products.  The stereotyping in commercials REALLY
bugs me!
Especially the stereotype of the sappy housewife.  It makes me wonder what
effect exposing
children at a young age to this has on their development.

>It's too bad conformity is cool in my neighborhood. Lots of these kids
have
>amazing potential if only they can break the bonds of mediocrity taught to
>them by an insecure peer group, and parents neglecting to teach the value
of
>self.

Same in my neighborhood!!!  Although perspective on conformity could be
said
to be in the eye of the beholder - while conforming in musical taste or
clothing,
a closer look may reveal that some people do not conform as to their
hobbies
etc.
>The record companies cook up
>albums by a formula that sells just like McD's does with burgers. While
much
>of the music out there is fun, it doesn't demand anything of the listener,
>it doesn't reward the ponderance of itself, it doesn't grow in depth with
>time. It's just disposable styrofoam music that is fun, but ultimately
>harmful, not for what it does, but for what it doesn't do.

I agree totally!  It is so hard to find music that is anything more than
styrafoam
if you don't know where to look.  The same goes for movies... they are all
formula
done for quick cash.  It is seldom I come across a movie anymore that
surprises
me with its content/symbolisms/deeper meanings and implications.  Although
sometimes it is nice to have something to listen to that is quite one
dimensional.
In music messages are conveyed not only by lyrics, but by the music itself
- - as
emotions can be recreated by the artist in the listener whether or not
there are any
words in the song.  I like that when I listen to a Moby album every song is
not the
same (to me).  I guess I had to add a bit of Moby content to my message!!!

>i received my moby shirts in the mail today-the folks over at def also
sent
>me the honey t-shirt. it has the orange pumpkin on the front with
>moby-honey written on the back. it's a pleasure to do business with them.
>wuhoo!

Cool.. I also recieved my moby shirt on the same day... so I am figuring
they probably
ship all their foreign orders at once (I live in Canada also!!!)  However,
I didn't get a
Honey t-shirt, I got stickers of the pumpkin head!  I have yet to figure
out what to do
with them...

>i got 4 or 5 moby digests over the last few days. good to see, good to
see...

That is definately a positive thing.. I recieve the digest as well.. now I
get one every day
or so.. used to get them every few days.  The content of them has of late
become more
amusing as well... keep it up everyone!!!

>*Just a side note: what's Canadian TV like?  What percent of the shows are
American?

I don't watch teevee too much anymore cuz there aren't too many interesting
original
shows on.. but I'd have to say that a large percent of our shows are
american or other in
origin, for instance Simpsons, Startrek, american movies and so on..  A
problem here is
that canadian tv shows simply don't get the same amount of funding, and
often don't
attract enough viewers to keep on the air,although Due South is an
exception to that
rule!!!  My local station "the regional" is very cheesy... it reminds me of
SCTV- if anyone
remembers that show.  The big news one day was about dental hygienists
going around
and giving kids checkups in schools... wow!!!

Okay, enough of my babble!  Just out of curiousity, what model of
turntables do those
of you that have them use?

- -Jennafur!

quote- this is my quote -end quote  (wow, talented eh?)

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Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 16:09:44 -0500
From: "D Bergstrom" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) More Moby on Much Music!!

Yo.

anyone who wants to is more than welcome to join me in
bugging much music to play more Moby videos.  I've been
doing fine on my own (i think), everytime I emailed them saying PLAY
MOBY!  They did infact, play Moby.  But I'm sure they've heard
enough from me.  So anyone who wants to, drop R U Recieving?
(The Electronica *shudders at evil word* Showcase on Much Music)
a line they can be reached at [e-mail]
Any help with the harassment is more than welcome :)
Let's get Moby some more airplay!!!!
Their webpage is http://www.muchmusic.com/ru/ and i'm warning
everyone, its really REALLY bad. But at least its not AMP.
MTV is evil.

- -Kelly

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Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 13:50:02 +0000
From: mark reed <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) mass music market and oatmeal zombification

>What do you mean nobody fucks with you??
>Does a shaved head look intimidating to some people?
to some yes, but people who judge purely on your hair really are a bit
shallow.
- --
mark reed

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Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 23:20:51 +0100
From: "Eagle" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) MTV

>
> MTV is evil.
>
> -Kelly
>
From your last couple of mails I get the impression that you have something
against MTV. Not knowing how the North American version of MTV compares to
MTV Europe it's difficult for me to gauge your opinion. However, the MTV
Europe shows "Alternative Nation", "Party Zone" and "Chillout Zone" have
probably introduced me to more Ambient/Electronic/Alternative artists than
by just reading music mags etc.

Just my thoughts,

Eagle

NP _Moby_ (initial introduction to me courtesy of MTV)

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