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mobility-digest       Tuesday, November 17 1998       Volume 01 : Number 265



(mobility) random musings, responses, etc.
(mobility) micronesia
(mobility) vids
RE: (mobility) micromemory enhancement burger
(mobility) what have we done??
(mobility) what???
Re: (mobility) micronesia
Re: (mobility) Thanks2 stuff
Re: (mobility) MP3s (long)
Re: (mobility) micronesia
Re: (mobility) still depressed.....
Re: (mobility) Re: mobility-digest V1 #262
(mobility) sumimasen...

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Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 14:29:03 -0800 (PST)
From: Paul Simpson <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) random musings, responses, etc.

YYYYYYYYO!

First of all, whoever said about this....

THERE IS NO FUCKING CHANUKAH BUSH!!!!!
somebody made this up so it would look like we had a version of a
christmas tree. as if we were trying to compete with christians. we
are not trying to compete with christians. maybe there is a reason
chanukah and christmas are close to each other, i dont know, its
probably real obvious. but don't talk about a chanukah bush ok?

AND PLEASE DONT TURN THIS INTO A THREAD/DISCUSSION/ARGUMENT/VERBAL
BEATDOWN.

sorry if i sound mean today, im really not. actually, im smiling, im
quite happy, i swear! and im not depressed listening to elliott smith!

AAAAAAAAANYWAY, i hate the word electronica. (my parents use it now,
its so Ick.) i hat the word techno. of course, my definition of
electronica is diffrent than any1 elses. i think elec... is what most
people call "big beat", (a term i also h8) which is chem-ish
breakbeats, lots of squiggly noises....chems are the ideal
"electronica/big beat" artists. i probly call "big beat" stuff
"electronica" because i dont use the term "big beat". but i never use
the term "electronica" any way. besides, most trendy lil' hip kids who
listen to "electronica" (every1 elses definition) listens to mostly
"big beat" anyway. i mean thats whats most popular in this shithole
country with no good taste in music. if you can call it popular.

GOD i sound mad. sorry.

but i mean really, does Brian Eno or, like FAX stuff scream out
"Electronica!" when you hear it? i dont think so. Junkie XL and Fatboy
Slim do.

besides, labels suck. if all the records were in one section, id
recognize by name anyway. or sound. i dont buy records cuz the title
sounds cool. unless their at the goodwill store. course, im only a kid.

anyway, that wiretrip thing didnt work for me either. Whuzzup man?

andy davis....luv that Ryu-ish sig!!! you should dip back into the
archives and use one of his Alec Empire or Prince sigs for a real
tribute. anyone know his birthday? we could make it a holiday, right
up there with Moby day! wait, we  don't have a Moby day. well we
shoul. but i guess its still a bit late for that, right?

Ick. message too long. must leave now. bye.

==
"i think we should call it 'the motherfucker'"-Henry Rollins,
talking about "El Nino", from his new CD _Think Tank_
>>>>>>>>>>PAUL<<<<<<<<<<



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Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 14:41:24 -0800
From: danny legare <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) micronesia

hi all,

could i be the only one who thinks 'micronesia' is a stellar track?

i just made a tape, this one will stick for a while (i usually make 3-4 a
month):

side a:
selected tracks from 'sunday 8pm' faithless

side b:
for an angel (angel in heaven radio mix)-paul van dyke
for an angel (e-werk club mix)-paul van dyke
next is the e (invisible brothers mix)
hymn (this is my dream)
shining
micronesia
honey (rollo & sister bliss blunt edit)
feeling so real (main mix)
into the blue (voodoo child mix)
dog heaven (uk album version)

that paul van dyke track is absolutely beautiful, in a non-cheezy robert
miles kinda way>

anyone know what his new record is like? saw the 2cd set of his latest...

loving my five moby shirts. all of them.

peace love and pitbulls,
dan


Dan Legare
Nettwerk Productions
phone:[phone]
fax:[phone]
http://www.nettwerk.com

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Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 14:44:45 -0800 (PST)
From: Paul Simpson <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) vids

how many vids doess moby have?

muchmusic is pretty cool. better than our stupid channel here. but not
as cool as M2 (coolest channel in the world)

but i  only watch AMP cuz its the only game in town. that show sounds
pretty cool, tho, on much.

i requested that AMP play moby many times, and theyve played jbt and
go. but ive really hounded them to straighten up and fly right. theyve
imporved some over a few weeks ago, but it still isnt good like the
old amp when they did the credits in their special AMP font.

whatever. i think i made a difference, so telling these guys to make a
difference might help.

rolling stone has a video-on demand thing. it has tons of atr vids,
tons of manson videos, but no moby! yall should request some.

bye. hey this one was moby-related!!!!! ;)

==
"i think we should call it 'the motherfucker'"-Henry Rollins,
talking about "El Nino", from his new CD _Think Tank_
>>>>>>>>>>PAUL<<<<<<<<<<



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Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 17:48:24 -0500
From: Steve Giles <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (mobility) micromemory enhancement burger

To the turntable question: I use Gemini PT-2000s. Next best thing to 1200s,
in design they're just as good but certain parts are plastic as opposed to
the Technics metal, therefore they have a shorter lifespan and less
durability. But great tables nonetheless.

I haven't heard the Honey B-Sides yet! I'll get the 2 CDs soon enough, I
hope.

I like your tapes, Dan! I have the US Words/For An Angel remixes 12", are
those the same as on your tape, do you know? I like them too. I'm planning a
tape like yours with many of the same trancy techno type songs.

I like my three Moby shirts. Even though I can't wear the tank top. My
favorite is a light blue v-neck t-shirt, short sleeve, with white
'sweatpants' style thick stripes ringing the sleeves, and a flourescent
orange old moby logo embroidered on the left breast.

Great quote, Paul S. LOL.

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Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 15:09:37 -0800 (PST)
From: BRIAN HOVEY <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) what have we done??

Well i guess that i have sat out long enough. Ive been reading
everything thing that comes across my e-mail every day and have said
nothing......so now is  the time.

the deal with cd clubs??????? Who cares this is an arguement that i
have seen and listened to for a while now and my feelings are that if
an artist isnt going to boycot a company then they must be getting
some thing out of it and that means that i dont go sticking my nose
there

The lable that "suits" have put on the music .......again who cares it
dosent matter to me if what i listen to is called  "flap jack run
around crack jack crap"....its music and if it makes you feel good and
you conect with it thats great but getting all pissed because
somebody(s) gave it a lable is pretty childish.

the debate of MTV honestly Mtv happens to be the only station around
that we can see videos by Daft Punk, Orbital, Meatbeat, RSW, Dj Punk
Rock, ect ect... I think that we should embrace this program and push
for more nights on MTV.....face it if your concerned about the "music
form",going comerical....well wake up and turn on your tv....Djs
groups and yes even Moby have had their music being used to shop us
items. So embrace this form and try to make it better or...push Much
Music into programing.


Any way now that is all out of the way my name is Brian and I live in
Conn Im 25 and have been a fan of Mobys for quite some time. I have
met the little idiot a few times and have a few cartoon drawings from
him.
I just recently got the honey cds and they are incrediable i cant wait
for the whole album.
my music goes all over the place from the smits to low,
from slayer to Faithless.
So i will start to write some more this seemed to make me feel a
little better.

peace and love

- -Bri


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Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 21:09:27 -0000
From: "Geoffrey Sproule" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) what???

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mutelib do not have underwater i phoned them and they said it was a =
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ps my listening range includes death in vegas, prodigy, nirvana, =
orbital, atari teenage riot, bjork, faithless, beck, supergrass, =
plecabo, lo fidelity allstars, propellorheads, lestfield, crystal =
method, orb, 808 state, chemical brothers, mogwai, primal scream, =
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skunk anasie, meticallica etc etc etc



how could i go about re mixing a song for inclusion on the thanks 2 cd

is it proper remixes or is it like the beck fan cd


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Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 15:23:11 +0000
From: clay <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) micronesia

dan>

paul van dyk's work is always
tight.....real tight
but he always sounds kinda like paul van dyk.........
i haven't heard his solo work
so i can't say........
i wouldn't expect a ton of surprises but if consistency is waht you want
then he is certainly consistent.


and yes....micronesia is one beautiful track.


clay

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Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 13:02:31 -1000
From: [e-mail] (urreax6c aka yesti)
Subject: Re: (mobility) Thanks2 stuff

>> good as a cd. But if you try to use WinAmps' decode to *.wav
>feature, you
>> will face a degradation of sound.

>I've never actually used winamp for that, so I wouldn't know.
>But I can say that l3dec works great and I have literally decoded
>thousands of mp3s with l3dec and it works fine.
>Seems strange though, that you start with an mp3 either way,
>only with playing through the soundcard and recording to DAT isn't
>it translated in analog before it gets recorded as digital again?
>And decoding to WAV is entirely digital. Maybe your DAT just makes
>things sound a bit better somehow?
>paul

does winamp really do compression/expansion of the song as it plays it?
damnit, those programmers really hit all the bases, eh?

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Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 13:32:39 -1000
From: [e-mail] (urreax6c aka yesti)
Subject: Re: (mobility) MP3s (long)

i wrote:

>> but arent waves the best representation of an analog signal we have?

you wrote:
>Yes, or AU which takes up much more room. I never said the WAV
>format had any problems, it's the people and the systems recording
>the WAV that create the artifacts.

.au isnt a compression scheme?  i gotta try it out now.....with small
files :)
<time passes> ohhh, in cooledit you can save .au linear pcm style.

i wrote:

>> i havent come across a encoder that offers as many options as
>soundlimit, but i would appreciate any advice/help that anyone can give
on this

you wrote:

>What options? I've never seen that encoder. The most options I've
>seen would be the original l3enc for DOS.

i can up you a copy of version 1.5 for your evaluation if you wish.
i still havent gotten a chance to eval ver 2.0 yet, but i have it.

i wrote:

>> sound limit allows you to encode joint stereo

<from cool96 help file:>
Joint Stereo:  For stereo files, choosing Joint Stereo will combine the
lower frequency bands and encode them as if they were mono with some
extra information so the decoder can still place the audio into the
proper channels.  Normally, one cannot tell the difference between audio
saved with Joint Stereo or without, except for the fact that with Joint
Stereo in effect, it may sound better, because there will be more room to
save information about the higher frequencies.

(interesting last sentence, eh?)

>>dual channel

still a mystery...anyone?

>> it allows for model 1 or 2 psychoacoustics

Psychoacoustics:  This refers to the way a person perceives audio, and
the model used determines which frequencies are assumed to mask other
frequencies.  That is, if a certain sound cannot be heard over another,
that sound is not saved.  In tests, it seems that Model 2 (AT&T) sounds
best, but you may wish to try each model and compare since it may also be
heavily dependent on the type of audio being compressed.

(thanks a lot for this conclusive help :P.....encode twice and see which
is "better")

>> decoder de-emphasis

De-emphasis for decoder:  If the audio has been pre-emphasized, you
should choose the type of de-emphasis you would like the decoder to
perform.  CooláEdit has no pre-emphasis functions, so in general this
option should be set to None.

(anyone know how to tell if your audio has been pre-emphasized?  almost
sounds like a dolby scheme)

>> private bit tagging

????

you wrote:

>I'm not sure what many of those options really mean. Do you know
>if it uses the Fraunhoffer codec standard?

i dont recall, ill check their website (http://www.dnttm.ro/edc) and see
if they boast that it does or boast that their codec is better :)


>Try encoding the same song with that and with mp3 producer pro

i used to use mp3 producer, but it only supports bitrates up to 128, so
after i found soundlimit, i switched.

>or even better l3enc...then decode them back into wavs and run
>fournier analysis to determine the frequncy response.

okey dokey, ill give it a shot over thanksgiving, too much homework till
then ;P

peace out, and keep on encoding!

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Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 21:07:10 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (mobility) micronesia

micronesia is beautiful...elie

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Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 19:41:36 -0800
From: "Dr. Killpatient" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) still depressed.....

AJ Brustein wrote:
>
> Off topic. Totally.
> Yes, I think Globe is good. No, I don't think they are extremely talented. AI
> don't know if the kids here are smarter or just eating it up, but the CDs are
> soo damn expensive here that they had better follow their tastes unless daddy
> drives  Mercedes. All of the J-Pop is like the Spice Girls. I like the Spice
> Girls, but kno wthey are pretty much talentless. Globe is more along the lines
> of Ray of Light than Spice World, but it really has something that makes me
> not want to take it out of the CD player. Try and findit online somewhere on
> RA.
>
> And to Kelly - I don't know if you are into Orbital, but you should join the
> Orbital Mailing list. There is a girl on the list who is exactly like you and
> also lives in Canada. Maybe Toronto or Montreal. Aimee I think. You should
> check it out. LAter.
> AJ

He's right- I agree...her name is Aimee (I'm on the Orbital list too)
paul

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Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 21:47:24 -0800
From: "Andrew Mullen" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) Re: mobility-digest V1 #262

- -----Original Message-----
From: April Kilduff <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
Date: Tuesday, November 17, 1998 8:22 AM
Subject: (mobility) Re: mobility-digest V1 #262


>                      RE>mobility-digest V1 #262                   11/17/98
>
>
>and suits are well known for abusing everybody in their path in
>the name of profits. I could write an essay on the evils of mass marketed
>music,

what do you mean by "mass marketed"? Moby could be considered to be mass
marketed....
>
>they help the corporations market music to the mindless many.

that's such a tired cliche.
>
>
>do you really think that the mass market is mindless? that seems really
>insulting. i've noticed musicians and nonmusicians consume music at rather
>different standards. just because a band isn't totally innovative and
original
>doesn't mean they can't be appreciated for other reasons, such as sentiment
or
>emotion or amusement. and sure there are some "suits" that are only out for
a
>buck, but i've met a lot of them who just want their product to find its
way
>to people for whom it will be useful. hence the use of target marketing.
>
>these are just some thoughts of mine. it still scares me when people
>automatically use the words "suits" and "evil" together.
>
>adios,
>april.

I have to agree with April. Some people are so god-damned closed minded!
It's like, "normal society is evil, but my little nitch is special!"
I, personally, have found (many)"ravers" , or whatever you might call them,
to be some of the most closed minded people involved in music. Peace, love,
and togetherness? yah, right. It's all about who's the coolest: dancer, dj,
musician, dresser, etc.  I don't have a job in which I have to wear a suit,
but I've met a lot of nice & interesting people who do. True open-mindedness
means embracing everyone: the "suits", the "junkies", the "ravers", every
little clique has it's bad and good seeds (I suppose someone will want to
argue about what constitutes bad and good...). but, like April, I'm
disturbed that people can, so easily, label someone as evil based on the
clothes they wear. It seems a little immature, eh?

I'm sorry to be negative but occasionally people say things that agitate me.
that's my $.02.

- --andrew
[e-mail]
>
>
>
>

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Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 21:54:18 -0800
From: "Andrew Mullen" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) sumimasen...

"I don't know a damn thing about anything."
- --negativland

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