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mobility-digest       Monday, November 16 1998       Volume 01 : Number 262



Re: (mobility) paul in vegas (no death)
Re: (mobility) Moby vs.
Re: (mobility) Moby vs.  "cd clubs"
(mobility) Re: electronica???
(mobility) Thanks2
Re: (mobility) better late than never
Re: (mobility) My (dumb) Moby question...
Re: (mobility) DAT Info...
Re: (mobility) MOBY live album
(mobility) still depressed.....
Re: (mobility) Re: electronica???
RE: (mobility) Re: electronica???
RE: (mobility) Re: electronica???
RE: (mobility) Re: electronica???

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Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 13:20:22 CST
From: "Derek Goodwrench" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) paul in vegas (no death)

>i found a virgin megastore that had honey remixes for 6 bucks. but i
>didnt get it. i got meat beat manifesto original fire (with its the
>music, with that jimmy swaggert sample)
>

     I've got 'Original Fire' (bought it because of "Helter Skelter
'97") and it's really good. Definitely different from anything I've ever
heard before. That Orb remix is great. A bit long, though.
     Best Buy also had the Honey single and remixes for $5.99 each,
while Sam Goody has the single for $6.99.


     Electro or Organic?,

              d


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Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 11:23:49 PST
From: "Jake M." <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) Moby vs.

>Now, I have a question for "the list" (anybody that would be so kind as
to
>respond)...
>
>--Does anyone, besides me, listen to anything other than electronic
>music?
 I listen to very little "electronic music". I mostly listen to Brit.
Pop/Rock (Manic street preachers, Depeche Mode (kind of electronic),
Radiohead, Oasis, Pulp etc...) and Rap (Tupac, Ice Cube, Spice 1, Too
Short etc...) and then some rock (REM, BNL, Fishbone etc...)as for
electronic I usually just listen to Moby, BT, and older stuff, Altern8,
Older Prodigy, etc... not a big fan of the newer stuff.

>--Does anyone, besides me, cringe at pretentiousness in all it's ugly
>forms?
Si senor
>--Does anyone, besides me, feel it's a waste of time to argue about
>"who's
>right"?
unless its politics ;P

Jake

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Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 14:45:19 -0500
From: "D Bergstrom" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) Moby vs.  "cd clubs"

> Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1998 21:05:20 -0800
> From: "Andrew Mullen" <[e-mail]>
> Subject: Re: (mobility) Moby vs.  "cd clubs"
>
> I'm sorry to interrupt, but I feel this bickering about nothing is
> completely silly. I've belonged to several CD clubs (and I always recycle
> paper and cardboard mind you!), but doesn't it seem like a total waste of
> energy to be so involved with who's right here? Stop trying to "out tuff"
> each other about something so ridiculous...

I agree.  I never should have brought any of this up.  I hate these clubs,
other
people love them *shrugs* whatever makes them happy.

>
> Now, I have a question for "the list" (anybody that would be so kind as
to
> respond)...
>
> - --Does anyone, besides me, listen to anything other than electronic
music?
> (I'm trying to get a feel of how open minded this group really is, and
I'm
> not just talking about listening to "A.R."  :)

OH OH OH OH! Right here!
I'm really into punk.  NOFX kicks ass. I love those guys. Warped Tour
kicked ass this year.
as i said in an earlier post, 80's music is pretty cool to me, but then
that's sorta electronic.
Right this very second I'm listening to Marilyn Manson's new album.  I
think he's pretty
cool, but I really dislike the whole Mansonite poser scene around where I
live. Ick.
Oh yeah. I REALLY like Rage Against the Machine, whatever that counts as.
And anyone
who's even *slightly* into hip hop MUST check out BTK.  Local Toronto boys,
but they're soooo
good!

> - --Does anyone, besides me, feel it's a waste of time to argue about
"who's
> right"?

But its so much fun! :) Seriously, its a waste of time, but I do it a lot
anyway.  But if
I find I'm doing it too much I'll just remove myself from the situation and
just write
everything off.  That works for dealing with psycho stalker people (a story
for another
day) but isn't that sorta what this list is about?  Exchanging opinions?
Okay fine,
maybe we're taking it too far.  I won't comment on the situation anymore.
I think.

- -Kelly

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Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 14:58:27 -0500
From: "D Bergstrom" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) Re: electronica???

>Date: 16 Nov 1998 09:45:22 -0600
>From: "April Kilduff" <[e-mail]>
>Subject: (mobility) Re: electronica???

>                      RE>electronica???
>11/16/98

>hi. i have a question in response to one of kelly's posts.
>what exactly is
>problematic about the word "electronica"? is it the actual
>word you don't like
>or the fact that it is a label. i'm not judging, just curious
>because it seems
>to polarize a lot of people.

>muchos gracias,
>april.

I personally don't like it cause its over used and it's such a buzz word.
It's like a bunch of 8
year olds running around trying to use the new word they just learned as
much as possible.
Plus, it doesn't mean anything (to me at least).  If someone says "that's
electronica" I wouldn't
have any idea what they were talking about.  Sure, I'd know that it would
be music that was
electronic and probably with a very generic beat, but that's just what I
think when I hear that
evil word.  Electronica can mean anything from Underworld to KMFDM's new
album, depending
on who you talk to.

Personally, I'd rather a more descriptive word used to describe a
style of music (freestyle, house, electro-industrial, drum n bass...
ANYTHING!) instead of
such a broad and misused term.  But if you're using the word in a general,
umbrella sense
I guess its okay.  Now I'm rambling... blah.  I'm going to go and try and
find an old post on
alt.music.techno or alt.rave to find the actual definition of electronica
(and techno and drum
and bass and jungle) so maybe we can set this matter straight.  Or not.
*shrugs*

- -Kelly

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Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 15:08:19 -0500
From: "4 Wilsons" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) Thanks2

Howdy again everyone,

I am working on artwork for thanks2, but donnot have a scanner and
therefore cannot send it to you via email (it is not done on computer
either).  I was wondering if anyone would volunteer to scan it for me?  If
you could pleeze give me your address it would be greatly appreciated!!!
If not, I don't mind, as I can always tie a ribbon to it and hang it off my
christmas tree/wreath/channuka bush!!!

>What do you girls on the list think of Moby's shaved head(I'm assuming
>it's still shaved?)? Do you find it attractive, ugly, or you just don't
>care?   Cum on, let me know!

Well, personaly I think a shaved head is quite practical... no split ends,
inexpensive to cut, easily washable - won't take a long time to dry!  As
far as the attraction factor goes, I find moby attractive for what he does,
not his shaved head... but at least he has a nicely shaped head (as far as
I know).  I am afraid that if I shaved my head I would find out that my
head had an ugly shape or something, but then it would be amusing to see
what kind of solutions there were for that!

>Now, I have a question for "the list" (anybody that would be so kind as to
>respond)...
>--Does anyone, besides me, listen to anything other than electronic music?

- -yep, I listen to all kinds of stuff, I find it hard to classify as to what
some
of it actually is.. although half the time i can't remember the name of
the song i just heard.... I don't prejudge a song by what genre it is
considered... Although there is definately some music I dislike... I am
about to lock my dad in the basement cuz he listens to the same
Alabama song day after day after day...   ... after day, after day!!
So I guess I might be predjudiced against Alabama songs...
(sorry if i offend any Alabama fans!)  *smile*

>--Does anyone, besides me, cringe at pretentiousness in all it's ugly
forms?
That would depend on the degree of pretentiousness, and who it was
aimed at
>--Does anyone, besides me, feel it's a waste of time to argue about "who's
>right"?
Depends on the subject matter... if the argument is one such as "homeless
people are on the streets cuz they are to lazy to work" I do not think it
would
be a waste of time to argue (and I'd argue against this matter).  However,
if
the subject matter was "who left that kleenex there?!" it would be a waste
of
time (in my opinion).

>--Can someone tell me if it's O.K. to send a DAT with the Moby cover song
on
>it?
I have no idea!!!
>BTW, I'm covering "No Buttons To Push/Heaven"...

>If someone could respond, I'd be much obliged...
Ha! Ha! Ha! I have responded!  Now I own your soul!!!  *kidding!!!*

laters!!!

- -Jennafur!

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Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 14:06:21 CST
From: "Derek Goodwrench" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) better late than never

>First the goatee, then the haircut...what's happening to the man?
>The new album is tentatively scheduled for February I believe.  I'm
sure it
>won't be out then though-Downward Spiral took soooooo long to come out,
same
>with Broken.


      Of course, Trent's gone through so many different changes. He's
had his hair braided, with dreadlocks, and so forth. I used to be really
into NIN, but not much anymore. I had PHM, Broken, Fixed, MOTP (both
parts), TDS, FDTS (regular and an imported version, which I sold, but
kept the patch that came with it :-), and the NBK soundtrack (which
wasn't my cup of tea by any means.)
      I'm rambling, so spank me.


     Nobody's slave,

            d


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Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 15:15:40 -0500
From: "D Bergstrom" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) My (dumb) Moby question...

Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 02:27:06 -0600
From: "Brad Caviness" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) My (dumb) Moby question...

>Okay, I know this is a lame subject, but here goes;
>does anyone know why Moby shaves his head??
>For the same reasons monks do(which I don't know),or maybe just for the
>hell of it, or for erotic reasons?

I think I read someplace that he thinks he has an accountant's hair line or
something.  Whatever that means.  I remember when I saw the video for
Go for the first time I had to laugh cause he does look sorta goofy with
hair.  But that's just my opinion.

>What do you girls on the list think of Moby's shaved head(I'm assuming
>it's still shaved?)? Do you find it attractive, ugly, or you just don't
>care?   Cum on, let me know!
>

*drool* Moby has a purdy head :)~

Seriously, I think it suits him.  As I said above, he looks funny with
hair, to me.
But then, I tend to like guys with shaved heads.  For the longest time I
had a thing
for Charlie Paulson (guitar player from Goldfinger who has a clean shaven
head and
wears a dog collar sometimes).  Richie Hawtin is pretty hot too (btw
there's a write
up on him in the Toronto Star today (monday) its avalible online at:
http://www2.thestar.com/thestar/editorial/entertainment/981116ENT01b_EN-PLAS
TIK16.html
if anyone cares.  Its pretty cool.)

Anyway, shaved heads are pretty cool.  I like them(including moby's) but
then that's just me.
You're reading a post from a girl who
thinks Pinhead (yes, the Hellraiser guy) is gosh darn it!  A pretty damn
sexy man! or
demon.  or bad guy.  Whatever.  Pinhead's cool.  On a side note, I'm
seriously considering
shaving MY head (yes, i know i'm a gurl and gurls don't do this too often)
because I
don't know what to do with my hair.  I WAS going to dye it black but the
appeal isn't
there anymore.  And I'm too impatient to let it grow for a few more months
to get the
dreads I've been dreaming of for years now.
Blah.  Off topic.  Moby's head is very nice looking.
And that's my two cents.

- -Kelly

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Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 04:23:11 -0500
From: "Valerie Giordano" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) DAT Info...

Lemme ask my fiance.. He went to some audio school in NYC and he's an audio
engineer and knows that kind of stuff.. If i have missed your question,
please repeat it so I can relay it back to him. Thanks

Valerie



> > Did everyone else miss Greg's post about DAT?
> > He said that he has a DAT drive in his computer (for data storage)
> > but he does not have a DAT player for audio. If anyone knows
> > how to read DAT audio with a DAT drive inthe computer, please
> > speak up. I'm thinking that it's not possible because the computer
> > will probably only read DATs that are formatted a certain way-
> > I've never heard of anyone doing this either.
>
> I decided to get off my butt and start looking into this.  A good source
> for anyone interested is the "DAT-heads" mailing list.  Check out FAQs,
> digests, etc. at :
>
> http://www.eklektix.com/dat-heads/
>
> Unfortunately, I haven't been able to find a definitive answer.  Some
> MAYBEs, and some NOs.  I found the below message (in the archive)
> intersting:
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>

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Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1998 11:25:37 +0000
From: mark reed <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) MOBY live album

Could this possihbly be Wonderbread? He recorded it in 1984 for a punk
7" and revitalised it on his 96 tour?

>>Yes, that's definitely it.  Can you describe that unidentified punk song,
>>Jon?  BTW, thanks for what you're doing!  Moby needs a live album. :)
>>
>
>

- --
mark reed

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Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 13:14:17 -0800 (PST)
From: Paul Simpson <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) still depressed.....

still depressed that ryu left....

i feel like my pet died or something......

anyway, is ryu still having a song on thanks 2? i fucking doubt it.

um, is globe really that good? i've heard of a lot of japanese bands
(and not just those hip ones like cornelius or fantastic plastic
machine or takako minekawa) but are they actually good? see i read the
international charts in billboard magazine, so i know who's hot in
these countrys. and DAMN europes charts rule, expecially england! but
are these bands just on the charts cuz there actually good, or cuz the
kiddies eat it up? or do the kiddies have better taste over there? or
something?

um....o yeh, moby on cleopatra....hmmmm, that would be weird. i
couldnt imagine. theyd probably make the music a lot darker, no more
"FSR" or "EYTM". it would be all "unloved symph" or AR, LI....yeah
that would be interesting tho.

no i havent heard thatt Hooverphonic song, heard "Club Monte...."(fuck
the spelling) and thought it was _ok_, but no "2 wicky".

anyone heard "I just don't give a fuck" by Eminem? coolest rapper
since dr. octagon.


bye

np:elliott smith (not really....but im just saying that cuz im
depressed. ok, hes playing in my head...)
==
"Be a mensch, not a schmendrick"-Alice, from that great lost
tv show _The Critic_
>>>>>>>>>>PAUL<<<<<<<<<<


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Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 15:49:53 -0600
From: Christopher Michael Bourke <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) Re: electronica???

>my problem with the term [electronica] is that it is entirely overused and
limiting, such
>as "an electronica artist by trade does not write punk rock songs"
>technically its a truth, but it is rather vauge: what is an electronica
>artist? what is a punk rock song,exactly?


This is interesting.  In Music theory, traditional music, even up to the
advent of rock n' roll in the 50s and early 60s can easily be categorized
depending on the chord and harmonic structure, beat structure and what not.
Even periods are easily distinquished through music history, Baroque,
Romantic etc.   Perhaps enough time has to pass for historians to properly
categorize musical and stylistic movements.  I don't think the word has any
relevance today, but perhaps in the many years to come, music theory will
adopt it as a term denoting certain characteristics that will by then be
easily defined.  No?

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Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 17:42:19 -0500
From: Steve Giles <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (mobility) Re: electronica???

Electronica.

People hate this word because suits use it as a buzzword to promote the next
big thing, and suits are well known for abusing everybody in their path in
the name of profits. I could write an essay on the evils of mass marketed
music, but that would be a waste of time, you all understand, and hey, why
preach to the choir?

It's also sometimes used to help people get an idea what they are buying.
Categories are a double edged sword, they are both helpful and harmful. They
help listeners buy what they like, they help the corporations market music
to the mindless many.

I think this why we see such of difference of opinion on this subject.
Certain people's distaste for this word stems from a distaste for the whole
MTV/Radio music abuse for money strategy that 'they' use. Those who are
indifferent recognize the positive use of the word.

Moby rules.

- -Steve Giles

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Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 16:43:19 -0600
From: "Andrew J. Davies" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (mobility) Re: electronica???

> This is interesting.  In Music theory, traditional music, even up to the
> advent of rock n' roll in the 50s and early 60s can easily be categorized
> depending on the chord and harmonic structure, beat structure and what not.
> Even periods are easily distinquished through music history, Baroque,
> Romantic etc.   Perhaps enough time has to pass for historians to properly
> categorize musical and stylistic movements.  I don't think the word has any
> relevance today, but perhaps in the many years to come, music theory will
> adopt it as a term denoting certain characteristics that will by then be
> easily defined.  No?
>

I give this Theory 101 short essay an A+!!!  Good ideas...I have to say I would buy into this thinking!

andy
gingerbread man

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Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 17:53:22 -0500
From: "Eric M. Goldberg" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (mobility) Re: electronica???

Why cant it just be called Electronic Music..

Electronica for all we know could be some band or
a brand new toaster that is digital!
it doesnt have any musical meaning in the word..

but electronic music.. hmmmm gee whats that mean!?
yeah its a broad category, oh but its soo much better
than having to go ohhh this is trip-snip-californian-hip-hop!

tho i do agree it is useful in some ways (not electronica)
the subcategories..

but for me if its got a keyboard or cool synth sound its
electronic! fooey..

I dont know its just my opinion..
- -
Oh and about "what else do we listen to"
I'm a huge Film Music listener..
and almost any sort of string arrangement

thanks
caffeine injected eric

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