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mobility-digest      Thursday, November 12 1998      Volume 01 : Number 254



Re: (mobility) singles ...  two sides on every coin
Re: (mobility) Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1998 23:07:53 -0800
Re: (mobility) singles ...  two sides on every coin
(mobility) I too enjoy the deepsea turbulence and mermaid scales
(mobility) I too enjoy the deepsea turbulence and mermaid scales
(mobility) a short subject
RE: (mobility) a short subject
(mobility) t2
Re: (mobility) Things that make you say ouch!
Re: (mobility) Re: Sat, 7 Nov 1998 23: to tim and bunch

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Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 19:27:01 +0000 (GMT)
From: Tim Beecher <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) singles ...  two sides on every coin

On Thu, 12 Nov 1998 14:10:31 -0500 Steve Giles
<[e-mail]> wrote:

> Good solution, Tim! Non-for-profit comp, and then on the side a donation
> fund for the designated charity. Two completely separate entities. If you're
> interested Tim, you could coordinate the charity donation thing. Personally,
> I agree with your other statement that the private way is better and easier.

Well actually I was thinking of doing that bit
myself believe it or not (as I am a member of AI - hence
my plug in the last e-mails - without sounding
self-righteous, just getting my point across), as I don't
have the equipment to make music like some of you guys and
some of you wouldn't like my style anyway and I'm obviously
far too naive when it comes to the music
industry/production side of things.
>
> I'd like to say that I think the comp IS important. Sure, all those worldly
> issues are important too, but who is to say music is tiny in the shadow of
> the world's problems? Without high living standards and luxuries like music,
> nobody would appreciate that others lack these things, and fewer would help.
> Also, if all you do as a person is help others, you are a good person. But
> most people wouldn't be happy doing this,  we need comforts and moments not
> burdened by the weight of the world.

Yes, see my last e-mail in response to
Andrew....agreed.....(I didn't want this to be a big deal
either)...okay Steve..thanks...I love you too...


TMB
>
>
- ----------------------
Tim Beecher
Cranfield University
[e-mail]

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Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 19:13:25 +0000 (GMT)
From: Tim Beecher <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1998 23:07:53 -0800

Yes, I was presumptuous, expecting everyone to be concerned
about these issues more than anything else. However, I
never thought anyone was trivial or less important than
myself. Everyone is equal in my book. Not just related
to the comp, but other discussions that have been made
on this list, made me want to shout out the important
bits and I'm not ashamed of that. But then I was hoping to
marry the trivial and the important ISSUES together into
something sort of, all round. Right I'm not explaining very
well and it doesn't matter. I've had my rant, my rave, my
sickness, my pain. I've gone through the drama queen phase,
babe. I'm chilled. Everyone's got the point I think!? If
not send a SAE to .....sorry I'm just about to go 'over the
wall'.

Anyway, I'd love to hear your music, amongst the other
official contributions. Music and what's being said can be
something important, right? Let's come together boys, girls
and those in between - peace and understanding.

Now look what you guys have done to me - made me all
emotional! The demons have been exorcised. I love you all -
newcomers, oldcomers and inbetweeners!

TMB.

P.S. Is this related, or not...? Doesn't matter - is
anybody still in contact with Ryu? Does anybody know if
he's alright? I mean I sort of miss his contributions. He
didn't leave because of the comp.
discussions(?)/arguments(?), did he, those who know him
well!? A decision like his must be well thought out, right,
or did he go 'over the wall'? I could sort of understand it
if he did, you know.



On Thu, 12 Nov 1998 10:43:26 -0800 Andrew Mullen
<[e-mail]> wrote:

> hello again. I completely understand the dilemma between doing what you want
> (i.e.: music) and doing what you feel you SHOULD do. wouldn't the world be
> in so much better shape if humans weren't around? I would venture to say (at
> least my presumption is) most people on this list are either
> environmentally/animal conscious or at least open minded to the idea. But,
> of course, I'm not naive to apathy either. I think it's easy to get inside
> of one's own head and think, "nobody understands how important this
> is...everyone else is so trivial except me" but sometimes the most peaceful
> way is to let go. I know that probably offends some but I feel it's silly to
> have the attitude of "no compromise/take no prisoners". I think there's a
> definite balance to be realized here, where everybody loses a little and
> gains a lot. I think we should all talk about important issues AND trivial
> ones (such as a music comp.) anyway, sorry to ramble...take it easy...
> (if anyone could supply me with an address to send submissions to that would
> be appreciated!!!)
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tim Beecher <[e-mail]>
> To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
> Date: Thursday, November 12, 1998 8:19 AM
> Subject: Re: (mobility) Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1998 23:07:53 -0800
>
>
> >
> >
> > Hmm, I sort of angrily disconnected myself from interest
> >in this compilation. So it's more to do with others on this
> >list than absolutely everyone, such as myself. I sort of got
> >annoyed that everyone seemed more concerned about making
> >this comp., boosting their collection and not giving a shit
> >about anything else, amongst other things, over the last
> >few months. Maybe I was wrong!?
> >
> >I would regard as more important, issues such as human
> >rights, environment and animal welfare. I don't mean to get
> >all 'goodie-2-shoes', heavy and depressing, but it would
> >mean far much more if the comp. was made with a view to
> >selling for a profit, so that profit went to an
> >organisation like Amnesty International, Greenpeace, or
> >something (then of course, who do we trust to guarantee the
> >money will get to these causes?). It's great that people
> >want to make music, I love music and after all this list
> >seems to be primarily concerned with music, but as we've
> >all heard so many times before, it's also all about Moby
> >and what he's all about and what he's trying to say through
> >his music.
> >
> >Maybe if all this was done 6 months ago, I would have been
> >less narky and far more interested in this comp, when life
> >was treating me a bit better. I'm sorry my attitude had to
> >come through to the list. Maybe I'm a woman trapped in a
> >man's body, or something!?
> >
> >Ciao fellow human beings,
> >
> >TMB.
> >
> >
> >----------------------
> >Tim Beecher
> >Cranfield University
> >[e-mail]
> >
> >
>
>
>
>

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Tim Beecher
Cranfield University
[e-mail]

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Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 19:27:01 +0000 (GMT)
From: Tim Beecher <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) singles ...  two sides on every coin

On Thu, 12 Nov 1998 14:10:31 -0500 Steve Giles
<[e-mail]> wrote:

> Good solution, Tim! Non-for-profit comp, and then on the side a donation
> fund for the designated charity. Two completely separate entities. If you're
> interested Tim, you could coordinate the charity donation thing. Personally,
> I agree with your other statement that the private way is better and easier.

Well actually I was thinking of doing that bit
myself believe it or not (as I am a member of AI - hence
my plug in the last e-mails - without sounding
self-righteous, just getting my point across), as I don't
have the equipment to make music like some of you guys and
some of you wouldn't like my style anyway and I'm obviously
far too naive when it comes to the music
industry/production side of things.
>
> I'd like to say that I think the comp IS important. Sure, all those worldly
> issues are important too, but who is to say music is tiny in the shadow of
> the world's problems? Without high living standards and luxuries like music,
> nobody would appreciate that others lack these things, and fewer would help.
> Also, if all you do as a person is help others, you are a good person. But
> most people wouldn't be happy doing this,  we need comforts and moments not
> burdened by the weight of the world.

Yes, see my last e-mail in response to
Andrew....agreed.....(I didn't want this to be a big deal
either)...okay Steve..thanks...I love you too...


TMB
>
>
- ----------------------
Tim Beecher
Cranfield University
[e-mail]

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Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 15:43:40 -0500
From: Steve Giles <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) I too enjoy the deepsea turbulence and mermaid scales

Much love to you, too, Tim.

Ok, here's where we're at with Thanks II.

The previous deadline of Thanksgiving will be reset soon. We'll decide that
once we set a timeline, which we'll do when Greg is ready. Due to setbacks
you already know about, much of our battle plan needs to be reorganized.
Greg is producing the comp. He's busy at the moment, but in a couple weeks
he'll be active on this. You'll need to talk to him about formats for
submissions.

As for track obligations, e Del Norte, it would be great if you set up a
page so we can keep track of what to expect.

As for track voting, if it's necessary, we'll have to find a volunteer with
space and time to set up a page for this. If there are less submissions than
a total of 70 minutes, we won't need this. We'll just put everything
submitted on the CD.

As for covers & back inserts, I think there are 5 entries right now. We
won't be voting on them until we reach our yet-to-be-set deadline. Entries
are still welomce, mail them to Ade. Here's the info you need.

Thanks II covers page:
http://picard.anderson.edu/~adekunle/mobility/

Ade's email for cover submissions:
[e-mail]


So for now, keep working on your covers/remixes or artwork, and pretty soon
we'll be in action.

- -Steve

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Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 15:43:40 -0500
From: Steve Giles <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) I too enjoy the deepsea turbulence and mermaid scales

Much love to you, too, Tim.

Ok, here's where we're at with Thanks II.

The previous deadline of Thanksgiving will be reset soon. We'll decide that
once we set a timeline, which we'll do when Greg is ready. Due to setbacks
you already know about, much of our battle plan needs to be reorganized.
Greg is producing the comp. He's busy at the moment, but in a couple weeks
he'll be active on this. You'll need to talk to him about formats for
submissions.

As for track obligations, e Del Norte, it would be great if you set up a
page so we can keep track of what to expect.

As for track voting, if it's necessary, we'll have to find a volunteer with
space and time to set up a page for this. If there are less submissions than
a total of 70 minutes, we won't need this. We'll just put everything
submitted on the CD.

As for covers & back inserts, I think there are 5 entries right now. We
won't be voting on them until we reach our yet-to-be-set deadline. Entries
are still welomce, mail them to Ade. Here's the info you need.

Thanks II covers page:
http://picard.anderson.edu/~adekunle/mobility/

Ade's email for cover submissions:
[e-mail]


So for now, keep working on your covers/remixes or artwork, and pretty soon
we'll be in action.

- -Steve

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Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 18:09:36 -0500 (EST)
From: "Eric M. Goldberg" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) a short subject

ok i havent had the wonderful chance to
read all of the emails but let me just
say THANKS is not to make money, its just
to make MUSIC which Moby of course has
made.
It has no intentions except to pay tribute to
Moby..
Theres no animal rights stuff subliminally put
into the music, its just moby's great music, covered
or remixed.

I dont want to sound harsh, but there were never
any bad intentions behind Thanks 1 or 2..
and although i'd like to take from the rich and
give to the poor theres no way we could make it
for a good cause..
This isnt a professional production its just a
few moby fans playing his music. if it was then
i think the cd wouldve been made a long time ago
and there wouldve been a THANKS 2 telethon to sell
the thing.

so sorry if i seem sarcastic but people are blowing
the whole idea of the cd out of proportion.

well ive said enough so cya
and if u must flame me, please personally do that
and not to the list.

eric

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Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 17:20:33 -0600
From: "Andrew J. Davies" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (mobility) a short subject

> say THANKS is not to make money, its just
> to make MUSIC which Moby of course has
> made.
> It has no intentions except to pay tribute to
> Moby..
> Theres no animal rights stuff subliminally put
> into the music, its just moby's great music, covered
> or remixed.
>
> I dont want to sound harsh, but there were never
> any bad intentions behind Thanks 1 or 2..
> and although i'd like to take from the rich and
> give to the poor theres no way we could make it
> for a good cause..
> This isnt a professional production its just a
> few moby fans playing his music. if it was then
> i think the cd wouldve been made a long time ago
> and there wouldve been a THANKS 2 telethon to sell
> the thing.
> eric

i totally agree with eric.  let's just have fun with this CD and let Moby
know how much we appreciate him -- for whatever reasons we personally do.
 keep wokin' on the remixes/covers/etc. (let greg know...) and let's see
some more entries for the artwork!  (those go to Ade!)

andy
gingerbread man
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           Andrew J. Davies

        [e-mail]
         Platteville, WI 53818
            (608.342.2255)

       [e-mail]
          Horicon, WI 53032
            (920.386.2596)
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Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 20:21:26 -0600 (CST)
From: theShackofXaq <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) t2

i was told by ryu that i'd have my "honey" remix on the t2 comp. i don't
know the current situation, but i expect to still be able to get it in.
why has this suddenly become so complicated?
too many thumbs in the pie, i say...
anyway, please tell me who to send my cd to.
thanks,
oh, and SEND ME THE INFO PERSONALLY!! there's been too much garbage here
lately.
[xaq]
"i think a lot, but it never helps me, so i stop.
            but i really enjoy thinking."
              Masafumi Sanai-photographer

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Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 18:48:58 -0800
From: "Dr. Killpatient" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) Things that make you say ouch!

Steve Giles wrote:
>
> Tim Beecher wrote:
> >Why do we have to make all of it official anyway? >
>
> If we get money from it without making it official, we've broken the law and
> are 'subject to prosecution'. Even if it's for a good cause and we don't
> profit personally , the fact that profit was earned in itself makes it a
> violation because that money would rightfully be Mute's, Elektra's &
> Instinct's. By NOT making profit the most they can do is tell us to stop.
> With technology (mp3s, for instance) and bootlegging (CDRs) on the rise
> record companies are taking violations very seriously as of late. I doubt
> the producers and contributors would not like the prospect of punishment to
> overshadow our dedication.
>
> Supposing that we were to make it official, and do all that, take a vote,
> etc., we'd have to make each person's contribution clearly marked and
> separated and registered for copyright purposes, get permission from however
> many record companies whose songs we're using, and even after all that the
> record companies would probably want a large portion of the profit, donating
> only a small amount to the charity/cause. Also, they'd be likely to turn us
> down because the market for this is so small. That would also bring their
> attention upon us, which could kill this in it's entirety. Thoughts,
> everybody?
>
> -Steve


Steve-
My compliments on what seems to be a realistic and insightful view
on the record industry, I agree with you on this. Although it is
different when dealing with remixes (anything using significant samples
of the original recordings) or cover versions (recorded entirely from
scratch, performed by you or your band). If the CD was to be all
cover versions it WOULD be realistic to release it legally, all we
would need to do is register with the Harry Fox Agency all intended
covers and we would be paying around 7 cents per song per CD and that
money would be going (minus admin fees) to the author of the song
which would be Moby himself and whoever else owns any of his publishing.

Although most of your message is speculation- it is an educated
guess and I think you are for the most part right.

Funny thing about the word "profit" though, it is not as simple
as the word implies legally- in the record industry it's common
for artists to have sold over 50,000 CDs and still not see a single
dime of "profit" due to the contracts most labels negotiate say
that the label will be paid back all funds going toward recording,
manufacturing, promoting, distributing, etc. Everything after that
is considered profit and often they never reach that point- in fact
some bands got such bad contracts they ended up owing the label
money when they don't sell enough albums (they obviously didn't
let a lawyer go over them before signing) Not that this has anything
to do with our project really, and in fact artists are getting
wiser all the time and deals getting to be more fair nowadays.
Even with a non-profit company, "profit" is one thing but there
is still salary for employees and legally they can pay themselves
whatever they want- some are good some are just scams.

I'd like to offer to handle this project, but someone already
seems to be willing- and I would want to know exactly how we
are planning on handling it. If it turns into a bigger deal than
we all originally thought, I'd be willing to help out because it
will be more work than one person could handle.

Also, since no one is ready to go to print right away anyways-
could we push the deadline for entries back to the end of the year?
Let's have a list of who's doing what and where they are at again.
paul

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Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 18:53:44 -0800
From: "Dr. Killpatient" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) Re: Sat, 7 Nov 1998 23: to tim and bunch

OK clay...that's the most you've written in months so I guess
the Captain must have made one excellent album there, I'll keep
my eye out for that.

you say captain, you say WOT?

paul

clay wrote:
>
> > Maybe if all this was done 6 months ago, I would have been
> > less narky and far more interested in this comp, when life
> > was treating me a bit better. I'm sorry my attitude had to
> > come through to the list. Maybe I'm a woman trapped in a
> > man's body, or something!?
> >
> > Ciao fellow human beings,
> >
> > TMB.
> >
> ))))))))))))))))))))))))))))hey tim and fellow roomies>
>
> man don't let the bedbugs and heavy bosses of the world (or your girl
> or guy) get your shit down!
> now that is easy for me to say
> (you might think) but i got a list of troubles starting at the age of
> twelve and as i am now 402
> i can cite shit that people can't even believe i've gone through to
> get to where i am today.........
> [which is somewhere near the mexican american border somewhere in san
> diego].
> first thing>
> when life is looking down
> and i mean this
> music can be a salvational force>
> if you need proof get captain sensible's
> universe of geoffrey brown
> it is the unkown sergeant pepper's of the 20th century>
> and a tonic unknown to most earthly regions.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>it really is about wearing a smile
> (after finding it....... somehow)
> in the midst of a dumb, crazy, chaotic, fucked up world
> full of nerds and pansies
> and generals and bankers and scientists who have no imagination>
> mind you
> i will buy any copy that anyone is uninterested in keeping.
> that is a promise>
> this cd is tough to find
> (there is NO justice ....to be sure)
>
> and mind you....and i hate to stomp on anybody's all-worshipping bones
> and moby has certainly done more than most in his pinky
> in a day than some in a lifetime
> but there is no record on earth that compares to this one>
> i repeat
> get the captain's
> universe of geoffrey brown>
> it's like aspirin
> it rocks
> plays twists kicks yer damned ass and is the most elegant thing ever
> imagined.....modern to the day it dies
> it is monty python, shakespeare and well.......the holocaust
> and a field of flowers on a starry night
> 3 old radicals
> bach....beethoven....mozart
> with a an orgasmic end that mel brooks and bob fosse might've dreamed
> up together>
>
> so believe me or believe me (YOU HAVE NO CHOICE CHILDREN!)
> or believe mtv and the world mind conspiarcy
> >>>>>>>>>>this shit blows it all away at some point>
> so tim brother>
> just hang in there in england and say hi
> to me friends and kick ol griff in the arse for me would ya>
>
> and then there's erasure's cowboy
> a far different cup o tea mind ya
> but the most uplifting piece of damned love
> me ears have tasted in a long long time
> and it still never gets old>
> mind you the day someone comes close to these funny boys
> in the love and sounds and good old ultra-mod songwriting
> department.....well.....i will gladly, gladly bow down!
>
> so
> save the fucking whales and humans and kick a rotter in the ass
> if ya can run fast enough but besides that
> just stay high (naturally if you can)
> and have a toast to the universe as ya know
> it ain't gon last forever
>
> clay
> evolution2000

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