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mobility-digest      Thursday, November 12 1998      Volume 01 : Number 253



RE: (mobility) Things that make you say ouch!
Re: RE: (mobility) Things that make you say ouch!
Re: (mobility) Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1998 23:07:53 -0800
(mobility) Re: Sat, 7 Nov 1998 23: to tim and bunch
(mobility) singles ...  two sides on every coin
Re: (mobility) I too enjoy the peaceful sounds like sheep and rockets colliding
Re: (mobility) Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1998 23:07:53 -0800

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Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 13:12:17 -0500
From: Steve Giles <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (mobility) Things that make you say ouch!

Tim Beecher wrote:
>Why do we have to make all of it official anyway? >

If we get money from it without making it official, we've broken the law and
are 'subject to prosecution'. Even if it's for a good cause and we don't
profit personally , the fact that profit was earned in itself makes it a
violation because that money would rightfully be Mute's, Elektra's &
Instinct's. By NOT making profit the most they can do is tell us to stop.
With technology (mp3s, for instance) and bootlegging (CDRs) on the rise
record companies are taking violations very seriously as of late. I doubt
the producers and contributors would not like the prospect of punishment to
overshadow our dedication.

Supposing that we were to make it official, and do all that, take a vote,
etc., we'd have to make each person's contribution clearly marked and
separated and registered for copyright purposes, get permission from however
many record companies whose songs we're using, and even after all that the
record companies would probably want a large portion of the profit, donating
only a small amount to the charity/cause. Also, they'd be likely to turn us
down because the market for this is so small. That would also bring their
attention upon us, which could kill this in it's entirety. Thoughts,
everybody?

- -Steve

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Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 18:27:45 +0000 (GMT)
From: Tim Beecher <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: RE: (mobility) Things that make you say ouch!

Okay, point taken. But there must be ways around it.
Alright, some of it might have to be official. Actually
forget the official. Why not get all us little Mobilites to
contribute a bit extra toward the official, non-profit
comp. Then, in our own little organised huddle, we can
cream off the donations that don't need to be made official
and give. Okay, unnecessary added confusion - just send to
your own little charities for Christmas or whenever on a
personal, private level. Just an idea - I can accept
rejection. Doesn't bother me, honest.

TMB.

On Thu, 12 Nov 1998 13:12:17 -0500 Steve Giles
<[e-mail]> wrote:

>
>
> Tim Beecher wrote:
> >Why do we have to make all of it official anyway? >
>
> If we get money from it without making it official, we've broken the law and
> are 'subject to prosecution'. Even if it's for a good cause and we don't
> profit personally , the fact that profit was earned in itself makes it a
> violation because that money would rightfully be Mute's, Elektra's &
> Instinct's. By NOT making profit the most they can do is tell us to stop.
> With technology (mp3s, for instance) and bootlegging (CDRs) on the rise
> record companies are taking violations very seriously as of late. I doubt
> the producers and contributors would not like the prospect of punishment to
> overshadow our dedication.
>
> Supposing that we were to make it official, and do all that, take a vote,
> etc., we'd have to make each person's contribution clearly marked and
> separated and registered for copyright purposes, get permission from however
> many record companies whose songs we're using, and even after all that the
> record companies would probably want a large portion of the profit, donating
> only a small amount to the charity/cause. Also, they'd be likely to turn us
> down because the market for this is so small. That would also bring their
> attention upon us, which could kill this in it's entirety. Thoughts,
> everybody?
>
> -Steve
>

- ----------------------
Tim Beecher
Cranfield University
[e-mail]

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Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 10:43:26 -0800
From: "Andrew Mullen" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1998 23:07:53 -0800

hello again. I completely understand the dilemma between doing what you want
(i.e.: music) and doing what you feel you SHOULD do. wouldn't the world be
in so much better shape if humans weren't around? I would venture to say (at
least my presumption is) most people on this list are either
environmentally/animal conscious or at least open minded to the idea. But,
of course, I'm not naive to apathy either. I think it's easy to get inside
of one's own head and think, "nobody understands how important this
is...everyone else is so trivial except me" but sometimes the most peaceful
way is to let go. I know that probably offends some but I feel it's silly to
have the attitude of "no compromise/take no prisoners". I think there's a
definite balance to be realized here, where everybody loses a little and
gains a lot. I think we should all talk about important issues AND trivial
ones (such as a music comp.) anyway, sorry to ramble...take it easy...
(if anyone could supply me with an address to send submissions to that would
be appreciated!!!)
- -----Original Message-----
From: Tim Beecher <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
Date: Thursday, November 12, 1998 8:19 AM
Subject: Re: (mobility) Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1998 23:07:53 -0800


>
>
> Hmm, I sort of angrily disconnected myself from interest
>in this compilation. So it's more to do with others on this
>list than absolutely everyone, such as myself. I sort of got
>annoyed that everyone seemed more concerned about making
>this comp., boosting their collection and not giving a shit
>about anything else, amongst other things, over the last
>few months. Maybe I was wrong!?
>
>I would regard as more important, issues such as human
>rights, environment and animal welfare. I don't mean to get
>all 'goodie-2-shoes', heavy and depressing, but it would
>mean far much more if the comp. was made with a view to
>selling for a profit, so that profit went to an
>organisation like Amnesty International, Greenpeace, or
>something (then of course, who do we trust to guarantee the
>money will get to these causes?). It's great that people
>want to make music, I love music and after all this list
>seems to be primarily concerned with music, but as we've
>all heard so many times before, it's also all about Moby
>and what he's all about and what he's trying to say through
>his music.
>
>Maybe if all this was done 6 months ago, I would have been
>less narky and far more interested in this comp, when life
>was treating me a bit better. I'm sorry my attitude had to
>come through to the list. Maybe I'm a woman trapped in a
>man's body, or something!?
>
>Ciao fellow human beings,
>
>TMB.
>
>
>----------------------
>Tim Beecher
>Cranfield University
>[e-mail]
>
>

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Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 18:44:42 +0000 (GMT)
From: Tim Beecher <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) Re: Sat, 7 Nov 1998 23: to tim and bunch

Well thanks for your words of wisdom. They were a little
'out there', but i think I crossed you in the cosmos,
somewhere. Anyway it gave me a boost to my evening, much
appreciated, as I'm sure it did unto others.

Captain Sensible - respect.

As long as we don't stop runnin', walkin', hobblin',
creepin', crawlin' and let the bastards get away with it!

TMB.

"Hey dudes, I'm on the verge and I don't care - it's bloody
marvellous."

On Thu, 12 Nov 1998 10:13:00 +0000 clay
<[e-mail]> wrote:

> > Maybe if all this was done 6 months ago, I would have been
> > less narky and far more interested in this comp, when life
> > was treating me a bit better. I'm sorry my attitude had to
> > come through to the list. Maybe I'm a woman trapped in a
> > man's body, or something!?
> >
> > Ciao fellow human beings,
> >
> > TMB.
> >
> ))))))))))))))))))))))))))))hey tim and fellow roomies>
>
> man don't let the bedbugs and heavy bosses of the world (or your girl
> or guy) get your shit down!
> now that is easy for me to say
> (you might think) but i got a list of troubles starting at the age of
> twelve and as i am now 402
> i can cite shit that people can't even believe i've gone through to
> get to where i am today.........
> [which is somewhere near the mexican american border somewhere in san
> diego].
> first thing>
> when life is looking down
> and i mean this
> music can be a salvational force>
> if you need proof get captain sensible's
> universe of geoffrey brown
> it is the unkown sergeant pepper's of the 20th century>
> and a tonic unknown to most earthly regions.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>it really is about wearing a smile
> (after finding it....... somehow)
> in the midst of a dumb, crazy, chaotic, fucked up world
> full of nerds and pansies
> and generals and bankers and scientists who have no imagination>
> mind you
> i will buy any copy that anyone is uninterested in keeping.
> that is a promise>
> this cd is tough to find
> (there is NO justice ....to be sure)
>
> and mind you....and i hate to stomp on anybody's all-worshipping bones
> and moby has certainly done more than most in his pinky
> in a day than some in a lifetime
> but there is no record on earth that compares to this one>
> i repeat
> get the captain's
> universe of geoffrey brown>
> it's like aspirin
> it rocks
> plays twists kicks yer damned ass and is the most elegant thing ever
> imagined.....modern to the day it dies
> it is monty python, shakespeare and well.......the holocaust
> and a field of flowers on a starry night
> 3 old radicals
> bach....beethoven....mozart
> with a an orgasmic end that mel brooks and bob fosse might've dreamed
> up together>
>
> so believe me or believe me (YOU HAVE NO CHOICE CHILDREN!)
> or believe mtv and the world mind conspiarcy
> >>>>>>>>>>this shit blows it all away at some point>
> so tim brother>
> just hang in there in england and say hi
> to me friends and kick ol griff in the arse for me would ya>
>
>
> and then there's erasure's cowboy
> a far different cup o tea mind ya
> but the most uplifting piece of damned love
> me ears have tasted in a long long time
> and it still never gets old>
> mind you the day someone comes close to these funny boys
> in the love and sounds and good old ultra-mod songwriting
> department.....well.....i will gladly, gladly bow down!
>
> so
> save the fucking whales and humans and kick a rotter in the ass
> if ya can run fast enough but besides that
> just stay high (naturally if you can)
> and have a toast to the universe as ya know
> it ain't gon last forever
>
> clay
> evolution2000
>

- ----------------------
Tim Beecher
Cranfield University
[e-mail]

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Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 14:10:31 -0500
From: Steve Giles <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) singles ...  two sides on every coin

Good solution, Tim! Non-for-profit comp, and then on the side a donation
fund for the designated charity. Two completely separate entities. If you're
interested Tim, you could coordinate the charity donation thing. Personally,
I agree with your other statement that the private way is better and easier.

I'd like to say that I think the comp IS important. Sure, all those worldly
issues are important too, but who is to say music is tiny in the shadow of
the world's problems? Without high living standards and luxuries like music,
nobody would appreciate that others lack these things, and fewer would help.
Also, if all you do as a person is help others, you are a good person. But
most people wouldn't be happy doing this,  we need comforts and moments not
burdened by the weight of the world.

Geoffrey asked about the following:

>>Drop A Beat

This one is a bit hard to find. The only places I've seen it recently are
www.gemm.com <http://www.gemm.com>  and on auction at www.ebay.com
<http://www.ebay.com>  , but it's not on auction right now. Keep an eye out.

>>Revolver Remixes (Australia)

This one is at any major online vendor. Look for a store that lists 3
different ones. Look for Pt. 1, Pt.2, and an unnumbered one. You want the
one without a number. Also, email the store to confirm it. Here is a chart
of comparisons for the corporate online music retailers, including links to
about 10 or 15 of them.

http://home1.gte.net/mcorphan/musicstore.html
<http://home1.gte.net/mcorphan/musicstore.html>

 >> Underwater

Underwater is a bonus disk that comes with the limited "Everything Is
Wrong". You can get if from Mutebank.

http://www.mutelibtech.com/mute/ <http://www.mutelibtech.com/mute/>

 >> bootleg fan mixes

The best you can do here, as far as I know, is wait for the upcoming Tribute
CDs to be issued / rereleased.

 >> Trophy

They're an acquired taste. Lots of underground style repetetive tracks. I
love the two Lopez singles, myself. Throw some opinions out on these,
everybody.

>>Interview CDs

I have no idea. You can get the JBT promo CD with a one-minute audio bio of
Moby spoken by himself. I haven't heard it. The onloy song on it is JBT, and
most places want more than I think it's worth for it. Here's a link to a
store that carries it. You can also bid on it in auction, it shows up
frequently at ebay.

http://www2.vinylvendors.com/VinylVendors/
<http://www2.vinylvendors.com/VinylVendors/>

>>Remixes by Moby for others

Use the above link, try putting MOBY in on the first three search lines, one
at a time. There's some there. Use yahoo! and search for smaller, local
music stores. They're easy to find with a little effort.

Happy shopping, Geoffrey!

- -Steve Giles

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Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 14:18:18 -0500
From: the Emperor of the Northern Hemisphere <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) I too enjoy the peaceful sounds like sheep and rockets colliding

I guess I should announce my intention to make a track for Thanks II.  It's
sort of secret, not that anyone has tried to hack my digital recorder, but
it's a hybrid remix/cover/ode to moby/semi-obscure moby track.  I have no
clue who this email is aimed at due to recent shake ups, but I sign my moby
list emails "e Del Norte" but that's not my artist name.  (I'm a
pretentious fucker aren't I).  Anyway, I know the finishing date is
Thanksgiving ( I think), but who do I send stuff to (digital
transmission(MP3) or CD)?  And does there need to be a restating of
intention to do a track?  I remember the last email that had a tenative
listing, but with all this administrative turbulence over the Comp., maybe
we should put up an intent artists webpage, or something.  I have space for
it someone will send me a list.  Just an idea.

To condense this email:  I, whatever my cool artist name will be, is
planning to do a track.  If anyone else is making a list, just put me down
as "wcalcutt" or something until I get myself figured out (soon).

Thanks for reading if you made it this far.  Tell me what you think of the
tracks page.


e Del Norte

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Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 19:13:25 +0000 (GMT)
From: Tim Beecher <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1998 23:07:53 -0800

Yes, I was presumptuous, expecting everyone to be concerned
about these issues more than anything else. However, I
never thought anyone was trivial or less important than
myself. Everyone is equal in my book. Not just related
to the comp, but other discussions that have been made
on this list, made me want to shout out the important
bits and I'm not ashamed of that. But then I was hoping to
marry the trivial and the important ISSUES together into
something sort of, all round. Right I'm not explaining very
well and it doesn't matter. I've had my rant, my rave, my
sickness, my pain. I've gone through the drama queen phase,
babe. I'm chilled. Everyone's got the point I think!? If
not send a SAE to .....sorry I'm just about to go 'over the
wall'.

Anyway, I'd love to hear your music, amongst the other
official contributions. Music and what's being said can be
something important, right? Let's come together boys, girls
and those in between - peace and understanding.

Now look what you guys have done to me - made me all
emotional! The demons have been exorcised. I love you all -
newcomers, oldcomers and inbetweeners!

TMB.

P.S. Is this related, or not...? Doesn't matter - is
anybody still in contact with Ryu? Does anybody know if
he's alright? I mean I sort of miss his contributions. He
didn't leave because of the comp.
discussions(?)/arguments(?), did he, those who know him
well!? A decision like his must be well thought out, right,
or did he go 'over the wall'? I could sort of understand it
if he did, you know.



On Thu, 12 Nov 1998 10:43:26 -0800 Andrew Mullen
<[e-mail]> wrote:

> hello again. I completely understand the dilemma between doing what you want
> (i.e.: music) and doing what you feel you SHOULD do. wouldn't the world be
> in so much better shape if humans weren't around? I would venture to say (at
> least my presumption is) most people on this list are either
> environmentally/animal conscious or at least open minded to the idea. But,
> of course, I'm not naive to apathy either. I think it's easy to get inside
> of one's own head and think, "nobody understands how important this
> is...everyone else is so trivial except me" but sometimes the most peaceful
> way is to let go. I know that probably offends some but I feel it's silly to
> have the attitude of "no compromise/take no prisoners". I think there's a
> definite balance to be realized here, where everybody loses a little and
> gains a lot. I think we should all talk about important issues AND trivial
> ones (such as a music comp.) anyway, sorry to ramble...take it easy...
> (if anyone could supply me with an address to send submissions to that would
> be appreciated!!!)
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tim Beecher <[e-mail]>
> To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
> Date: Thursday, November 12, 1998 8:19 AM
> Subject: Re: (mobility) Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1998 23:07:53 -0800
>
>
> >
> >
> > Hmm, I sort of angrily disconnected myself from interest
> >in this compilation. So it's more to do with others on this
> >list than absolutely everyone, such as myself. I sort of got
> >annoyed that everyone seemed more concerned about making
> >this comp., boosting their collection and not giving a shit
> >about anything else, amongst other things, over the last
> >few months. Maybe I was wrong!?
> >
> >I would regard as more important, issues such as human
> >rights, environment and animal welfare. I don't mean to get
> >all 'goodie-2-shoes', heavy and depressing, but it would
> >mean far much more if the comp. was made with a view to
> >selling for a profit, so that profit went to an
> >organisation like Amnesty International, Greenpeace, or
> >something (then of course, who do we trust to guarantee the
> >money will get to these causes?). It's great that people
> >want to make music, I love music and after all this list
> >seems to be primarily concerned with music, but as we've
> >all heard so many times before, it's also all about Moby
> >and what he's all about and what he's trying to say through
> >his music.
> >
> >Maybe if all this was done 6 months ago, I would have been
> >less narky and far more interested in this comp, when life
> >was treating me a bit better. I'm sorry my attitude had to
> >come through to the list. Maybe I'm a woman trapped in a
> >man's body, or something!?
> >
> >Ciao fellow human beings,
> >
> >TMB.
> >
> >
> >----------------------
> >Tim Beecher
> >Cranfield University
> >[e-mail]
> >
> >
>
>
>
>

- ----------------------
Tim Beecher
Cranfield University
[e-mail]

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