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mobility-digest       Friday, November 13 1998       Volume 01 : Number 255



Re: (mobility) Things that make you say ouch!
Re: (mobility) Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1998 23:07:53 -0800
Re: (mobility) t2
(mobility) re: captain sensible> universe of geoffrey brown
Re: (mobility) re: captain sensible> universe of geoffrey brown
(mobility) Thanks II: The new deal
(mobility) Thanks 2 track??
(mobility) Re: mobility-digest V1 #254
Re: (mobility) Thanks II: The new deal

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Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 18:58:25 -0800
From: "Dr. Killpatient" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) Things that make you say ouch!

I'm going to have to leave the charity donations to the people
that can feed and cloth themselves. If it wasn't for my girlfreind
I'd be homeless, I'm a charity case myself. My job is part time
and doesn't even bring in enough for my half of the rent- there
just won't be anything for donating...if I ever get an extra
20 bucks you will find me at the record store and I will make
no apologies.
paul

Tim Beecher wrote:
>
> Okay, point taken. But there must be ways around it.
> Alright, some of it might have to be official. Actually
> forget the official. Why not get all us little Mobilites to
> contribute a bit extra toward the official, non-profit
> comp. Then, in our own little organised huddle, we can
> cream off the donations that don't need to be made official
> and give. Okay, unnecessary added confusion - just send to
> your own little charities for Christmas or whenever on a
> personal, private level. Just an idea - I can accept
> rejection. Doesn't bother me, honest.
>
> TMB.
>
> On Thu, 12 Nov 1998 13:12:17 -0500 Steve Giles
> <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Tim Beecher wrote:
> > >Why do we have to make all of it official anyway? >
> >
> > If we get money from it without making it official, we've broken the law and
> > are 'subject to prosecution'. Even if it's for a good cause and we don't
> > profit personally , the fact that profit was earned in itself makes it a
> > violation because that money would rightfully be Mute's, Elektra's &
> > Instinct's. By NOT making profit the most they can do is tell us to stop.
> > With technology (mp3s, for instance) and bootlegging (CDRs) on the rise
> > record companies are taking violations very seriously as of late. I doubt
> > the producers and contributors would not like the prospect of punishment to
> > overshadow our dedication.
> >
> > Supposing that we were to make it official, and do all that, take a vote,
> > etc., we'd have to make each person's contribution clearly marked and
> > separated and registered for copyright purposes, get permission from however
> > many record companies whose songs we're using, and even after all that the
> > record companies would probably want a large portion of the profit, donating
> > only a small amount to the charity/cause. Also, they'd be likely to turn us
> > down because the market for this is so small. That would also bring their
> > attention upon us, which could kill this in it's entirety. Thoughts,
> > everybody?
> >
> > -Steve
> >
>
> ----------------------
> Tim Beecher
> Cranfield University
> [e-mail]

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Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 19:40:08 -0800
From: "Dr. Killpatient" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1998 23:07:53 -0800

Tim Beecher wrote:
>
> Yes, I was presumptuous, expecting everyone to be concerned
> about these issues more than anything else. However, I
> never thought anyone was trivial or less important than
> myself. Everyone is equal in my book. Not just related
> to the comp, but other discussions that have been made
> on this list, made me want to shout out the important
> bits and I'm not ashamed of that. But then I was hoping to
> marry the trivial and the important ISSUES together into
> something sort of, all round. Right I'm not explaining very
> well and it doesn't matter. I've had my rant, my rave, my
> sickness, my pain. I've gone through the drama queen phase,
> babe. I'm chilled. Everyone's got the point I think!? If
> not send a SAE to .....sorry I'm just about to go 'over the
> wall'.
>
> Anyway, I'd love to hear your music, amongst the other
> official contributions. Music and what's being said can be
> something important, right? Let's come together boys, girls
> and those in between - peace and understanding.
>
> Now look what you guys have done to me - made me all
> emotional! The demons have been exorcised. I love you all -
> newcomers, oldcomers and inbetweeners!
>
> TMB.
>
> P.S. Is this related, or not...? Doesn't matter - is
> anybody still in contact with Ryu? Does anybody know if
> he's alright? I mean I sort of miss his contributions. He
> didn't leave because of the comp.
> discussions(?)/arguments(?), did he, those who know him
> well!? A decision like his must be well thought out, right,
> or did he go 'over the wall'? I could sort of understand it
> if he did, you know.

I tried emailing him right away after he said he was
leaving and have heard nothing. There wasn't much warning,
and aside from hardware problems it's a complete mystery.
I would guess something life changing in his personal relationships
could cause such a retreat. I'm sure it's not our fault and
probably has very little to do with email or sho records either.
I would bet someday he'll be back, and I'm sure he's doing whats
best for himself right now.

Sorry to Tim for making more charity comments, I didn't read ahead
in my mailbox...I would love to contribute tocharity if I could
afford it.
paul


>
> On Thu, 12 Nov 1998 10:43:26 -0800 Andrew Mullen
> <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
> > hello again. I completely understand the dilemma between doing what you want
> > (i.e.: music) and doing what you feel you SHOULD do. wouldn't the world be
> > in so much better shape if humans weren't around? I would venture to say (at
> > least my presumption is) most people on this list are either
> > environmentally/animal conscious or at least open minded to the idea. But,
> > of course, I'm not naive to apathy either. I think it's easy to get inside
> > of one's own head and think, "nobody understands how important this
> > is...everyone else is so trivial except me" but sometimes the most peaceful
> > way is to let go. I know that probably offends some but I feel it's silly to
> > have the attitude of "no compromise/take no prisoners". I think there's a
> > definite balance to be realized here, where everybody loses a little and
> > gains a lot. I think we should all talk about important issues AND trivial
> > ones (such as a music comp.) anyway, sorry to ramble...take it easy...
> > (if anyone could supply me with an address to send submissions to that would
> > be appreciated!!!)
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Tim Beecher <[e-mail]>
> > To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
> > Date: Thursday, November 12, 1998 8:19 AM
> > Subject: Re: (mobility) Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1998 23:07:53 -0800
> >
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Hmm, I sort of angrily disconnected myself from interest
> > >in this compilation. So it's more to do with others on this
> > >list than absolutely everyone, such as myself. I sort of got
> > >annoyed that everyone seemed more concerned about making
> > >this comp., boosting their collection and not giving a shit
> > >about anything else, amongst other things, over the last
> > >few months. Maybe I was wrong!?
> > >
> > >I would regard as more important, issues such as human
> > >rights, environment and animal welfare. I don't mean to get
> > >all 'goodie-2-shoes', heavy and depressing, but it would
> > >mean far much more if the comp. was made with a view to
> > >selling for a profit, so that profit went to an
> > >organisation like Amnesty International, Greenpeace, or
> > >something (then of course, who do we trust to guarantee the
> > >money will get to these causes?). It's great that people
> > >want to make music, I love music and after all this list
> > >seems to be primarily concerned with music, but as we've
> > >all heard so many times before, it's also all about Moby
> > >and what he's all about and what he's trying to say through
> > >his music.
> > >
> > >Maybe if all this was done 6 months ago, I would have been
> > >less narky and far more interested in this comp, when life
> > >was treating me a bit better. I'm sorry my attitude had to
> > >come through to the list. Maybe I'm a woman trapped in a
> > >man's body, or something!?
> > >
> > >Ciao fellow human beings,
> > >
> > >TMB.
> > >
> > >
> > >----------------------
> > >Tim Beecher
> > >Cranfield University
> > >[e-mail]
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> ----------------------
> Tim Beecher
> Cranfield University
> [e-mail]

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Date: Tue, 28 Aug 1956 00:33:37 +0000
From: clay <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) t2

> i was told by ryu that i'd have my "honey" remix on the t2 comp. i don't
> know the current situation, but i expect to still be able to get it in.
> why has this suddenly become so complicated?
> too many thumbs in the pie, i say...
> anyway, please tell me who to send my cd to.
> thanks,
> oh, and SEND ME THE INFO PERSONALLY!! there's been too much garbage here
> lately.
> [xaq]
> "i think a lot, but it never helps me, so i stop.
>                     but i really enjoy thinking."
>                       Masafumi Sanai-photographer
>

okay sure xaq>

this all be garbage and the like but what's been happening here
brother is that
ryu left
he was in charge of this project
and now we have a change of administration>
you wanna judge.... as people try to figure out who can and will step
up to the plate to make this happen.......
(ain't no snap of a finger...either)
and as you said...you don't know the current situation......
but you expect to get your song on.......
and so do we...us...them...whoever>
but yes....it's sorta complicated figuring out who has the hardware
software
knowledge time love and wherewithall to do this thing
and instead of saying thanks to those who ARE TRYING to keep it going
you just say it's so much garbage
well.....we love ya too>

i think it's cool that there are people willing to hassle this out.
and i also think it's cool that a friend can be going over the wall
feeling confused
or whatever
and still vent here
once in awhile>

clay

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Date: Tue, 28 Aug 1956 00:44:09 +0000
From: clay <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) re: captain sensible> universe of geoffrey brown

> OK clay...that's the most you've written in months so I guess
> the Captain must have made one excellent album there, I'll keep
> my eye out for that.
>
> you say captain, you say WOT?
>
> paul



i've seen three copies of this cd in my entire life
and i bought all three.
i now have one good copy.
i can't find it anywhere
so if anyone discovers where to get it
please let me know........
after all........it's the gift that keeps on giving>


clay

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Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 23:33:32 -0800
From: "Dr. Killpatient" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) re: captain sensible> universe of geoffrey brown

clay wrote:
>
> > OK clay...that's the most you've written in months so I guess
> > the Captain must have made one excellent album there, I'll keep
> > my eye out for that.
> >
> > you say captain, you say WOT?
> >
> > paul
>
>
> i've seen three copies of this cd in my entire life
> and i bought all three.
> i now have one good copy.
> i can't find it anywhere
> so if anyone discovers where to get it
> please let me know........
> after all........it's the gift that keeps on giving>
>
> clay

If you ever get into mp3s you have to let me hear that!
paul

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Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 12:29:39 -0600 (CST)
From: Greg Shipley <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) Thanks II: The new deal

On Thu, 12 Nov 1998, Steve Giles wrote:

> Ok, here's where we're at with Thanks II.
>
> The previous deadline of Thanksgiving will be reset soon. We'll decide that
> once we set a timeline, which we'll do when Greg is ready. Due to setbacks
> you already know about, much of our battle plan needs to be reorganized.
> Greg is producing the comp. He's busy at the moment, but in a couple weeks
> he'll be active on this. You'll need to talk to him about formats for
> submissions.

Greetings!  Okay, here is the new plan:

I am currently swamped for the next week but will be hitting this thing
hard-core the following week.  I plan on using the 'net as the
coordination point for everything, and you'll be able to see the web site
for updates.

Write these down:

http://moby.wiretrip.net
ftp://moby.wiretrip.net/pub/incoming

These will go up on Sunday - THEY ARE NOT ACTIVE NOW.  Don't try going
there 'cause it won't happen...wait till Sunday.  These will be the two
places used to coordinate this beast.  I will move and post all cover art,
current contributors, names and sizes of tracks, destination times, voting
sections, etc. on the web site.  I will be accepting tracks in two ways:

1. via snail-mail (US postal - e-mail for an address)
2. via the FTP site (preferred)

All tracks should go into /pub/incoming.  YOU WILL NOT BE ABLE TO SEE THEM
IN THERE.  Its a deposit-only bin, not a distribution point.  People doing
tracks, when completed, can FTP them into that directory.  Only I will be
able to access them (for now).

I'm thinking deadline for track entries around Dec 15th.  Does this work
for everyone?

> As for track obligations, e Del Norte, it would be great if you set up a
> page so we can keep track of what to expect.

Feel free to do this as well, but I will be keeping moby.wiretrip.net
updated.

> As for track voting, if it's necessary, we'll have to find a volunteer with
> space and time to set up a page for this. If there are less submissions than
> a total of 70 minutes, we won't need this. We'll just put everything
> submitted on the CD.

Let's see what we get in and then we'll go from there.  This could be a
lot of space.  The site will hold it, but we'll have to see....

> As for covers & back inserts, I think there are 5 entries right now. We
> won't be voting on them until we reach our yet-to-be-set deadline. Entries
> are still welomce, mail them to Ade. Here's the info you need.
>
> Thanks II covers page:
> http://picard.anderson.edu/~adekunle/mobility/
>
> Ade's email for cover submissions:
> [e-mail]

Cool.  I'll grab these and post'm on the site.  However, Ade, if you want
to stay the lead on the cover art, by all means, do so!  I'll just post
what you send me.

> So for now, keep working on your covers/remixes or artwork, and pretty soon
> we'll be in action.

This is going to be cool - I'm excited.

More soon,

- -Greg

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Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 12:06:42 -0500
From: [e-mail] (Daniel Redmond)
Subject: (mobility) Thanks 2 track??

Whomever needs to know,
I am thinking (read - need to convince my little brother to handle some
instrumental parts) about reworking "New Dawn Fades" for Thanks 2.  This is
still in the highly preliminary stages, tho, so don't expect it before Dec.
1 if all goes well.  Besides info that has come across in the last 24, is
there anything else I need to know (format, etc.)?

Thanx
Daniel

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Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 14:13:02 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: (mobility) Re: mobility-digest V1 #254

how much does a basic (yet good) drum machine and soundboard run for? where
would one go about aquairing one of these wonderful machines? whatelse would i
need to get in order to actually creat some music. ive played piano for a
while and i have a drum set that i play, but i want to get into techno and emo
and stuff like that. can anyone help me out?

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Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 11:58:10 -0800
From: "Dr. Killpatient" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) Thanks II: The new deal

Greg Shipley wrote:
>
> On Thu, 12 Nov 1998, Steve Giles wrote:
>
> > Ok, here's where we're at with Thanks II.
> >
> > The previous deadline of Thanksgiving will be reset soon. We'll decide that
> > once we set a timeline, which we'll do when Greg is ready. Due to setbacks
> > you already know about, much of our battle plan needs to be reorganized.
> > Greg is producing the comp. He's busy at the moment, but in a couple weeks
> > he'll be active on this. You'll need to talk to him about formats for
> > submissions.
>
> Greetings!  Okay, here is the new plan:
>
> I am currently swamped for the next week but will be hitting this thing
> hard-core the following week.  I plan on using the 'net as the
> coordination point for everything, and you'll be able to see the web site
> for updates.
>
> Write these down:
>
> http://moby.wiretrip.net
> ftp://moby.wiretrip.net/pub/incoming
>
> These will go up on Sunday - THEY ARE NOT ACTIVE NOW.  Don't try going
> there 'cause it won't happen...wait till Sunday.  These will be the two
> places used to coordinate this beast.  I will move and post all cover art,
> current contributors, names and sizes of tracks, destination times, voting
> sections, etc. on the web site.  I will be accepting tracks in two ways:
>
> 1. via snail-mail (US postal - e-mail for an address)
> 2. via the FTP site (preferred)

You need to specify what format it needs to be in!
I would suggest cd-r audio with WAV digital as well for mail,
and 256 kbps stereo MP3 format for the FTP site.
Unless you have and can accept DATs, which would be great.
If we need to vote, we should have realaudio files for fast
download to listen to.

I have lots of web space on my own server I can offer if
it takes up too much room.

I would really like to see the deadline be Dec. 31, but I'm only
speaking for myself- I tend to lag and do things last minute and
I haven't even started on my track yet, I'm still deciding.
But we need that list of contributors/songs so we don't end
up having 2 people wearing the same dress at the ball.
paul







>
> All tracks should go into /pub/incoming.  YOU WILL NOT BE ABLE TO SEE THEM
> IN THERE.  Its a deposit-only bin, not a distribution point.  People doing
> tracks, when completed, can FTP them into that directory.  Only I will be
> able to access them (for now).
>
> I'm thinking deadline for track entries around Dec 15th.  Does this work
> for everyone?
>
> > As for track obligations, e Del Norte, it would be great if you set up a
> > page so we can keep track of what to expect.
>
> Feel free to do this as well, but I will be keeping moby.wiretrip.net
> updated.
>
> > As for track voting, if it's necessary, we'll have to find a volunteer with
> > space and time to set up a page for this. If there are less submissions than
> > a total of 70 minutes, we won't need this. We'll just put everything
> > submitted on the CD.
>
> Let's see what we get in and then we'll go from there.  This could be a
> lot of space.  The site will hold it, but we'll have to see....
>
> > As for covers & back inserts, I think there are 5 entries right now. We
> > won't be voting on them until we reach our yet-to-be-set deadline. Entries
> > are still welomce, mail them to Ade. Here's the info you need.
> >
> > Thanks II covers page:
> > http://picard.anderson.edu/~adekunle/mobility/
> >
> > Ade's email for cover submissions:
> > [e-mail]
>
> Cool.  I'll grab these and post'm on the site.  However, Ade, if you want
> to stay the lead on the cover art, by all means, do so!  I'll just post
> what you send me.
>
> > So for now, keep working on your covers/remixes or artwork, and pretty soon
> > we'll be in action.
>
> This is going to be cool - I'm excited.
>
> More soon,
>
> -Greg

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