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mobility-digest      Wednesday, October 28 1998      Volume 01 : Number 247



Re: (mobility) Not getting the best vibes here
Re: (mobility) Not getting the best vibes here
(mobility) Re:vibes
(mobility) nothin special
(mobility) Members? Birthday?
(mobility) Re: Moby, Norway...=)
Re: (mobility) not getting the best vibes here
RE: (mobility) Not getting the best vibes here
(mobility) Anybody got the shcoop?
(mobility) remix contest , ar liner notes
Re: (mobility) not getting the best vibes here
(mobility) An Explanation
(mobility) regarding thanks v1.1 & v1.2

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Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 11:57:32 +0000 (GMT)
From: Tim Beecher <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) Not getting the best vibes here

Well Paul, I couldn't give a toss about this whole tribute
thing anyway. If people want to have a good time making up
a tribute album, then that's great for them and anyone else
who's interested and I'm all for giving support.
Personally, I won't be buying any of these 'tributes'and
the whole issue isn't of any major concern to me.

> they get their email later. Once again, I don;t even want one due
> to the already present elite-ist attitude, so I'm merely fighting
> against what I think is wrong....if anyone agrees I'd like to know.
>

> If this is how Thanks 2 is going to be handled I don't
> even want to be a part of it, I will instead give my
> cover song out freely to
> everyone in mp3 format.
> paul
>
> Good for you mate.

TMB.

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Tim Beecher
Cranfield University
[e-mail]

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Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 07:18:42 +0000
From: "A.J. Brustein" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) Not getting the best vibes here

I totally agree. I was on the list when the first CD was made, but it was my
first week as a member and didn't even know what it was. I have never heard
any of the music, and don't know if it is even worth listening too. However, I
have heard people raving about the album and I decided that I would somehow
find 5 american dollars in Japan and get it. I checked my mail when I got home
from school on Wed. The problem is that for you guys it was Wed at 5 in the
morning. At least those of you on the east coast of America. I guess the email
was sent out on your Tuesday. But indeed I was too late. I was soo late that I
even sent an email requesting it only to find out 15 emails later that I was
over 5 people late. I relize that it is only worth as much money as the CD it
was recorded on. Less even, since you can't rerecord on it. But I would hav
been able to see what kind of talent there is on th list and then actually
have a song to go with the names.
What bafles me though, is why only 20 CDs were made. This has been in planning
for over a month and only 20 CDs could be completed. I burned a 73 minute CD
on a 2x and it took half an hour. I assume that whatever was used took less
time than that. But, in defense of the CD and the people who are controlling
it, it is theirs. They can do what they want right? Yeah, if everyone who
submitted their work agreed on only printing 20. Was there no one who wanted
more or anyone who wanted none at all. I guess I had to trade being in Japan
for 6 months for my second chance at a used CD-R. I wonder if it was worth it?
Now I wonder if it would have been even worth it it to wander the banks
looking for a 5 dollar bill. At least the CD was only 5 bucks including
shipping, and they didn't have to re do them, but they were nice enough to do
it. Why it had to turn from something nice and reasonable to something dick
and incomprehensible is beyond me. Anyway, Later.
AJ

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Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 07:52:33 -0600
From: "tommy" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) Re:vibes

- -----Original Message-----
From: Dr. Killpatient <[e-mail]>
<><>I really hate to do this, I really like all of you and consider
<><>many of you friends, but I'm really getting turned off by this
<><>Thanks 1.1 limited edition deal...


i orderd 1.1 and do hope i get my song to be worthy to the title 4 2 on time
:(if it happens).

my opinion...
i do think it would have been wise to get more info on how many wanted the
disk b4 the decision was made.
i think when he made the disk the first time he made & set a limit for
imaginable reasons.  it was probably reasonable a limit at the time as
thanks II seems reasonable for now.  i wonder how many times he stepped
passed it?  probably just once (that i know of).  but i aint been here thaat
long.  i thought 20 more disks sounded about right when i heard about the
re-release.  it makes me wonder how many people are on the list.  his idea
seemed to have been aimed to please.
i think too much
to us or at least me-it's all about the music.  i'm sure it'll get around
too.

i ain't nobody's dog or nothin'.  just tryin to look at the not so grand
scheme of things as i tend to do.

<><><>tom<><><>

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Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 08:18:39 -0600
From: "tommy" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) nothin special

oh yeah...
if anyone has winamp and wants moby skin i made out of the pict of moby on
my 2nd thks2 submit.   you can see what it looks like lookin at a picture of
what it looks like by taggin' http://members.tripod.com/~g0Dzinx/moby1.jpg
to your browser.  http://members.tripod.com/~g0Dzinx/moby1.zip to download
it if you like it.
if you dont know what skins are as i didn't until like a week ago-seein the
picture will tell ya.

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Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 07:35:47 -0700
From: Damian <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) Members? Birthday?

Hello all,

it's been asked a few times so I thought I'd respond for once........
"how many members are there on Mobility?"
We normally average 200 members & we're currently just over that amount.


Also, silly me forgot to wish the list a Happy 2nd Birthday.
Mobility turned 2 years old on October 24.
So anyway...... Happy Belated Birthday Mobility!!!


Damian ([e-mail])
- -or- ([e-mail])

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Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 16:10:30 +0100
From: Christian Bull-Hansen <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) Re: Moby, Norway...=)

Aloha!
<----from Norway...
Cool...didn't know about that town....better move there then..:P
I doubt they got a record shop tho...so...

But I belive most of those "Norwegian" Moby thingies u suggested might be a little bit untrue..:P
I've never heard Moby been used for anything else than....well....Moby..=)

but...feel free to come visit Norway...but don't do it in the winter...it's just toooooooo damn cold...:P
- -ZB-

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Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 08:25:25 -0500
From: [e-mail] (Daniel Redmond)
Subject: Re: (mobility) not getting the best vibes here

I completely agree here...I get the digest version (I know, you snooze, you
lose, etc...) and I found out about this, then read on and found out that
the offer ended before some people even found out about it!  The saddest
thing is that I've been reading here about how great Thanks 1 is from those
who were on the list before.  Perhaps next time y'all could find out how
many people want the cd before arbitrarily saying only 20 can have it and
the rest are SOL.

Random musings.....
Daniel Redmond

>Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 03:29:56 -0800
>From: "Dr. Killpatient" <[e-mail]>
>Subject: Re: (mobility) Not getting the best vibes here
>
>I really hate to do this, I really like all of you and consider
>many of you friends, but I'm really getting turned off by this
>Thanks 1.1 limited edition deal...
>
>When I first heard about the 20 copies only, I decided I really
>didn't want to be part of the action becuase I'm sensing some
>kind of control hungry power trippy exclusive club kinda vibe,
>where you're really paying money to just be one of the exclusive
>few who are part of the "i'm cooler than you club" or something.
>
>Whover's decision it was to only make twenty copies available is
>having fun teasing many of you, for reasons I could never understand.
>Being that it's a CD-r where each copy can be made one at a time
>(not in limited MASS printings like real labels print limited editions,
>almost always from 100-10,000 copies depending on how big the group is)
>I'm sure that the resouces exist to make copies available for
>anyone who wants them, I'd like to hear a rational explaination
>for why only twenty people get to order this CD...after all the
>extra 10 or 20 CDs that would cover probably all the rest of the people
>currently on the list and digest wouldn't kill you.
>
>So you alreay had to turn 5 people down....imagine how you made them
>feel....for what? As if the CD will be worth something someday, dream
>on...there are hundreds of tribute albums I've seen and when all the
>artists on it are unknowns and it's not on an official label, it's
>never going to be worth anything but sentimental value which is
>something you should share with people out of decency since I can't
>imagine how anyone could lose out on a few more copies being made
>to whoever wants them right at this time.
>
>And how was the announcement fair???? I got it within a couple hours,
>but many people don't check their email every hour on the hour, if
>you are one of the people checking late at night only, maybe not every
>day or maybe you're just out of town for a few days...whatever
>it is, it's unfair to those who weren't caller #105 or whatever,
>no one said anything about a contest where you had to check your email
>every fuckin minute of every day until the announcement was made
>so you could be one of the first twenty....maybe there are list
>members out there who really wanted it and won't even see this until
>they get their email later. Once again, I don;t even want one due
>to the already present elite-ist attitude, so I'm merely fighting
>against what I think is wrong....if anyone agrees I'd like to know.
>
>You had the chance so far to make 25 people very happy- instead
>you have chosen to make 20 people happy and 5 people feel like they
>lost out and were DENIED...and more to come I'm sure, I absolutely
>don't approve, there is no real good reason to deny any list member
>a chance to hear the CD.
>
>If this is how Thanks 2 is going to be handled I don't even want to
>be a part of it, I will instead give my cover song out freely to
>everyone in mp3 format.
>paul
>
>
>Ryu wrote:
>>
>> all,
>>   the 20 copies of the thanks version 1.1 have been
>> taken already.  it's been about 12 hours since i posted
>> the original message, and i had to decline 5 people so
>> far.....
>>
>>   those that made the cut off point....i have your cds
>> ready to ship out as soon as i recieve payment.  if,
>> for some reason, somebody doesn't pay up, those who
>> replied late will get copies in the order of their replies....
>>
>> sorry to all those who didn't make it.....
>>
>> thanks to those that did.....
>>
>> -ryu
>>
>> **************************************************************
>>          SHO RECORDS
>> The World's First Non-Profit Record Label
>>     Specializing in Powerful Music
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>> **************************************************************
>> Ryu
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>> Baden, PA 15005
>> **************************************************************

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Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 11:28:42 -0500
From: Steve Giles <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (mobility) Not getting the best vibes here

I'm very happy I replied in time but I agree with every single comment you
made except the one about not wanting to be involved, Paul. If we work
together we can make this project something everybody can appreciate if they
want to, regardless of how past projects were handled.

Hey Gingerbread, I think it's time you spoke up and explained a few things.
Thanks 1 was a GROUP effort, and while I'm sure everyone appreciates the
effort you put into the project, personally I don't think it's fair for you
ALONE to make decisions regarding it. These decisions are rubbing many
(including me) the wrong way and tainting the wonderful atmosphere of this
list. I know MANY people agree with me here. So what's up? I apologize if
these aren't your decisions and I'm criticizing unfairly, but from what I've
been able to ascertain you've been head honcho.

Normally I would keep potentially confrontational messages off the list. But
this involves everybody. No apologies necessary, Paul.

- -Steve Giles


>>Dr. Kill wrote:
I really hate to do this, I really like all of you and consider
many of you friends, but I'm really getting turned off by this
Thanks 1.1 limited edition deal...

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Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 12:19:29 -0500 (EST)
From: Freak <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) Anybody got the shcoop?

Hi all....I was just wondering if anyone in the Syracuse/Central New York
area has heard anything about Moby doing a show around here.  My friend
called me last night saying that she heard it on the radio...she didn't
here where or when, real helpful right? she knows I'm a big fan and it was
the name that caught her attention...she pretty much missed everything
else.  I've been trying to call K-rock...but with no luck...Does anybody
no anything about this?

Thanx,

danielle

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Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 12:23:41 -0500
From: Steve Giles <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) remix contest , ar liner notes

>>they were having a contest. anyone know the
>>results of this? anyone here contribute?

Sure, the ETYTM single (US) has the UK and US winners, and an obscure 12"
has runner-ups. I haven't heard those but I remember hearing that the
Tabernacle remix is excellent. (Brad, was that you commenting on these?)

>>also, i found a used copy of aphex's SAW 85-92 at exile for $15.

Ouch. I got mine new for 16 or 17. Gramaphone in Chicago has them.

Regarding the AR essays, I know they're online somewhere. Check out some of
the AR reviews, they might be on one of those. Unfortunately they were on a
site with other stuff so they didn't get explicit mention and I'm not sure
exactly where they are. Good luck. Perhaps somebody will scan them for you.
Or hit the used CD store [AR is usually there :(  ] and take some notes.

- -Steve

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Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 11:12:37 PST
From: "matt bochnewich" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) not getting the best vibes here

ryu said i was number 21 to request.. ;( probably only missed out by a
few minutes..what a bad day

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Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 13:33:33 -0600
From: "Andrew J. Davies" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) An Explanation

I have not been the only one making decisions on this re-release.  I do not
wish to say who else has been helping in these decisions so that they will
not have to try and explain things as well.

The idea behind Thanks was simple: list members make a cd of covers and
remixes of Moby songs.  The entire cd was made for and by list members.  No
limit was set on how many cds were made in the first release.  I produced
and mailed as many as was needed.  I _did_ make a deadline for orders, but
that was only so I could concentrate on my schoolwork and because I was not
going to be doing the production infinitely.  There were many people who
were disappointed then because they could not get a copy.  I knew this
would happen, and felt bad, but I knew there was really no way around it
seeing that new members would join daily -- each wanting their own copy of
Thanks.

A year after the original inception of Thanks, the suggestion and plans for
Thanks2 came up on the list.  Once again, a call for a re-release of Thanks
was heard throughout the list.  I was not going to be able to do this on my
own this time because of many reasons (of which I will not go into now).
 Ryu decided to step up to the plate and give it a shot.  He and I had
discussed many things about the re-release and came up with what we thought
would work.

The intent of these cds was not to give either me or whoever else might be
producing these cds an "elitist" status.  It was to have fun making music
and letting other people hear it.  I do not wish to start a flame war or
create dissention among lit members, but I do not see why those of you who
are complaining about not getting a cd feel it is your RIGHT (rather than
privelege) to have these cds.

I can see your points, many are very good and well founded, but as I know
from experience, an individual can only do so much.  There has to be a
limit drawn somewhere.  Someone might say, "A limit at only 20?!"  Well, if
that is what has been deemed to be the number of cds that can be handled,
then that is the number.  Someone might say, "Give me the master cd and I
will take over!"  This may be fine, but in order to ensure that all the cds
are the same (covers included) and of the same quality, it is much easier
to leave the production and distribution to one person.

We must all remember that Ryu is also producing Thanks2 along with
Thanks1.1.  Work needs to be done for both cds.  I know that he has been
very busy as of late, so he cannot dedicate the amount of time he would
like to everyday.

Once again, I do not wish to make anyone angry at anyone else or create a
divide in the list.  Take my comments as you will, and try to see the other
side of the coin.  See you on the list.

Andy

gingerbread man

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Andrew J. Davies

[e-mail]
Platteville, WI 53818
(608.342.2255)

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Horicon, WI 53032
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Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 15:35:40 -0500
From: Steve Giles <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) regarding thanks v1.1 & v1.2

>>about not getting a cd feel it is your RIGHT (rather than
>>privelege) to have these cds.

Hmmm. With the work involved I can understand much better now drawing a line
on how many you'll make.

Not that it matters at this point, but should a simalar situation  arise in
the future it might be a good idea to find out how many are needed first and
then see if someone will take on the burden of production for that many. The
way everything was conducted this time made it so that the "priveledge" was
granted to some and not to others. Hence the elitism comments. People feel
left out and specifically excluded from something they want to be a part of
because they didn't happen to be lucky enough to check their e-mail at a
certain time.

>>Someone might say, "Give me the master cd and I
will take over!"  This may be fine, but in order to ensure that all the cds
are the same (covers included) and of the same quality,
<<

Other parts of the disgruntlement were the confusing silence and the changed
packaging. As someone said this is a very small quiet release. I don't
understand why quality is a concern to not release it furthur. Sure,
somebody else might make a run that you deem lower quality than the
original, but what is wrong with that if it gets them the music they want?

I guess what I'm asking is this: Why ensure equal quality?

With something of this size a reproduction will not reflect on the original
producer. Here on mobility we all know what is what, and nobody else cares,
quite frankly. The change of packaging combined with reluctance to allow a
second run in the first place have contributed to the negative feelings and
elitism comments.

>>Ryu is also producing Thanks2 along with Thanks1.1.

I sincerely thank you for your efforts past and yet to come, Ryu.

>>Once again, I do not wish to make anyone angry at anyone
>>else or create a divide in the list.

Nor do I, but I would like everyone to be happy. Those who are excluded
should know why. (which they now do) However, I also think that if another
generous person is willing to produce more to meet the demand then they
should not be restrained for frivolous reasons.

>>Take my comments as you will, and try to see the other
>>side of the coin.  See you on the list.

Ditto.

- -Steve Giles

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