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From: owner-mobility-digest@lists.xmission.com (mobility-digest)
To: mobility-digest@lists.xmission.com
Subject: mobility-digest V1 #232
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mobility-digest Saturday, September 26 1998 Volume 01 : Number 232
Re: (mobility) FIN!
Re: (mobility) FIN!
Re: (mobility) FIN!
Re: (mobility) Remixes
Re: (mobility) Re: Titles
Re: (mobility) Re: Titles
Re: (mobility) Blue Skies, Greyhound Part 1, FSR, OMD
RE: (mobility) Thanks 2 title
Re: (mobility) FIN!
Re: (mobility) FIN!
(mobility) title
(mobility) remixing
Re: (mobility) extra extra...
Re: (mobility) Blue Skies, Greyhound Part 1, FSR, OMD
Re: (mobility) Thanks 2 title
RE: (mobility) remixing
Re: (mobility) remixing
Re: (mobility) remixing
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Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 04:13:41 EDT
From: Spydercorp@aol.com
Subject: Re: (mobility) FIN!
<<"thanks - the mobility mixes vol. II">>
I am not trying to be a dick, and too bad for mee I didn't get a chance to
check my email till 4 in the morning, but after reading all those suggestions
and votes, I don't remember anyone picking that name, especially not the
majority. I really think that everyone like this the Mobility.... or whatever
version better than the boring and empty Thanks 2. But I think we need to
start over. 2 days isn't going to make or break the art, I know I can do mine
in a day, but I don't plan on winning. I think we need to talk about this and
give suggestions, just not with one person saying one thing and then 10 people
agreeing. We make suggestions - list the choice when everyone is happy and has
their's up there, and then vote. The end. Otherwise, this could make some
people mad and not as enthusiastic as everyone seems to be - especially since
everyone was pumped about writing a FAQ and I don't even know what happened to
that. God luck. Later.
AJ
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Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 03:10:54 -0700
From: "Dr. Killpatient" <rfu@stitch.com>
Subject: Re: (mobility) FIN!
this post makes the most sense out of all the idea from the last 24
hours....
Let's spend a few more days working on this title,
it's not going to make or break the artwork and it's
obviously important that we get the title right.
As the artowrk goes, I think we will find that we will all have
different ideas about that too. Instead of voting yes or no on
completed covers, perhaps we could combine the best artwork by finding
the best cover, typesetting (font), back cover, etc... design whatever
comes to mind and sumbit more than once if you want- creative freedom
might help us all make the most out of this project and I think
it is important that all that are not involved in the artwork or
music should still feel like part of this project by voting for
what they think is the best way of doing this.
Maybe we will like one person's lettering, but another's background art.
paul
Spydercorp@aol.com wrote:
>
> <<"thanks - the mobility mixes vol. II">>
>
> I am not trying to be a dick, and too bad for mee I didn't get a chance to
> check my email till 4 in the morning, but after reading all those suggestions
> and votes, I don't remember anyone picking that name, especially not the
> majority. I really think that everyone like this the Mobility.... or whatever
> version better than the boring and empty Thanks 2. But I think we need to
> start over. 2 days isn't going to make or break the art, I know I can do mine
> in a day, but I don't plan on winning. I think we need to talk about this and
> give suggestions, just not with one person saying one thing and then 10 people
> agreeing. We make suggestions - list the choice when everyone is happy and has
> their's up there, and then vote. The end. Otherwise, this could make some
> people mad and not as enthusiastic as everyone seems to be - especially since
> everyone was pumped about writing a FAQ and I don't even know what happened to
> that. God luck. Later.
> AJ
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 12:38:35 +0000
From: clay <ev2k@pacbell.net>
Subject: Re: (mobility) FIN!
i'm with spyder, killpatient, and delobbo
and think one more day of hashing out the title would be good as
delobbo brought about some good points.
a hybrid incorporating these concepts would be well-advised
and i think we an afford the day of delay.
clay
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Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 03:30:55 -0700
From: "Dr. Killpatient" <rfu@stitch.com>
Subject: Re: (mobility) Remixes
phathead@flash.net wrote:
>
> There seems to be a lot of "Tribute" cd's out there.
> Most artists who do remixes use some of there own
> sounds to go with the remix. So far I have completed
> 3 remixes
> "Bad Days" & "80" from the Ambient cd.
> And "Say It's All Mine".
> My tracks are definatly "remixes" and NOT covers.
> To me the word remixes works perfectly for what we are doing.
>
> RT
I can't decide which I want to do, but Ryu siad that tracks
with original samples of the recordings might be a problem...
so I figured this would be all covers not remixes-
the difference being covers are done completely from scratch, with
no samples of the original sound recordings.
I don't know which I should work on now....
What do all of you think?
paul
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Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 03:32:51 -0700
From: "Dr. Killpatient" <rfu@stitch.com>
Subject: Re: (mobility) Re: Titles
Ryu wrote:
>
> At 12:35 PM 9/24/98 -0400, you wrote:
> >"Thanks 2 Moby - the Mobility Remixes vol. 2" seems like the best idea...to
> >me anyways.
>
> we have to remember though, that this is not only a remix cd.
> some of us will be doing covers as well.
>
> i will see the results of the votes tonite, and decide what to do....
>
> any way around using only the word "remixes"?
>
> how about "Thanks to Moby - the Mobility Tribute Vol. 2"?
> anyone have a gripe with that?
> or a similar suggestion?
>
I think that is the best suggestion yet.
I vote for that title...but I also think we could take
a few more days to decide the best title if any of the art
contributors don't object.
paul
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Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 12:02:33 +0100 (British Summer Time)
From: Tim Beecher <T.Beecher@Cranfield.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: (mobility) Re: Titles
Actually I agree with Ryu now!
TMB
On Thu, 24 Sep 1998 16:01:42 -0400 Ryu <ryu97@psu.edu>
wrote:
> At 12:35 PM 9/24/98 -0400, you wrote:
> >"Thanks 2 Moby - the Mobility Remixes vol. 2" seems like the best idea...to
> >me anyways.
>
> we have to remember though, that this is not only a remix cd.
> some of us will be doing covers as well.
>
> i will see the results of the votes tonite, and decide what to do....
>
> any way around using only the word "remixes"?
>
> how about "Thanks to Moby - the Mobility Tribute Vol. 2"?
> anyone have a gripe with that?
> or a similar suggestion?
>
> bye,
> ryu
>
> **************************************************************
> SHO RECORDS
> The World's First Non-Profit Record Label
> Specializing in Powerful Music
> http://www.personal.psu.edu/users/jwz109
> **************************************************************
> 724-869-0908 * Ryu * ryu97@psu.edu
> **************************************************************
> Ryu
> 536 Daly Ave.
> Baden, PA 15005
> **************************************************************
>
>
- ----------------------
Tim Beecher
Cranfield University
T.Beecher@Cranfield.ac.uk
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 12:12:38 +0100 (British Summer Time)
From: Tim Beecher <T.Beecher@Cranfield.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: (mobility) Blue Skies, Greyhound Part 1, FSR, OMD
On Thu, 24 Sep 1998 16:21:58 -0400 Steve Giles
<Steve.Giles@digital.com> wrote:
> While I was there I looked in singles and vinyl for OMD, but no luck yet.
> Are they/he/she big? small? popular? I sumrise they've been around a while
> based on the Vinyl Vendors search I ran and told you about before...
>
> Are you referring to Orchestral Manouevres (wow I didn't
realise how tricky that was to spell, expecially when the
Brits and Yanks spell it differently!)in the Dark (OMD)? If
you are then THEY were quite big in the 80s and came out
with a few early gems, but they're not my 'cup of tea' -
though I don't know all of their stuff that well.
TMB
>
> -S
>
- ----------------------
Tim Beecher
Cranfield University
T.Beecher@Cranfield.ac.uk
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 09:58:16 -0400
From: Steve Giles <Steve.Giles@digital.com>
Subject: RE: (mobility) Thanks 2 title
I heard Serena Altshul's voice. :) But I can hear Kurt's, too. Esp. w/ that
"punky hip-hop flavor" thingy.
As for the title, I don't think we need to worry about confusion. The
majority of the comp's audience is on the list, so we all know what's what.
The others looking in from outside will know what mobility means exactly
because if they order it they'll prolly get some background info on it 1st.
They'll know what they're getting, I assume, because if someone outside the
list gets it they'll see it at Sho Records where a small description surely
will be. But, then again, we must please as many as possible, right?
...and without a voting site we just have a lot of chaotic replies. Despite
the appearance of chaos, the votes were tallied even tho they were written
to Ryu, to the list, to who knows where else. I think all's fair. Once it's
settled I'll do some ltters to accomplany my logo submission.
And the beta of the FAQ will be out soon, courtesy of Jonathan Ruano.
I listened to the Vibe Tribe mix of Revolution Earth last night, and is sure
it strange, weird, unusual, for Moby that is. I like it, but I never in a
million would have guessed it was him. (on 1st listen anyway) Very happy
schtuffe.
steve
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Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 10:17:46 -0400
From: Ryu <ryu97@psu.edu>
Subject: Re: (mobility) FIN!
>Let's spend a few more days working on this title,
>it's not going to make or break the artwork and it's
>obviously important that we get the title right.
i think that a title is just a title and that the music is what what
is most important for this compilation. do you think that moby's
gonna say...."hmmm...you know, this music sucks, but HEY,,,WHAT A
CLEVER TITLE THEY CAME UP WITH!"
i don't give a fudge what the title is at this point. you could
call it "2", and that's fine with me. we are wasting a ton of
bandwith discussing this, but if everyone wants to try and find a
better one that all of us will feel comfortable with, so be it.
we can spend as long as you'd like deciding on teh best title for
the compilation. make suggestions of new ideas if you have them,
or redesign the one we have so far. it would be better for all
those on this list that really don't care (which is afew at least) to
send the suggestions or revisions to me privately, and then i'll
forward them in bulk to the list for approval.
thanks,
ryu
**************************************************************
SHO RECORDS
The World's First Non-Profit Record Label
Specializing in Powerful Music
http://www.personal.psu.edu/users/jwz109
**************************************************************
724-869-0908 * Ryu * ryu97@psu.edu
**************************************************************
Ryu
536 Daly Ave.
Baden, PA 15005
**************************************************************
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 10:19:40 -0400
From: Ryu <ryu97@psu.edu>
Subject: Re: (mobility) FIN!
>As the artowrk goes, I think we will find that we will all have
>different ideas about that too. Instead of voting yes or no on
>completed covers, perhaps we could combine the best artwork by finding
>the best cover, typesetting (font), back cover, etc... design whatever
>comes to mind and sumbit more than once if you want- creative freedom
>might help us all make the most out of this project and I think
>it is important that all that are not involved in the artwork or
>music should still feel like part of this project by voting for
>what they think is the best way of doing this.
>
>Maybe we will like one person's lettering, but another's background art.
this will take too long and will be more work than is necessary.
i bet you bought cerial based on what prizes were inside didn't you?
i'm all for picking different artwork for the cover than the inside or
back...letting more than one artist be involved...but goins as far as choosing
separate typesetting and backgrounds...that's unnecessary.
- -ryu
**************************************************************
SHO RECORDS
The World's First Non-Profit Record Label
Specializing in Powerful Music
http://www.personal.psu.edu/users/jwz109
**************************************************************
724-869-0908 * Ryu * ryu97@psu.edu
**************************************************************
Ryu
536 Daly Ave.
Baden, PA 15005
**************************************************************
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 10:32:26 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Eric M. Goldberg" <gold@netrox.net>
Subject: (mobility) title
Honestly, I dont see why
were taking so long just to
name the thing.
It took only one word
last time..
"THANKS"
And usually when something
is released the second time,
a second volume, a number
is added.
So why cant it be simple?
Thanks 2
Thanks II,
whatever..
continuity is whats best
Not this huge long title that
will run off the cd spine.
By the time we come up with a title,
its going to be THANKSgiving!
just my humble opinion
Eric
gold@netrox.net
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Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 12:34:29 -0500
From: phathead@flash.net
Subject: (mobility) remixing
OK, there seems to be some confusion about taking parts
of Moby's already recorded songs and remixing them,
rearranging them, and adding your own flavor to it as well.
Will these remixes not even be allowed on the cd? I think
that would be a great mistake. Our last "Thanks" project
used parts of Moby's tracks so why can't we now?
My latest creation is an updated version of "Drug Fits The Face".
I'm sure Moby will understand as it is just part of dance music
culture to update older classic tracks.
RT
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 12:43:30 -0400
From: dredmond@bsumail.idbsu.edu (Daniel Redmond)
Subject: Re: (mobility) extra extra...
Sorry, I was hearing Serena Altschul (spelling unmercifully butchered.)
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 18:35:23 -0500
>From: "Brad Caviness" <bigwig@arkansas.net>
>Subject: RE: (mobility) extra exta read all about it!
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Steve Giles
>> The following was mercilessly ripped off from MTV news:
>>
>> 8.28.98 16:00 EDT
>> New Moby On The Way
>> Moby has released a punky, hip-hop-flavored single in the U.K.
>>
>Did anyone else hear Kurt Loder's voice when you read this article?
>
>BSC
>
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 18:14:35 -0500
From: John Turpin <jct1@Ra.MsState.Edu>
Subject: Re: (mobility) Blue Skies, Greyhound Part 1, FSR, OMD
>While I was there I looked in singles and vinyl for OMD, but no luck yet.
>Are they/he/she big? small? popular? I sumrise they've been around a while
>based on the Vinyl Vendors search I ran and told you about before...
Some of their big songs were "If You Leave" (used in _Pretty in Pink_),
"Enola Gay," and "Dreaming" ("I was only dreaming / I was only trying to
catch your eye / I was only wishing you would notice me / instead you said
goodbye"). They are/were sort of a minor '80s synthpop band, compared to
DM, etc.
- --
C The C.O.D. John Turpin
| <jct1@
/ \ Ra.MsState.Edu>
O D <http://www2.msstate.edu/~jct1/cod/>
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 18:20:38 -0500
From: John Turpin <jct1@Ra.MsState.Edu>
Subject: Re: (mobility) Thanks 2 title
>"MOBY - XMISSION Compilation 2"
> notes: "XMISSION" is another way of saying "mailing list"
I don't think so. "xmission.com" is the domain name of the ISP that hosts
the Mobility list. It'd be like using "AOL" in the name of the comp.
- --
C The C.O.D. John Turpin
| <jct1@
/ \ Ra.MsState.Edu>
O D <http://www2.msstate.edu/~jct1/cod/>
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 20:13:00 -0500
From: "Brad Caviness" <bigwig@arkansas.net>
Subject: RE: (mobility) remixing
> -----Original Message-----
> From: phathead@flash.net
> I'm sure Moby will understand as it is just part of dance music
> culture to update older classic tracks.
>
Moby himself is perfectly fine with the release and sampling. DEF and Mute
have no objections to us covering or using Moby's music for this tribute.
Warner/Chappell are willing to grant clearance (though I've been told it
will be time consuming) for mechanical use on any project Moby has agreed to
let use his music. MCT and Elektra, however, are another matter. MCT is
currently negotiating a new deal for Moby in the United States, and
underground projects such as this, can be misconstrued as bootlegging and
make a potential label think their possible stake in a new artist is at
stake and pass on signing. Elektra are also said to be cool on the idea
since the only way they are going to get a return on their investment in
Moby now is the sale of his records they have previously released, and
unauthorized sampling is seen as a violation of the copyrigts that they own
for the United States and a threat to their potential income. And since
nothing new will be coming in for them to promote, it isn't worth the
manpower to them to authorize clearance on an artist that is no longer
signed to the label. Clearance from Mute & Elektra are required for any use,
since both labels own an equal share in the recording and distroibution of
the music released on both labels.
Helpful?
BSC
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1998 00:47:41 -0400
From: Ryu <ryu97@psu.edu>
Subject: Re: (mobility) remixing
At 12:34 PM 9/25/98 -0500, you wrote:
>OK, there seems to be some confusion about taking parts
>of Moby's already recorded songs and remixing them,
>rearranging them, and adding your own flavor to it as well.
>Will these remixes not even be allowed on the cd? I think
>that would be a great mistake. Our last "Thanks" project
>used parts of Moby's tracks so why can't we now?
i didn't say that you couldn't use samples of moby's tracks.
i said that if you didn't tell me they were samples, i'd think
they were clever reproductions. do you understand what i'm
saying here?
wink wink wink...
- -ryu
**************************************************************
SHO RECORDS
The World's First Non-Profit Record Label
Specializing in Powerful Music
http://www.personal.psu.edu/users/jwz109
**************************************************************
724-869-0908 * Ryu * ryu97@psu.edu
**************************************************************
Ryu
536 Daly Ave.
Baden, PA 15005
**************************************************************
------------------------------
Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1998 02:28:16 -0700
From: "Dr. Killpatient" <rfu@stitch.com>
Subject: Re: (mobility) remixing
My question is if we say- yes there are samples (big ones)
is that going to be OK? I was planning on doing something very
obvious- a remix medley megamix with lots of Moby songs-
but it depends on how many people are doing covers vs. remixes
and what kind of problems it might cause.
No one really knows the answer....
One thing I would be confused about is when it's just a remix
of a Moby song with lots of direct samples then the credits
for the song should probably read like this:
Moby- Song Title (Mobility Member Remix)
Instead of:
Mobility Member- Song Title
as the cover versions should read.
At least that's the way it works for official remixes 99% of the time.
How was this handled for Thanks I??
As for the title of the CD, something simple for the spine is
fine, but I think there should be some kind of sub-title on the
CD cover mentioning "Mobility". I agree "remixes" should not
be in the title since many of the submissions will be covers.
So it would be "Thanks 2 Moby" with "Mobility's Tribute to Moby"
or something like that- I've never once seen a tribute album
that didn't have the word "tribute" on it somewhere, and I think
it's good to proclaim that it's a tribute.
paul
Ryu wrote:
>
> At 12:34 PM 9/25/98 -0500, you wrote:
> >OK, there seems to be some confusion about taking parts
> >of Moby's already recorded songs and remixing them,
> >rearranging them, and adding your own flavor to it as well.
> >Will these remixes not even be allowed on the cd? I think
> >that would be a great mistake. Our last "Thanks" project
> >used parts of Moby's tracks so why can't we now?
>
> i didn't say that you couldn't use samples of moby's tracks.
> i said that if you didn't tell me they were samples, i'd think
> they were clever reproductions. do you understand what i'm
> saying here?
> wink wink wink...
>
> -ryu
>
> **************************************************************
> SHO RECORDS
> The World's First Non-Profit Record Label
> Specializing in Powerful Music
> http://www.personal.psu.edu/users/jwz109
> **************************************************************
> 724-869-0908 * Ryu * ryu97@psu.edu
> **************************************************************
> Ryu
> 536 Daly Ave.
> Baden, PA 15005
> **************************************************************
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