ftp.xmission.com/2014.06.ftp.xmission.com.tar/ftp.xmission.com/pub/lists/mobility/archive/v01.n222

Internet Message Format | 1998-09-16 | 22KB

From: [e-mail] (mobility-digest)
To: [e-mail]
Subject: mobility-digest V1 #222
Reply-To: mobility
Sender: [e-mail]
Errors-To: [e-mail]
Precedence: bulk
X-No-Archive: yes

mobility-digest      Thursday, September 17 1998      Volume 01 : Number 222



(mobility) Lull tape
Re: (mobility) to buy or not to buy, what a silly question
(mobility) remove from list
Re: (mobility) to buy or not to buy, what a silly question
Re: (mobility) Oh,man!
(mobility) Situation out of control
(mobility) Re:  nothing
(mobility) Re: more nothing
Re: (mobility) flesh
Re: (mobility) Situation out of control
(mobility) more bits and pieces
Re: (mobility)
Re: (mobility) flesh
Re: (mobility) collabs
Re: (mobility) flesh
(mobility) Re:  nothing
Re: (mobility) flesh
Re: (mobility) Oh,man!

----------------------------------------------------------------------

Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 19:53:01 -0600
From: "krwilson" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) Lull tape

HEY,HEY,HEY!     I heard Xaq play a couple of songs off of the new "lull"
tape and I was impressed!  good stuff people.  mellow, but not too mellow.
beauty points are there.  structure and content.......... get one OK?(i get
paid tomorrow and I'm gonna get one after i cash my check)   :)





MO

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 20:51:12 -0500
From: Ade <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) to buy or not to buy, what a silly question

>>>look back at everything and calculate how much you payed for it.

Hey, Steve and others: I've got nothing rare, nothing vinyl, nothing that's
not in the avg. Mobyility collection.  But keep buying them all up and
doing that stuff--I think it's admirable.  I don't think we should knock
others on the list for their extensive collections.  Where do we unite
otherwise?


- --Ade.

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 19:02:14 -0700
From: Bonnie Williams <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) remove from list

Hey....how do you get removed from this list???
I can't keep up anymore

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 22:14:08 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (mobility) to buy or not to buy, what a silly question

steve, do you know any stores here in chicago that have a lot of moby. if you
do, either post or private please.
thanks
drew

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 22:45:15 CDT
From: "Derek Goodwrench" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) Oh,man!

    You've got me thinking. It's sad to hear that they're making a game
out of it sometimes. Sort of like someone dabbling with my own life if I
was in the same position. Thanks.



    As always,
          d

   http://home.talkcity.com/BasinSt/djicey/


______________________________________________________
Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 00:34:47 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: (mobility) Situation out of control

I just want everyone to understand what I am saying. This is the one thing I
don't like about email is you can't convey feelings over it. You can tell when
someone is happy or angry when they are writing a letter, but email has
nothing. First of all, about the Moby collecting. I think it is awesome. Don't
get me wrong. I was just wondering how much money was spent on all the Moby. I
get Moby whenever I see it, I just don't go out to the web stores to do it. MY
collection is at 33 CDs and that is it. People think I am crazy because they
listen to Puff Daddy or whatever who only has 2 albums. As for the meat, it
seems I am in the vocal minority for the pro-steak side. I used to live in PA
and the butcher that we bought all our meat from did not get meat like that.
Maybe Purdue or some huge companies do that, but not locally, at least what I
am familiar with. And, the truth is that we are supporting this by eating
meat. However, we buy shoes, wear clothes, have pets, and go fishing. There is
just as bad if not worse treatment in those industries - Nike - Gifford -
Puppy Mills - Dolphins. And 2 of them deal with humans. My feeling is that if
you want to believe in it, then do it. You can't go halfway. If you are a
vegetarian with leather boots or wallet or anything along those lines, that is
pure hipocracy. If you are against polution, don't drive a car or at least get
your emmission controled and light your house by candlelight and cook over the
fireplace. Moby is a great example, and even though I can see where he comes
from and even agree with most of what he says, I could not see myself changing
my mind. And I am sorry if this sounds bitter or negative or pissy, if you all
had AOL (which I don't recomend) I would send it to you in pink text. Later.
AJ

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 22:29:24 +0000
From: clay <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) Re:  nothing

I'M quite sure god doesn't want you to fuck anyone........ever.

by the way plovious>>>>>>>>>>

i got your chart....sending it this week........


and why doesn't moby ever share his views here.......EVER?




clay

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 22:36:50 +0000
From: clay <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) Re: more nothing

>  And finally, I just wanted to say that
> Steve and the new/old guy have got more Moby that Moby knows about and that is
> so awesome, but you should now look back at everything and calculate how much
> you payed for it. Later.
> AJ

EXACTLY....it's only money
do you ever give a dime to help people who are political prisoners
or victims of aids?
how about abused and negleccted children?

you could build a temple....but.....in fact, i think you are!




clay

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 22:41:08 +0000
From: clay <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) flesh

> Generally, Moby followers aren't dumb enough to just follow things blindly
> unlike SOME people *coughSPICEGIRLSFANScough* (jen sez ditto). peace.
>

...........actually.....moby says he likes the spice girls.....cough
peace


clay
peace please
exactly


we're all braggers steve and accusers
glad you're a-okay financially

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 23:39:31 -0700
From: Shane Snyder/SantaAna/IM-US/Ingram<[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) Situation out of control

I personally started eating a vegan diet a few years ago. Recently I have
stopped being so strict due to the overwhelming pressure when eating out/at
friends, etc. At this time, I eat vegan to the extent possible without
sacrificing the need for a nutritious meal when away from home.

My decision for eating this way was based solely on the nutritional
reasons. Eating animals was not an original intention of our creator, and
our bodies do not metabolize animal fats and protiens the same way they do
those found in plant foods. It is that simple.

I discovered Moby right after making the change in my diet and thought it
was a neat coincidence. However, I completely disagree with him on the
reasons for being vegetarian. It is not cruel to eat animals. They are a
natural resource of the earth, the same as plants, water, soil, oil,
minerals, etc. etc. etc. God gave them to us as a gift, to serve whatever
purposes we find for them, whether it be entertainment, transportation,
protection, clothing, or even food.

Genesis 9:3,4 "Every moving animal that is alive may serve as food for YOU.
As in the case
of green vegetation, I do give it all to YOU. Only flesh with its soul-its
blood-YOU must not eat."

They fact they move and breath and pro-create simply gives witness to the
intelligence of the God that created them. But, if Moby was truly a
Christian, he would know the Jehovah created animals to be in subjection to
mankind. They do not have 'rights'. This does NOT mean that we should be
careless and wasteful. As with any natural resource, they should be treated
with respect and conserved. Causing animals unnecessary suffering or
killing them to point of extinction is blatantly disrespectful.

Proverbs 12:10 "The righteous one is caring for the soul of his domestic
animal,"

It is noteworthy though that mankind did not eat animals until AFTER the
great flood of Noah's day. However, after Armageddon, when the Earth is
restored to the paradise it was intended to be, most likely mankind will
return to a strictly vegetarian diet.

And that is all I have to say about that....

- ----===MoonDogg-->






[e-mail] on 09/16/98 05:34:47 PM
Please respond to [e-mail]
To:     [e-mail]
cc:

Subject:        (mobility) Situation out of control

I just want everyone to understand what I am saying. This is the one thing
I
don't like about email is you can't convey feelings over it. You can tell
when
someone is happy or angry when they are writing a letter, but email has
nothing. First of all, about the Moby collecting. I think it is awesome.
Don't
get me wrong. I was just wondering how much money was spent on all the
Moby. I
get Moby whenever I see it, I just don't go out to the web stores to do it.
MY
collection is at 33 CDs and that is it. People think I am crazy because
they
listen to Puff Daddy or whatever who only has 2 albums. As for the meat, it
seems I am in the vocal minority for the pro-steak side. I used to live in
PA
and the butcher that we bought all our meat from did not get meat like
that.
Maybe Purdue or some huge companies do that, but not locally, at least what
I
am familiar with. And, the truth is that we are supporting this by eating
meat. However, we buy shoes, wear clothes, have pets, and go fishing. There
is
just as bad if not worse treatment in those industries - Nike - Gifford -
Puppy Mills - Dolphins. And 2 of them deal with humans. My feeling is that
if
you want to believe in it, then do it. You can't go halfway. If you are a
vegetarian with leather boots or wallet or anything along those lines, that
is
pure hipocracy. If you are against polution, don't drive a car or at least
get
your emmission controled and light your house by candlelight and cook over
the
fireplace. Moby is a great example, and even though I can see where he
comes
from and even agree with most of what he says, I could not see myself
changing
my mind. And I am sorry if this sounds bitter or negative or pissy, if you
all
had AOL (which I don't recomend) I would send it to you in pink text.
Later.
AJ

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 03:11:08 -0400
From: Keith Clancy <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) more bits and pieces

Dan Cerman wrote:
 "Wow, that's a really impressive list, Keith!  There's a lot on there
that I don't have.  Please tell us about this EIW Interview.  Is it
on CD?  If so, I'd appreciate any & all information you can give
about it for use in the discography, such as its catalog number,
track list (questions), etc.  I've been wondering for a long time
whether there was an EIW interview disc (I have the AR Interview)."
    I just ordered this so dont have any info yet but will send it as soon
as I get it.  Also I real am surprised that anyone is having problems with
Replay records.  Have dealt with them mutiple times before and had no
problems before (usually got my stuff with in 5 days after I ordered it and
I live a little outside of NYC). I thought they only do 12"s?
   Also Steve, great collection.  Please get your record player hooked up
because I would love to trade tapes of some of that great rare vinyl.
Later all, Keith

Now Playing - Tori Amos- Raspberry Swirl(scarlet spectrum mix) great ambient
take on this kick ass Tori song, though I really wished this was on vinyl so
I could slow it down and add a dub line from the other deck.

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 10:46:35 +0200
From: Volker Kleffmann <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility)

Any german ones out there?

- --
Mit freundlichen Gr=FC=DFen,
i.A. Volker Kleffmann
FACTUM Projektentwicklung und Management GmbH
- ---
E-Mail:   [e-mail]
Internet: http://www.factum-gmbh.de

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 02:48:18 -0600
From: "Michael Rice" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) flesh

Just wondering, how many of you people have given up eating flesh because
of Moby?


I haven't given up animal products entirely, yet.  I'm gradually cutting
meat and dairy products out of my diet, as well as reducing my purchases of
leather products and the like.  I suppose I could go cold turkey, but I'm
afraid I'd totally lapse and give up if I did.

I would give Moby some credit for being influential in my decision to do so,
however, there have been many other factors in my decision to go this way.

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 02:53:41 -0600
From: "Michael Rice" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) collabs

Dunno if I'm too late to throw my 2 cents in on this topic, but...

I doubt it would ever work, but if I could select someone for Moby to
collaborate with, I'd go with Jello Biafra or Chuck D, my 2 other
favorites...

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 10:12:40 +0100 (British Summer Time)
From: Tim Beecher <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) flesh

Your sentiments appreciated. I agree with you about killing
something painlessly for food. Sometimes it's necessary for
people to eat meat, especially if you're an eskimo - not
much plant matter to live off where they live, is there?
The point is though that our artificial ways of farming,
i.e. intensive and factory farming are appalling! The
animals have miserable lives - few have the luxury of open
fields and pastures - well that's the case in Europe
anyway. They're pumped full of antibiotics, drugs and
hormones to help prevent disease (being in such cramped
conditions) and to artificailly make them grow faster. It
can't be much fun, for something that feels pain and has
certain emotions. The resulting meat can't be much good
for the consumer, or the environment either! I can't afford
free range/organic meat because it's so bloody expensive -
I'm a poverty-stricken student, but anyway I'm quite happy
not to eat meat - I don't have to buy something that
contributes to mass butchery, but I can't say I'd never eat
meat if I ever went to certain parts of the world where the
animals were brought up 'humanely' and killed painlessly!?

I also think it becomes more important when human lives are
threatened because of intensive livestock production. For
example, rainforests cleared for cattle grazing, to produce
more meat for over-eating Western capitalists, encroaching
on tribal people's homes and causing mass murder! I can
think of numerous fast-food companies responsible for that,
but let's not concern ourselves with that - it's half-way
across the globe and doesn't affect us! It's far easier to
sit on our arses and stuff our faces without thinking what
we're contributing to by buying a nicely packaged piece of
rump steak.

Good stuff people.

TMB

On Wed, 16 Sep 1998 17:42:51 EDT [e-mail] wrote:

> The reason I didn't want to talk about this subject is not because anyones
> feelings would get hurt. If you feel abused or neglected or whatever because
> of email, well then you have big issues than what to eat for dinner. I didn't
> want to talk about it because our mailboxes get flooded - and the emails are
> much longer than normal. IT can be good, but I don't see it with this topic
> that cannot get solved. Animals are made of meat, and so are humans.
> Unfortunatly, they are always out of human when I go to the butcher. I guess I
> have to wake up earlier. And I'll tell you what. Say you were living your
> whole life to one day be the first person on MARS. you knew you would never
> come back because you were going to die after a day there. But that was your
> only purpose. To send back video footage. Whatever. Those live their life just
> to get fed to us. They don't have a bad life, the sit and eat good food. I
> don't know how they die, but there are plenty of ways to kill them that are
> not painfull at all. It doesn't matter if they want to or not. It isn't like
> Bessy was going to find the cure for Mad Cow Desease or something. They serve
> their purpose. If their treatment is the issue, I hope none of you vegetarians
> have dogs. Maybe you should go out to a puppy mill one day. Anyway, I am going
> up for a ham sandwich. Oh yea, ou are right that this has more relevance to
> anything than Ken Starr. If those damn republicans would just mind their own
> business. And about God creating animals with meat, I don't believe in God, so
> that is not my basis for that either. And finally, I just wanted to say that
> Steve and the new/old guy have got more Moby that Moby knows about and that is
> so awesome, but you should now look back at everything and calculate how much
> you payed for it. Later.
> AJ
>

- ----------------------
Tim Beecher
Cranfield University
[e-mail]

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 10:29:10 +0100 (British Summer Time)
From: Tim Beecher <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) Re:  nothing

On Wed, 16 Sep 1998 22:29:24 +0000 clay <[e-mail]>
wrote:

> I'M quite sure god doesn't want you to fuck anyone........ever.
>
>
Sure He does - He created us to have sex didn't He? But
like sensibly, maybe!? Don't ask me what that means!

>
>
> clay
>

- ----------------------
Tim Beecher
Cranfield University
[e-mail]

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 10:35:52 +0100 (British Summer Time)
From: Tim Beecher <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) flesh

On Wed, 16 Sep 1998 22:41:08 +0000 clay <[e-mail]>
wrote:

> > Generally, Moby followers aren't dumb enough to just follow things blindly
> > unlike SOME people *coughSPICEGIRLSFANScough* (jen sez ditto). peace.
> >
> Yesterday ginger was trying to be Princess Diana -
selling her really stylish, quality outfits - the money was
going to charity though....God, I'm so bitchy!

>
>
> clay
> peace please
> exactly
>
>
> we're all braggers steve and accusers
> glad you're a-okay financially
>
I wish I was, but I can't complain, too much. There's a
pretty bad famine in S. Sudan I hear.

TMB
- ----------------------
Tim Beecher
Cranfield University
[e-mail]

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 10:43:05 +0100 (British Summer Time)
From: Tim Beecher <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) Oh,man!

All I can say is - my sentiments exactly. I hope more
e-mails like this clog up the system! Thanks.

TMB

On Wed, 16 Sep 1998 19:46:01 -0600 krwilson
<[e-mail]> wrote:

> Oh,man! i just got done reading all of those responses to thanks 2 and
> flesh.................................................hmmmmmm...............
> ..........most of you surprised me with your open-mindedness on a subject I
> usually get brow-beaten on.  I don't think i'll talk about this anymore.  I
> realize now that people are able to rationalize any behavior, no matter how
> cruel.  Cows are kept in cages barely big enough to hold them-let alone
> move around.  People who work in "livestock production"(VERY pc name for
> this barbary) do cruel and unusual things to the poor animals that would
> make you sick.  I have read books on the subject and have heard stories
> about this.  People throw live baby chickens into meat grinders to feed the
> other animals.  One of my friends knew a guy who worked at a
> slaughterhouse, and he said some of the guys would  take perverse pleasure
> in torturing the animals before finally killing them.  If you pay for meat,
> you directly support animal cruelty of the most atrocious kind.  I say
> don't pay for something if you don't believe in it.  As for having to get
> new friends etc., will power is created out of thin air--you can do
> anything you want if you decide it is right.
>
>
> As for people who think this topic has gotten too far away from Moby, I
> would bet anything he would be more impressed with our discussions on moral
> issues than he ever could be by listing hard-to-find moby tracks.  I have
> nothing against anything posted here, but i like to get into deep matters
> from time to time.  As i said, this is my final word on the subject.  I
> hope it at least got one person thinking.................
>
>
>
>
> On the subject of thanks 2, I was very encouraged by the enthusiasm for the
> idea.  Maybe if I(and possibly some one else) can do the whole DAT thing,
> and ryu can do the cd/copyright thing, and we all do some tracks, we could
> do one every year.  I'm sure a few people who did the first one are smiling
> saying "Just try one and see if you ever want to do it again", but you
> people don't know how much i love producing, writing, anything to do with
> music.  It's not all fun, but I love a challenge.  Lets keep kickin' around
> ideas.
>
>
> Sorry for the heavy content, but a good dose of the truth only hurts you if
> you let it.
>
>
>
>
> MO
>

- ----------------------
Tim Beecher
Cranfield University
[e-mail]

------------------------------

End of mobility-digest V1 #222
******************************

-------------
To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [e-mail]
with the line "unsubscribe mobility-digest" in the body.