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mobility-digest     Wednesday, September 16 1998     Volume 01 : Number 220



RE: (mobility) Thanks 2
RE: (mobility) Thanks 2
Re: (mobility) Wholelotta Honey
(mobility) EIW Interview
Re: (mobility) Re: mobility-digest V1 #218
Re: (mobility) flesh
Re: (mobility) flesh
Re: (mobility) flesh
Re: (mobility) veggiennnthanx
Re: (mobility) flesh
Re: (mobility) flesh
Re: (mobility) flesh
(mobility) Re: mobility-digest V1 #219
(mobility) Re: mobility-digest V1 #219
Re: (mobility) parade
Re: (mobility) an afterthought
(mobility) Glad you could join us...

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Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 21:58:49 -0500
From: "Brad Caviness" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (mobility) Thanks 2

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ryu
> i'd like to make a second tribute....i think it's time.
>
> feedback anyone?
>
I'm up for it, I think. As soon as I clear up some harddrive space, I'm
going to finally attempt that Oil 1+2=3 edit from I Like to Score and the
Outtakes cassette. And I just took the tape Oil 2 is on to my friend's
studio across town. Now I have to go get it again. Or maybe I can just do
the edit over there on Randy's better equiptment for $20 an hour. On second
thought, maybe I better just go pick up the tape.

BSC

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Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 22:09:51 -0500
From: Brian Behm <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (mobility) Thanks 2

>Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 21:03:09 -0500
>From: "Andrew J. Davies" <[e-mail]>
>Subject: RE: (mobility) Thanks 2
>
>i would certainly be interested in contributing to the second album!  no
>more production for me for a while!

I'd volunteer a track. The Benny Hinn Experience would be honored to cover
a Moby track. :-)

Brian the Minnesotan (who'll change the name to the Robert Tilton
Experience as soon as he gets sued)

The extent to which we think such trivialities as "WWJD" or Testamints are
effective witnesses to an unbelieving world says quite a bit about the
depth of our faith, and I say that to our collective shame. ~Matt Laswell
- [e-mail]--------------------------

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Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 22:36:42 -0500
From: Christopher Michael Bourke <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) Wholelotta Honey

>Hello list!  I finally got both Honey CD's as well as the UK vinyl.  I have
to
>listen to them more to give a review.  Anyway, kudos to whoever put up the
>address for Replay records (was it you Steve??? you rawk).  I put the order
in
>on Thurs and received it today.  Fast for the UK.
>
>-Carmen B.


WHAT?  I reposted the address for Replay records but when I ordered over 2
weeks ago they said that they were out of the 1st CD and it would take a few
days to restock.  I still haven't recieved anything!!!  Anyway, how much did
you end up paying?  I calculated that it was less than 11 dollars (US) for
both CDs and shipping.  What's up with my order?

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Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 22:13:51 -0600
From: Daniel Cerman <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) EIW Interview

[was Re: (mobility) OMD remix and hi, sorry its a long one]

Keith Clancy wrote, among other things:
> Everything is Wrong interview

Wow, that's a really impressive list, Keith!  There's a lot on there
that I don't have.  Please tell us about this EIW Interview.  Is it
on CD?  If so, I'd appreciate any & all information you can give
about it for use in the discography, such as its catalog number,
track list (questions), etc.  I've been wondering for a long time
whether there was an EIW interview disc (I have the AR Interview).

Daniel Cerman
http://www.moby.org/

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Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 23:27:12 -0500
From: "DREW" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) Re: mobility-digest V1 #218

>
>can someone tell me something
>about Morcheeba? They are playing in DC on Friday and I was wondering what
>they are. Thanks. Later.
>AJ


sup
i saw morcheeba last friday last friday in dallas...i highly recommendu
going to check it out...i describe the music as if Sade was lead singer of a
happier portishead...

drew

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Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 00:49:00 -0400
From: Ryu <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) flesh

>If God didn't want us to eat animals, then why did he make them with meat?

if god didn't want us to fuck until we all died from disease,
why did he create pee pee's and love holes?

not everything that god created is ours to indulge in i don't think.

- -ryu

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Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 02:25:24 -0700
From: Anthony Colorez <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) flesh

krwilson wrote:
>
> Just wondering, how many of you people have given up eating flesh because
> of Moby?Sorry is anyone considers this to be off topic, but
lately I've been trying to get my arms up to 16", so let's just say that
I have not kicked the red(or white) meat habit- yet because when ever I
stop eating meat for a period of more than a few weeks my growth cums to
sudden halt. although I admit that I haven't looked into many "meat
alternatives".
I've been toying with the idea of becoming a vegan for a while, and yes
Moby (and others) have made me actually think about it seriously. right
now I don't drink, smoke, shoot up, ect.(although Moby didn't influence
this at all) oh, and Dairy products disgust me. I mean drinking milk from
a cow that was supposed to be for a calve? unnngh.
- -Anthony

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Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 03:14:21 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (mobility) flesh

I didn't mean to provoke this discussion, cause it will never end. IT will be
like that religion one months ago where I just gave up reading posts from this
list. So.... How about this Ken Starr guy? Later.
AJ

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Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 12:17:03 +0100 (British Summer Time)
From: Tim Beecher <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) veggiennnthanx

On Tue, 15 Sep 1998 16:35:04 -0400 Steve Giles
<[e-mail]> wrote:


>
> I recognize the merit displayed within the EIW liner notes, but I lack the
> motivation & willpower to become a vegetarian. Philisophically I think it's
> a great idea. I know one never knows until he tries, but I can't even kick
> cigarettes. (most of the time I don't even want to, health or no health) I
> lack the energy even to be disgusted w/ my own apathy, but at least I
> recognize my faults, which I guess is the first step in attacking them. My
> life is busy and I don't have room to make sweeping changes now. To
> completely alter my diet and quit smoking would test every iota of mental
> strength I have, something I'm not ready to try yet. I know I would be an
> agitated, unsympathetic, rude, short-fused individual for however long it
> would take to adjust, and I don't want to put myself and my friends & family
> through that. Maybe later. Please keep critical comments on this where they
> belong, private if it's solely about me, public if it's Moby-related.
>
> Oh yeah, I'd have to move out and make all new friends if I did that too.
> The temptation of being surrounded by that which I'm trying to escape would
> be too much.
>
> -Steve
>
I know what you mean. I'm still trying to give up smoking
ciggies (cannibis is even harder, but I don't smoke that
very much anymore - it would be great to get it in tablet
form though), but I'm slowly getting there I think!? I
found it much easier to give up eating meat than smoking,
but that's me! I think I've got a pretty good diet of fresh
fruit and veg. and all the other wonderful new veggie meat
substitutes (normally made out of soya, tofu or 'Quorn'
mycoprotein) availbale now and feel so much better,
especially now I've combined it with more exercise. I know
it doesn't sound very appealing to those who are avid
meat-eaters, but it can and does work for many. Sometimes
it takes just a little more imagination when you cook or
buy whatever food wherever. I hope this didn't sound too
critical or self-righteous!?

TMB

- ----------------------
Tim Beecher
Cranfield University
[e-mail]

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Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 12:21:09 +0100 (British Summer Time)
From: Tim Beecher <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) flesh

On Tue, 15 Sep 1998 15:10:29 -0600 krwilson
<[e-mail]> wrote:

> Just wondering, how many of you people have given up eating flesh because
> of Moby?
>
> I gave up before I got into Moby. When I discovered his
music and his philosophies on life I was very encouraged
and pleased, to put it mildly.
>
>
>
>
> TMB
>
>
>
> MO
>

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Tim Beecher
Cranfield University
[e-mail]

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Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 13:13:50 +0100 (British Summer Time)
From: Tim Beecher <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) flesh

Not eating meat doesn't mean you can't be a body-builder.
There are alternative sources of protein. They had a
debate on TV last year about vegetarianism, etc and
brought on two body-builders - both were roughly the same
size and one was a strict vegetarian. It is harder to get
alternative sources of protein because humans (in the West
anyway) have geared their lives around animal products, but
it is possible.

If it isn't, then you've got to rationalise and think which
is more important - how you look or how the animals you eat
suffer? It sounds a bit of a cliche I know, but it's true.

I mean we in the West especially, have no excuse. We've got
plenty of food while others are starving. They're the ones
who need our meat - we don't really need it at all. In
certain parts of the world they have to eat meat to survive
and no one should deny them that. But the west has a choice
and why choose unnecessary suffering to other beings that
feel pain and emotions when we don't have to!?

Anyway, it makes far more sense if most of the world was
vegetarian, because it means less global pollution, less
unnatural ways of producing meat and the accompanying
diseases associated with intensive livestock production,
more land, more people who are starving will be fed and
less suffering and pain all-round really.

Right I'll shut-up now!

TMB


On Wed, 16 Sep 1998 02:25:24 -0700 Anthony Colorez
<[e-mail]> wrote:

> krwilson wrote:
> >
> > Just wondering, how many of you people have given up eating flesh because
> > of Moby?Sorry is anyone considers this to be off topic, but
> lately I've been trying to get my arms up to 16", so let's just say that
> I have not kicked the red(or white) meat habit- yet because when ever I
> stop eating meat for a period of more than a few weeks my growth cums to
> sudden halt. although I admit that I haven't looked into many "meat
> alternatives".
> I've been toying with the idea of becoming a vegan for a while, and yes
> Moby (and others) have made me actually think about it seriously. right
> now I don't drink, smoke, shoot up, ect.(although Moby didn't influence
> this at all) oh, and Dairy products disgust me. I mean drinking milk from
> a cow that was supposed to be for a calve? unnngh.
> -Anthony
>

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Tim Beecher
Cranfield University
[e-mail]

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Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 13:43:00 +0100 (British Summer Time)
From: Tim Beecher <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) flesh

Hey dude! Your entitled to your views. I don't want to piss
you off or anything, but why can't we just try to have a
logical conversation about something that's quite important
- - even more important than discussing Ken Starr! I mean so
what if people disagree with you - does that mean we should
run away from the issue in a tantrum and not face it (that
Moby song springs to mind! Wow I managed to get
down something Moby related!)!?

Anyhow, this discussion is Moby related - regarding his
philosophies on life and how we relate to each other and
other living beings and everything.

I know I'm no saint and I piss people off like everyone
does at some time in their lives, but as long as we don't
take it too personally, learn from our mistakes and not
give up. Alright I must stop preaching now!

TMB

On Wed, 16 Sep 1998 03:14:21 EDT [e-mail] wrote:

> I didn't mean to provoke this discussion, cause it will never end. IT will be
> like that religion one months ago where I just gave up reading posts from this
> list. So.... How about this Ken Starr guy? Later.
> AJ
>

- ----------------------
Tim Beecher
Cranfield University
[e-mail]

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Date: 16 Sep 1998 11:16:07 -0500
From: "April Kilduff" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) Re: mobility-digest V1 #219

                                                                   9/16/98
              RE>mobility-digest V1 #219                            11:10 AM

i was a vegetarian long before i heard moby, but his views definitely were one
of the things that impressed me about him. a lot of people say it isn't a
musician's place to get all ethical/political and that they should just stick
to making music. that seems like a really shallow point of view. we are all
responsible for how we lead our lives and recognizing the impact that has on
the world around us. more power to moby for standing up for his beliefs. i
made the transition to vegan a few months ago, mostly because of my brother
and because i could no longer justify not being one. reading moby's essays and
liner notes now gives me support in this choice and in general i feel so much
better about myself living this lifestyle. there's my 2 cents. while i'd love
to hear more opinions on the subject, let's not let it degenerate into mission
of conversion. what you eat is a personal choice and veggies who attack
nonveggies give us a bad name. it's all about the process anyways, maybe
something one of us says today will manifest later in someone's life.  :>

april.

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Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 17:36:37 +0100 (British Summer Time)
From: Tim Beecher <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) Re: mobility-digest V1 #219

 while i'd love
> to hear more opinions on the subject, let's not let it degenerate into mission
> of conversion. what you eat is a personal choice and veggies who attack
> nonveggies give us a bad name. it's all about the process anyways, maybe
> something one of us says today will manifest later in someone's life.  :>
>
> april.
>
Agreed about the 'mission conversion' bit. I hope that
wasn't what I was perceived to be doing!? I'm all for
people's free will to choose, but that shouldn't stop
anyone from expressing the reasons for and against anything.
Anyway Steve, thanks for bringing up the topic - I
certainly appreciated it!

Just to keep my conscience clear, apologies to anyone who
thought I was being too preachy, self-opinionated and
typed too much, but I don't regret it.

TMB

P.S. Just to be extra creepy and cover my previous written
onslaughts - sorry to Paul and anyone else who were
insulted by my views on REM (I liked the early stuff
though!)- who may have taken it personally. I mean it's
nice if people are happy and shiny and sure, everybody
hurts and we should care about people that do, but for some
reason those songs just grate on me.
>

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Tim Beecher
Cranfield University
[e-mail]

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Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 12:36:21 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (mobility) parade

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Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 11:39:04 CDT
From: "Derek Goodwrench" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) an afterthought

   I've tried becoming a vegetarian, too, but that didn't last too long.
It's a wonderful idea and I've tried it, but didn't have the power to
will my way away from meat. I don't smoke or drink, so I don't have any
other habits to kick. I might try to quit again, but it's highly
unlikely I can quit eating meat. I love animals and agree with
everything Moby says, but I just don't think I'll ever be able to do it.
   Keeping on-topic, I don't know if Moby himself has always been a
vegetarian or not. If not, I'd sure like to know how he kicked the
habit. I know Morrissey, who is also a vegetarian, said once that he
didn't think he's ever eaten meat. Still, it's a lot more difficult to
do than I thought before trying it.



    As always,
          d

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Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 12:55:08 -0400
From: Steve Giles <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) Glad you could join us...

Keith, kickass collection you got there. We should trade sometime. Not now,
though, cause I need my record player hooked up to something that records...
Anyways, I'll post my list as well, same idea w/ the * meaning 'in the mail.
I think I have everything here...

CDs

Moby
Early Underground
Rare
Go bonus disc
Next Is The E
Into The Blue #1 UK
Into The Blue #2 UK
Hymn (This Is My Dream) UK
Animal Rights UK
Little Idiot UK
Bring Back My Happiness
Feeling So Real
Move
Voodoo Child - End Of Everything UK
Everytime You Touch Me
I Like To Score
Revolver #1 UK
Lopez - Emptiness
*What Love CD promo
*Revolver #2
*ATINITBL promo w/ Shining, New Dawn Fades, ITB Spencer mix
*In Defense of Animals w/ Let's Go Free live
*Revolver promo w/ Whip It & 2 AR live songs
*hymn.alt.quiet.version
*ETYTM 3-track promo
*DJ Cake - Sugar Baby / Found A Way
*Into The Blue (w/ Shining)

Other CD:

The Heads "Damage I've Done"
David Bowie "Dead Man Walking"
Jam & Spoon "Stella"
Brian Eno "Fractal Zoom"
Smashing Pumpkins "1979 remixes"

On 12", LP

Revolver remixes
James Bond US promo (Extended, Twilo, CJ Bolland & Bonus Beats)
Drop A Beat
Next Is The E
Next Is The E promo
I Feel It
Move
Hymn (This Is My Dream, Laurent's Wake Up, Upriver, Dirty Hypo)
Bring Back My Happiness
ATINITBL mixes
Move mixes
Voodoo Child - Dog Heaven
Voodoo Child - VC Remixes 12"
UHF 12"
Mobility 12"
Brainstorm 12"
Barracuda 12"
Go 12" (Analog Nightime Low Spirit Rainforest)
Moby self-titled 12"
The Brotherhood - Time's Up 12"
Honey promo (3 different)
Pork Guys 7"
*Into The Blue Vasquez mixes
*Revolver w/ both Rollo & Sister Bliss mixes
*Voodoo Child 12"
*AWOL 7" (Deep Thoughts About The End)

Other 12"

The Heads "Damage I've Done"
David Bowie "Dead Man Walking" promo
*Jam & Spoon "Stella"
*B52s "Revolution Earth/Mo-Dean?"
*B52s "Good Stuff"
*Shamen "Make It Mine"
*Fortran 5 "Heart On The Line"
*Soho "Ride"
*John Lydon "Sun" w/Grave Ride
*Recoil "Faith Healer"
*Pet Shop Boys "Was It Worth It?" w/Miserablism

Wow. I didn't realize how much stuff I had coming until I compiled this
list...

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