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mobility-digest          Monday, June 8 1998          Volume 01 : Number 176



(mobility) ya can't stop Sampling
Re: (mobility) Sampling
Re: (mobility) Re: blue light of the underwater sun
Re: (mobility) Sampling
(mobility) you be the judge ...
(mobility) love theme
Re: (mobility) Sampling
RE: (mobility) Re: blue light of the underwater sun
Re: (mobility) you be the judge ...
(mobility) Re: mobility-digest V1 #175
(mobility) German dj remakes "go"
[none]
Re: (mobility) love theme
Re: (mobility) Re: blue light of the underwater sun
(mobility) Re: mobility-digest V1 #175
(mobility) Let's Go Crazy
Re: (mobility) you be the judge ...
(mobility) mimi "soak"

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Date: Sun, 07 Jun 1998 21:45:08 +0000
From: clayEV2k <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) ya can't stop Sampling

>  samples that can obviously be identifed are not only cheezy
> but unoriginal and I feel insulting to the original author

WELL...... i'm sure some people who have had their work sampled actually
consider it an honor> as their work is being referred to as some sort of
foundation upon which others can build something that can be grooved
upon, danced to, and yukked about>
it is always in HOW one goes about making such a reference
that distinguishes between chheeeeeeezy and unoriginal
and brilliant and respectful.....original without pretending to be
THE original>
i think their is actually more interesting music these days that sneak
samples into the mix....whether it be a sound or a phrase....looped or
played as a single shot......than there is music played by five guys
playing guitar bass drums and so forth>>>>>>>>>>
the fact is that guitars and drums have such a limited breadth of sonic
capability...in and of themselves....yet through electronics that range
is stretched almost beyond comprehension>

furthermore....i think it's almost absurd that we can even question the
viability of the use of samples within the framework of a moby list as
moby has built so much of what he has done through the use of samples
as......all dj's do>

i do agree that samples can totally suck when worked in the hands of
idiots>>>>>>>
just the same they are the language by which most truly modern composers
producers musicians on the cutting edge speak and understand >>>>>>>>>


and ya can't stop it



clay
evolution2000

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Date: Sun, 07 Jun 1998 21:53:19 +0000
From: clayEV2k <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) Sampling

>   Off-subject, does anyone think Pink Floyd can be successfully remixed?
> I got into a discussion with my partner-in-crime, and he says no, but i
> disagree. Anyone care to comment?

anything could be mixed if in the right hands
and with the proper motivation...........
which can't be money>>>>>>>>>>>>>>


clay

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Date: Sun, 07 Jun 1998 22:44:50 -0700
From: "Dr. Killpatient" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) Re: blue light of the underwater sun

dan perry wrote:
>
> "Dr. Killpatient" <[e-mail]> wrote:
> > That voice at the beginning is this guy who has a whole series
> > of tapes for hypnotism, astral projection, and lucid dreaming.
> ?  it sounds like moby to me.  isn't it moby?

it's possible. But it sounds sooo much like this other guy
who has many tapes with similar material- if you want to compare
the two I will make my song with samples of him in real audio.
paul

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Date: Sun, 07 Jun 1998 22:46:00 -0700
From: "Dr. Killpatient" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) Sampling

Dennis Daniels wrote:
>
>       I don't hate the song, it's just that it got on my nerves at times.
> The live version is what i'm talking about, seeing as how i've never heard
> the original(?) Mixing two different songs is original, yes, but I don't
> like Bon Jovi anyway, so it's criticism in a way. Belinda Carlisle is good,
> though. I love Orbital, though.
>      Off-subject, does anyone think Pink Floyd can be successfully remixed?
> I got into a discussion with my partner-in-crime, and he says no, but i
> disagree. Anyone care to comment?


I think the Orb would be great for that job!
paul

>
>     The Incredible, Edible d.
>
> ----------
> >A good example of oversampling (IMHO) is Orbital's "Halcyon".
>
> Really?  I love that song (IMHO as well).  I think it actually uses
> sampling in a pretty creative way--I like the way they mix the two samples
> together, etc.
>
> I'm not necessarily an avid fan of songs that use sampling, but I don't
> think they always bother me.  If someone is just ripping off a song and
> does nothing but change the lyrics, then that's not that artistic.  But a
> lot of songs use samples in pretty artistic ways that results in a great
> new piece.  I don't think a song should be criticised /just because/ it
> uses samples.  If it's a good song, it should be hailed as a good song.  I
> agree though, that credit should definately be given to the source of the
> sample as well.

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Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 04:49:30 EDT
From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) you be the judge ...

this past weekend, i went to visit my best friend at college.  his roommate is
a big Insane Clown Posse fan, and has damn near everything they've ever put
out.  among the things in his collection was an album entitled "the terror
wheel," which bears a striking resemblance to something that our own Mr. Hall
released some time ago ... all the ICP did was take the pic from the back
cover of the domestic Go! single, change the color, and slap on their own band
symbol.  anyway, i posted the two pics on a web page so you could all see what
i'm talking about.  the page address is listed below.  i'd be curious to hear
any of your reactions to it ...  later !     <adam>

http://www.vectro.com/shaft/moby-icp.html

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Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 08:37:42 -0400
From: michael boudreau <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) love theme

is it me, or does 'love theme' bear quite a resemblance to 'when it's
cold i'd like to die'?
listen to that chord progression!
just thought i'd share that...
mike

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Date: Sun, 07 Jun 1998 09:45:36 -0700
From: Rekkit <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) Sampling

At 11:12 PM 6/7/98 -0500, you wrote:
>     Off-subject, does anyone think Pink Floyd can be successfully remixed?
>I got into a discussion with my partner-in-crime, and he says no, but i
>disagree. Anyone care to comment?

I don't think they could be remixed at all.
Dark Side of the Moon has parts that sound like Underworld did them
yesterday-it's unnecessary.

Cleopatra put out a Pink Floyd tribute a couple of years back which a lot
of you have probably seen: "A Saucerful Of Pink".  It's probably the
closest anybody will come to paying respectful "hallucinogenic" homage to
the great pioneers...

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Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 09:47:14 -0400
From: Steve Giles <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (mobility) Re: blue light of the underwater sun

I thought at first that it was Josh Wink, uncredited. He sounds exactly the
same on three spoken word sequences on "Left Above The Clouds" I listened
more & more, and there are tiny little patterns in the voices, and I can
slightly distiguish them apart. It IS Moby. I'm positive.

This song took me by surprise, too. The same things happened when the
narration took that twist to me as did to all of you. And then the agitated
dolphins as part of the music, it was a rough expirience the first time.
Very powerful.
    _Steve Giles

>> > That voice at the beginning is this guy who has a whole series
>> > of tapes for hypnotism, astral projection, and lucid dreaming.
>> ?  it sounds like moby to me.  isn't it moby?
>
>it's possible. But it sounds sooo much like this other guy
>who has many tapes with similar material- if you want to compare
>the two I will make my song with samples of him in real audio.
>paul

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Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 09:50:40 -0500
From: Ade <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) you be the judge ...

>all the ICP did was take the pic from the back
>cover of the domestic Go! single, change the color, and slap on their own
band
>symbol.  anyway, i posted the two pics on a web page so you could all see
what
>i'm talking about.  the page address is listed below.  i'd be curious to hear
>any of your reactions to it ...  later !

The pictures look /slightly/ different.  I think it's wholly possible that
two people get the same idea.  The picture effect is probably something
standard on some sort of software and both people may have thought it
looked like a cool effect.  This is just giving them the benefit of the
doubt.  But you may be right.  They may have stolen the pic like dirty dogs.



.oooO  Oooo.   --Ade.
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Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 11:51:12 -0700 (PDT)
From: Paul Simpson <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) Re: mobility-digest V1 #175

> But things like Vanilla Ice and MC Hammer, where the loop is actually
> the main melody of the song...they should be considered cover songs
> rather than originals, even with the new lyrics they really owe it
> all the the original song.
> paul
>

you know, when wyclef jean does a song like that at least he calls it
a cover. cuz he's not a greedy asswipe like puffy who wants all the
money, and tries to get as absolute much credit as possible. clef's in
it for the music, not the money, just like us free music supporters
are!!! okay maybe not to that extent. well big up to clef cuz he rocks.

btw, i heard the new tricky again and it is pretty phat. i usually
dont like tricky the first time i hear a new song by him and after a
while i start to love it. well i like the new tricky now. as if anyone
cared. sorry for non-moby post. bye.
==
"Roly poly fish heads are never seen drinking Capuccinos in
Italian restaurants with Oriental women."
>>>>>>>>>>PAUL<<<<<<<<<<




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Date: Sun, 7 Jun 1998 05:31:41 -0700 (PDT)
From: Paul Simpson <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) German dj remakes "go"

hey mobyites

um, see my local modern rawk station has this techno show on sat.
nites/sun. mornings from 10 pm to 2 am, its called "Radio Brothers
Electro Circus" (god that is a stupid name!)
anyway i was listening to it last night, and dave the wave (the dj)
played this really interesting tune. It was a remake/remix/whatever of
"Go" by some German techno/trance band. I'm not exactly sure who it
was. He introduced it like, "This is some really interesting German
record. It's a remake of Moby's first single, 'go'." I forgot who it
was by unfortunately. I think the band name had the word "Limit" in
it, and it was also credited as featuring some dj. so it's like, Limit
(?) featuring DJ (?), "Go". whatever
anyway, the song was kind of a trancey version of go. it sampled the
"Yeahhh..." part and of course the "GO!" sample and that piano part,
you know the "DONGGGGgggg...." and of course the twin peaks laura
palmers theme. it was just basically a new mix of go. actually, he
didn't say if it was new or a few years old or what. whatever. so if
you see this in stores somewhere or hear it at a club, youll know what
im talking about. or something.
and actually the radio station cut the stupid song off after like a
minute for a commercial break. damn commercial radio.
I remember once he played "stella" by Jam and spoon and i thought it
kind of sounded like "go".

anyway, i heard some other interesting stuff on that show. there was
one song that sampled that scream, that "AAAAAAAAaaaaaaa--OOOOooo"
from "Rock the House". Actually, it was more like, "AAAAAAAAAA" and
around here they just kind of distorted it and like extended it. that
was a kind of house-y track. and either the same song or the song he
mixed it with. sampled that "Party Time!" sample that was used in, um,
well guess!
so i guess lots of djs study moby's early records like EU and stuff.
cool.

btw, i know i've heard that scream sample from rock the house in
another song. in the beginning of "Get Up Go Insane!" by Stretch and
Vern w/ Maddog.

well after hearing all that i was like, so when am i gonna hear "Next
is the-next is the-next is the E!" mixed in somewhere? and just as i
thought that, i heard that sound in Victory mix of NITe, that sound
thats like a record spinning really fast? you know what i mean?
whatever.

that dj also spins a lot of bootleg dance mixes of like rock songs and
stuff. like he played this dance remix of "Lets Go Crazy" by prince.
it was weird like the organ part in the beginning came on and i was
like, hey this is from lets go crazy, and then priinces voice came
on...well basically it started with that whole "dearly beloved" part
and then after that the track stops and than goes into this house
track and than loops samples of prince saying "life....the
afterworld..."

and thats not the weirdest thing he played. he's been playing a
bootleg remix of "Wicked Game" by Chris Isaac. Eeek. and he also plays
remixes of Janes Addiction, and Collective Soul, and believe it or not
Led Zeppelin. and he played this really cool jungle mix of sarah
mclachlan. not the roni size remix of her, but this really phat mix of
adia. and he also played this jungle mix of r+b singer Monica that was
cool.

well anyway this show is on 10 pm to 2 am eastern time saturday nite
to sunday morn. the radio stations websit e is
<http://www.radio104.com> and dave the wave has a page there so you
can read some stuff about it. but theres not much on it. and you can
listen to the radio station over the net so you can hear this show
too. and if you ever see that remix record of go check it out.

also, guess what song i heard yesterday, "ooh i just KNOW something
good is gonna happen!" no, i didnt hear "cloudbursting" by kate bush,
i heard Utah Saints! you know, that was only the second time i'v ever
heard that song? the first time was back in 92, when MTV played it
believe it or not.
i also heard some new massiv attack (fucking Blazin'...thats good btw)
and i heard some of the new tricky (that shit is WEIRD. weird as in
not too good. but ive only heard one song so maybe theres some good
stuff on that.)

well bye.
==
"Roly poly fish heads are never seen drinking Capuccinos in
Italian restaurants with Oriental women."
>>>>>>>>>>PAUL<<<<<<<<<<




_________________________________________________________
DO YOU YAHOO!?
Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com

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Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 17:02:05 -0700
From: "Dr. Killpatient" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) love theme

michael boudreau wrote:
>
> is it me, or does 'love theme' bear quite a resemblance to 'when it's
> cold i'd like to die'?
> listen to that chord progression!
> just thought i'd share that...
> mike

yes, i agree. Also I find that 'Alone' seems to have been the basis
for a couple of the songs on 'End Of Everything'-
anyone else see that?
paul

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Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 17:08:38 -0700
From: "Dr. Killpatient" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) Re: blue light of the underwater sun

Steve Giles wrote:
>
> I thought at first that it was Josh Wink, uncredited. He sounds exactly the
> same on three spoken word sequences on "Left Above The Clouds" I listened
> more & more, and there are tiny little patterns in the voices, and I can
> slightly distiguish them apart. It IS Moby. I'm positive.

You really need to hear this other guy with the astral projection
tapes first...I will find his name and get back to you.
If anyone is going to speak with Moby anytime soon, please remember
to ask him about this!
paul

>
> This song took me by surprise, too. The same things happened when the
> narration took that twist to me as did to all of you. And then the agitated
> dolphins as part of the music, it was a rough expirience the first time.
> Very powerful.
>         _Steve Giles
>
> >> > That voice at the beginning is this guy who has a whole series
> >> > of tapes for hypnotism, astral projection, and lucid dreaming.
> >> ?  it sounds like moby to me.  isn't it moby?
> >
> >it's possible. But it sounds sooo much like this other guy
> >who has many tapes with similar material- if you want to compare
> >the two I will make my song with samples of him in real audio.
> >paul

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Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 17:23:08 -0700 (MST)
From: kimberly <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) Re: mobility-digest V1 #175

> From: "Dr. Killpatient" <[e-mail]>
> Subject: (mobility) Sampling

> > I Like to Score gives credit to both Lynch and
> > Angelo.  Move did NOT inspire the score to Twin Peaks, rather TWIN
> > PEAKS(Laura Palmers Theme) was SAMPLED by Moby to use in Move.  Move was
> > inspired BY Twin Peaks not the other way around.  Moby is a great artist,
> > but please give credit where credit is due.

Isn't that what was just said?  :-)


> I don't know who it was that said Laura Palmer's theme was inspired
> by Go!- but I never remember hearing that. And it is Go! we are talking
> about here- not 'Move'. As far as what I think of Moby sampling it,
> I think it's fine with me. It works quite well, and he gives credit
> where it is due because Moby is a humble man.

I agree.  I don't remember any one saying that 'L.P's theme' was MOBY
inspired.  I think maybe some misreading happened. As I said, I heard
something to the effect of what Dr. Killpatient said. :-P

Anyhoo......"Go" is a great song.

have fun,

kimberly

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Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 17:38:59 -0700
From: "Dr. Killpatient" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) Let's Go Crazy

> that dj also spins a lot of bootleg dance mixes of like rock songs and
> stuff. like he played this dance remix of "Lets Go Crazy" by prince.
> it was weird like the organ part in the beginning came on and i was
> like, hey this is from lets go crazy, and then priinces voice came
> on...well basically it started with that whole "dearly beloved" part
> and then after that the track stops and than goes into this house
> track and than loops samples of prince saying "life....the
> afterworld..."
>

I have that 12 inch if you can beleive it! It's the only Prince
release I'm still interested in listening to...

paul

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Date: Mon, 08 Jun 1998 17:46:19 -0600
From: Damian <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) you be the judge ...

[e-mail] wrote:
>
> this past weekend, i went to visit my best friend at college.  his roommate is
> a big Insane Clown Posse fan, and has damn near everything they've ever put
> out.  among the things in his collection was an album entitled "the terror
> wheel," which bears a striking resemblance to something that our own Mr. Hall
> released some time ago ... all the ICP did was take the pic from the back
> cover of the domestic Go! single, change the color, and slap on their own band
> symbol.  anyway, i posted the two pics on a web page so you could all see what
> i'm talking about.  the page address is listed below.  i'd be curious to hear
> any of your reactions to it ...  later !     <adam>
>
> http://www.vectro.com/shaft/moby-icp.html

It looks like they're the same thing to me.  If there are changes, it
looks like the picture was taken/copied, then adjusted from that point.
I think the lighter ICP picture brings out more detail.  Interesting.

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Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 20:41:03 -0500 (CDT)
From: theShackofXaq <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) mimi "soak"

i just got done listening to the new album from mimi goese called "soak."
it's a bit strange, but definatly good. imagine sarah mclacklin (sorry,
i have no idea how to spell her name...) with more elecrtonics and with
more out of tune and constantly changing molodies. i like the slower and
darker stuff much more than the "heaver" tracks.
definatly check it out. not techno in any way though...i just love her
voice!

[xaq]
"i think a lot, but it never helps me, so i stop.
            but i really enjoy thinking."
              Masafumi Sanai-photographer

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