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mobility-digest         Thursday, May 28 1998         Volume 01 : Number 170



Re: (mobility) ILTS Cover Art
(mobility) snippit
Re: (mobility) Caught Up and Moving On(was: Ketchup)
(mobility) Rock the List rockrockthelist
Re: (mobility) Rock the List rockrockthelist
(mobility) samples
Re: (mobility) samples
(mobility) Re: mobility-digest V1 #168
(mobility) Moby / Bulls game
RE: (mobility) Re: mobility-digest V1 #168
Re: (mobility) samples
Re: (mobility) Re: mobility-digest V1 #168
(mobility) Responses(Multiple Mix)

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Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 02:56:30 +0200
From: Jonathan Ruano <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) ILTS Cover Art

On Wed, May 27, 1998 at 07:34:02PM +0100, Tim Beecher wrote:
> Does that mean you can supply me with a CD player or
> produce some financial incentive, brother?
Oops.. didnt mean so. I was referring to the fact you get music out
of whatever medium is at your reach, as with tapes. The important is
listening to it.

Jonathan.

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Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 21:04:23 -0500 (CDT)
From: theShackofXaq <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) snippit

i keep forgeting to mention this, so i'll do it now before i forget again:

the opening wah-wah breakbeat in "into the blue" (uplifting 4 beat) is
used in a promo for some upcomming awards show. this is in america, btw.

so there. i remembered.

[xaq]
"i think a lot, but it never helps me, so i stop.
            but i really enjoy thinking."
              Masafumi Sanai-photographer

    Pissing in the snow
outside my door-
    it makes a very straight hole.
           -Issa-



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Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 06:53:00 +0200
From: "Pedersen, Trond Erik" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) Caught Up and Moving On(was: Ketchup)

Hi

Index :
1.0 Other Stuff
2.0 Moby Stuff
3.0 Moby Questions

1.0 Other Stuff:

I found a cool way to organize my CD's : Once I have a CD I use my
computer
to make Mpeg3 files of them, then I store the files on my harddisks.
Then I
update my Mpeg3 database and I make playlists that I can use to play
different moods/songs etc.

The original CDs, however, are stacked alphabetically in my book-case
shelves (which is more than full at the moment) separated into an albums
and
a singles/EPs section. The CDs I "never" use I have stacked in a box
under
my bed together with my 12" and 7". New CDs/12" are placed.... (ehh..
more
correctly : should have been) placed in my shelves, but unfortunately
lays
scattered around, in and under my stereo, my computer and my desk.

2.0 Moby Stuff:

I recently was attracted by a sign saying "CDs from 9.00 NOK" (=1,25
US$).
And ofcourse I went into the advertizing shop. As I expected a very puny
selection of folk, terror-metal and death-metal records was the only
ones on
sale. The other records was normally priced.

As I was about to exit the shop my eyes came upon a barrel of CDs in the
vast corner of this shop. I decided to kill yet another 10 minutes of my
life searching this barrel, AND WHAT DID I SEE : On top of the heap of
CDs a
CD virtually sparkles at me : Moby's I Like to Score. I quickly grabbed
it
and continued browsing, ending up with
Moby : I Like to Score @ about 2$
Moby : Into the Blue Remixes @ about 1.25$
Orbital : Lush 3 @ about 2$
Nightcrawlers : Push the feeling on 2x12" Promo @ about 3$

Five of my all-time-faves at together @ about 8.25$... Not bad!
(However, I earn this because I've had to IMPORT all my Moby CD's so
far,
and that's expensive!)

3.0 Moby Questions

I also discovered Moby's That's When I Reached for My Revolver Remixes
(Orange Sleeve) @ about 9$. Is it worth getting? I have Part 1 of the
TWIRFMR (the black one).

Anyone knows when Moby is touring Europe this year? I've come across
only
one gig at Rockefeller, Oslo , Norway the 1.st day of July. Where can I
get
other dates?

OKeydookey, This was long, but I write so seldom, so this have to
compensate
for me not writing so often.

MVH
Trond Pedersen

BTW : I have made a T-shirt logo, can I attach this BMP (100 kb/20kp
zipped)
and mail it to the list, or are binary postings banned?


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From: Michaela Gerstner
To: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (mobility) Caught Up and Moving On(was: Ketchup)
Date: 25. May 1998 18:58

<Snitch>
How do you guys organize your CDs?
<Snitch>

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Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 10:07:58 -0400
From: Steve Giles <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) Rock the List rockrockthelist

>>3.0 Moby Questions
>>
>>I also discovered Moby's That's When I Reached for My Revolver Remixes
>>(Orange Sleeve) @ about 9$. Is it worth getting? I have Part 1 of the
>>TWIRFMR (the black one).

    Yes, get it! I've been looking for that one for quite a while now, I
have heard it and it is a great single. The Rollo & Sister Bliss Vocal Mix
is by far my favorite of Revolver. See the review at moby.org for good info
on it.

>>Anyone knows when Moby is touring Europe this year?

I know he's playing a large festival in the UK called Universe. I saw a big
2-page spread in mixmag. Don't remember when.

Anyone who has yet to answer the poll, please do so! All responses so far
have been public, so you all can see that I've only got about 6 votes or
less in each category. -STG

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Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 10:02:22 -0600
From: Damian <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) Rock the List rockrockthelist

Steve Giles wrote:
>
> >>I also discovered Moby's That's When I Reached for My Revolver Remixes
> >>(Orange Sleeve) @ about 9$. Is it worth getting? I have Part 1 of the
> >>TWIRFMR (the black one).
>
>         Yes, get it! I've been looking for that one for quite a while now, I
> have heard it and it is a great single. The Rollo & Sister Bliss Vocal Mix
> is by far my favorite of Revolver. See the review at moby.org for good info
> on it.

Here, here!  The second CD is wonderful.  Pick it up!

> >>Anyone knows when Moby is touring Europe this year?
>
> I know he's playing a large festival in the UK called Universe. I saw a big
> 2-page spread in mixmag. Don't remember when.

Universe 98 was to go on May 23rd & 24th but was cancelled.
Here's an article on the surprising failure of the event.

PROMOTERS PULL PLUG ON UNIVERSE 98

Mystery surrounds the surprise cancellation of the Universe 98 event,
which was due to
take place at Knebworth Park in Hertfordshire on the bank holiday
weekend of May
23-24. A statement was issued by Universe confirming that the event -
which was to
have featured many of the biggest names in dance music including live
acts Roni Size,
Rakim and Tricky plus more than 100 DJs - had been pulled but would be
rescheduled for
a date later in the year.

Whilst Universe's statement gave no reason for the postponement of
Universe 98, MCP
Productions, which was co-promoting the event, had earlier stated that
the event had
been cancelled due to due to "complex licensing issues". However, when
contacted by
RM, North Herts County Council denied that there had been any licensing
problems or that
environmental health officers had raised any objections. The local
police also confirmed
that they had raised no objections to the event and that the decision to
pull Universe
98 was, as far as they were concerned, one made by the promoters
themselves.

Insiders suggest the reason for Universe 98's postponement was in fact
poor ticket
sales, but a Universe spokesman refused to comment on this when
contacted by RM.
This latest setback will come as a blow to Universe, coming days before
the sell-out
Creamfields event which was co-promoted by Universe's ex-partners the
Mean
Fiddler Organization. Universe and the Mean Fiddler had previously
worked together
on the successful Tribal Gathering events but fell out earlier this
year. Universe has
suffered setbacks in the past, with licensing problems affecting Tribal
Gathering in 1996
and poor ticket sales leading to the cancellation of the Budweiser NYCD
event featuring
Junior Vasquez which it promoted at the London Arena in Docklands last
May. An
announcement regarding ticket refunds and details about the rescheduled
Universe 98
event will be made shortly.

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Looking forward to possibly attending Creamfields 2 in New York,
hopefully this September 5.  It should kick ass!

np - Blue Boy: remember me

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Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 13:22:46 EDT
From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) samples

as far as sampling goes, if it's recognizable as someone else's material, you
either give them credit, or get nailed for plagiarism -- or you just don't use
the sample at all.  take prodigy for example: liam howlett has bragged to
people that there's a Star Wars sample on some prodigy record, but no one can
find it -- he's off the hook.  like hip-hop sampling in the '80s -- before the
days of puff daddy, samples were taken and manipulated, turning them into
elements for a new song, but fairly unrecognizable from the original; just try
to track down all the samples DJ Shadow uses ... back to prodigy: on their
latest, liam sampled the line "oh my god, that's the funky shit" from the
beastie boys track "root down" -- because that sample was such a central part
of the song (the prodigy song being called simply "funky shit"), he had to
give equal writing credit.  (actually, the Fat of the Land liner notes don't
even mention the beastie boys, but if you look in the end credits for the film
"event horizon," credit for the song reads "written by l. howlett, a. yauch,
a. horovitz, m. diamond") ... but just look back at the beasties' album
credits -- "root down" contains samples of "root down (and get it)" by jimmy
smith, and so it goes ... KMFDM never cleared a sample they used in
"liebeslied" from their Naive album -- they got sued and had to pull the album
(i'm one of the lucky ones who own an original copy) -- they later remixed
most of the tracks on the album and rereleased it under a different title.
and for the record, m.c. hammer did clear the rick james sample (i believe),
but vanilla ice did not when he "borrowed" the song "under pressure" from
david bowie and queen.  and i'll just say, a hell of a lot more samples are
used in music than are credited -- tracking down the sources is more fun
anyway ... well, my input on the touchy subject of sampling.  have a good one.
<adam>

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Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 20:18:37 +0100
From: Stuart Adair <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) samples

>as far as sampling goes, if it's recognizable as someone else's material,=
 you
>either give them credit, or get nailed for plagiarism -- or you just don't
use
>the sample at all.  take prodigy for example: liam howlett has bragged to
>people that there's a Star Wars sample on some prodigy record, but no one=
 can
>find it -- he's off the hook.

It's Full Throttle off Jilted Generation, the reversed sample is Luke
saying "we're going at full throttle" from the trench sequence. But the
original version of Full Throttle (One Love b-side) has the sample forwards
anyway, so I wouldn't say it's impossible to find :)

Stu

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Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 13:02:05 -0700 (MST)
From: kimberly <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) Re: mobility-digest V1 #168

> From: "Dr. Killpatient" <[e-mail]>
> Subject: Re: (mobility) Mobility
>
> tilly wrote:
>
> > > I was wondering how the last Real Life album did there last year,
> > Well, Im into both the techno and the rock/indie scenes and try to keep
> > up, and sorry mate, never heard of 'em.
> >
> You just don't know it probably- I think everyone has heard their big
> one from 83- Send Me An Angel (it was a #1 hit in several countires)
> and maybe the one from 90 (God Tonight)

Wait, who did that song "Send me  an angel"?  My bf plays that for me all
the time.  At first it got on my nerves, but then I got used to it?  Who
is it?



> From: "Dennis Daniels" <[e-mail]>
> Subject: Re: (mobility) coffee, titanic
>
> Anyway, i've got the
> AMP CD, and it's dissapointing. Moby should've been on it. The Atari
> Teenage Riot song is okay, I didn't like Tranquility Bass' song. The Goldie
> song was great, but "Inner City Life" is the only Goldie song anybody puts
> on albums (except UB.2) Also, why is "Block Rockin' Beats" the only C.B.
> song getting credit? I like "Elektrobank" myself.

Hrm, I think I disagree.  I think the AMP cd is okay, but getting far too
trendy.  A lot of ppl I know don't even know who MOBY is, and ofcourse
that is their loss, but I don't want to go to a MOBY show with 4000 really
young kids wearing (fill in annoying teenbopper band here) t-shirts and
buying all the MOBY cd's I can't find, only to go back to listening to
(fill in annoying teeniebopper band here) a week later because it's
trendier.  I think it's good that MOBY wasn't on that cd because I'd have
to run into those five year olds who spend ungodly ammounts of money on
cds that they heard some older cool kid talking about and then ruin my
experience by being totally disrespetful of everyone else's space.  Does
anyone feel my pain??????????  Any empathy here?  :-P

love,

kimberly

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Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 13:04:14 -0700
From: "Rasidel Jedro  Slika" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) Moby / Bulls game

Wow this was very cool.  Last night during the Bulls/Pacers game pregame, "Shining" was played!  And then, if that wasn't enough, they played "New Dawn Fades" later on, during the 3rd quarter I think.  Just clips, but still awesome to hear!  Someone at NBC is a hardcore Moby fan, I should think.  RRR aka delobbo
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Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 16:32:27 -0400
From: Steve Giles <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (mobility) Re: mobility-digest V1 #168

>> Does anyone feel my pain??????????  Any empathy here?  :-P
>>
>>love,
>>
>>kimberly

Go look at the mobility archives at www.moby.org for late march early april.
I already vented on this, so I won't burden everyone again.

- -Steve

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Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 17:17:22 -0700
From: "Dr. Killpatient" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) samples

> and for the record, m.c. hammer did clear the rick james sample (i believe),

No, he got sued for half the profits from that song after it was
a big hit. James blew all the money on crack no doubt!

Here's a link you all will love, it lists hundreds of different
groups and the soure of the samples they have used:

http://phobos.astro.uwo.ca/~etittley/top_samples/grouplist.html

check it out!
paul

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Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 17:24:56 -0700
From: "Dr. Killpatient" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) Re: mobility-digest V1 #168

kimberly wrote:
>
> > From: "Dr. Killpatient" <[e-mail]>
> > Subject: Re: (mobility) Mobility
> >
> > tilly wrote:
> >
> > > > I was wondering how the last Real Life album did there last year,
> > > Well, Im into both the techno and the rock/indie scenes and try to keep
> > > up, and sorry mate, never heard of 'em.
> > >
> > You just don't know it probably- I think everyone has heard their big
> > one from 83- Send Me An Angel (it was a #1 hit in several countires)
> > and maybe the one from 90 (God Tonight)
>
> Wait, who did that song "Send me  an angel"?  My bf plays that for me all
> the time.  At first it got on my nerves, but then I got used to it?  Who
> is it?

See above: the section you quoted contains the answer!!!

paul

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Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 20:23:13 -0400
From: [e-mail] (Ryan Taylor)
Subject: (mobility) Responses(Multiple Mix)

>How do you guys organize your CDs?

Well..early on I did it by type of music(all of the electronic music in one
spot..all of the urban(rap/hip-hop/etc) in other..etc etc)..all in
alphabetic order..But as time grew on..and the # of cd's grew..that was
getting harder(especially with artists that make different types of
music..like Moby)..So now it's just alphabetical..Moby's in the M's...Lopez
in the L's...VC in the V's...etc...All the soundtracks together at the
end..then all the comps(arranged by type of music as best as possible).

>here's a question for all: how do you feel when musicians sell their music
to be used in commercials.

Well..as Andrea pointed out..Moby's music has been used..But it's curious
that he let it happen..considering the circumstances of the Go single that
was released in '94(on Mute as CDNOCAR1)..As the liner notes say:

A car advert broadcast earlier this year recreated the music to the Moby
song "Go".  Many people thought it was Moby's music.  This is not the case.
We would like to make it clear that Moby's music was not used.  Moby has not
been and is not involved with this commercial and has not recieved money
from it.  Had Moby been asked to use "Go" he would have refused on the
grounds that he would not let his songs be used to sell cars.  "Go" is
available again to set the record straight.  This single is available at a
lower price that usual.  All Moby's royalties from the single will go to the
charity Transport 2000.

Maybe he said ok to the later advertisement because a charity would benefit
from the money?!?  All in all it doesn't bother me that he's let his music
to be used as part of advertisements since he didn't profit from it(If he
had..I'd probably have a problem with it since he's written about how we
treat the environment).

>i'd like to introduce myself. my name's michael

Welcome to the list(overall note:  seems like we've gotten quite the influx
of new members recently).

Ok..time to end this thing...thanks to someone on the orb list(Keith Reinert
<[e-mail]>)..He helped find a reference to Moby not even knowing he
was:

So the moral of the story is that you don't need to use all the filters all
the time, unless your boss is dj Albatross or Moby or some Orb or
other. So as I was saying, go play.

You can find this for yourself at:
http://www.hotwired.com/webmonkey/98/20/index1a_page5.html?tw=graphics_fonts
(FYI:  It's a story about Photoshop..the above reference was found in the
section about Filters)

Ryan
np: Said Go single(cdnocar1)..I love Go..but just wasn't in the mood for all
14 mixes on Rare :)

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