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mobility-digest         Tuesday, May 26 1998         Volume 01 : Number 167



Re: RE: (mobility) Is Moby a Christian?
Re: (mobility) Is Moby a Christian?
Re: (mobility) christianity
Re: (mobility) ILTS Cover Art
(mobility) Re: mobility-digest V1 #165
(mobility) greetings
Re: (mobility) Re: mobility-digest V1 #165
(mobility) coffee, titanic
Re: (mobility) coffee
RE: (mobility)Fezztivalz (was:  Mobility)

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Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 17:11:18 +0100 (British Summer Time)
From: Tim Beecher <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: RE: (mobility) Is Moby a Christian?

 I can't help but respect Moby. He's prepared to be honest
> and say what he feels is right, even though it might go
> against today's social flow.
That's great, but I think is more important to have your own mind, and not
just going with/against other by rule.

I do think it's important to have your own mind, but your
own mind is also influenced by lots of things that we might
call 'good' and 'bad'. What is good and what is bad? How
does that affect us and those around us? Who gave us minds?
Who knows what's best for our minds? We've got free-will to
choose.






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Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 17:14:47 +0100 (British Summer Time)
From: Tim Beecher <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) Is Moby a Christian?

On Sat, 16 May 1998 21:30:46 -0500 (CDT) Christopher
Michael Bourke <[e-mail]> wrote:

> >From whatever I have read of Moby's religious views it would seem that he
> rejects most dogma of any kind and even scripture(thebible) thus he would
> not be inconsistent in his sexual behaviour.  Instead his take would best
> be summed up in the theologian Thomas Aquinas(look him up, boys and
> girls).  Perhaps he would be more accurate to claim that he is a deist
> rather than a "christian" or does he truly believe in christ as the
> savior?
>
> Well, from what I read in his sleeve notes, Moby appears
to believe in Christ and his teachings which are all derived
from biblical scripture.
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Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 17:22:02 +0100 (British Summer Time)
From: Tim Beecher <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) christianity

also about the bible and living out the lists in the bible that is not
what faith is about.  Christ did not preach a religion of do's and
don'ts.  love, tolerance, compassion, and mercy seemed to be at the
forefront of this carpenter that allegedly lived in the first century.

Christ preached lots of "do's" like love, tolerance,
compassion as well as a few "do not's". But from what I've
understood about Christ he would say a resounding "don't"
to all those right-wing political/religious bigots today.





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Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 17:46:17 +0100 (British Summer Time)
From: Tim Beecher <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) ILTS Cover Art

On Mon, 25 May 1998 12:53:43 -0500 (EST) Adekunle Olonoh
<[e-mail]> wrote:

> I didn't think the ILTS art was anything special, but it
was simple and I liked it.
 I think it's minimal but effective - I quite like
it too actually - very retro.....

I think it went along well with
the 70's pimp sound on the ILTS track.

And I love some of the funky 70s stuff on it. Though
it has some old stuff, there's some good new tunes I hadn't
heard before.

Maybe noone else hears it that way but
me.... I also like the picture of the concert--it kinda
touches on the fantasy I have of attending one someday.
Anyway, on those albums I look more at the essays than the
art.

Me too...

Fantastic stuff. >

> Plovious- > I don't organize my CD's really.  I have a
case where I keep the ones I listen to most and then
another that has the ones I listen to a little less.  But
then I only have around 50 CDs so it's not really needing
much organization. >

Call me cave-man or whatever and I'm not looking for
sympathy (well I am actually), but I don't have a CD
PLAYER or any CDs (actually I have 2 given to me by
friends, who assume I have something to play them on!)!
Anyway they're so bloody expensive in the UK - they're a
rip-off! I can't afford to buy one (I'm a perpetual
student you see) so I've still got my old, nasty turntable
with those large, mainly black, vinyl discs, popularly
known as 'records' (where I come from) and cassettes of
which I have hundreds. I'm waiting for those credit card
lookalikes to take off and all that new, groovy technology.
Hah, then all you CD people will have to invest in the new
stuff and the industrial racket goes on..... By then I
might have a job with a salary and be able to afford it!?

Humbly yours,

TiM B.




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Date: 26 May 1998 12:32:33 -0500
From: "April Kilduff" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) Re: mobility-digest V1 #165

Subject:RE>mobility-digest V1 #165                     Date:5/26/98
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12:24 PM



>The cover art on ILTS is sooooo boring! Especially since Moby said that
>this was his most blatantly comercial album ever. Only a Moby fan would
>ever notice ILTS in a record shop. Pretty bad marketing if you ask me.


i actually thought the cover of ILTS stood out quite a bit among other cds
that are either too graphics-heavy or focus too much on the musicians. that
cover is about minimalism and purity - which is what moby's music means to me.
 :>

here's a question for all: how do you feel when musicians sell their music to
be used in commercials. would you be happy or sad if a moby tune popped up in
say, oh, a mazda or gap ad?

adios.





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Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 12:21:06 -0400
From: michael boudreau <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) greetings

i'd like to introduce myself. my name's michael, and i'm 21 years old.
moby cd's i own:
moby, early underground, ambient, next is the e cd single, rare, move,
hymn(this is my dream), feeling so real, everything is wrong, everytime
you touch me, into the blue, into the blue remixes, lopez-why can't it
stop?, disk(the enhanced portion of which does not work on my computer),
everything is wrong dj remix album, bring back my happiness (a domestic
(usa) version and an import version), voodoo child-the end of everything
(import version), animal rights (both domestic version and import with
"little idiot"), revolver, revolver remix, i like to score, james bond
theme,come on baby.
i also bought a copy of recoil's "bloodline" for $1.99 so i could hear
moby's rap on the song 'curse'.

i guess my first exposure to moby was his barracuda remix of the recoil
track "faith healer" (i think the rest of  the single sucked, but i
bought it at the time (1992?) because it was alan wilder of depeche
mode). an ex-girlfriend turned me on to his actual music several years
later. i have seen him only twice, both incredible shows, i got his
autograph the second time around. in front of me in line were 2 members
of the wallflowers. they cut me in line. damn wallflowers cut me!

as you could probably figure, i also like depeche mode, as well as the
cure, the smiths, joy division, mission of burma(moby's cover of
revolver turned me on to them), slint, david bowie, my bloody valentine,
black flag, bad brains, fugazi, radiohead, sonic youth, and on and on.

i think that's it for me.


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Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 11:52:45 PDT
From: "Welcometo Myworld" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) Re: mobility-digest V1 #165

> would you be happy or sad if a moby tune popped up in
>say, oh, a mazda or gap ad?

Apparently a Moby tune has appeared in a car commercial...
The following is a promo piece from Mute from a couple of years back...

MOBY TURNS THE TABLES ON THE AUTO INDUSTRY
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Moby, sworn opponent of the auto industry and the petro-chemical
complex, is allowing his track îGod Moving Over The Face Of The Waters╣
to be used in a car commercial.

Strange, you say? Well, here╣s the twist: ALL of the money that Moby
receives from the commercial is going to be given to environmental,
alternative energy and animal rights organisations. Moby feels that he
should take the opportunity to do something positive rather than
refusing and letting the money go to someone else.

As Moby says, │There╣s something perversely satisfying about taking
money from a car company and giving it to organisations which work to
protect the environment. I figured that they were going to make the
commercial with or without my music, so why not let them use the track
and in the process help out some worthwhile charities?▓
....
I'm assuming that this commercial eventually came to fruition... But I
never saw it... Did anyone out there?...

As to how I would feel about it, should it happen again - probably
ambivalent at best...I'd probably be most emotional about the fact that
they took a beautiful piece like GMOTFOTW and squeezed it into a 30
second commercial spot to be packaged for the world to bare witness
to... not that I think the exposure would be bad, just that they would
have to cut the track and people would not get to listen to it in its
entirety...

As to the other polls about...

My favorite Move track would have to be the Rain Falls and the Sky
Shudders, with Unloved Symphony a very close second...

I don't have a favorite Into the Blue track - but could probably come up
with one upon a much closer examination...

As for the first time I heard Go - well I didn't know of Moby the
man/artist until last July - when I could start placing a name with
tunes and vice versa... but I'm sure I had heard Go a few years before
that - they're just wasn't any recognition...

And as for CD organization - no order to the jewel cases
what-so-ever...I keep the discs in portable books - which are separated
by genre... compilations first, then individual artists - no specific
order...

Andrea
red5five

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Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 14:20:41 -0700 (PDT)
From: Paul Simpson <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) coffee, titanic

hey guys
just wondering, moby has said "Coffee is poison", right?

just wondering, why? whats he have against coffee?

"Roly-poly fish heads are never seen drinking cappucinnos in italian
restaurants with oriental women"...and neither is moby!!!

oh yeah, i just saw titanic yesterday. i wanna be cool and say, "yeah,
moby was dead right, it was the dumbest most boring fucking piece of
trash ever!!!!!!!!!!" but it wasnt. i mean it was definitely not worth
all the hype and 9,784 oscars it won, and i definitely wouldnt see it
100 times, but it was not bad. it was just ok. and i dont think it was
too long either. to me the time  just flew by. of course maybe i fell
asleep in the midle or something...

whatever. of course i was also the one who loved "Saturnzreturn", so...

and about that urbal beats, when the first one came out i thought it
was a ripoff of the AMP cd that came out around the same time, but
this one sounds interesting, more interesting than the new amp cd
thats coming out (which sounds a little weird anyway)

so does urb have a website? or something? this sounds cool, what
labels it on?

bye spuds
==
"Roly poly fish heads are never seen drinking Capuccinos in
Italian restaurants with Oriental women."
>>>>>>>>>>PAUL<<<<<<<<<<




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Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 17:11:06 -0500
From: Ade <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) coffee

>just wondering, moby has said "Coffee is poison", right?
>just wondering, why? whats he have against coffee?

Is he against coffee or caffeine?  I'm not really too hot about
caffeine--it's a drug, and everyone knows it's a drug.  It's addictive and
has some harmful side-affects.  It's widely misused and abused but somehow
still socially acceptable.  It's like how cocaine used to be in everything
until earlier this century.  I love the taste of coffee though, so only try
to drink decaf.

My $0.02.  Maybe Moby's views are similar to mine in this but don't assume so.

C8H10N402.H20

np: Prodigal Sons, "Fast & a...(live)"


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Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 13:48:00 +0200
From: "Pedersen, Trond Erik" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (mobility)Fezztivalz (was:  Mobility)

Hi (again).

It doesn't seem like I'm quitting bothering you all today, does it?

Be warned.. this is also long!(but interesting getting other POWs on)

Well, I've discovered something here in Europe : The festivals aren't =
what
they once were! I (vaguely) remember the late 80'es and early 90'es =
(I'm 22,
so I was quite young then). The festivals was jam-packed with groups =
and
artists from virtually all genres of music. Pop, Rock, Disco/Dance, =
Techno,
Ambient, yes they all had their groups and festivals.
What I see the contours of today are mighty producers with a lot of =
dough
and pretty girls/boys meauing and whining their lovesongs from here to
Kingdom comes. All the dacades from 60, 70 and 80'es have their own =
great
groups like Deep Purple, Beatles, Elvis, Pink Floyd, A-ha, ABBA, Led
Zeppelin, the list just goes on and on (Mind these groups merely as
examples, I CAN list more, but I don't see the point). But when we =
round the
Millennium, what do we remember from the 90'es??

Aqua?? Spice Girls??, Backstreet Boys?? East-17?? I really don't think =
so..
(and hope so)... Touching in on Moby : _I_ will remember this guy, but =
quite
frankly : I dont think many will. I see him as a solid rock in music
industry (he has kept it going at least since the mid-eighties, but he =
has
never REALLY broken through the masses of groups and become the fave of =
yet
another mighty producer (Thank Heaven).

I just can  remember "one" group from the early 90's  : a group called
Cappella (italian/british euro-dance/house style crew). Other Europeans =
also
nod when they here this name "Oh yeah, those..." . They were quite big =
here
in Europe and "revolutioned"/ brought to the masses the phenomenon of
electronica. Of course there were also rock/pop groups, but I can't =
remember
any other BIG groups originating from this point of time. The US have =
had
another development, but I guess it's quite similar : You only remember =
a
couple of REALLY big 'uns :) from the start of this decade.

Back to festivals : The lack of groups/artists really show on =
festivals. All
the time less and less selection on festivals. In Scandinavie virtually
every festival have been reduced and/or postponed/cancelled. This is =
also
true in many  other Euro-contries.

We also see a desperate "revival"/"The Best of" session in progress : I =
just
say : Rolling Stones, ELO, Run DMC, Kiss, even BEATLES (where one is
DEAD!!!!!!) is revived. These money-machines are then sent on
tours/festivals all over to shuffle in money and sell "Very best of =
XXX"
Records.

By all means, I am not pro-commercialization, but I would have liked to
remember at least one BIG group originating from the (early) 90'es. All =
I
sit back with now (1,5 years left to Millenium-change) is "recyceled" =
dinos
of rock and my special faves (Moby oc , Cappella and some others).

I see festivals tending towards smaller, more specialized groups, ie =
the
ambient, Jungle and deephouse are going like hot knife in butter, but I
really cant mention any smash bang hits from those genres. General =
Levy??
- -Yeah rite!! Goldie?? -Duh!, Bj=F6rk?? -Ah well... Biosphere?? =
Perhaps??
You see what I mean?

I love that my fave-genres are going well, but finally they also will
halt...what then? These over-commercialized festivals we see today are
really decreasing and the spectre of artist equally. Does this mean =
that we
all have to "dig" the same sh*t (Pardon if I offended) as our parents =
and
GRANDPARENTS????????????
Noooo Way, Sir! Not this bloke anywayz.

As I see the 90'es as my youth-years I really don't have anything to =
talk
about when I get retired. (OK I'm so lucky I can pick a big group from =
the
eighties, but so can my parents). So I end up with nothing for my self =
(or
we ourselves perhaps is better)


OK.. Enough said. I'm on a T3 so I don't hafta pay my 5 cents, thats =
why my
letters are so long today. :)

Anyone have any comments on this, I'd appreciate it.

MVH
Trond Pedersen

No BTW this time!!!


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From: tillyx
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Subject: (mobility) Mobility
Date: 26. May 1998 23:56

Plovious, thanks for the welcome...
as for whats it like in Aust... well, I have to say I am dissapointed
with the music culture in Sydney.
<Zzzzzzzzzzzzznitch>
However, they hosted the hopefully returning
annual summer festival called Apollo this year which rocked. It rained
and turned into a semi glastonbury type affair, and we got to hear Jeff
Mills and Daft Punk and Marmion among others. I want more stuff like
that!!
theres my five cents worth anyway...
tilly



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