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mobility-digest         Friday, March 27 1998         Volume 01 : Number 123



Re: (mobility) Cd tally
Re: (mobility) virgin moby  [that's a parody if i ever read one]
Re: (mobility) CD tally
(mobility) my mom likes "to score"
Re: (mobility) media killed the techno star
Re: (mobility) Moby's live performances
Re: (mobility) 25 moby letters
(mobility) offbeat
Re: (mobility) Cd tally
Re: (mobility) offbeat
Re: (mobility) offbeat
Re: (mobility) media killed the techno star
Re: (mobility) my mom likes "to score"
Re: (mobility) media killed the techno star

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Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 17:42:26 -0600
From: "Brad Caviness" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) Cd tally

- -----Original Message-----

>Ade Olonoh wrote:
>
>> Speaking of hardcore fans, it would be interesting to see what the
average
>> number of Moby CDs people on this list have.  It would also be
interesting
>> to see who has the most.
>
I'm going to sound like a quote from "Clerks," one of my favorite movies,
when I say:

"37!"

That's how may Moby cd's I have. It's not the highest number, but it is a
pretty respectable figure, I think.  If you take out compilations and
soundtracks, though, the number falls to 35. But since I wanted to use the
Clerks quote, I counted them.

BSC

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Date: Fri, 27 Mar 98 17:38:08 PST
From: "john-->" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) virgin moby  [that's a parody if i ever read one]

> > i have read moby say that he coudlnt' ask for a better
> > label than elektra because they gave him musical freedom
> > to jump from genre to genre.  i only hope that
> > virgin is as open-minded.
>
> That's true, but sadly I think Elektra lacks in promoting releases on =
a
> consistent basis.  I love singles and it depresses me to see Moby hasn'=
t
> had more in the US.
>

just thought i'd comment- both of you have valid points about artistic =
freedom and promoting and stuff- personally i'm fine with him switching =
labels as long as he can still make the music he wants to make and is not=
 forced to do anything that he doesn't, or wouldn't normally do on anothe=
r label.  as far as promotion goes i think that the music speakes for its=
elf and with minimal promotion moby can and has gone a long way- what eve=
r he wants to do is cool as long as he does it for himself- that's all- =
    later

                john--:)

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Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 18:49:20 -0600 (CST)
From: "dan perry" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) CD tally

not this again...
i have over 50 moby CDs not including CDs by other people with moby mixes
on them, and i know there are others who have more.

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Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 15:07:11 -0800 (PST)
From: Paul Simpson <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) my mom likes "to score"

just wanted to let y'all know, i was talking about how i thought james
bond theme should've been a hit, to my mom today, and i let her listen
to ILTS. she thought the james bond theme was really good and she
agreed that it shouldve been a hit. She did think some songs on the
album, like grace, were a little pointless though.

check out my new extra depressed sig (they were the only 2 quotes i
could think of while answering mail today...)

np:nothing, there's no cd player in the office of our house (the
cd-rom drive doesn't count)




==
"is he depressed, or is he a mess? does he feel totally worthless?
who came up with person man? degraded man, person man."-they might be giants
"i hate the living"-girl from the morgue in Men in Black
>>>>>>>>>>PAUL<<<<<<<<<<


_________________________________________________________
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Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 17:53:30 -0800
From: Bonnie Williams <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) media killed the techno star

I
> would love to get my hands a new moby t-shirt but where the hell can i buy
> it?
i can make moby shirts....i took an art class that for just a little
side project thing we made screenprints, so i made one of moby's new
logo- y'know the circle thing? and for the back (or the front?) i wrote
out "evil ninja moby"- it comes out nice, and i love when people look at
the little circle thing and it twists all up and they look
like-????..... the little enigma moby....hmmm, anyway...if you or anyone
else for that matter wants one i'll be happy to help you out....-kc

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Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 18:15:06 -0800
From: Bonnie Williams <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) Moby's live performances

>
> i'm not saying he was like that the whole tour, but if you saw the
> show in Oakland the supposed Oakland International Event Center)
 i went- and he did complain about the lighting- but overall his energy
was great....ok,i'll go into my little moby story......
all night i look @ the little papers posted saying times 4 when people
are going to play....
so i see moby, 12:30, or something, i don't remember...
i rush over to the stage thingy and push my way
- -more like just, exuse-me my way-
over to the front of the stage...no scary security bars or people so
i was right @ the stage, and i wasen't crushed, like
the prodigy concert i was @ a while back...
i could aptly move, and move i did...
i got exellant pics...better than i've seen in mags for that show,
one of him mid-air, jumping off his keyboard, singing, etc...
anyway,so someone gives him a bottled water with a note taped on it,he
says thanks etc,etc...
so near the end(?) of the show (i'm parched, almost dying)
he takes a drink, and goes to set it down, and
(i must have looked thirsty!)
he gives me the water (with a smile)...i was so ecstatic, not even cuz
moby gave it to me-
just that i was getting hydrated....
so, at the very end of the show-agian i was gasping,
he gave it to me again, and walked off stage....
he must have forgotton the note...so the drummer guy (i think?)
comes over to pick up stuff i guess
and i give him the water and tell him to give it to moby...and he gives
me the set list...so although Big Top wasen't wonderful
i walked away with beautiful pics of moby, his setlist, and a bissful
moby music listening experience...el fin

there was my story- thanks, kids, for listening-kc

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Date: Sat, 01 Sep 1956 08:39:06 +0000
From: Your Name <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) 25 moby letters

HEY YOU GUUUUUUUUUYYYYYYSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!

)))))) it was fun reading all your moby stories opinions
and info
i bow to dan perry for having 50 and brad for his 37!!!!!!!
egads you are elected !!!!!!!!
(i have 9)
maybe bonnie could get us all a shirt and start a little business
maybe we can all chat on a desert island
and love our little brothers
and all start a band?
and damian gets a cut of everything!!!!!!!!>
howzat for world peace?

cc:

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Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 16:33:39 -0800 (PST)
From: Paul Simpson <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) offbeat

i don't know if you've heard about this but i discovred on cd now a cd
called offbeat a red hot sound trip, and the last song on it track 26
was by our dear beloved moby. they gave r.a. samples of all the trax
on the cd. moby's piece (not song), called republican party, was
awful...all it was was a bunch of guys laughing and what sounded like
a goat crying. it sucked! i also listened to a song by dj spooky on
the cd (which also sucked) and an "audio collage" by Meat beat
manifesto (which was actually quite good...)
just a little drop of the needle...er, laser...

bye the way, i sacrificed my lunch period today to go to the school
library...i did some research, and i found out that in 1994, mtv
played aphex twin's "on" video on their late-sunday-nite alternative
rock show, 120 minutes, because there was no where else on the channel
it would fit (of course, it didn't fit there neither...)

just in case you all wanted to know...(which u probably didn't)


==
"is he depressed, or is he a mess? does he feel totally worthless?
who came up with person man? degraded man, person man."-they might be giants
"i hate the living"-girl from the morgue in Men in Black
>>>>>>>>>>PAUL<<<<<<<<<<


_________________________________________________________
DO YOU YAHOO!?
Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com

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Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 22:14:53 EST
From: EvilNinja2 <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) Cd tally

I'm at 49 cd's...

dj tripp

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Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 19:23:39 -0800
From: [e-mail] (Alvin)
Subject: Re: (mobility) offbeat

I LOVED IT!!!

I don't think you got the message, Paul S.  It's political.  An
"offbeat" dis on the... guess what... republican party!  Well, that's
what I get from it.  Maybe I'm wrong...  But man, Moby is making some
enemies with that!  -  Alvin

[e-mail]
A smiley face for a speeding bass!!!  ;)

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Date: Sat, 01 Sep 1956 09:29:54 +0000
From: Your Name <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) offbeat

> .all it was was a bunch of guys laughing and what sounded like
> a goat crying. it sucked!

WOW.......    PAUL..... that sounds like a let down
which i do feel points to one major reason that our featured subject
will not attain the mass pepsi/coke award
besides he has made it a point to be very very political
and judgmental
which is cool but not going to win you
everybody as a fan>>>>>>>
but that is the inconsistency of some of the musical output
being offered by moby>>>>>>>>>
i'm not saying he should do what anybody
wants but at the same time why do what
nobody wants?
if i wanted to hear goats bleeding
dogs moaning cows mooing or people
threatening to do harm to each other
i'd listen to tit wrench or some other
highly politically confused noisebenders>>>>>>>>>>>>
it's like ice-t putting out cop killer after playing a cop (great role)
to prove to his homies that he's down with the hood
and not the man
i think moby had to prove (to himself at least)
that he's not some pretty disco happy shiny boy>>>>>>>>>>>
i think it's sad when we gotta get
ugly to prove how tough or upset we are with the world
>>>>>i've always felt that the truly tough
know how to be gentle
or at least majestic
and that's a tough trick to pull off sometime
when we are feeling angry and powerless>>>>>>
i'm not saying yanni (YUK!) is strong enough to be gentle
[his music lacks ANY aim altogether it seems to me]
but i really hate to see someone like moby stooping to
shock tactics to make a point as unbalanced as this one sounds like it is>>>>>>>
I AM NO REPUBLICAN
but shouldn't there be a democratic party theme song too
maybe a shirt button being ripped off while some heavy grunting
and some poor ambitious dame going oh mr.president?

this all sucks if you ask me>>>>>>>
it ain't music any more
it might be art to some
but it ain't good art>>>>>>>>>
i know some people who hate me because they think it is our duty
as artists to make screwed up music to show how screwed up the world is
like if you make something nice it must mean you feel
all is right with the world>>>>>>>>>>
they make that sort of garbage
i've been involved in that.........almost but to a point
even in my earlier punk days
it HAD TO HAVE TONS OF MUSIC
no matter how angry!!!!!!!
and it should uplift make you think
feel and wonder how good can it get???????
we already know how bad it 's probably gonna get>>>>>
that's what evolution2000
is about>>>>>>
it's either we do it
(CHANGE)
and do it quick or it's gonna get real real bad before you can say
ROBOT (al gore) for PRESIDENT in 2000.>>>>>>>

,mman i hope moby can handle his responsibility as a leader towards change
as it ain't just some game out there>>>>>

ev2k

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Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 19:43:42 -0800
From: [e-mail] (Alvin)
Subject: Re: (mobility) media killed the techno star

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Paul ([e-mail]),

I'd like to thank you for misunderstanding and misinterpreting the
things I said so that I could clear it up to others that may be confused
with the things I say.

Yes, my bro knows I rip on him. like he cares...  And as far as
stereotyping young people, I pick on my little bro 'cuz I don't have an
older one.  Besides, I know tons of old people who have no taste.  I
have my own tasteless favourites too.

As far as contradicting myself,  I don't think so.  I still want Moby to
be low.  What I meant when I said it'd be nice to have more Moby fans, I
meant fans that know what he's all about.  Like, maybe a hunderd within
this coming year.  Not like the whole US liking him because someone
remixed "Everytime You Touch Me" enough to sound like a pop song and be
a top 40 song.  Yikes!  So, more as in a little more and not like
billions on some funky "bandwagon."

About me being a cop out.  Thanks!  I asked people to E me privately if
they had any problems with my RELIGIOUS comments.  I have led this group
off the topic quite a few times (namely Moby not liking the T movie) and
I didn't want it to  happen again.  That is why I said that.

Another thing is that I loved the responses I got.  It was nice to see
that people managed to keep this one on topic and had some great
responses.  As far as being wong.  I love it.  It's the only way I learn
things.  I love being wrong!

See, now this has gone off topic.  This is specifically what I was
trying to avoid.  Sorry again, ppls!  Much love, Alvin

[e-mail]
A smiley face for a speeding bass!!!  ;)
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Alvin wrote:
>
> I'm sorry Clay, but I think your little religious analogy was a bit off.
> I mean, it would be okay to see more Moby fans if they know what it's
> all about.  And that's what happened with religion.  People know the
> meaning.  But to have my little bro like Moby just because he sounds
> good and that his friends and his friends' friends think he's cool
> without any meaning behind it is different.  A better analogy would be
> like... going to church every Sunday and not having any clue what the
> sermon is about and not caring what it's about.  Sorry.  If you or
> anybody else has a problem with this, E me privately.  -  Alvin
>
> [e-mail]

Does your little brother know how much you rip on him?
Well, it's just that you seem to be stereo typing young people
as having no taste in music, and for the most part thats true
but I would like to share the fact that my little brother has
been listening to Moby since he was ten (he's twelve now) as well
as my sixteen year old brother, they both beg me to borrow Moby
CDs and record Moby mix tapes for them...they love him.
They are the ones telling thier friend's about him and so they
think he's cool too...but because of the music not pop culture.

By the way you contradicted yourself from message to message,
first you wish Moby stayed low profile then you say it would
be great if there were more Moby fans...

Asking us to email you privately is kind of a cop out don't you
think, like you knew you had some real arguments coming and
you might be wrong- well I hop ethis didn't sound like a flame,
I respect your opinion and there is nothing wrong with it-
I just wanted to add my two cents and stimulate some more
conversation...

paul


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Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 20:43:57 -0700
From: "Michaela Gerstner" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) my mom likes "to score"

a big shocker happened to me like that.  my mom heard some of voodoo child
the end of everything and she LOVED it!  now, not to rag on her because i
love my mom, but she basically only listens to one musician (leonard
cohen-who's really good, too.. grew up listening to him and billy joel), so
this really shocked me.  she hasn't heard the techno stuff, but she agrees
that moby is a talented artist.  my dad has even grooved to some of moby...
and he is mostly stuck on stuff like black sabbath (trying to relive his
teenage yrs. @ times).  so, i guess my parents aren't all that bad..
sometimes.
Blessed Be,
Plovious
http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/Vines/3589/

- -----Original Message-----
From: Paul Simpson <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
Date: Friday, March 27, 1998 6:26 PM
Subject: (mobility) my mom likes "to score"


>just wanted to let y'all know, i was talking about how i thought james
>bond theme should've been a hit, to my mom today, and i let her listen
>to ILTS. she thought the james bond theme was really good and she
>agreed that it shouldve been a hit. She did think some songs on the
>album, like grace, were a little pointless though.
>
>check out my new extra depressed sig (they were the only 2 quotes i
>could think of while answering mail today...)
>
>np:nothing, there's no cd player in the office of our house (the
>cd-rom drive doesn't count)
>
>
>
>
>==
>"is he depressed, or is he a mess? does he feel totally worthless?
>who came up with person man? degraded man, person man."-they might be
giants
>"i hate the living"-girl from the morgue in Men in Black
>>>>>>>>>>>PAUL<<<<<<<<<<
>
>
>_________________________________________________________
>DO YOU YAHOO!?
>Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
>
>

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Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 20:39:20 -0700
From: "Michaela Gerstner" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) media killed the techno star

hey john.. just curious.  where did u use to live?  i'm familiar w/ three
points in AZ, it's imbetween where i live and tucson.  and, i know what it
is like to not have a radio station out here... i live on the tohono o'odham
reservation that has nothing for non-natives.  so.... i know ur pain, i
guess.

i feel the same way about this fame stuff.  i don't want MTV to get their
grubby hands on moby and play his music over and over again so all those
music fad people can pretend to understand and then hate him when his music
is played too much.  i like the fact that people are hearing more of him, i
just don't want him to burn out.  moby makes great music... every CD i've
heard has been great, even AR (which i love).  i like the fact that his
music is diff't... hearing the same stuff from the same artist gets tiring
after a while.  but, in a way i want moby to make it big.  i dunno.. i'm
torn.  but, it's not my decision to make.  i'll continue to like his music
no matter what... even when MTV refuses to even mention moby anymore, i'll
still love his music.
Plovious
- -----Original Message-----
From: john--> <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
Date: Friday, March 27, 1998 5:15 PM
Subject: Re: (mobility) media killed the techno star



hey all-
i just thought i'd take the opportunity to comment-
- ----------
> >so even if he started liking MOBY for
> >ALL THE WRONG REASONS
> >he ended up appreciating him for many of the right ones>>>>>>>>
> >it's happening everywhere>>>>>>>
>
> I really appreciated this post, I think it had a lot of insight.  I mean,
> we all had to start listening to Moby somewhere.  I doubt any of us became
> HARDCORE Moby fans overnight.  I feel selfish
> about Moby too, and don't want him tainted out there in mainstream, but
> maybe some kid out there on a farm who'd never hear Moby otherwise hears
> him and it changes that kid's life then it's worth it.
>
> -- Ade.

i agree that the comments made before were for the most part right on.  i
disagree about the whole 'i doubt any of us became hardcore moby fans
overnight' thing.  i was in awe and totally impressed by moby and his music
the very first time i heard it.  i saw him on the show 'wavelength' in 91,
went out and bought the move single and have loved him ever since.  i can
relate to the whole thing about feeling selfish though.  i feel that if moby
were to become 'mainstream' as you call it, people would not truely be
listening to the music.  i personally don't care how many or how few people
listen to moby.  i could care less. i know the way i feel when i listen to
his music and that's good enough for me.  it's when he starts making music
that he thinks others want to hear that i have a problem.  i have always
respected moby because he makes the kind of music that he wants too,
regardless of what's "popular".  when he made everything is wrong so many
people didn't like it because it wasn't straight techno.  when he made
animal rights a lot of people were like- he can't do that- he's supposed to
be a techno artist- he can't make a guitar based album-  did moby care? no-
i really respect that and as long as he's making the music for himself and
doing what he wants to do , than i'm cool with him.
about the whole 'farm kid thing'. i disagree.  i used to live in a small
retirement community in south western az.  there was nothing there, no good
radio stations, no good music stores, nothing.  i don't think that forfiting
ones artistic integrity, and/or going 'mainstream' to sell music to a kid on
a farm is very wise or productive.  in the town i grew up in they wouldn't
have played moby on the radio even if he were popular- so it would have been
for nothing.  that's all for now- later


john--:)

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