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From: owner-mobility-digest@lists.xmission.com (mobility-digest)
To: mobility-digest@lists.xmission.com
Subject: mobility-digest V1 #122
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mobility-digest Friday, March 27 1998 Volume 01 : Number 122
Re: (mobility) Moby's nobody
RE: (mobility) Moby's nobody
Re: (mobility) media killed the techno star
Re: (mobility) media killed the techno star
Re: (mobility) that k-tel thing
(mobility) Cd tally
(mobility) trendy moby and moby cds
RE: (mobility) trendy moby and moby cds
Re: (mobility) media killed the techno star
Re: (mobility) (no subject)
Re: (mobility) (no subject)
Re: (mobility) Re: NIETSZCHE discussion
(mobility) Vpro Late
Re: (mobility) media killed the techno star
Re: (mobility) media killed the techno star
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Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 11:37:05 -0800
From: "Rekkit" <rekkit@spectranet.ca>
Subject: Re: (mobility) Moby's nobody
Along the lines of us talking about Moby's relative anonymity...
I work at an HMV that's in a fairly large city outside of Toronto; we've
been open since October and it was only *2* weeks ago that we sold our first
Moby cd. It was Animal Rights...I just find it really, really odd I guess.
We get a lot of special orders for KLF, obscure techo &
DnB....industrial...whatever. The market is *there*, but no-body seems to
be interested in Moby. I just thought it was kind of interesting....
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 11:59:10 -0500
From: Steve Giles <Steve.Giles@digital.com>
Subject: RE: (mobility) Moby's nobody
>Along the lines of us talking about Moby's relative anonymity...
>I work at an HMV that's in a fairly large city outside of Toronto;
we've
>been open since October and it was only *2* weeks ago that we sold
our first
>Moby cd. It was Animal Rights...I just find it really, really odd
I guess.
>We get a lot of special orders for KLF, obscure techo &
>DnB....industrial...whatever. The market is *there*, but no-body
seems to
>be interested in Moby. I just thought it was kind of
interesting....
It is! Does your store respond to what sells well and order more is it more
of "a list handed down from above" for what you stock and how many? My store
of choice Only carried major albums (US) and a single or two (also US
versions). Their import section is small and disorganized. And yet, when I
bought a copy of Bring Back My Happiness (all they had besdies Everytime)
they stocked copies of Move and 1 copy of Into the Blue #2 in the US single
section, not imports, which it actually was. I bought ITB#2, they have
another one there now, there got #1, I got, they replaced. Now they have
Disk (US), Go (UK?) Hymn, & Come On Baby. Well, that's what happened. I
bought Hymn and someone else bought Come On Baby.
Anyway,
- -Steve Giles
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 13:20:32 -0500
From: Ade Olonoh <ade@anderson.edu>
Subject: Re: (mobility) media killed the techno star
>so even if he started liking MOBY for
>ALL THE WRONG REASONS
>he ended up appreciating him for many of the right ones>>>>>>>>
>it's happening everywhere>>>>>>>
I really appreciated this post, I think it had a lot of insight. I mean,
we all had to start listening to Moby somewhere. I doubt any of us became
HARDCORE Moby fans overnight. I listened to techno for a few years and
never listened to Moby until my roommate popped in EIW one day. I loved
the CD, read all the essays and searched the 'net for more info. But it
wasn't until a year later that I actually started buying Moby CDs and
really started getting into it. So if Moby has to be incorporated into
mainstream and everyone treats him like Hanson that may be the price to pay
if only one out of a thousand of those people really grew to appreciate,
respect and tried to understand the music and the man. I feel selfish
about Moby too, and don't want him tainted out there in mainstream, but
maybe some kid out there on a farm who'd never hear Moby otherwise hears
him and it changes that kid's life then it's worth it. Like someone said
before, when the 15 mins. are up, I'll still be here. Who knows, maybe
there are still some hardcore Vanilla Ice fans out there.
Speaking of hardcore fans, it would be interesting to see what the average
number of Moby CDs people on this list have. It would also be interesting
to see who has the most. I've only got 9 - I'm sure many of you have me
beat. Maybe we could take up a tally sometime.
- -- Ade.
adekunle@anderson.edu
http://picard.anderson.edu/~adekunle
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 13:39:48 -0500 (EST)
From: travelling without moving <marjorana.karathanasis@yale.edu>
Subject: Re: (mobility) media killed the techno star
> never listened to Moby until my roommate popped in EIW one day. I loved
> the CD, read all the essays and searched the 'net for more info. But it
> wasn't until a year later that I actually started buying Moby CDs and
> really started getting into it.
I agree. I first started really getting into moby a while after I heard
EIW which my friend played for me. It was after I saw him live last
semester and since being on this list, my collection has gone from just
EIW to include, Rare and Collected Bsides, Move!, EOE, I like to score,
Disk, AR, and when I get more cash, I will buy more. He grows on you like
that.
- --marjorana
- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
"Can't anybody see? We've got a war to fight. Regardless of what they
say, how can it feel this wrong? I've got nobody on my side and surely
that ain't right." -Portishead
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 15:01:10 -0500
From: Ryu <jwz109@psu.edu>
Subject: Re: (mobility) that k-tel thing
At 06:45 AM 3/27/98 -0700, you wrote:
>i say 'thousand' would be my candidate. never heard anything like it
>before, and probably never will. more terrifying than the scariest, and
>more bold than anything i have ever heard before.
>this track will forever stand alone as being a scheer example of brilliance.
since i asked this question, i guess it's only fair that i reply myself.
"thousand" is on the top of my list as well as most influencial.
while many songs have expanded on it's theme, and gone faster,
it was a major catylist for what you hear in alot of gabber
these days. and from an american no doubt!
alot of his early early instinct material has been quoted as influencing
alot of industrial artists of the decade as well
i don't think that too much of his material beyond "move" has
influenced as many people. mainly because it's newer. i know lots of
unsigned new artists (like myself!) who have been moulded by his
newer material.
but i think it's remained low key also because, as much as moby would
like it to be, his newer music just isn't pop music.
why?
because most of the time, it's too passionate.
or it's about something specific.
from,
ryu
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
My name is Ryu. I make hard emotional
electronic music. To hear some, get cds,
and see stuff, go to my homepage at:
http://www.personal.psu.edu/users/j/w/jwz109/
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Ryu | jwz109@psu.edu | 814-867-0756
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 12:42:05 -0800
From: Daniel Lee <dnlee@stdntpop.lmu.edu>
Subject: (mobility) Cd tally
Ade Olonoh wrote:
> Speaking of hardcore fans, it would be interesting to see what the average
> number of Moby CDs people on this list have. It would also be interesting
> to see who has the most. I've only got 9 - I'm sure many of you have me
> beat. Maybe we could take up a tally sometime.
I have 18 Moby CDs right now...
due to increase soon with the purchases of AR/LI and Lopez.
Dan.
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 15:44:34 -0500
From: John Tice <tice@nbn.net>
Subject: (mobility) trendy moby and moby cds
In response to all the posts about people liking moby just cause he's on a
soundtrack or mtv, i think there are certainly people out there who like
certain "edge" artists because they think they'll get popular and they can
look really cool for liking so-and-so first. I know as bunch of people like
that who were like "I was listening to NIN like five years ago, man." Or
they try to impress you by naming all kinds of obscure artists that they've
probably only heard one song of. So, it's just that the coin flips both
ways. For the tally of Moby CD's thing, I have 9 too, and love them all.
Peace,
Andrew Tice
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 16:07:46 -0500
From: Steve Giles <Steve.Giles@digital.com>
Subject: RE: (mobility) trendy moby and moby cds
I don't know about everyone else, but I've never thought anyone who said "I
liked so & so first" was 'really cool'. I would, depending on the delivery
of the statement, think either that the person who said it was a schmuck, or
that they were trying to convey a deeper appreciation or understanding of
the music. Liking 'edge' artists rarely brings one any prestige, but instead
brings confused looks. "Who???" I see what you're trying to say, though.
(correct me if I'm wrong) There are a-holes who listen to 'mtv' stuff and
a-holes who listen to 'edge' stuff. At the same time, there are really cool
people both places. Right?
- -Steve
In response to all the posts about people liking moby just cause
he's on a
soundtrack or mtv, i think there are certainly people out there who
like
certain "edge" artists because they think they'll get popular and
they can
look really cool for liking so-and-so first. I know as bunch of
people like
that who were like "I was listening to NIN like five years ago,
man." Or
they try to impress you by naming all kinds of obscure artists that
they've
probably only heard one song of. So, it's just that the coin flips
both
ways. For the tally of Moby CD's thing, I have 9 too, and love them
all.
Peace,
Andrew Tice
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 15:07:06 -0700
From: "Michaela Gerstner" <plovious@geocities.com>
Subject: Re: (mobility) media killed the techno star
well... maybe i'm the unusual fan... i did become a moby fan overnight. my
boyfriend back then brought over his CD, EIW when it first came out, to my
house & stuck it in. it was the sweetest sound i heard and then i began
collecting CD's and everything i could. of course, the picking was slim
until i moved here to AZ. i found a record store that has everything... and
boy did i stock up on moby. spent all my $$, as a matter of fact. i'm
waiting to go back to that store, anxiously awaiting. so... i did become a
fan in a matter of minutes, i guess. i've always been open to diff't styles
of music, and moby has opened up my taste even more.
i've always wondered this.. why is it that european countries & the UK seem
to have the better music faster? my boyfriend was from ireland, so he
already knew about moby. i knew nothing of him until that day. they always
seem to release the better stuff over in europe, whereas we're stuck w/ the
same stuff until months later. sometimes i wish i could just go and back
and live in europe, but i wouldn't understand anything (i'm german, but
forgot my own language-depressing, huh?)... so, i guess i'll just have to
keep my ears open.
anyways, enough rambling. oh, if we're doing that count of # of CD's, i
have 8. not much, but it's a good beginning. sometimes it sucks when u
live an hr away from the closest city.
Blessed Be,
Plovious
plovious@geocities.com
http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/Vines/3589/
- -----Original Message-----
From: Ade Olonoh <ade@anderson.edu>
To: mobility@lists.xmission.com <mobility@lists.xmission.com>
Date: Friday, March 27, 1998 11:22 AM
Subject: Re: (mobility) media killed the techno star
>>so even if he started liking MOBY for
>>ALL THE WRONG REASONS
>>he ended up appreciating him for many of the right ones>>>>>>>>
>>it's happening everywhere>>>>>>>
>
>I really appreciated this post, I think it had a lot of insight. I mean,
>we all had to start listening to Moby somewhere. I doubt any of us became
>HARDCORE Moby fans overnight. I listened to techno for a few years and
>never listened to Moby until my roommate popped in EIW one day. I loved
>the CD, read all the essays and searched the 'net for more info. But it
>wasn't until a year later that I actually started buying Moby CDs and
>really started getting into it. So if Moby has to be incorporated into
>mainstream and everyone treats him like Hanson that may be the price to pay
>if only one out of a thousand of those people really grew to appreciate,
>respect and tried to understand the music and the man. I feel selfish
>about Moby too, and don't want him tainted out there in mainstream, but
>maybe some kid out there on a farm who'd never hear Moby otherwise hears
>him and it changes that kid's life then it's worth it. Like someone said
>before, when the 15 mins. are up, I'll still be here. Who knows, maybe
>there are still some hardcore Vanilla Ice fans out there.
>
>Speaking of hardcore fans, it would be interesting to see what the average
>number of Moby CDs people on this list have. It would also be interesting
>to see who has the most. I've only got 9 - I'm sure many of you have me
>beat. Maybe we could take up a tally sometime.
>
>
>-- Ade.
>
>adekunle@anderson.edu
>http://picard.anderson.edu/~adekunle
>
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 16:47:34 -0600
From: "andrew n lomax" <RAGE424@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: (mobility) (no subject)
.
>I havn't heard them yet, but they are probably
>from the Big Top show here.
i havent got the cd YET but the tracks are more than likely from edgefest
(outdoor concert promoted by the edge last april for those who dont live in
dallas)
moby didnt play revolver at BIG TOP
drew
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 16:47:34 -0600
From: "andrew n lomax" <RAGE424@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: (mobility) (no subject)
.
>I havn't heard them yet, but they are probably
>from the Big Top show here.
i havent got the cd YET but the tracks are more than likely from edgefest
(outdoor concert promoted by the edge last april for those who dont live in
dallas)
moby didnt play revolver at BIG TOP
drew
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 15:57:53 -0700
From: Damian <damian@xmission.com>
Subject: Re: (mobility) Re: NIETSZCHE discussion
Your Name wrote:
>
> damian>>>>>
>
> regarding the nietszche link)
> i tried it a couple times and my computer has crashed all three attempts>>>>>>
> is anybody else experiencing this?????
> that should be an interesting discussion>>>>>>>>>>
> kinda curious>>>>>>>
It looks like the link provided (http://www.vpro.nl/laat) isn't any
good. My browser (NS) gives me the message, "this document contains no
data" and fortunately nothing crashed on me. I would recommend cutting
the address down to the essentials (http://www.vpro.nl/) and go from
there. Those who follow this link will find that the site is aimed at
those who are familiar with Dutch. The web site acknowledges English by
provided the following link,
http://www.vpro.nl/frontend/english/frame.html -- this link might also
be helpful http://www.vpro.nl/data/laat/laat-uk.shtml
I have not looked into this any further. Here's is an edit of the
original message for those who are wondering what the heck I'm talking
about:
> > Subject: VPRO
> > Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 10:25:08 +0100
> >
> > Moby will be featured in an episode of VPRO Late, a cultural magazine on
> > national tv in (alas) Holland. The episode is dedicated to the subject
> > of 100 Years of Nietzsche: what role can artists and philosophers play
> > in the search for new meanings that characterizes our fin-de-millenium.
> > Other interviewees a.o. Alain Finkielkraut and Peter Sloterdijk.
> >
> > William de Bruijn
> > research Laat op de avond na een korte wandeling
> > t: ++ 31 - (0) 35 - 6 712 786
> > f: ++ 31 - (0) 35 - 6 712 733
> > e: wilbru@vpro.nl
> > w: http://www.vpro.nl/laat
damian
owner-mobility@lists.xmission.com
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 18:37:39 -0500
From: Steve Giles <Steve.Giles@digital.com>
Subject: (mobility) Vpro Late
Well, here's what my investigation turned up:
I started from the homepage as suggested. I followed this to the Vpro Laat
page.
http://www.vpor.nl/data/laat.index.shtml
<http://www.vpor.nl/data/laat.index.shtml>
I went into the index, where Moby was listed. The link was BUSTED! At the
end of the link was /074-map/shtml. I tried changing the last / to a . but
the link still didn't work. Either they prompted Daniel about this before
their data was posted, or..I don't know.
Good Luck everyone!
Till Monday, Steve
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 03:52:49 -0800
From: outthere@stitch.com
Subject: Re: (mobility) media killed the techno star
Alvin wrote:
>
> I'm sorry Clay, but I think your little religious analogy was a bit off.
> I mean, it would be okay to see more Moby fans if they know what it's
> all about. And that's what happened with religion. People know the
> meaning. But to have my little bro like Moby just because he sounds
> good and that his friends and his friends' friends think he's cool
> without any meaning behind it is different. A better analogy would be
> like... going to church every Sunday and not having any clue what the
> sermon is about and not caring what it's about. Sorry. If you or
> anybody else has a problem with this, E me privately. - Alvin
>
> Alexander3@webtv.net
Does your little brother know how much you rip on him?
Well, it's just that you seem to be stereo typing young people
as having no taste in music, and for the most part thats true
but I would like to share the fact that my little brother has
been listening to Moby since he was ten (he's twelve now) as well
as my sixteen year old brother, they both beg me to borrow Moby
CDs and record Moby mix tapes for them...they love him.
They are the ones telling thier friend's about him and so they
think he's cool too...but because of the music not pop culture.
By the way you contradicted yourself from message to message,
first you wish Moby stayed low profile then you say it would
be great if there were more Moby fans...
Asking us to email you privately is kind of a cop out don't you
think, like you knew you had some real arguments coming and
you might be wrong- well I hop ethis didn't sound like a flame,
I respect your opinion and there is nothing wrong with it-
I just wanted to add my two cents and stimulate some more
conversation...
paul
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 98 17:13:50 PST
From: "john-->" <richey3@c2i2.com>
Subject: Re: (mobility) media killed the techno star
hey all-
i just thought i'd take the opportunity to comment-
- ----------
> >so even if he started liking MOBY for
> >ALL THE WRONG REASONS
> >he ended up appreciating him for many of the right ones>>>>>>>>
> >it's happening everywhere>>>>>>>
>
> I really appreciated this post, I think it had a lot of insight. I mea=
n,
> we all had to start listening to Moby somewhere. I doubt any of us bec=
ame
> HARDCORE Moby fans overnight. I feel selfish
> about Moby too, and don't want him tainted out there in mainstream, but
> maybe some kid out there on a farm who'd never hear Moby otherwise hear=
s
> him and it changes that kid's life then it's worth it.
>
> -- Ade.
i agree that the comments made before were for the most part right on. =
i disagree about the whole 'i doubt any of us became hardcore moby fans =
overnight' thing. i was in awe and totally impressed by moby and his mus=
ic the very first time i heard it. i saw him on the show 'wavelength' =
in 91, went out and bought the move single and have loved him ever since.=
i can relate to the whole thing about feeling selfish though. i feel =
that if moby were to become 'mainstream' as you call it, people would not=
truely be listening to the music. i personally don't care how many or =
how few people listen to moby. i could care less. i know the way i feel =
when i listen to his music and that's good enough for me. it's when he =
starts making music that he thinks others want to hear that i have a prob=
lem. i have always respected moby because he makes the kind of music tha=
t he wants too, regardless of what's "popular". when he made everything =
is wrong so many people didn't like it because it wasn't straight techno.=
when he made animal rights a lot of people were like- he can't do that-=
he's supposed to be a techno artist- he can't make a guitar based album-=
did moby care? no- i really respect that and as long as he's making =
the music for himself and doing what he wants to do , than i'm cool with =
him.
about the whole 'farm kid thing'. i disagree. i used to live in a small=
retirement community in south western az. there was nothing there, no =
good radio stations, no good music stores, nothing. i don't think that =
forfiting ones artistic integrity, and/or going 'mainstream' to sell musi=
c to a kid on a farm is very wise or productive. in the town i grew up =
in they wouldn't have played moby on the radio even if he were popular- =
so it would have been for nothing. that's all for now- later
john--:)
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