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From: owner-mobility-digest@lists.xmission.com (mobility-digest)
To: mobility-digest@lists.xmission.com
Subject: mobility-digest V1 #90
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mobility-digest Tuesday, February 17 1998 Volume 01 : Number 090
Re: (mobility)Beliefs
Re: (mobility) Why I joined this list...
Re: (mobility) Why I joined this list...
Re: (mobility) Why I joined this list...
(mobility) The evil list admin speaks...
(mobility) Moby's Musical Direction
Re: (mobility) moby has left the list
Re: (mobility) UHF to N.I.T.E.(next is the e)
Re: (mobility) Sampling
Re: (mobility) moby's gone jungle
Re: (mobility) speed garage
(mobility) moby's intentions
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Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 20:15:36 -0800
From: Daniel Lee <dnlee@stdntpop.lmu.edu>
Subject: Re: (mobility)Beliefs
Brian, Pazifistin, and all,
see, I've been thinking that once I graduate from college I'll try to
become a vegetarian.
In the meantime, what takes the place of meat in a vegetarian diet? I'd
really like to know, because I'd like to stop eating meat.
Thanks for the responses,
Dan
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Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 22:22:33 -0600 (CST)
From: Furball <furball@thor.pla-net.net>
Subject: Re: (mobility) Why I joined this list...
At 10:57 PM 2/16/98 -0500, you wrote:
>"Herding"? I'm not quite sure I like the implications. That this list has
>either leaders or that we are capable of being herded.
Well, from observation, it looks like a bit of both. Ryu is definately a
leader on this list; everyone loves him, no one challenges his opinions,
etc. This is speaking from the viewpoint of someone who's been on this list
for about a month. Although he does make some intelligent posts, I don't
think there should be total agreement on everything he says. I agree that
the Puff Daddy discussion was quite hackneyed, but had it been brief and
well-discussed rather than the constant stream of "Puffy sucks" messages, it
might have been a good debate.
>Personally, I must admit that I have not listened to my Moby collection in
>quite a while. I find the man's philosophy much more intreguing than his music
>at the present music. But then again, what I listen to usually fluctuates (sp?)
>depending on what's going on in my life.
I've been listening to Moby constantly since September. With every release
of his I pick up I find a different facet of his personality. The seemingly
endless types of electronic (and beyond) music types he attempts just shows
his ambition is as strong as his dedication to his beliefs. As long as this
ambition doesn't die, I will remain a loyal Moby fan.
On another subject hinted at above, I hope to start an intellectual debate
with this one.
Recently, I heard Madonna's new single, "Frozen". Obviously, this was her
attempt at taking a stab into the electronic music realm. The song was
punctuated with various synth bits, various percussive sounds run through
filters and delay, and a chorus consisting of a jungle-type break. The song
itself wasn't that bad; IMHO, it was a better attempt at techno than Bush's
"Mouth", which was a huge chart hit. The point I want to make is this; how
do members of this list, some of you being fans of electronic music for the
7-year duration of Moby's career so far and some even longer than that, feel
about pop stars trying to make techno-ish songs? Is it proliferating the
genre, smattering it with a bad name, or do you feel that these artists are
making a genuine attempt at writing better songs by adding electronic
flavoring to their music?
How do you feel about this music becoming chart-topping mainstream hit fare?
Do you want it to stay underground? I'm curious...
Personally, I don't care if it's mainstream...just as long as they do it right.
>Peace,
>Brian
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| I'm on an ocean that has a brain and makes us dream... |
| I'm on a mission to wipe imagination clean... |
| -Failure, "Solaris" |
| DJFurball on IRC Kevin in reality |
| http://www.pla-net.net/~furball |
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Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 23:48:12 -0500 (EST)
From: Brian Ruh <beruh@expert.cc.purdue.edu>
Subject: Re: (mobility) Why I joined this list...
> Recently, I heard Madonna's new single, "Frozen". Obviously, this was her
> attempt at taking a stab into the electronic music realm. The song was
> punctuated with various synth bits, various percussive sounds run through
> filters and delay, and a chorus consisting of a jungle-type break. The song
> itself wasn't that bad; IMHO, it was a better attempt at techno than Bush's
> "Mouth", which was a huge chart hit. The point I want to make is this; how
> do members of this list, some of you being fans of electronic music for the
> 7-year duration of Moby's career so far and some even longer than that, feel
> about pop stars trying to make techno-ish songs? Is it proliferating the
> genre, smattering it with a bad name, or do you feel that these artists are
> making a genuine attempt at writing better songs by adding electronic
> flavoring to their music?
> How do you feel about this music becoming chart-topping mainstream hit fare?
> Do you want it to stay underground? I'm curious...
Well (and I'm probably a minority on this group with this), I have absolutely
no allegiance to "electronic" (or whatever you wanna call it) music. The
only artist I really listen to on this genre is Moby himself. Also a spattering
of KMFDM, Pig, Skinny Puppy, and the like. But personally I go more towards
punk and ska. At least recently that's what I've been listening to.
But I see what you mean. In the last few years, we've seen the whole "Big
Punk Thing" and the "Big Ska Thing" break. It's really disconcerting to see
people you sort of know being played on MTV. Just strange...
I agree with the statement (that I seem to have deleted) with the gist that
"as long as they do it right." I mean, I hate to see bands such as No Doubt
being hailed as ska bands. Get it right, here, people.
People may get the wrong idea at first. "Yeah, I like 311. They're a good
ska band." Aargh! But if "pop" electronica remains in the public eye, sooner
or later people will pick up on the real stuff. I think it's a good thing.
I'm not sure if I got off track or not. It's late and I still have a
buttload (hee, that's a funny word) of homework. I think I posted more tonight
than I ever have.
peace,
Brian
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Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 01:10:15 -0500
From: Norom <jwz109@psu.edu>
Subject: Re: (mobility) Why I joined this list...
>Well, from observation, it looks like a bit of both. Ryu is definately a
>leader on this list; everyone loves him, no one challenges his opinions,
>etc. This is speaking from the viewpoint of someone who's been on this list
>for about a month. Although he does make some intelligent posts, I don't
>think there should be total agreement on everything he says.
there is nothing that Ryu likes more than a good challenge.
heck, he wonders the countryside looking for a worthy opponent.
there is no better challenge than a good argument, and Ryu
welcums an argument from anyone.
agreement is boring.
with sincerity,
Norom
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
My name is Ryu. I make hard emotional
electronic music. To hear some, get cds,
and see stuff, go to my homepage at:
http://www.personal.psu.edu/users/j/w/jwz109/
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Ryu | jwz109@psu.edu | 814-867-0756
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 23:39:47 -0700
From: Damian <damian@xmission.com>
Subject: (mobility) The evil list admin speaks...
Well, it's been an interesting day for the mailing list and myself (I'm
licking my wounds as I type). I am surprised to see what people thought
of myself and the job I do in operating this list. Who would have
thought that little me cast so much fear (you know - kicking, banning,
and the total censorship of anything to do with philosophy).
So I write in the hope that I can re-clarify what I always thought my
stance regarding philosophy and this mailing list to be. Actually, I'm
not really going to write anything new... I'm going to re post what I
have said all along... my position isn't changing, it hasn't changed,
and I doubt it ever will. The following email was posted in November of
1997 when this mailing list last experienced a problem regarding the
discussion of philosophy. In case it gets missed, I'll say it here:
PHILOSOPHY IS WELCOME ON THIS LIST WHEN IT RELATES TO MOBY.
As you can see in the post below - I wasn't militant, threatening, or
condescending about the discussion. Sure, I am wary when it comes to
philosophy because of the tendency for things to go awry. I had hoped
that things would get restarted in the right direction... but I didn't
think it would take three months. Anyway, the discussion that took
place today was great. As far as I can tell, everyone kept it related
to Moby (now I feel like a broken record).
Okay, I now withdraw to my den of hell. (:
> I thought I would finally speak up and say what I feel about the debate
> over philosophy on this mailing list. I was kind of hoping that the
> problem would solve itself but it doesn't look like that is going to
> happen. I'm going to keep this short and sweet because I could go on
> and on. Of course, we can discuss it further if needed.
>
> In general, I would say I prefer to have it off the list. While I enjoy
> seeing what people have to say about Moby's views, I don't want to see
> an ongoing debate about personal beliefs that don't have anything to do
> with Moby. I know this is a fine line but it's there nevertheless.
>
> Most of the list members are here because of Moby's music. Since that
> is the case, it should be the music that we discuss most.
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Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 01:23:08 +0000
From: phathead@flash.net
Subject: (mobility) Moby's Musical Direction
I was sitting around today glancing over at my Moby c.d. collection
that consists of 32 discs. But that's not the point. I was wandering
what tracks Moby has released in the last 7 or so years that have
truly moved me. At first I was very skeptical about a rock album
from Moby. But now that all the dust has cleared and I'm now looking
at all these c.d.'s, I'd honestly have to say that "Say It's All Mine"
from Animal Rights has moved me more than any song Moby's done.
With Moby being my favorite artist, does this mean that it's my
favorite song of all time by any group or artist? Probably not.
But I know for a fact that I have rocked so hard to that song
while I was driving my little Honda CRX more than any Moby song.
The track is just emotionally incredible. The point I'm trying to make
is will this emotion continue on the new album? Can you imagine an
electronic album from Moby with powerful lyrics like on Animal Rights?
OK that's all
Other powerful tracks from Moby IMO
- -Unloved Symphony
- -Hymn (alt.quiet.version)
- -Go (subliminal)
- -Face It
- -Animal Sight
- -Desperate
Good Night and thank you
RT
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Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 09:03:55 -0600
From: Scott Stegenga <steg@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Re: (mobility) moby has left the list
>Well, anyway, I just wanted to know, how many of you actually believe moby
>about the animals and the meat and the cars so much that you actually follow
>that lifestyle, i.e. a automobileless vegan? Just wanted to know. Later.
I had an interview with Moby way back in 1993 in Grand Rapids, MI (where I
went to college...Calvin), and we had a neat chat about our Christian
beliefs. I am a Christian myself, and like Moby, not much of a "bible
basher" like the way Christians are portrayed in the media. I'm just like
Moby...searching for truth.
But back to the main subject, we discussed this Christian view of
vegetarianism and I recall him mentioning something around the lines of
this...if God created Man to watch over his creation (the Earth and all its
creatures) and have dominion over them, then why should we kill so many
living and breathing animals, which in a way, share alot of similar things
like us? God has dominion over us and he doesn't pick us off one by one like
cherries from a tree. He wasn't vigilant on this subject, but this was his
opinion. And in a way I respect that opinion. Personally, I have reduced my
"carnivorous lifestyle" greatly and have the occasional "chicken option."
But that stuff is so full of chemicals these days, its impossible to eat
that as well.
Anyone going to the God Lives Underwater show at The Metro tonite
(tuesday)...short notice, but I'll be there. JadenX...I owe you a phone
call...sorry.
Scott Steg
...I Love Carrots
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Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 09:06:08 -0600
From: "Dennis Daniels" <ddaniels@wcs-net.com>
Subject: Re: (mobility) UHF to N.I.T.E.(next is the e)
I've noticed that, going further past NIN, there are a lot of artists
that remix songs so much that, by the time they're done, the songs sound
nothing like the original in the sense that so much has been added and
taken away. A good example of this is Aphex Twin. When he remixes songs,
they turn out to sound completely different than anything like it did
before. (Another example:NIN's 'Fixed' e.p.)D.
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I suppose. Trent Reznor is another person famous for ripping himself off
like that, and I know many people who do similar mixes and give them
alternate names, out of those names come entirely different remixes. In
essence, it usually works out.
>dj tripp
>p.s. i love the fact that next is the e turns into N.I.T.E.
Hehehe, it's quite novel...
*-----------------------=====================--------------------------*
| I'm on an ocean that has a brain and makes us dream... |
| I'm on a mission to wipe imagination clean... |
| -Failure, "Solaris" |
| DJFurball on IRC Kevin in reality |
| http://www.pla-net.net/~furball |
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Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 09:12:59 -0600
From: "Dennis Daniels" <ddaniels@wcs-net.com>
Subject: Re: (mobility) Sampling
I just got 'In Sides' the other day, and what is the deal with Bon
Jovi and Belinda Carlisle?
D.
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Lush 1, Halcyon +ON +ON, Belfast, or Kein Trink Wasser are all great
Orbital
Songs. Moby did Spead Freak and I did not really like that song. I know
this is
a off topic, but can someone please tell me if it is Halcyon or Halycon
cause I
have 3 dif albums with is Halcyon and 1 with it Halycon. I don't know what
Halycon is, and I know what Halcyon is, but Halycon sounds cooler. Now, has
Moby ever remixed any other Orbital because I love them and I would like to
see
if Moby would be able to make it better. It would be amazingly hard. Later.
This message sent using the FirstClass SMTP/NNTP Gateway for Mac OS.
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Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 09:16:47 -0600
From: "Dennis Daniels" <ddaniels@wcs-net.com>
Subject: Re: (mobility) moby's gone jungle
How about "Sway"? All I can picture when I hear that song is a
storm moving over an ocean with a buoy swaying in the wind. I LOVE that
song (and about 99.987% of the rest of his songs) It's not jungle, but it's
good anyway.
D.
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From: Rekkit <rekkit@spectranet.ca>
To: mobility@lists.xmission.com
Subject: Re: (mobility) moby's gone jungle
Date: Monday, February 16, 1998 11:34 PM
>That's a nice remix, but really weak "jungle". Though I'm sure I'll
>enjoy any excursions Moby makes into drum & bass, he should probably
>leave the serious jungle to the pros and trade remixes with them. He
>could turn their 'musical wallpaper' into neat emotional songs, while
>they take his material and mash it up!
We can't forget Dark either; even if it was a tad repetative. I really
hope
he decides to experiment with something like that again...
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Death In Vegas: The Unofficial Page:
http://www.spectranet.ca/~rekkit/index.htm
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Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 09:21:40 -0600
From: "Dennis Daniels" <ddaniels@wcs-net.com>
Subject: Re: (mobility) speed garage
Uberzone also did an excellent remix of The Crystal Method's "Busy
Child" on the single. Other than that, though, I have no idea who Uberzone
is.??.D.
- ----------
I agree with Aphex Twin. :) Richard D. James should make some interesting
tracks out of Moby's work. Other than that, I suppose I'd like to see what
an Uberzone mix of Moby would sound like. They've done some superb mixes
for
Keoki...
>cheers
>==
>Adios Amigos,
> ~~PAUL~~
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| I'm on an ocean that has a brain and makes us dream... |
| I'm on a mission to wipe imagination clean... |
| -Failure, "Solaris" |
| DJFurball on IRC Kevin in reality |
| http://www.pla-net.net/~furball |
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Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 07:39:28 -0700
From: Dan Legare <danny@nettwerk.com>
Subject: (mobility) moby's intentions
>Now that I have read 20 minutes worth of 4 posts, I feel the need to
>respond. I
>have not been here for more than a month, but I have noticed that you are all
>right. However, I don't know if every post, or even the majority, should be
>about personal moby. For myself, I like hearing about Moby's songs, because
>everyone here has shown me how little I actually know. I had 16 Moby CDs and
>thought I was a hot shot. I guess I was wrong. I would like to know about
>Moby,
>but not to the point that I know more about him than myself. In my mind, It
>would be kind of violating him to examine every move he makes. If you think we
>should examine, then lets examine him through his songs. Who cares about where
>he lives, or what color clothes he wears unless he wrote a song about him. I
>mean, sure I don't like the "I think he should remix Heathcliff" or something
>like that, but how deep do we have to get. If you are going to go that far, at
>least put a little (W) to warn me in your title so I can prepare myself to
>read
>the post. Well....To qoute the great Dennis Miller, "That's just my opinion, I
>could be wrong."
>Well, anyway, I just wanted to know, how many of you actually believe moby
>about the animals and the meat and the cars so much that you actually follow
>that lifestyle, i.e. a automobileless vegan? Just wanted to know. Later.
right on. first and foremost, and i am playing devil's advocate, pardon the
pun, but if someone has to go to the extremes as printing essays in cd
sleeves that end up selling hundred's of thousands of cds, then he is out
to make more then just a mere point. i agree for the most part with moby's
writings and respect his thoughts and trying to put myself in his shoes, i
don't think he would want someone to follow his thoughts to the point that
the individual reading it would alter their life. this would make it the
cult of moby. he has way to many things to worry about than be responsible
for those who follow his 'teachings'. these things like becoming
environmentally, socially, politically aware comes from within. the true
value of individual philosophy is that it isn't directly influenced from
outside forces. these are personal issues.
being a vegetarian for 7 years, i made a decision to alter my diet from
animal flesh and had to start taking supliments and eating things like tofu
and beans etc. this was a decision i made for myself, by myself. the beauty
of coming to a personal realization is something, i think anyway, is what
moby is trying to express. i think knowledge in knowing the true colors of
this world, is power, and power from within is where you will find the
strenght to change the world for yourself.
or am i naive?
one last thing, you don't have to be angry at the world to know that there
are things wrong with it.
Dan Legare
Nettwerk Mail Order Department
danny@nettwerk.com
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