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mobility-digest       Monday, February 16 1998       Volume 01 : Number 088



Re: (mobility) moby has left the list
Re: (mobility) moby has left the list
Re: (mobility) moby has left the list
Re: (mobility) moby has left the list
(mobility) Sanford and Son / DnB
Re: (mobility) moby has left the list
Re: (mobility) moby has left the list -- Reply part one
Re: (mobility) moby has left the list -- Reply part two
Re: (mobility) moby has left the list
(mobility) Re: Sampling (Utah Saints)
Re: (mobility) moby has left the list

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Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 16:20:33 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (mobility) moby has left the list

Ryu,
      I admire you.  Your absolutely right about the bullshit people talk
about.  There is more to a person than shown.  Everyone does something for a
reason, and I want to know Mobys reasons.  Im sure they reflect the utopian
society his wishes the world was.  Personally, I dislike most christians
because they try to poison there kids into believing in something, when what
they should do is let the kid decide.  Dont get me wrong, there are a lot of
very cool christians, moby being one of them, but they scare little kids away
from hell, not ever really making them like heaven.  Its all the kids choice.
I support Moby, unless he is just a great speaker and not a great actor.  If
anyone ever interviews him, please ask him some "deep" questions concerning
how his music reflects what he believes in.
Christianity is fine, if you follow it correctly.

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Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 16:30:13 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (mobility) moby has left the list

great gospel session guys, i think we shouldnt stray too far off coarse
though.  Its really is great to get to know a little something about everyone
you are talking to; but, we wont be talking that much longer after they kick
us off the list for forgetting moby.  We should all add our 2 cents worth
while talking about moby.  Plovious and ryu, i respect you both.  You know
what we should do, we should have our own church of Moby.  Then everyone,
including myself, can bitch about politics, religion, philosophy, while still
on the subject of moby!!!!  Its just a though, but what the hell, most of us
have nothing else to do.  Jackin it gets old, and talking about moby lyrics
gets even older.  Someone interview him damnit, figure this stuff out.

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Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 16:54:47 -0500 (EST)
From: Marjorana Karathanasis <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) moby has left the list

Yahoo for Ryu.  Finally some passion for Moby can be shown and a little
philosophy thrown on the table.  I just re-read the essay inside of Voodoo
Child/ End of Everything and the argument he uses to debunk all the
carnivores, essentially that why would anyone choose to create more
suffering in the world?  I think Moby's music on this album follows very
tightly with this message in that this very mellow ambient album makes me
feel very at peace.  I also find that Feeling so real agitates me to a
point of blind righteousness and when I listen to it I know exactly how
moby feels when he thinks about all the injustice that he writes about in
his essays.  I think there are a lot of correlations between the two
(Music and personal ethic), I just think Moby chooses to prioritize with
the vegetarian thing and the environment because these are things we can
all do as individuals without "fighting" per se, but just making conscious
choices that take into account the rest of this vast universe that we are
inherently connected to.  Because we are connected, by not making our home
and animals--inextricable parts of ourselves--suffer, consequently we do
not suffer and move one step closer to utopia.

Okay, I said my thought of the moment.  I'd love to join this little Moby
church if this kind of talk is violating mobility.

- --marjorana

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Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 22:13:50 GMT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (mobility) moby has left the list

Now that I have read 20 minutes worth of 4 posts, I feel the need to respond. I
have not been here for more than a month, but I have noticed that you are all
right. However, I don't know if every post, or even the majority, should be
about personal moby. For myself, I like hearing about Moby's songs, because
everyone here has shown me how little I actually know. I had 16 Moby CDs and
thought I was a hot shot. I guess I was wrong. I would like to know about Moby,
but not to the point that I know more about him than myself. In my mind, It
would be kind of violating him to examine every move he makes. If you think we
should examine, then lets examine him through his songs. Who cares about where
he lives, or what color clothes he wears unless he wrote a song about him. I
mean, sure I don't like the "I think he should remix Heathcliff" or something
like that, but how deep do we have to get. If you are going to go that far, at
least put a little (W) to warn me in your title so I can prepare myself to read
the post. Well....To qoute the great Dennis Miller, "That's just my opinion, I
could be wrong."
Well, anyway, I just wanted to know, how many of you actually believe moby
about the animals and the meat and the cars so much that you actually follow
that lifestyle, i.e. a automobileless vegan? Just wanted to know. Later.
This message sent using the FirstClass SMTP/NNTP Gateway for Mac OS.

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Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 16:19:44 -0600
From: "ultraviolet" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) Sanford and Son / DnB

Just for the record, I have been working on a remix of the Sanford and Son
theme.  I started it prior to someone suggesting it on this list.  That is,
I didn't copy the idea, I already had it!!  Anyway, formalities aside, I am
annoyed by "drum and bass".  The style is too closed for me.  The same goes
for jungle.  It doesn't allow enough freedom.  The preset "genre" is too
strict in design.  (The way its "supposed" to sound.)  That's my opinion.
OK, enough said.  RRR
- ------------------------------------------------------------------------
|| R| Erasure: Delobbo Remix .MP3's:  http://members.xoom.com/delobbo
|| P| 242.cure.depeche_MODE.erasure.megadeth.moby.|\|||/|.nitzer_ebb.U2.
|| D| alice_in_chains.marilyn_manson.ministry.new_order.pet_shop_boys.

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Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 15:22:17 -0700
From: "Michaela Gerstner" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) moby has left the list

a church, huh?  hmmm... it'd be the first i'd attend in yrs!  maybe one i'd
acutally agree with!  :)

glad to see that ppl agree w/ this.  but i don't see how this is straying
off the course, because this is still about MOBY.  it's not about his
music, per say, but about him.

i have a question, does MOBY actually read this list @ times... does he
even know it exists?  it's probably a dumb question, and probably already
asked... i'm just curious.  maybe if he looked at the stuff asked (whenever
stuff is asked), he'd know what questions ppl want answered.  it'd be great
to get some feedback from him, because he knows the answers.  we can't just
assume the answers... remember, when u assume.... . .. .   .  ;)

Blessed Be,
Plovious

http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/Vines/3589/
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> From: [e-mail]
> To: [e-mail]
> Subject: Re: (mobility) moby has left the list
> Date: Monday, February 16, 1998 2:30 PM
>
> great gospel session guys, i think we shouldnt stray too far off coarse
> though.  Its really is great to get to know a little something about
everyone
> you are talking to; but, we wont be talking that much longer after they
kick
> us off the list for forgetting moby.  We should all add our 2 cents worth
> while talking about moby.  Plovious and ryu, i respect you both.  You
know
> what we should do, we should have our own church of Moby.  Then everyone,
> including myself, can bitch about politics, religion, philosophy, while
still
> on the subject of moby!!!!  Its just a though, but what the hell, most of
us
> have nothing else to do.  Jackin it gets old, and talking about moby
lyrics
> gets even older.  Someone interview him damnit, figure this stuff out.

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Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 15:32:27 -0600
From: "Brad Caviness" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) moby has left the list -- Reply part one

- -----Original Message-----
From: Ryu

>this list sucks anymore.
>i'm not afraid to say it.
>the most common reply to a sentence like that is "then leave".
>but i won't go.
>
Good, we love you too much

>because there is too much to moby to talk about that 99% of
>the people on this list neglect.
>there was an argument a while back where a decision was made
>to NOT talk about moby's filosophy and beliefs and to only talk
>about release dates and similar boring things.
>
I remember the discussion, but I don't remember that outcome. I might have
missed something, but I thought the concensus (or at least my view) was that
Moby's views, philosophies and beliefs were as much a part of this
discussion as his music, especially since he goes to such trouble to make
them known in his album linear notes. I think Moby's intent is to cause
discussion, not stifle it. I remember someone suggesting a separate list for
philosophical and religious topics, but I have yet to see any actual list
materialize. So, until then, I say this is the place for that kind of talk.

>what interests me in moby, and draws  me into his music is his
>personal beliefs and feelings.
>
True, it was Moby's religious beliefs that first made me take notice of him,
regardless of how I may or may not agree with him all the time. The music is
what hooked me, but his beliefs are certainly relevant in an ongoing
discussion among fans.

 these things are tabboo on this list.
>and if it means i'll be thrown off for it, so be it...but i can't sit here
>and read stuff about issues that are secondary to me any longer.
>especially when i can simply go to dan's page and get all that anyway.
>there is a link to any fact on moby from his page.  go there if you
>want lyrics, track listings, etc....
>
I hope I don't get thrown off, either. I like people to like me.

>the reason this list has been having problems with puff daddy nonsense,
>and simple "me too" replies is BECAUSE there isn't a whole lot of moby
>news right now.  so WHY THE HADES NOT DON'T WE TALK ABOUT
>MOBY'S INSIDES?
>
>to be a hypocrite....i will bring up a topic that i'd have an orgasm
>if someone would reply and add some of their personal sentiments as well.
>
>my question is this:
>
>moby says that there are more important inssues in the world than those
>the christian right preaches (condoms, skematics of the bible, etc...).
>so does that mean that we are to prioritize everything we think and act
about?
>is there room for everyone to set their priorities?  and is it a personal
>decision
>to make yapping about teens having sex your number one priority?
>and if people's health and the environment are high on moby's list, why are
>all his songs about his own problems with love relationships?  is that i
>violation
>of what he believes?  granted, he's human and allowed to violate himself as
>much as he wants.  i violate myself sometimes twice daly!
>
>ok.  please someone say something that interests me (and many of the others
that
>have been here for a while).  thank you for reading this much.
>
>love,
>ryu
>
>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> My name is Ryu.  I make hard emotional
> electronic music.  To hear some, get cds,
>   and see stuff, go to my homepage at:
>http://www.personal.psu.edu/users/j/w/jwz109/
>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> Ryu  |  [e-mail]  |  814-867-0756
>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>
>

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Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 16:50:59 -0600
From: "Brad Caviness" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) moby has left the list -- Reply part two

- -----Original Message-----
From: Ryu
>to be a hypocrite....i will bring up a topic that i'd have an orgasm
>if someone would reply and add some of their personal sentiments as well.
>
>my question is this:
>
>moby says that there are more important inssues in the world than those
>the christian right preaches (condoms, skematics of the bible, etc...).
>so does that mean that we are to prioritize everything we think and act
about?
>is there room for everyone to set their priorities?  and is it a personal
>decision to make yapping about teens having sex your number one priority?
>and if people's health and the environment are high on moby's list, why are
>all his songs about his own problems with love relationships?  is that i
>violation of what he believes?  granted, he's human and allowed to violate
>himself as much as he wants.  i violate myself sometimes twice daly!
>
By a matter of semantics, I could be said to be a member of the religious
right. I hold traditional and orthodox Christian beliefs and am politically
conservative. However, I split ideologically from many of my brethren and
sistren when it comes to the cultural expression of those beliefs. I take
very seriously Jesus' admonitions that personal righteousness includes not
judging others.  I also can't quite jibe the Christian Coalition's supposed
pro-life stance with their support of capital punishment and lack of concern
over the environment. The Catholic's "Seamless Garment" is a much more
comprehensive document which takes more than just abortion into account when
defining a truly pro-life theology.

For the longest time, this was the signature file to all of my email:
"There seems, by the way, to be nothing pending in the Christian Coalition`s
political wish list about sheltering the homeless, feeding the hungry, or
clothing the naked, unless, of course, the naked got that way for fun." -
Tom Teepen, Cox News Service.

But it's important to note that most of the nation's social ills directly
mirror the rising liberalization of our sexual attitudes and actions. I
don't think that is coincidental. I also don't think getting people to stop
having sex outside of marriage will be a panacea to all that ails us. But
when cultural attitudes about sex do not include committment, there is a
weakening of the familial structure that is the moral foundation of our
culture. The answer, however, I believe lies in education and integrity in
personal relationships rather than legislation. Good schools, strong
churches, and elimination of poverty (rather than creating a dependant
class) are the key. All involve personal choices over social engineering. If
the Christian Coalition or American Family Association started steering
their political contributions towards creating jobs and training for the
poor, it would probably do more to encourage social morality than 100 years
of preaching.

There are Christian organizations that do good work. Evangelicals for Social
Action, Green Cross, Compassion International, all geared towards making
real life, spiritually based actions towards "Thy kingdom come, thy will be
done on earth as it is in heaven."

Is Moby a hypocrite for the apparent dichotomy between his words, actions
and art? Yes. He's said so himself. Read the linear notes to Everything is
Wrong. The point is, everyone's a hypocrite. Our actions fall short of our
ideals, no matter who we are, no exceptions. Of course, it seems Moby's art
is about his emotions and impulses, and he balances that by making his notes
about his beliefs and ideals, even when they may contradict each other.
Jesus said being honest about our sins and short comings is more important
than being good. God wants humble servants, not proud judges. Humans who act
on principle because of their love and desire to please the creator
realizing all goodness comes from God. We cannot measure up on our own. If
we stand, it's only by God's provision. And if we fall, we fall on God's
grace that covers all transgressions. If our actions and intentions are not
motivated by love, then they are pointless. Faith without works is dead. But
works without faith are only wood.

Sorry for the sermon. I don't mean to proseletyze via the list. But it seems
Moby's spirituality seems to have a handle on these tenets. He wants to
serve God according to his conscience, recognizing that he is a fallen
creature in need of redemption. He says his personal spiritual epiphany came
from reading Matthew 5-7, Christ's "Sermon On the Mount." Not a bad place to
start if you want to find a practical, working philosophy for Christianity.

BSC

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Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 15:54:13 -0700
From: Daniel Cerman <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) moby has left the list

Michaela Gerstner wrote:
> i have a question, does MOBY actually read this list @ times... does he
> even know it exists?

Moby knows about this list, but I don't know whether he has ever
got a chance to read anything from it.  This list was started
more than a year and a half after Moby canceled his Internet
account, and as far as I know, he hasn't established a new one.
He does pop online when he's doing a chat or something like that,
and has seen some web pages including Samu's and mine.  Mobility
archives are available on my site, but I don't know if he ever
looked at them.

[e-mail] wrote:
> Well, anyway, I just wanted to know, how many of you actually believe moby
> about the animals and the meat and the cars so much that you actually follow
> that lifestyle, i.e. a automobileless vegan? Just wanted to know.

Moby has some good points about why we should not eat animals
or otherwise cause suffering.  I think that because of what he
and others on this this list have said, this issue has been
brought closer to the foreground of my consciousness, and as
such I think have decreased my meat intake.  I am not ready
a full vegetarian, but I think there has been some effect.
I don't have a car, but I plan to get one, simply because it
is practically a necessity in America in 1998.  At the moment,
I jog or bike or take a bus to go places, but it's not a very
good situation.

Daniel Cerman
http://www.moby.org/

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Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 17:58:56 -0500
From: "Jose M. Cordoba" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) Re: Sampling (Utah Saints)

UTAH SAINTS!! My other favorite group!  Here's what I know:

After their first album, I know they released a single for the Brit movie SHOPPING
including the tracks "I still Think of You" and "Highlander" as well as a CJ
Bolland mix of "Highlander" and a live version of "Something Good".  I was very
fortunate to find this at the local Tower Records, but I have never seen another
copy of it.

They also released the single "Ohio" with a couple of mixes on it.  Good single but
not as strong as "I still Think of You" which is excellent.  I read somewhere of
another promotional single called "Star" being released, but I've never seen or
heard it.

They had trouble with releasing their CD which was supposed to include an
interactive part and was supposed to come out years ago.  Last I heard, though, was
that they were shooting a new video in New York City so things are looking up!

Here's a good site:  http://w3.adb.gu.se/~s94dalle/utah/utah.html

BTW Ryu, if you're reading this... they may still have a copy of OHIO at my local
Tower Records.  I'll check it out and let you know.

JMC

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Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 15:24:36 -0800
From: Daniel Lee <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) moby has left the list

[e-mail] wrote:

> Well, anyway, I just wanted to know, how many of you actually believe moby
> about the animals and the meat and the cars so much that you actually follow
> that lifestyle, i.e. a automobileless vegan? Just wanted to know. Later.
> This message sent using the FirstClass SMTP/NNTP Gateway for Mac OS.

  I think of it this way...

Moby is the sort of role model I want to spire to be like, but because of my
current situations, I can't.

    I WISH I could be as dedicated to veganism and getting rid of cars as Moby is.

But the fact of the matter is, my university cafeteria does not serve healthy
food, and I have to eat the meat.
    And even more than that, I need my car to get around. I couldn't live my kind
of lifestyle without a car. And I don't know how Moby does it. I guessing he takes
a lot of busses (which I do), and bums rides off friends (which I also do).

Anyway, I think Moby is a great role model, and his sentiments are noble. I try my
best, but I can't get rid of my car. It's not going to happen until I can afford
an electric or solar powered vehicle.

That's my two cents.

Dan

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