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klr650-digest        Wednesday, August 18 1999        Volume 02 : Number 730



Re: (klr650) New KLR Problem
Re: (klr650) AS I SEE IT
Re: (klr650) Bridgestone ED tire, Scottoiler, Sidewinder Sprockets
Re: (klr650) Rider article scan?
Re: (klr650) Harley dealers NKLR (was Al Phipps and KLR)
Re: (klr650) Dual STar, no KLR content-NKLR
Re: (klr650) Bridgestone ED tire, Scottoiler, Sidewinder Sprockets
Re: (klr650) Harley dealers NKLR (was Al Phipps and KLR)
Re: (klr650) Scottoiler-bilinkular lubing
(klr650) Think about it ......!
Re: (klr650) Scottoiler-bilinkular lubing (nklr)
Re: (klr650) Bridgestone ED tire, Scottoiler, Sidewinder Sprockets

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Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 22:49:07 -0700
From: "Jeff & Lisa Walker" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) New KLR Problem

> I've noticed that my A13's shifting gets a little sloppy when I
am riding
> slowly and the engine gets pretty hot.  Usually when traveling
through town
> at 30 mph or less.  It seems to take a little more effort to
get from first
> to second.  The rest of the time, it shifts extremely smoothly.
I've got
> about 1,200 miles on mine.  I just attributed it to the engine
getting too
> warm.
>
> Chin, Ben wrote:
> >After about 20 minutes of riding stoplight to stoplight, the
> gearbox gets
> >funky.  Specifically, I have a hard time shifting it to second
gear
> without
> >it dropping into neutral.
>
> Then Kurt wrote:
> Make sure your gear shift lever has plenty of clearance from
the
> case. It
> may need to be pulled and slid up or down a notch to give you
the
> right
> clearance. Also, make sure it is tight and not slipping. If
these
> are ok and
> the chain tension is close I would take the bike back right now
and
> have
> them find the problem...
>

I hate to point out the super obvious, but OIL!  Once the oil
gets hot, it isn't lubricating as well the moving parts in the
tranny and shifter.  For the guy just breaking in his bike, don't
worry, it will get better once you change the oil at 500 miles.
I don't think that the break in oil the Japanese use is very good
quality.  For the guy that has 1200 miles, once you get to (what
is the consensus, 2500 miles?) then you can change to synthetic
oil and watch your shifting troubles disappear.  Actually,
neither of these are really problems, I attribute it to the
operators not putting enough effort into the shift.  These KLR's
require deliberate shifts, especially from 1st to 2nd and back
down.

Jeff


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Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 23:01:50 -0700
From: "Jeff & Lisa Walker" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) AS I SEE IT

> Yes, but not for long. E-commerce will redefine modern
comsumerism and will force
> fierce competition for your business. You will get it now,
cheap, fast, and good.
> If a retailer can't, then they will be out of business. I fully
expect e-commmerce
> to completely turn things around back where they're supposed to
be. The consumer
> rules NOT the retailer or seller. My two cents,
>

That's assuming everyone has a computer, and I don't think that
will ever happen.

Jeff


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Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 01:09:49 -0400
From: "Eric Jasniewicz" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) Bridgestone ED tire, Scottoiler, Sidewinder Sprockets

Well at least we have a new topic! ;)

I thought stainless was "harder" and would last longer than the "normal"
steel sprockets.  If not, Sidewinder is wasting a helluva lot of resources
on a loser product.  Heck, I thought I was doing some good by continually
replacing the stock fasteners with stainless.  Well, come on you
metallurgists out there!  What's the deal?  Tom, are you going by what you
"think" (as I am) or do you know this stuff?  If I am definitely in the
wrong I want to know! ;)

While we're here, how about aluminum?  Aluminum is soft, yet they make
sportbike frames out of the stuff, as well as the Honda CR's.  Is the
strength from the design of the "box" for the frame, is there some treatment
involved? Or is it all just magic?

Eric J
www.angelfire.com/ga/ericjazz KLR page
'98 KLR 650 18,000 miles


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Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 02:24:43 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (klr650) Rider article scan?

In a message dated 8/17/99 7:06:10 PM, [e-mail] writes:
>Can anyone scan the Rider KLR article?  That issue never made it to any
>store I went to in north GA.


Each of the six pages has it's own link. I'll leave 'em up for a few days.

John T. Oldepus - A10

http://members.aol.com/DawnRides/page1.jpg
http://members.aol.com/DawnRides/page2.jpg
http://members.aol.com/DawnRides/page3.jpg
http://members.aol.com/DawnRides/page4.jpg
http://members.aol.com/DawnRides/page5.jpg
http://members.aol.com/DawnRides/page6.jpg

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Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 23:29:21 -0700
From: "Jeff & Lisa Walker" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) Harley dealers NKLR (was Al Phipps and KLR)

> Dear Paul,
> Maybe it's a custom/social thing... whenever I ride to the
local Harley
> Dealership here in Singapore, everyone is drawn to my Tengai,
and it's
> always a good conversation piece ( there's only 2 in S'pore,
and probably
> <according to the KAW dealer> only 8 surviving KLRs, all in all
here on the
> island ). Perhaps the HD boys are envious and wished they could
pull
> wheelies out of the dealership on their hogs as well... heh,
heh...
> JC
> p.s. BTW, there's a "HARLEY PARKING ONLY" signboard at the
dealership, and
> the Tengai always parks right smack in the middle, if possible,
heh, heh...
>

Is there a Hell's Angels or any other bike club chapters over
there?  That is the problem we have here stateside, its not the
HD bikes, or even the dealers.  Its just a good majority of the
owners / easy rider wannabees.

Jeff-who also shares his local Kawa dealer with HD


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Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 23:36:19 -0700
From: "Jeff & Lisa Walker" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) Dual STar, no KLR content-NKLR

>From there I
> went to become an 18Delta, Special Forces weapons sargent
(E-6).

Make that 18Bravo.  18Delta is a medical sergeant, and I washed
out of that school.  Don't know what I was thinking about.

Jeff


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Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 23:51:29 -0700
From: "Jeff & Lisa Walker" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) Bridgestone ED tire, Scottoiler, Sidewinder Sprockets

> Well at least we have a new topic! ;)
>
> I thought stainless was "harder" and would last longer than the
"normal"
> steel sprockets.  If not, Sidewinder is wasting a helluva lot
of resources
> on a loser product.  Heck, I thought I was doing some good by
continually
> replacing the stock fasteners with stainless.  Well, come on
you
> metallurgists out there!  What's the deal?  Tom, are you going
by what you
> "think" (as I am) or do you know this stuff?  If I am
definitely in the
> wrong I want to know! ;)
>
> While we're here, how about aluminum?  Aluminum is soft, yet
they make
> sportbike frames out of the stuff, as well as the Honda CR's.
Is the
> strength from the design of the "box" for the frame, is there
some treatment
> involved? Or is it all just magic?
>
Interesting you should ask, because I'm taking a course in
Materials Science and Engineering this semester, as well as a
civil engineering course, "Mechanics of Materials".  I can have a
detailed answer for you in a couple of months!  But for now I say
this.  Keep replacing your fasteners with stainless.  The
properties of stainless that make it desirable are it's
resistance to corrosion, and for a fastener, trying to remove a
corroded screw can be impossible.  Its only subject to tension
anyway.

Aluminum when milled properly and the framework is designed
properly can provide a very rigid frame that will handle stresses
well, and yet is very light, and corrosion resistant.  The steel
sprockets have been case hardened, by adding carbon during the
manufacturing process.  These are harder than stainless, and thus
wear longer.  The same things go for knife blades.  You want a
stainless blade to resist corrosion, but the better the stainless
properties, the worse the knife holds its cutting edge.  The best
cutting edges are produced by high carbon steel blades, but these
are prone to rust, so a trade off is made.  Are you getting the
point?  Different materials have different properties and are
useful for different applications.

Jeff


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Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 02:08:36 PDT
From: "James Chan" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) Harley dealers NKLR (was Al Phipps and KLR)

Dear Jeff,
Was once asked in a "round-about" way to become a Hell's Angel... yes they
are here as well... but the H-As' over here are really sweet guys (once you
know them) and keep out of trouble... there are other groups over here and
in Malaysia, there's a whole bunch of Sportster riders in M'sia who
apparently make nuisances of themselves and terrorise poor folk in the
capital, kicking cars, riding against traffic, riding clear through red
lights etc.
In S'pore the Traffic Cops are on the look-out for anyone who belongs to the
War Pigs ( Harley bikers ), they would have been alright, except one of the
members who's had his license revoked, crashed and died recently.
I agree with you, Jeff that it's the bikers themselves... Myself? I just
enjoying riding, and prefer riding alone or at max with another two bikers,
who have similar riding skills; I own a 96 Ultra Classic as well, but will
ride with anyone who enjoy everything associated with riding. In fact, this
weekend, a lawyer pal ( on a BMW GS ) and myself will be riding up to a
durian plantation in Malaysia ( 280 miles both ways ), to feast on what we
dub the King-of-Fruit in our part of the world, but which everyone else in
the world think is the most repulsive smelling fruit possible!
Anyone in the list, swinging by my part of the world, please give me a buzz
OK?
JC


>
>Is there a Hell's Angels or any other bike club chapters over
>there?  That is the problem we have here stateside, its not the
>HD bikes, or even the dealers.  Its just a good majority of the
>owners / easy rider wannabees.
>
>Jeff-who also shares his local Kawa dealer with HD
>


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Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 03:27:17 -0700
From: "Arne Larsen" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) Scottoiler-bilinkular lubing

- ----- Original Message -----
From: Alex Jomarron <[e-mail]>
Subject: (klr650) Scottoiler-bilinkular lubing


> I believe a fix is in order. Here's my idea to begin the
> debate: Splice the oil feeder line midway on the swingarm, run a line
> under the swingarm and run it to deliver oil to the inboard side. One must
> probably increase the flow to compensate for lubing both sides.
> So whaddya think?????

This would work.  I would consider splicing the line at the source though -
right at the resevoir in order to better equalize the flow through the
tubes.  If you tee'd off the main line, the main would still get 2/3rds of
the juice, which of course would be better than it was.
Cheers,

Arne



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Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 08:10:21 -0400
From: "ELN/oemail" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (klr650) Think about it ......!

envirmentisim (is that a word ?) today aug.18 1999 it is the home of anti
capitalism ,communism and the like... along with the American libralisims
support ....ya -know when the vic pres says the internal combustion engine
is mans greatest threat when his partner in crime (the president.) and him
make nucs available to a china a communist country that forces! women to
have abortions (we should call it what it is not population control ) and
man has no power to affect the weather even all the dam motors running at
once.
You guys, allot of you come across like a bunch of leftist Orwellyan  types
shesh-----(I can't spell.. and know I am not a public school victim)
I thought a bunch of guys that ride motorcycles especially dual sports would
not have these thoughts o well the left has bran washed
Mike
p.s. this sucks how about something else !!!!



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Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 07:54:12 -0600
From: "Fred Hink" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) Scottoiler-bilinkular lubing (nklr)

- ----- Original Message -----
From: Arne Larsen <[e-mail]>
To: Alex Jomarron <[e-mail]>; <[e-mail]>
Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 1999 4:27 AM
Subject: Re: (klr650) Scottoiler-bilinkular lubing


> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Alex Jomarron <[e-mail]>
> Subject: (klr650) Scottoiler-bilinkular lubing
>
>
> > I believe a fix is in order. Here's my idea to begin the
> > debate: Splice the oil feeder line midway on the swingarm, run a line
> > under the swingarm and run it to deliver oil to the inboard side. One
must
> > probably increase the flow to compensate for lubing both sides.
> > So whaddya think?????
>
> This would work.  I would consider splicing the line at the source
though -
> right at the resevoir in order to better equalize the flow through the
> tubes.  If you tee'd off the main line, the main would still get 2/3rds of
> the juice, which of course would be better than it was.
> Cheers,
>
> Arne


I have a better idea (?)  Why not buy two Scottoilers and splice in the
vacuum fitting.  This way you could control the oil to each side of the
chain.  On days where you have a hard wind from the left side you could just
crank up the left oiler and your chain would still get enough oil.  Maybe
you could have an accessory Scottoiler and run a line up to the clutch
cable, suspension linkage and steering bearings.  Also run a line up to your
billfold to ease out all that extra money to me.  ;<)

Fred  (you can call me cash $$$$)


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Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 09:20:53 -0400
From: Tom Simpson <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) Bridgestone ED tire, Scottoiler, Sidewinder Sprockets

At 01:09 AM 8/18/1999 -0400, Eric Jasniewicz wrote:
>Well at least we have a new topic! ;)
>
>I thought stainless was "harder" and would last longer than the "normal"
>steel sprockets.  If not, Sidewinder is wasting a helluva lot of resources
>on a loser product.  Heck, I thought I was doing some good by continually
>replacing the stock fasteners with stainless.  Well, come on you
>metallurgists out there!  What's the deal?  Tom, are you going by what you
>"think" (as I am) or do you know this stuff?  If I am definitely in the
>wrong I want to know! ;)



    I dunnow, man, My metalurgical background (such as it is) is as a
gunsmith, and in that world stainless steels are something of a mixed
blessing. One of the things that comes up a lot is that by the time you
pack enough chromium and nickel into the alloy to get it to be realy
corrosion resistant, it becomes quite dificult to heat treat to get
adequate wear resistance. Many of the earlier stainless firearms suffered
from all sorts of odd wear and galling problems that took a while to sort
out. Over time alloys and tecniques have been adjusted to correct a lot of
this, but come to think of it in the knife making world common stainless
steels still arent noted for superior edge holding. Perhaps a sprocket made
out of ATS-34 or AUS-8 (corrosion resistant aerospace and tool steels) are
the answer. Too bad about the second morgage...  :)


- -Tom
Still running OEM sprockets
'96 KLR 650



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