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klr650-digest         Tuesday, August 17 1999         Volume 02 : Number 729



(klr650) Star Bright...NKLR
Re: (klr650) RE: Slow Mail Order Service
Re: (klr650) Harley dealers NKLR (was Al Phipps and KLR)
(klr650) thanks for the input?
Re: (klr650) Dual STar, no KLR content
(klr650) No Subject
Re: (klr650) New KLR Problem
(klr650) Scottoiler-bilinkular lubing
Re: (klr650) Bridgestone ED tire, Scottoiler, Sidewinder Sprockets
Re: (klr650) Dual Star problems-NKLR
Re: (klr650) Dual STar, no KLR content
Re: (klr650) AS I SEE IT NKLR
Re: (klr650) Fw: BOUNCE [e-mail]:    Non-member submission from ["a phipps" <[e-mail]>]

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Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 22:14:28 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: (klr650) Star Bright...NKLR

Dual Star defenders and detractors have me seeing stars.

At the risk of creating another barrage of posts, Dual Star is the
only game in town for some items. They are a small company of
and for enthusiasts. They've put considerable heart and energy
into it.

Could they do better? Sure, for starters they could add staff,
improve their marketing skills, and bring all the manufacturing
in-house to better control delivery dates. Business would boom.
Customer relations could blossom into Four Stars, until surely
one day their CFO will force them to stop supporting the small
KLR niche because it is such a waste of company resources.

The upside would be that you could ride your bike more, because
you wouldn't be waiting by the mailbox....at least until the next
aficionado dreams up a new product for your pleasure.

dawn - bring cheese next time, if you're gonna whine me


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Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 20:22:22 -0600
From: Mike Sonzini <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) RE: Slow Mail Order Service

Bryan Loehr wrote:

> When you all post your concerns about this topic, may I request that you
> all heavily stress that this is proof that we all need TWO bikes--one to
> ride while waiting for parts for the other?

Sorry Bryan, but you are completely wrong.

Two are not enough.  My Transalp has been down for 3 weeks now.  Fortunately, I've
kept my '81 Suzuki TS250 as a spare.  I used it a week ago to ride with Kurt and
Kimberly.  Two days ago, I went riding with a friend on the Suzuki and broke my
rear brake linkage.  Ended up riding home the last 15 miles with no rear brake.

As you can see, 2 bikes may not be enough.

Fortunately, my wife's Yamaha Serrow is still operational....................

Mike
'90 Transalp
'81 TS 250

and now wanting a KLR ( or anything else that works )


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Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 19:50:50 PDT
From: "James Chan" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) Harley dealers NKLR (was Al Phipps and KLR)

Dear Paul,
Maybe it's a custom/social thing... whenever I ride to the local Harley
Dealership here in Singapore, everyone is drawn to my Tengai, and it's
always a good conversation piece ( there's only 2 in S'pore, and probably
<according to the KAW dealer> only 8 surviving KLRs, all in all here on the
island ). Perhaps the HD boys are envious and wished they could pull
wheelies out of the dealership on their hogs as well... heh, heh...
JC
p.s. BTW, there's a "HARLEY PARKING ONLY" signboard at the dealership, and
the Tengai always parks right smack in the middle, if possible, heh, heh...


>From: "Paul Christenson" <[e-mail]>
>Reply-To: "Paul Christenson" <[e-mail]>
>To: [e-mail]
>Subject: (klr650) Harley dealers NKLR (was Al Phipps and KLR)
>Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 12:56:06 PDT
>
>>In motorcycle shops that sell "Jap" bikes in the same room as >harleys, do
>>they line all the harleys up on one side of the room away from the other
>>bikes?
>
>The Honda/Kaw/Harley dealer in Fremont, CA does.  Honda and Kaw together by
>the door, H-D in back by the parts counter (!), and accessories in between.
>
>>Do harley customers speak to non-harley customers?
>
>As long as the non-HD riders indicate that their current ride is only
>temporary, until they can afford a Harley. <G>
>
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Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 23:03:46 -0400
From: "ELN/oemail" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (klr650) thanks for the input?

Alan from the way criticism of bad treatment  goes over here I will not get
into it about Madison Motorsports.!? where should I start?! and I do not
want to here it I run a business with my family and of course we make
mistakes....mistakes I know have lost us business..... ant it great.. ya
know free markets, capitalism, USA !!!!!
that said we (Madison) do not do business anymore.  BTW that's where it came
from and I am in The city on the rise, Rocky Mount.

This has allot to do with the KLR question besides I like it allot and it
less expensive and the Kaw dealer is F%&ing great to deal with so, I'll just
take my money and go elsewhere.......

Eh... don't anyone go to crazy but not very well made is not good complement
I think I will take that with a grain of salt unless someone well....... I
would never say that about the Tiger just bad....never mind.....no bad
service all say it and say it again .........that's it

I will take 7500.00 for my Tiger to the lister that asked I emailed you from
work and the 800# is where I can be reached tomorrow. anyone else interested
,for real, email me and I will respond with my 800# so you can call for more
info

Went to the Kaw dealer it is olive drab 2000 model  anyway I am just waiting
on well nothing but a ride on the thing maybe Thursday I will have time and
they prep it.

I hope I haven't rambled on to much here..........
Mike





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Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 22:58:38 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (klr650) Dual STar, no KLR content

In a message dated 8/17/99 8:16:17 PM Mountain Daylight Time,
[e-mail] writes:

<< Damn Gino.... and all this time I thought you were a really mellow dude. >>

I usually am.  Just need to lay off the coffee for a while ;-)
I'll be okay after a long run, hot bath and good night's sleep.

Gino

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Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 23:03:35 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: (klr650) No Subject

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Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 00:05:21 -0700
From: "DobeMan" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) New KLR Problem

> >However, I've already run into my first problem with the bike.
> >After about 20 minutes of riding stoplight to stoplight, the gearbox gets
> >funky.  Specifically, I have a hard time shifting it to second gear
without
> >it dropping into neutral.

    I had this same problem when I first got my KLR.  You just need to get
used to the bike and shift firmly and deliberately.  If you try a light
shift you will hit neutral more times than not.

Karl




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Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 21:12:16 -0700 (PDT)
From: Alex Jomarron <[e-mail]>
Subject: (klr650) Scottoiler-bilinkular lubing

Greetings half lubed KLRists,

I believe Eric Jazz mentioned the single side lubing of the Scottoiler.
After 19k, my stock chain was thrashed. When I took a very close look at
it, the orings on the inboard side had significantly more cracks than the
outboard side. I believe a fix is in order. Here's my idea to begin the
debate: Splice the oil feeder line midway on the swingarm, run a line
under the swingarm and run it to deliver oil to the inboard side. One must
probably increase the flow to compensate for lubing both sides.
So whaddya think?????
Who wants to be the first to sacrifice their Scottoiler??

Alex in Oak Park

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Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 23:53:35 -0400
From: Tom Simpson <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) Bridgestone ED tire, Scottoiler, Sidewinder Sprockets

At 08:09 PM 8/17/1999 -0400, Eric Jasniewicz wrote:

>OK, complaint time...  Has anyone here ever dealt with Sidewinder Sprockets?
>I sent them several emails, tried to get through on the phone, never got any
>feed back from them.  I was trying to find out if they make stainless steel
>sprockets for the KLR.  They apparently make them for all bikes for $110 for
>a rear.
>



    Why would you want a stainless rear sprocket? I would think that a
high-carbon alloy steel would wear better.


- -Tom
'96 KLR 650


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Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 21:45:08 -0700
From: "Jeff & Lisa Walker" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) Dual Star problems-NKLR

> However (if I may pompously wax an opinion here - again), since
I happen to
> believe that the future success of manufacturing businesses
will be largely
> dependent on their imagination and ability to quickly service
niche
> production runs, it would do Mike well to get some strategic
help,
> otherwise he's going to see competition in the very near
future.
>
Perhaps I should recommend my father in-law to him.  My father
in-law runs his own consulting firm in Seattle.  He helps
businesses (small and large) to be more efficient and flexible to
the changing market, mostly through computer modeling and
computer software and hardware solutions.  I don't understand
fully what he does, but I know that he's very good at it.  He has
consulted for hospitals all over the country, and for other
business ranging from Musak to Food Services of America to
Microsoft.  He has enough flyer miles now for three round trip
tickets to Europe.  To bad Randy (my in-law) isn't into
motorcycles, because he's been known to take trade in place of
payment.  He consulted for a local harp maker in Seattle called
Dusty strings, and for payment has three harps, two of which are
worth more than baby grand pianos, really beautiful work.  My
mother in-law is a harpist and a music practitioner, so she was
very thrilled with the deal.  Anyway, it does sound like Mike has
some production problems he needs to figure out.  I personally
haven't felt the need to own a center stand yet, but I was
interested in their heat shield.

Jeff


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Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 21:56:49 -0700
From: "Jeff & Lisa Walker" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) Dual STar, no KLR content

 I told her I did not want to take a
> fun hobby or interest and  turn it into a worrisome money
making venture.
> Ever wonder if a mailman takes hikes for a hobby?

I used to all the time, for fun, go backpacking, fishing and
hunting and dayhikes with my wife, and in my former carreer I
started out as an 11Bravo, light Infantryman.  I then went to
become an 11B2V, Airborne Ranger (sargent E-5).  From there I
went to become an 18Delta, Special Forces weapons sargent (E-6).
All of these jobs involved walking huge distances over extreme
terrain carrying extremely heavy loads.  I loved my job, and I
still to this day love hiking and hunting and camping.  So yeah,
I can see a mailman taking hikes for a hobby.  I wonder if
gynocologists are celebet.

Jeff


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Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 22:14:21 -0700
From: "Jeff & Lisa Walker" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) AS I SEE IT NKLR

> AS I SEE IT......
> Modern consumerism sucks! You want something? You want
something
> now!!! You want it cheap!!!!......you want good product?...good
luck.
> No matter what size a company is, there are always surges
> of product demand that cannot be planned for due to a fickle
market
> that has been created and nurtured by the Creators of the
"throw
> away" approach to goods and services.........the whole
mentality around
> "I want it now, cheap, fast, and good" sucks.....and it is a
> contradiction........and it leads to "I want something, or
everything
> for nothing!!!!!". Keep in mind what big industry wastes in its
bid for
> supremacay.....the environment, the worker, the quality, and
the
> consumer. Now, the environment......


If you want to read a really good book on this subject, please
check out, "How Much is Enough?  The Consumer Society and the
Future of the Earth" by A. Durning, 1992, published by W.W.
Norton and Co.  Its not a thick book, and isn't heavy technical
reading.  It just lays out the facts of the consumer society that
we live in and its impact on the global environment.  If this
subject really interests you, for some heavier reading try "Green
Planet Blues.  Environmental Politics from Stockholm to Rio." by
K. Conca, M. Alberty, and G.D. Dabelko, 1995, published by
Westview Press.

We live in what I like to call the "Burger King Generation"  (My
way, Right away!).  I have been trying very hard to ease my
personal impact on the environment, as a lifestyle choice, and
I'm wondering all the time about how I can personally do more.
But, unlike most environmentalists, I don't like imposing my
views on others.  All I like to do is try and enlighten people to
the facts.  The largest and simplest facts are that we, the human
race, have a great impact on the environment, including the
weather, and that we, the human race, are growing.  Once these
facts are realized by all, then all of the details as to how to
improve the situation just need to be hammered out.  I read the o
ther day that India will exceed the 1 billion mark by next May,
so far only China has done this.  But China has now imposed
strict limits on population growth, which isn't possible in any
other country.  But still, what is the solution to that?  Roughly
one in six people of the world are Indian.  I guess we could
always go with Steve Martin's solution, death penalty for parking
violations.

Jeff


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Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 22:40:37 -0700
From: "Jeff & Lisa Walker" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) Fw: BOUNCE [e-mail]:    Non-member submission from ["a phipps" <[e-mail]>]

Next morning, I went out to adjust my chain.  On the right
> >side of the swing arm the plate that caps off the end of the
swing arm was
> >gone along with the two nuts that go up against it.  I was not
too happy
> and
> >phoned the dealer who had put my chain on.  He apologized and
admitted that
> >the mechanic probably did not tighten the lock nut enough
(either that or
> he
> >forgot to put the plate on all together?).  He promised to
ship me a new
> >plate and nuts to my home address and told me to use a couple
large washers
> >and buy a couple nuts to use for making adjustments on that
side of the
> >swing arm.  A hassle but at least we got back on the road
again.  We put on
> >another 200 km or so.  I was doing about 115km/h on the I 94
when I heard a
> >loud pop and my engine stopped.  I coasted to the side of the
interstate.
> >My chain had snapped.  I was not a very happy guy at this
point.  By then,
> >my brother was under a lot of pressure to get back to
Vancouver for work so
> >he continued on.  I called a tow truck on my cellular phone.
....  The next day I went to the shop and met with the mechanic.
> >He said the chain had come apart at the master link and he
thought that
> this
> >indicated the clip hadn't been put on all the way or was put
on facing the
> >wrong direction. He hoped to be able to just put on a new
chain for me.  He
> >had to grind the chain out from around the front sprocket and
then
> >discovered that the chain had cut a hole into my crank case.
After a full
> >day on the phone with the shop that put on the chain, they
agreed to pay
> for
> >parts to have the bike repaired.   Once I get home I am going
to look into what I
> >can do to try and get more money out of the shop that put on
the chain.
Any opinions
> >or advice for me??

Boy if this isn't an argument for doing your own work, I don't
know what is.  Even if a shop offers free installation with the
purchase, I mostly turn them down, or I look over their shoulder
the entire time, and inspect everything that they've touched.
You need to call the Better Business Bureau of the city that you
were in and ask for their help.  You could also call the State
Attorney General's office of that state and ask for help.  Keep
all of your receipts, including food and lodging, because they
are liable for that as well.  Good luck!

Jeff


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