<DIV>As a Californicator, I can attest to the cougar problem. After they became protected, the cougar population has exploded. They are highly adaptable creatures. They learn to live in suburban areas, and have been known to prey on children, joggers, etc.... Game management is not a concept understood by Peta, etc.... In the area in which I live, it is becoming dangerous to take a walk, jog, or bike ride outside of the city limits. You might become cat food. A friend of mine was chased by a cougar while Mtn. bike riding, within a mile of my house. Luckily he was going downhill, and escaped. More power to the cats, as far as I'm concerned, but they don't need complete protection. In one well known case a female jogger was killed. The offending cougar was tracked and killed. Then it's kits were found. "The poor orphaned kittens." A lot of money came pouring in to 'save' the kittens. Guess how much money was donated to help the dead womans children? Virtually none. That's the way it is here on the 'Left' coast.....sheeesh..... Just my opinion. hardtack </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=4>The public, as I understand it, put a stop to cougar hunting in California. Now cougars eat joggers and kids playing in their back yards. Fish and Game officials have to hunt down the offending cougar, after the damage is done, because population control by hunting is against the law. Public pressure did that</FONT></DIV>
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Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2002 10:02:43 -0500
From: hikingonthru@cs.com
Subject: RE: MtMan-List: Making Mocs
Wynn,
Leather does wierd things of tis own accord sometimes. Best I can tell you is to pound the bejeezus out of the seam with a hammer to flatten it and make it less irritating or save the sole and try again.
By the by, it sounds as if you are trying plains style mocs. For a mtn.man portrayal, a center seam moc is just as correct. Many of the folks from back east wore these style mocs and most of the native heritage trappers would have had this style moc if they were making their own to replace what wore out. They are easy to make and have one seam...none of it under your heel!! And you can affix rawhide to the hi-wear areas to prolong their life pretty easily.
- -C.Kent
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<DIV></DIV>>Subject: Re: MtMan-List:trapping and other stuff ! (baits)
<DIV></DIV>>Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2002 15:04:45 -0500
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<DIV></DIV>>sue---
<DIV></DIV>>I had to trap several areas in the ozarks that there was no way to drive
<DIV></DIV>>a stake in the creek bottom or the lake bottom and what i normally did
<DIV></DIV>>was tie a drag rock to the chain and place it out into the water and i
<DIV></DIV>>would tie some light cord on to the rock---when the beaver would get
<DIV></DIV>>cought they have a tendency to go to deep water and when they do they
<DIV></DIV>>drag the rock into deeper water and thus drownd then-- when i come by the
<DIV></DIV>>set and the trap is gone i would grab the light rope and pull the beaver
<DIV></DIV>>in which was attached to the trap and the drag rock I tried the tangle
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<P>>method a few times but didnt have much success with it in the area i was </P>
<P>>trapping---</P>
<P><FONT face="Lucida Handwriting, Cursive"> My brother Eric told me years ago about when he hunted and ran traps in the Blue river(eastern Arizona-south of Alpine), of how he made a simular set. He told me of a non-target racoon that came into his set. The rock he had xmas wrapped with double wire was setting on a ledge under water. The racoon did not pull the heavy rock in the water. Evidently Rocky knew of his fate if he swam for it. Eric said it was sure funny seeing this racoon rock and wobble that rock as he approached. I was so mad at him because he didn't bring it home alive and call me. He said you can't domesticate grown wild animals that easy. He said the pull out problem was so bad on coons that he usually drowed them if near water. He said he caugh ducks, muskrat, and racoons many times on beaver sets. This method makes good sense for a trapper on limited technology. Besides, I do not know if a beaver would chew the rope off a rock; but they did have wire a Fort Union prior to 1840.</FONT></P>
<P><FONT face="Comic Sans MS"> I'll e-mail Eric and see if he will share his formulae for making beaver lure or medicine as ye mountaineers say.</FONT> </P>
<DIV><FONT face="Lucida Handwriting, Cursive">I'm really jealous of you guys having all the fun,</FONT></DIV>
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Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2002 16:49:08 -0800
From: "SUE RAVEN" <blond40ddqhearts@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Beaver on the Brain!
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<DIV>I would like your critique of the quality of the info on this site on beavers.</DIV>
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