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Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2002 21:02:43 -0500
From: hikingonthru@cs.com
Subject: MtMan-List: Beaver lure recipe
Who wanted a beaver lure recipe? Contact me offlist. Mr. Enos, who is one of the most ardent and knowledgable trappers I have had the pleasure of meeting, told me how to make an easy bait that does not freeze and works GREAT.
- -C.Kent
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Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2002 19:02:33 -0700
From: Todd Glover <tetontodd@juno.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Fur Trade Houses - research
Dick,
Have you got some fort building project in mind somewhere locally?
If so, there are a lot of folks who would be interested in helping.
Todd
On Sat, 9 Feb 2002 19:34:52 EST SWzypher@aol.com writes:
> With all the knowledge accumulated in the group, I am sure someone
> can help
> me with some research:
>
> I am trying to piece together a composit of what a fur trade post
> would be
> like - west of the Mississippi, American influence and strong
> Hudsons'Bay
> influence. In size smaller than Fort Union, but larger than
> Astoria.
>
> Information I am trying to accumulate includes: what activities were
> housed
> within the palasades such as Factor's quarters, storehouse, trade
<DIV><FONT face="Lucida Handwriting, Cursive">Mr. Jim Hardee,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Comic Sans MS"> I think you are correct as I found a document that describes the failure of total dependence upon the 'tanglestick' technique, and alternatives. It is obvious before the steel trap the chiseltooth was like the buffalo before the horse; eating and breeding without much fear of man. Surely, the brigades and free trappers trapped what was missed or trap educated on later dates in different expeditions; collecting the the missed beaver.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Comic Sans MS"></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Comic Sans MS"> This is from Washington Irving's "Adventures of Captain Bonneville", chapter 26: </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Comic Sans MS"></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV>
<P>Practice, says Captain Bonneville, has given such a quickness of eye to the experienced trapper in all that relates to his pursuit, that he can detect the slightest sign of beaver, however wild; and although the lodge may be concealed by close thickets and overhanging willows, he can generally, at a single glance, make an accurate guess at the number of its inmates. He now goes to work to set his trap; planting it upon the shore, in some chosen place, two or three inches below the surface of the water, and secures it by a chain to a pole set deep in the mud. A small twig is then stripped of its bark, and one end is dipped in the "medicine," as the trappers term the peculiar bait which they employ. This end of the stick rises about four inches above the surface of the water, the other end is planted between the jaws of the trap. The beaver, possessing an acute sense of smell, is soon attracted by the odor of the bait. As he raises his nose toward it, his foot is caught in the trap. In his fright he throws a somerset into the deep water. The trap, being fastened to the pole, resists all his efforts to <BLINK><FONT color=#ff0000>drag</FONT></BLINK><A name=HEREHEREHERE></A> it to the shore; the chain by which it is fastened defies his teeth; he struggles for a time, and at length sinks to the bottom and is drowned. <BR wp="br1"><BR wp="br2">
<P>Upon rocky bottoms, where it is not possible to plant the pole, it is thrown into the stream. The beaver, when entrapped, often gets fastened by the chain to sunken logs or floating timber; if he gets to shore, he is entangled in the thickets of brook willows. In such cases, however, it costs the trapper diligent search, and sometimes a bout at swimming, before he finds his game. <BR wp="br1"><BR wp="br2">
<P>Occasionally it happens that several members of a beaver family are trapped in succession. The survivors then become extremely shy, and can scarcely be "brought to medicine," to use the trapper's phrase for "taking the bait." In such case, the trapper gives up the use of the bait, and conceals his traps in the usual paths and crossing places of the household. The beaver now being completely "up to trap," approaches them cautiously, and springs them ingeniously with a stick. At other times, he turns the traps bottom upwards, by the same means, and occasionally even <BLINK><FONT color=#ff0000>drag</FONT></BLINK>s them to the barrier and conceals them in the mud. The trapper now gives up the contest of ingenuity, and shouldering his traps, marches off, admitting that he is not yet "up to beaver." </P>
<P><FONT face="Lucida Handwriting, Cursive"> Evidently this could be another avenue where the float stick could have been used. As from Bonneville's account, there were a lot of traps drug off and extensive searches if one did not flag them in some manner. Of course, due to Indians, markers of anything too obvious would only invite stealing trapped beaver.</FONT></P>
<P><FONT face="Comic Sans MS">You guys never would have guessed I was a Tom-boy as a child would you?</FONT></P>
<P><FONT face="Comic Sans MS">Sue Raven</FONT><BR wp="br1"><BR wp="br2"></P></DIV></div><br clear=all><hr>Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at <a href='http://go.msn.com/bql/hmtag_etl_EN.asp'>http://explorer.msn.com</a>.<br></html>
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Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2002 22:48:09 -0500
From: hawknest4@juno.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List:trapping and other stuff ! (baits)
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thanks for your input sue---
hawk--
On Sat, 09 Feb 2002 16:41:34 -0800 "SUE RAVEN"
<blond40ddqhearts@hotmail.com> writes:
>From: hawknest4@juno.com
>Reply-To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com
>To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com
>Subject: Re: MtMan-List:trapping and other stuff ! (baits)
>Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2002 15:04:45 -0500
>
>sue---
>I had to trap several areas in the ozarks that there was no way to drive
>a stake in the creek bottom or the lake bottom and what i normally did
>was tie a drag rock to the chain and place it out into the water and i
>would tie some light cord on to the rock---when the beaver would get
>cought they have a tendency to go to deep water and when they do they
>drag the rock into deeper water and thus drownd then-- when i come by
the
>set and the trap is gone i would grab the light rope and pull the beaver
>in which was attached to the trap and the drag rock I tried the tangle
>method a few times but didnt have much success with it in the area i was
>trapping---
My brother Eric told me years ago about when he hunted and ran traps
in the Blue river(eastern Arizona-south of Alpine), of how he made a
simular set. He told me of a non-target racoon that came into his set.
The rock he had xmas wrapped with double wire was setting on a ledge
under water. The racoon did not pull the heavy rock in the water.
Evidently Rocky knew of his fate if he swam for it. Eric said it was
sure funny seeing this racoon rock and wobble that rock as he approached.
I was so mad at him because he didn't bring it home alive and call me.
He said you can't domesticate grown wild animals that easy. He said the
pull out problem was so bad on coons that he usually drowed them if near
water. He said he caugh ducks, muskrat, and racoons many times on beaver
sets. This method makes good sense for a trapper on limited technology.
Besides, I do not know if a beaver would chew the rope off a rock; but
they did have wire a Fort Union prior to 1840.
I'll e-mail Eric and see if he will share his formulae for making
beaver lure or medicine as ye mountaineers say.
I'm really jealous of you guys having all the fun,
Sur Raven
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In a message dated 2/9/02 7:42:22 PM Central Standard Time, Casapy123@aol.com
writes:
> Here is the article in its entirety. It was published in The Trapline, vol.
>
> 3, #3, Spring 2000. I hope you find it helpful.
>
Thanks much.
Larry In MS
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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=2>In a message dated 2/9/02 7:42:22 PM Central Standard Time, Casapy123@aol.com writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Here is the article in its entirety. It was published in The Trapline, vol. <BR>
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Thanks much.<BR>
Larry In MS</FONT></HTML>
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Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 01:14:37 -0500
From: <traprjon@mediaone.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Beaver on the Brain!
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Hi Sue,
I was not able to open the page as I got an error message saying =
there is a problem with the URL. Perhaps you could re-check your source =
and get a corrected URL, and I would be happy to give you my 2 cents =
worth. =20
Sincerely,
John Enos
TrapRJohn
traprjon@mediaone.net=20
"The saddest epitaph which can be carved in memory of a vanished =
liberty,=20
is that it was lost because it's possessors failed to stretch forth a =
saving hand,=20
while yet there was time." -- Justice George Sutherland, 1938=20
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From: SUE RAVEN=20
To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com=20
Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2002 7:49 PM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Beaver on the Brain!
Mr. John Enos,
I would like your critique of the quality of the info on this site on =
</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">You forgot to put the article with your note.</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"><BR>
>Does any one have a good period recipe for hardtack?
God question, but for the sanity of all who have experienced this line of questioning MANY times, please check the archives. There are TONS of info. there if you jsut look. Good recipes and good advice. Good question...just that it has an answer that is easy to find and gives you quicker information.
- -C.Kent
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Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 19:25:54 -0500
From: "Double Edge Forge" <deforge1@bright.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: hardtack recipe?
Randy???
D
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From: "p monty" <pmonty83@hotmail.com>
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Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2002 6:45 PM
Subject: MtMan-List: hardtack recipe?
>
>
> Hello All,
>
> Does any one have a good period recipe for hardtack?
