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Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 22:38:49 EST
From: HikingOnThru@cs.com
Subject: MtMan-List: WAS Use of Horses-Bad News NOW I take your challenge
In a message dated 1/22/02 5:13:31 PM Eastern Standard Time,
neddins@silverstar.com writes:
<< I will give you a history lesson as to why you
can't efficiently trap these streams using a horse except to get you to the
mouth of the canyons. >>
Not every dang body trapped those streams. Not all places are like yours.
Just go pull the danged beaver out of the streams and shut up. And take me
with you!!! Lotsa Vaqueros and Soldadas were good horsemen as you claim to
be...terrible mountaineers...they, too, had a tendency to rile feathers. Let
us go and find out whether you and I are true men of the mountain or merely
mouthy vaqueros!!! So you are a good horseman...congratulations. We are
very proud of you...now take us on a ride to trap beaver!!!! In other
words..PROVE IT!!! AND (I double dog dare you) take me with you!!! I will
bet you could not throw me on a horse and ride me where I would be
miserable!!!
I accept your challenge to come out there and ride with you!!!
By the way, can I borrow a horse <VBG>!!!
- -C.Kent
PS - Shameful, the lengths a fellow has to go to in order to get invited to
ride and see some new country!!!
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Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 19:47:33 -0800
From: "SUE RAVEN" <blond40ddqhearts@hotmail.com>
Subject: MtMan-List: Ned, you are right he can't read.
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<P><FONT face="Comic Sans MS">And he said:</FONT><BR><BR>Dear Sue and Ned,(Clint Garrett?) </P></DIV>
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<P>> This is an open forum. Telling people to "shut the hell up" is rude behavior. Uncalled for, so, PLAY NICE!!!!!Don Secondine in the Ohio Country</P>
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<P><FONT face="Lucida Handwriting, Cursive">And she said:</FONT></P>
<P><FONT face="Comic Sans MS">Ned, </FONT></P>
<P><FONT face="Comic Sans MS">I do not want to be like some of my sisters on the earth or the males whom use women's e-mails, but I beleive since it is obvious he has few reading skills that you should give up discussing anything with this one. I mean Ned, I distinctly heard you say in your last post whom you were not.</FONT></P>
<P><FONT face="Comic Sans MS">and that is enough of that,</FONT></P>
<P><FONT face="Comic Sans MS">Sue Raven</FONT></P>
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Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 21:04:40 -0700
From: Todd Glover <tetontodd@juno.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Isn't that PRECIOUS?
MS. Raven,
You're WAY out of line here talking to Wynn's wife like that.
I'm sure you just bought yourself a whole passel of animosity from list
members.
You made your bed......have fun lying in it.
Todd Glover
On Tue, 22 Jan 2002 18:10:55 -0800 "SUE RAVEN"
<blond40ddqhearts@hotmail.com> writes:
> Wynn's wife Gretchen defended him by saying:
>
> "I am Wynn's wife, Gretchen, and every once in a while I glance
> through
> these messages to keep up with one of my husband's many passions. I
> have no
> documentation that proves Mountain men were honest, polite people,
> but I
> would like to believe in the comraderie and good graces that my
> husband has
> enjoyed and credits all his brothers for trying to emulate. I do
> not
> profess to understand all the issues that you are feeling defensive
> about,
> but in the off chance that perhaps you just don't know, I should
> tell you
> just how offensive and abusive you sound. I have always found it to
> be a
> poor debate when we stoop to arguing our points with sarcasm and
> superlatives. If nothing else, sir, please remember that women and
> children
> also enjoy reading this list."
>
> Isn't that precious? The big strong woman fighting her husband's
> battles.
> Ooh, . . . he must be a little itsy bitsy mounty man. In most of
> the
> rendezvous enactments my father took me to _ITCHES had the good
> sense to at
> least stay out of their world or let them beleive it was their
> world.
> Gretchen, they are grown men, coach him at home, do not SHAME him in
> print.
> I'm a ERA advocate too, but in the fur trade the males did own the
> earth,
> excluding a few matriarchal cultures.
>
> Gretchen:
> "I have no documentation that proves Mountain men were honest,
> polite
> people, but I would like to believe in the comraderie and good
> graces that
> my husband has enjoyed and credits all his brothers for trying to
> emulate."
>
> Gretchen, most of the trappers of the past were not of the high
>
> integrity you have met in the muzzle loading circle. They were by
> and large
> cuttroats and barbarians compared to their counterparts in the
> eastern
> settlements. Even Jedediah Strong Smith, the Bible believer, lied to
> the
> northwest coast British when he said 'that the American settlers
> would never
> cross the mountains.' Christian Bill Williams even ate his partner
> one
> winter. Bridger, and Sublete's brother even broke their word to
> Wyeth as
> they did not honor the verbal binding agreement with Wyeth regarding
> the
> goods he brought for the rendezvous. Based on the camps I've
> attended, most
> of the Mountain Men had they had liquor abundantly would most likely
> have
> the a simular problem with liquor as Indians and others do today.
