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hist_text-digest        Monday, January 7 2002        Volume 01 : Number 925



In this issue:

-áááááá MtMan-List: Re:a few understand, most do not care too!
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: a few understand, most do not care too!
-áááááá MtMan-List: Footwear/Saddles
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: surcingles
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: surcingles
-áááááá MtMan-List: "The Great Buffallo Shoot"
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: "The Great Buffallo Shoot"
-áááááá =?UTF-8?Q?Re:=20MtMan-List:=20"The=20Great=20Buffallo=20Shoot"?=
-áááááá Re: =?UTF-8?Q?Re:=20MtMan-List:=20"The=20Great=20Buffallo=20Shoot"?=
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: "The Great Buffallo Shoot"
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: "The Great Buffallo Shoot"
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: restoring lanolin to wool
-áááááá Fw: MtMan-List: restoring lanolin to wool

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Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2002 16:27:16 -0700
From: "Gretchen Ormond" <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: Re:a few understand, most do not care too!

Paul W Jones wrote:

>
>
> Some say he is from Dillon, Mt.  I have been told that his last name is or
> might be Soule, but that is still subject to some further digging.

Of all the lies I have heard he/she/it claim to, being from Montana has got to
be at the top of the list.  Surely the good men in Montana would never allow
for  such bad manners.  I believe any man who spoke as badly of those men's
wives and mothers as he has of ours would not be capable of typing would he?

It would be a pleasure to get on the ground with him.

Wynn Ormond

Sorry I will go back to ingoring him.


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Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2002 17:55:41 -0600
From: Todd <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: a few understand, most do not care too!

Same here.   This guy's a typical troll.  They thrive on the "attention"
they get from their annoying posts.   I just added him to my auto-delete
rules, and I won't have ot worry about him.

Todd
Missouri Territory


At 12:58 PM 1/6/02 -0500, you wrote:
>PErsonally, I am going to block him from my email server... then I don't
>have to even use the DELETE key...
>
>Ad Miller
>Alderson, WV
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Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2002 17:38:13 -0700
From: Allen Hall <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: Footwear/Saddles

At 10:12 AM 1/6/2002 -0700, you wrote:
>Frank,
>
>One of our AMM list members makes some excellent boots. These vendors
usually do not market their own products on the discussion groups, so we
will do it for them. I hope Bob doesn't mind, but try contacting Bob
Schmidt:  [e-mail], he may be able to help you out.
>
>Bead Shooter

I'd also like to add that Bob makes some very fine saddles that are period
correct and comfortable to ride.

Allen


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Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 18:15:09 -0700
From: "Thomas Ballstaedt" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: surcingles

Ole;
 those dimensions you gave for a surcingle sound alot like a horse hair
cinch.  to bad you sold it.   those are pricey to get a hold of.
Tom
- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Ole B. Jensen" <[e-mail]>
To: <[e-mail]>
Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2002 9:29 AM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: surcingles


> Clay/Tom
> I sold a surcingle made of Horse Hair about 5 years ago. I figured it was
> cavelry in oregin made around the 1870's about 28" lond with 5" iron rings
> in both ends.
> YMOS
> Ole # 718
> ----------
> >From: "Clay J. Landry" <[e-mail]>
> >To: <[e-mail]>
> >Subject: Re: MtMan-List: surcingles
> >Date: Sun, Jan 6, 2002, 8:58 AM
> >
>
> >Tom
> >
> >Cotton or hemp webbing would be period materials--based on what I have
seen
> >in the Grimsley ledgers. I have also encountered some Indian wars cavalry
> >re-enactors using a surcingle made from webbing with-just as you
described-
> >a roller buckle, leather billet that tapered down to 2 inches to fit
through
> >the roller buckle. The buckle was also attached via a leather strap.
Their
> >webbing was 4 inch cotton duck and dyed blue. Evidently there are
purveyors
> >of period Indian wars cavalry tack that sell this item.
> >
> >Clay Landry
> >Moorhead MT
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: Thomas Ballstaedt <[e-mail]>
> >To: <[e-mail]>
> >Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2002 12:10 AM
> >Subject: Re: MtMan-List: surcingles
> >
> >
> >> webbing sounds like a damn good idea for a surcingle.  Its cheaper,
less
> >> bulky and would likely breath a lot better.  mine is made out of
leather
> >and
> >> is pretty near 7' or 8' long, and it used to slip back of the girth and
> >gall
> >> the horses belly till I put a little loop on the bottom of my cinch.  I
> >> could see a nice strip of cotton webbing with a roller buckle and 2
> >leather
> >> billets neatly stitched to the ends.  I believe I'm going to have a go
at
> >> one, thanks Clay!  for mentioning that.
> >> Tom
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Clay J. Landry" <[e-mail]>
> >> To: <[e-mail]>
> >> Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2002 12:20 PM
> >> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: surcingles
> >>
> >>
> >> > Jerry
> >> >
> >> > A surcingle  (spelled numerous ways in the trade ledgers of the Rocky
> >> > Mountain fur trade) was a large belt 3 to 4 inches wide-Grimsley made
> >them
> >> > from webbing or leather- that was strapped around the saddle and the
> >> > horse/mule to further secure the saddle. They passed trhough the
saddle
> >> seat
> >> > and around the grith of the horse/mule. Based on the drawings and art
> >work
> >> > of Alfred Jacob Miller the mountaineers used a surcingle to hold the
> >> > ephismore -a piece of buffalo robe used to cover the saddle-in place.
If
> >> you
> >> > study the military horse equipment books done by Randy Steffen you
will
> >> see
> >> > that a surcingle was used over the military saddles from the early
> >> dragoons
> >> > clear into late Indian wars period.
> >> >
> >> > Clay Landry
> >> > Moorhead MT
> >> > ----- Original Message -----
> >> > From: Jerry & Barbara Zaslow <[e-mail]>
> >> > To: <[e-mail]>
> >> > Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 11:43 PM
> >> > Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Center Fire Saddles
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > > Clay,
> >> > >
> >> > > Good to hear from you.  As far as the Jed Smith reference, Tom
Nichols
> >> > made
> >> > > my saddle.  He is a Brother here in California and that is what he
> >told
> >> > me.
> >> > > I should see him in March at the Mission Doings and will
specifically
> >> ask
> >> > > him for the reference at that time.  I know it is not in his
Journal,
> >> "The
> >> > > Southwest Expedition of Jedediah S. Smith, His Personal Account of
the
> >> > > Journey to California, 1826-1827" or I missed it when I read it.
> >> > >
> >> > > As far as the sircingle, I have never used one because although I
> >recall
> >> > > hearing the term, I can't remember where I saw it and don't
remember
> >> > exactly
> >> > > what it is.  Is it a type of breast collar or something different?
> >> > Actually
> >> > > after getting used to my saddle (about 4 years ago) I have not had
any
> >> > > problem with it slipping anymore.  That was more when I first
started
> >> > riding
> >> > > it.  I also use a couple of blankets and that seems to have fixed
the
> >> > > problem with slipping.  Tell me more about the sircingle, though.
> >> > >
> >> > > Thanks and Best Regards,
> >> > >
> >> > > Jerry Zaslow #1488
> >> > >
> >> >
> >>
>
>___________________________________________________________________________
_
> >> > ____
> >> > >
> >> > > At 09:41 PM 01/03/2002 -0700, you wrote:
> >> > > >Jerry
> >> > > >
> >> > > >Have you ever tried to stabilize that center fire saddle with a
> >> > sircingle? A
> >> > > >sircingle was a very common item as it appears is just about all
of
> >the
> >> > > >inventories and trade goods lists that I have studied --- I wonder
if
> >> > this
> >> > > >extra strap helped hold those light center fire saddles in
position.
> >> > > >
> >> > > >Can you direct me to the source of the "description of a saddle
Jed
> >> Smith
> >> > > >acquired in California in 1826 or 27" ?? I am always looking for
> >first
> >> > > >person descriptions of fur trade saddles.
> >> > > >
> >> > > >Clay Landry
> >> > > >Moorhead MT
> >> > > >----- Original Message -----
> >> > > >From: Jerry & Barbara Zaslow <[e-mail]>
> >> > > >To: <[e-mail]>
> >> > > >Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2002 11:19 PM
> >> > > >Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Center Fire Saddles
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > >> Dog,
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >> I ride a reproduction 1826 Gourd Horn Mexican Saddle.  It is 3/4
> >> rigged
> >> > > >and
> >> > > >> was built based on a description of a saddle Jed Smith acquired
in
> >> > > >> California in 1826 or 27.  It would slip all over the place if I
> >> didn't
> >> > > >use
> >> > > >> an old style breast collar since it has no sheep skin
underneath.
> >> All
> >> > of
> >> > > >my
> >> > > >> gear is period correct with the exception of the breast collar.
I
> >> > doubt
> >> > > >> that it is but I will still use it anyway because it has kept
the
> >> > saddle
> >> > > >> from slipping back to my horse's ass on many occasions.  I ride
in
> >> some
> >> > > >> really hilly country and it is a necessity.  In the end, though,
> >all
> >> > the
> >> > > >> breast collars in the world won't really matter if you don't
have a
> >> > good
> >> > > >seat.
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >> Best Regards,
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >> Jerry Zaslow #1488
> >> > > >>
> >> > >
> >> >
> >>
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Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2002 19:39:38 -0700
From: "Ole B. Jensen" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: surcingles

Tom,
There use to be a lady in SLC that would make them if you gave her a horse
hair rope for material.
Ole
- ----------
>From: "Thomas Ballstaedt" <[e-mail]>
>To: <[e-mail]>
>Subject: Re: MtMan-List: surcingles
>Date: Sun, Jan 6, 2002, 6:15 PM
>

>Ole;
> those dimensions you gave for a surcingle sound alot like a horse hair
>cinch.  to bad you sold it.   those are pricey to get a hold of.
>Tom
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Ole B. Jensen" <[e-mail]>
>To: <[e-mail]>
>Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2002 9:29 AM
>Subject: Re: MtMan-List: surcingles
>
>
>> Clay/Tom
>> I sold a surcingle made of Horse Hair about 5 years ago. I figured it was
>> cavelry in oregin made around the 1870's about 28" lond with 5" iron rings
>> in both ends.
>> YMOS
>> Ole # 718
>> ----------
>> >From: "Clay J. Landry" <[e-mail]>
>> >To: <[e-mail]>
>> >Subject: Re: MtMan-List: surcingles
>> >Date: Sun, Jan 6, 2002, 8:58 AM
>> >
>>
>> >Tom
>> >
>> >Cotton or hemp webbing would be period materials--based on what I have
>seen
>> >in the Grimsley ledgers. I have also encountered some Indian wars cavalry
>> >re-enactors using a surcingle made from webbing with-just as you
>described-
>> >a roller buckle, leather billet that tapered down to 2 inches to fit
>through
>> >the roller buckle. The buckle was also attached via a leather strap.
>Their
>> >webbing was 4 inch cotton duck and dyed blue. Evidently there are
>purveyors
>> >of period Indian wars cavalry tack that sell this item.
>> >
>> >Clay Landry
>> >Moorhead MT
>> >----- Original Message -----
>> >From: Thomas Ballstaedt <[e-mail]>
>> >To: <[e-mail]>
>> >Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2002 12:10 AM
>> >Subject: Re: MtMan-List: surcingles
>> >
>> >
>> >> webbing sounds like a damn good idea for a surcingle.  Its cheaper,
>less
>> >> bulky and would likely breath a lot better.  mine is made out of
>leather
>> >and
>> >> is pretty near 7' or 8' long, and it used to slip back of the girth and
>> >gall
>> >> the horses belly till I put a little loop on the bottom of my cinch.  I
>> >> could see a nice strip of cotton webbing with a roller buckle and 2
>> >leather
>> >> billets neatly stitched to the ends.  I believe I'm going to have a go
>at
>> >> one, thanks Clay!  for mentioning that.
>> >> Tom
>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>> >> From: "Clay J. Landry" <[e-mail]>
>> >> To: <[e-mail]>
>> >> Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2002 12:20 PM
>> >> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: surcingles
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> > Jerry
>> >> >
>> >> > A surcingle  (spelled numerous ways in the trade ledgers of the Rocky
>> >> > Mountain fur trade) was a large belt 3 to 4 inches wide-Grimsley made
>> >them
>> >> > from webbing or leather- that was strapped around the saddle and the
>> >> > horse/mule to further secure the saddle. They passed trhough the
>saddle
>> >> seat
>> >> > and around the grith of the horse/mule. Based on the drawings and art
>> >work
>> >> > of Alfred Jacob Miller the mountaineers used a surcingle to hold the
>> >> > ephismore -a piece of buffalo robe used to cover the saddle-in place.
>If
>> >> you
>> >> > study the military horse equipment books done by Randy Steffen you
>will
>> >> see
>> >> > that a surcingle was used over the military saddles from the early
>> >> dragoons
>> >> > clear into late Indian wars period.
>> >> >
>> >> > Clay Landry
>> >> > Moorhead MT
>> >> > ----- Original Message -----
>> >> > From: Jerry & Barbara Zaslow <[e-mail]>
>> >> > To: <[e-mail]>
>> >> > Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 11:43 PM
>> >> > Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Center Fire Saddles
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > > Clay,
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Good to hear from you.  As far as the Jed Smith reference, Tom
>Nichols
>> >> > made
>> >> > > my saddle.  He is a Brother here in California and that is what he
>> >told
>> >> > me.
>> >> > > I should see him in March at the Mission Doings and will
>specifically
>> >> ask
>> >> > > him for the reference at that time.  I know it is not in his
>Journal,
>> >> "The
>> >> > > Southwest Expedition of Jedediah S. Smith, His Personal Account of
>the
>> >> > > Journey to California, 1826-1827" or I missed it when I read it.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > As far as the sircingle, I have never used one because although I
>> >recall
>> >> > > hearing the term, I can't remember where I saw it and don't
>remember
>> >> > exactly
>> >> > > what it is.  Is it a type of breast collar or something different?
>> >> > Actually
>> >> > > after getting used to my saddle (about 4 years ago) I have not had
>any
>> >> > > problem with it slipping anymore.  That was more when I first
>started
>> >> > riding
>> >> > > it.  I also use a couple of blankets and that seems to have fixed
>the
>> >> > > problem with slipping.  Tell me more about the sircingle, though.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Thanks and Best Regards,
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Jerry Zaslow #1488
>> >> > >
>> >> >
>> >>
>>
>>___________________________________________________________________________
>_
>> >> > ____
>> >> > >
>> >> > > At 09:41 PM 01/03/2002 -0700, you wrote:
>> >> > > >Jerry
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > >Have you ever tried to stabilize that center fire saddle with a
>> >> > sircingle? A
>> >> > > >sircingle was a very common item as it appears is just about all
>of
>> >the
>> >> > > >inventories and trade goods lists that I have studied --- I wonder
>if
>> >> > this
>> >> > > >extra strap helped hold those light center fire saddles in
>position.
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > >Can you direct me to the source of the "description of a saddle
>Jed
>> >> Smith
>> >> > > >acquired in California in 1826 or 27" ?? I am always looking for
>> >first
>> >> > > >person descriptions of fur trade saddles.
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > >Clay Landry
>> >> > > >Moorhead MT
>> >> > > >----- Original Message -----
>> >> > > >From: Jerry & Barbara Zaslow <[e-mail]>
>> >> > > >To: <[e-mail]>
>> >> > > >Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2002 11:19 PM
>> >> > > >Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Center Fire Saddles
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > >> Dog,
>> >> > > >>
>> >> > > >> I ride a reproduction 1826 Gourd Horn Mexican Saddle.  It is 3/4
>> >> rigged
>> >> > > >and
>> >> > > >> was built based on a description of a saddle Jed Smith acquired
>in
>> >> > > >> California in 1826 or 27.  It would slip all over the place if I
>> >> didn't
>> >> > > >use
>> >> > > >> an old style breast collar since it has no sheep skin
>underneath.
>> >> All
>> >> > of
>> >> > > >my
>> >> > > >> gear is period correct with the exception of the breast collar.
>I
>> >> > doubt
>> >> > > >> that it is but I will still use it anyway because it has kept
>the
>> >> > saddle
>> >> > > >> from slipping back to my horse's ass on many occasions.  I ride
>in
>> >> some
>> >> > > >> really hilly country and it is a necessity.  In the end, though,
>> >all
>> >> > the
>> >> > > >> breast collars in the world won't really matter if you don't
>have a
>> >> > good
>> >> > > >seat.
>> >> > > >>
>> >> > > >> Best Regards,
>> >> > > >>
>> >> > > >> Jerry Zaslow #1488
>> >> > > >>
>> >> > >
>> >> >
>> >>
>>
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Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 22:05:30 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: MtMan-List: "The Great Buffallo Shoot"

Klahowya boys,

Figuring the baby Blacktail wouldn't feed my tribe fer a week, let alone a
winter, Kamosuk Poo (Gene Hickman) and I hooked up a bit North of the
National Bison Range in Montana, and shot a couple bulls with our muzzle
loaders. Mine was about a 700lb yearling that went under with one .62cal
round ball to the heart, from my Tulle , and Genes fell with two, double lung
shots, from his 1803 Harpers Ferry!

The jpg of my critter is a bit large, but I will reduce the size when I have
more time. I've got to flesh and salt the hide in the morning, and then it's
off to Wes Housler to have it brain tanned.....it'll make a beautiful robe.

More details of the "Great Buffalo Shoot" are to follow....
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<A HREF="http://members.aol.com/swcushing/bpbuff.jpg">bpbuff.jpg</A>
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Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 20:40:00 -0800
From: "rtlahti" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: "The Great Buffallo Shoot"

Magpie,

Congratulations. I knew if you kept shooting you'd hit something big. <G>
BTW, I could open the second link fine but the first one just won't open.

Capt. Lahti'


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From: <[e-mail]>
To: <[e-mail]>; <[e-mail]>
Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2002 7:05 PM
Subject: MtMan-List: "The Great Buffallo Shoot"


> Klahowya boys,
>
> Figuring the baby Blacktail wouldn't feed my tribe fer a week, let alone a
> winter, Kamosuk Poo (Gene Hickman) and I hooked up a bit North of the
> National Bison Range in Montana, and shot a couple bulls with our muzzle
> loaders. Mine was about a 700lb yearling that went under with one .62cal
> round ball to the heart, from my Tulle , and Genes fell with two, double
lung
> shots, from his 1803 Harpers Ferry!
>
> The jpg of my critter is a bit large, but I will reduce the size when I
have
> more time. I've got to flesh and salt the hide in the morning, and then
it's
> off to Wes Housler to have it brain tanned.....it'll make a beautiful
robe.
>
> More details of the "Great Buffalo Shoot" are to follow....
> Magpie
>
> <A HREF="http://members.aol.com/swcushing/bpbuff.jpg">bpbuff.jpg</A>
> http://members.aol.com/swcushing/bpbuff.jpg
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Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 00:00:17 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: =?UTF-8?Q?Re:=20MtMan-List:=20"The=20Great=20Buffallo=20Shoot"?=

In a message dated 1/6/02 8:32:44 PM, [e-mail] writes:

<< Congratulations. I knew if you kept shooting you'd hit something big. <G>

BTW, I could open the second link fine but the first one just won't open.


Capt. Lahti'

 >>

Thanks Capt.....<G>  The heart on them critters are a pretty big target, eve=
n=20
at 30 yards, off a knee.=20

Interesting the first "hypertext" wouldn't work for you. It should have come=
=20
up as a blue text, that I get by dragging the "favorite places icon" on to=20
the email.....then just double click, and the page comes up....works for som=
e.

You boys gonna camp over here for the Gresham show? Think I might have a hum=
p=20
steak or two around... actually 3-4 hundred pounds of prime buffalo.

Magpie

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Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 22:14:50 -0700
From: Todd Glover <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: =?UTF-8?Q?Re:=20MtMan-List:=20"The=20Great=20Buffallo=20Shoot"?=

Steve,

Sure would like a bit o' buff jerk at the National in May to celebrate!

Teton

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Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 08:49:27 -0800
From: "rtlahti" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: "The Great Buffallo Shoot"

Thanks Capt.....<G>  The heart on them critters are a pretty big target,
even
at 30 yards, off a knee.

Magpie,

You done fin son. I knew that sneak'in stuff I taught you would work out
some day. Got mighty close for that fine shot.

I'm not sure but I think it's the " marks and such that mess it up for me.
If I clear them and some other punctuation marks away then I can open it but
it is the same picture as the first.

Our plan for now is to come to  your place Friday night like last year.
Clawpapa has pretty much made up his mind to come, I think Kevan Bowen is
coming and probably Duncanson but I haven't heard from anyone else and Taos
hasn't made a firm commitment yet. I got to come to the show for no other
reason than Ric Tabor is bringing me a big sheet of copper to play with.

Nuff of this on line, we'll make our plans off line cause I got to send you
our Mid Winter Report so's you know what we plan for the year.

Capt. Lahti'



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Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 12:17:10 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: "The Great Buffallo Shoot"

In a message dated 1/6/02 10:07:21 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[e-mail] writes:

<< Mine was about a 700lb yearling that went under with one .62cal
 round ball to the heart, from my Tulle  >>

Congratulations to you and GENE.  Makes me feel all the better about deciding
on a Tulle in the same caliber as you have (may I ask where you got yours?)

Also,  GENE!!!  It would've only taken ONE Atl-atl dart!!!  I hear those
cane/bamboo darts fly pretty well!!! <BG>  Course, you got to lull them into
a sleep with a bamboo flute!
Congrats on the buff kills!!!

C. Kent

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Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2002 12:35:57 -0600
From: jdearing <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: restoring lanolin to wool

At 10:12 AM 12/26/01 -0800, you wrote:

>--->     <The blankets used by these travellers of the
> > > wilderness are of a peculiar kind, very thick and
> > > almost impervious to water>
>
>
>    >in a conversation the other day with a member of
> >our brigade, it came up that the wool blankets of that
> >time had lanolin rich in there fibers.  something
> >pretty much removed in modern processing.  this he
> >said included the huds bay and whitney.  he aluded to
> >that one can add back the lanolin to bring back the
> >watersheding effect.  how one would do this i do not
> >know at the moment.


Sorry it took so long to respond, as I have been away for too long.

I received this e-mail a while back with the information on
reconditioning wool blankets. Be aware that I have not tried this,
but it should work. The instructions are as follows;

I have had success restoring lanolin to my woolen articles.
At a health food outlet, I purchased some liquid castille soap (a pure non
detergent type of soap made from vegetable oil), and some liquid lanolin.
(They also had a paste form of lanolin, which I have also tried, with
success.)

I don't remember the exact formula which I used, but it was part HOT water,
part lanolin, in a quart jar, covered. Shake. This warms up the lanolin and
makes it thinner (it was pretty thick). Then I added a portion of the castille
soap. Shake. By now it was a frothy mixture like a thin milk shake.

Pour mixture into washing machine filled with warm water. Stir around.
Add woolen articles. Wash on GENTLE cycle. Lay out cleaned and lanolin
restored woolen articles on towels to dry. Worked great!

If anyone does decide to try this out, let everyone know how it works.
J.D.






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Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 20:39:44 -0600
From: "Lanney Ratcliff" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Fw: MtMan-List: restoring lanolin to wool

Ho the list,
In his great book "Camping and Woodcraft" Horace Kephart addressed the
process of restoring lanolin to wool....both in clothes and in blankets.  He
used anhydrous lanolin (as opposed to cosmetic lanolin which has a higher
water content) which he dissolved in benzene or gasoline.  Benzene is no
longer available since it is a rather vigorous carcinogen,  but gasoline is
still available...at least in Texas.   For a hot, rainy climate he used 4
ounces of lanolin to a gallon of gasoline, for average conditions in the
temperate zone he used 3 ounces of lanolin, for cold climates or winter use
exclusively he used 2 ounces to the gallon (stating that cold has a tendency
to stiffen cloth that had been treated with a strong solution)  He goes on
to state that 3 ounces per gallon is best for blankets.  To use "simply make
a solution of anhydrous lanolin in benzene or gasoline, soak the garment in
it about three minutes, wring out gently, stretch to shape, and hang up to
dry, shifting position of garment frequently, until nearly dry, so that the
lanolin will be evenly distributed"
Kephart was a master camper and I have used many of his tips to good
advantage.  However, this little trick has a vast potential for disaster so
if you decide to try it BE CAREFUL.  Furthermore, I would strongly suggest
that you not do this at all if She Who Must Be Obeyed has even a remote
chance of hearing about it.  You would enter family lore in the most
permanent way imaginable.
good luck
Lanney Ratcliff
ps:  No Smoking

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From: "jdearing" <[e-mail]>
To: <[e-mail]>
Sent: Monday, January 07, 2002 12:35 PM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: restoring lanolin to wool


> At 10:12 AM 12/26/01 -0800, you wrote:
>
> >--->     <The blankets used by these travellers of the
> > > > wilderness are of a peculiar kind, very thick and
> > > > almost impervious to water>
> >
> >
> >    >in a conversation the other day with a member of
> > >our brigade, it came up that the wool blankets of that
> > >time had lanolin rich in there fibers.  something
> > >pretty much removed in modern processing.  this he
> > >said included the huds bay and whitney.  he aluded to
> > >that one can add back the lanolin to bring back the
> > >watersheding effect.  how one would do this i do not
> > >know at the moment.
>
>
> Sorry it took so long to respond, as I have been away for too long.
>
> I received this e-mail a while back with the information on
> reconditioning wool blankets. Be aware that I have not tried this,
> but it should work. The instructions are as follows;
>
> I have had success restoring lanolin to my woolen articles.
> At a health food outlet, I purchased some liquid castille soap (a pure non
> detergent type of soap made from vegetable oil), and some liquid lanolin.
> (They also had a paste form of lanolin, which I have also tried, with
> success.)
>
> I don't remember the exact formula which I used, but it was part HOT
water,
> part lanolin, in a quart jar, covered. Shake. This warms up the lanolin
and
> makes it thinner (it was pretty thick). Then I added a portion of the
castille
> soap. Shake. By now it was a frothy mixture like a thin milk shake.
>
> Pour mixture into washing machine filled with warm water. Stir around.
> Add woolen articles. Wash on GENTLE cycle. Lay out cleaned and lanolin
> restored woolen articles on towels to dry. Worked great!
>
> If anyone does decide to try this out, let everyone know how it works.
> J.D.
>
>
>
>
>
>
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