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hist_text-digest     Wednesday, December 19 2001     Volume 01 : Number 907



In this issue:

-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Canvas
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Canvas
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: AGE, DAMP PREVENTION, AND WHAT THEY DID.
-áááááá Re: Fw: MtMan-List: L.S Vol 5/oil cloth- Nv. muzzleloader article
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Canvas
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Canvas
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Re: Buffalo kill........
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Re: Buffalo kill........
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Re: Buffalo kill........
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Re: Buffalo kill........
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Canvas
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Re: Buffalo kill........
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Re: Buffalo kill........
-áááááá MtMan-List: Book
-áááááá MtMan-List: Hello from Oregon
-áááááá MtMan-List: The fats in the fire
-áááááá Fw: MtMan-List: The fats in the fire
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: The fats in the fire
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: The fats in the fire
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Hello from Oregon
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Re: Buffalo kill........
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Re: Buffalo kill........
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Canvas
-áááááá Re: Fw: MtMan-List: L.S Vol 5/oil cloth- Nv. muzzleloader article
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Canvas

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Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 10:56:55 -0700
From: "BARRY CONNER" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Canvas

He" Charlie,

I think we have all experienced many "tomorrow's" in this line of research,
I've had some of the best garage sales of wrong equipage for my persona.
When we stop learning/researching, it probably is time to nail the lid down.

Take care,
Buck Conner
"Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty"  Thomas Jefferson 1771

- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Charlie Webb" <[e-mail]>
To: <[e-mail]>
Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2001 10:10 AM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Canvas


> Buck,
> Very well stated, I wish I had a nickle for every time
> I thought I had everything right/correct then tomorrow
> came when additional RESEARCH  pointed out the
> errors in my thinking.  We must keep an open mind,
> and simply keep digging.  I will not live long enough
> to learn all the answers, but I am sure going to work
> at it while I can.
>
> Respectfully,
> Charlie Webb
> AKA Old Coyote



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Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 10:43:57 -0800
From: "rtlahti" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Canvas

Ole,

You mean to say we think alike? Now that's a scary thought! Must be the Dane
in us. <G>

Roger Paul (for Paulsen) Lahti
#1719


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From: "Ole B. Jensen" <[e-mail]>
To: <[e-mail]>
Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2001 6:41 AM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Canvas


> Capt,
> You said what I was thinking. You are right on the money.
> YMOS
> Ole # 718



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Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 15:33:15 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: AGE, DAMP PREVENTION, AND WHAT THEY DID.

Brothers. I think we have men in the AMM that are as tough as
           any that lived back then.

                                              Your Bro
                                          Two Bear



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Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 15:39:51 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Fw: MtMan-List: L.S Vol 5/oil cloth- Nv. muzzleloader article

Brothers.
                   ask Walt Grizz Hayward what he thinks of
                   the word Buckskinner.
                                             Two Bear

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Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 15:54:55 -0800
From: "larry pendleton" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Canvas

I've had some of the best garage sales of wrong equipage for my persona.
When we stop learning/researching, it probably is time to nail the lid down.

Take care,
Buck Conner


>>That Brother Conner, is for damn certain !
Pendleton
" Freedom has a flavor, the protected will never know . "


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Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 18:03:33 -0500
From: "Addison Miller" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Canvas

Buck (and List)... I think the majority of us have done that.  I'm right
there with you.  I have had some great sales of items at varios Vous and on
line of "stuff" that was wrong... enamel ware, clothing, you name it.  One
of the reasons I included a "READ THIS BEFORE YOU GET STARTED" page on my
web site. Bought a few good things along the way too from others who either
switched periods/personnas, or had stuff from the wrong period, but it fit
into mine...

What I love is the "Wannabe's" that come to flatlander days all decked out
in blue jeans, cowboy hats, western shirts, knee mocs, HUGE belt buckles
(maybe they are making up for something smaller?), etc...

Ad


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Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 12:57:04 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: Buffalo kill........

In a message dated 12/16/01 8:35:07 AM, [e-mail] writes:

<< Better to have many guns than to have to use many shovels, I reckon. >>

I had a chance to shoot a Buffalo (and Polar Bear too) years ago in Alaska
and for some reason, I never did. About the biggest critter I've shot wid a
50cal flinter, was a cow moose, and that took three well placed shot to put
her down. (onlyest had one gun, so there was some fancy reloadin
involved...<G>)

Good to hear a 62cal Trade Gun can do the job Buck. I've been hunting elk
this Fall with a Tulle, and feel it's more than enough with a good shot, and
probably better than the 50cal.....we'll see.

Anyone know of a good ranch/area to shoot a Buffalo....reasonable? There use
to be a place just East of the Deschutes (Oregun) but I believe the bunny
huggers had it shut down...

Ymos,
Magpie


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Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 17:10:31 -0700
From: "Gene Hickman" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: Buffalo kill........

The Turner Ranch here in Montana. A friend just got back this week. He
bought a 10-12 year old cow for $650. They let him shoot a 2 1/2 year old
cow instead. They gutted it and loaded it on his truck for him. He keeps
everything. He's already got the hide at the tannery and the skull being
cleaned. Wanted me to come help him butcher today.

Bead Shooter AKA Ghosting Wolf

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From: <[e-mail]>
To: <[e-mail]>
Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2001 10:57 AM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: Buffalo kill........


>
> In a message dated 12/16/01 8:35:07 AM, [e-mail] writes:
>
> << Better to have many guns than to have to use many shovels, I reckon. >>
>
> I had a chance to shoot a Buffalo (and Polar Bear too) years ago in Alaska
> and for some reason, I never did. About the biggest critter I've shot wid
a
> 50cal flinter, was a cow moose, and that took three well placed shot to
put
> her down. (onlyest had one gun, so there was some fancy reloadin
> involved...<G>)
>
> Good to hear a 62cal Trade Gun can do the job Buck. I've been hunting elk
> this Fall with a Tulle, and feel it's more than enough with a good shot,
and
> probably better than the 50cal.....we'll see.
>
> Anyone know of a good ranch/area to shoot a Buffalo....reasonable? There
use
> to be a place just East of the Deschutes (Oregun) but I believe the bunny
> huggers had it shut down...
>
> Ymos,
> Magpie
>
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Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 19:43:46 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: Buffalo kill........

In a message dated 12/18/01 4:11:20 PM, [e-mail] writes:

<< The Turner Ranch here in Montana. A friend just got back this week. He

bought a 10-12 year old cow for $650. They let him shoot a 2 1/2 year old

cow instead. They gutted it and loaded it on his truck for him. He keeps

everything. >>

Ya know Bead.....that might be kinda fun to do this spring while the hair is
still long. You up for getting help if I get run over? ....<G>

Magpie

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Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 17:57:50 -0700
From: "Gene Hickman" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: Buffalo kill........

I'm ready anytime. I'll get the phone number and details.

Bead Shooter

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From: <[e-mail]>
Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2001 5:43 PM
>
> Ya know Bead.....that might be kinda fun to do this spring while the hair
is
> still long. You up for getting help if I get run over? ....<G>
>
> Magpie



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Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 18:02:24 -0700
From: "BARRY CONNER" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Canvas

Ad,

Send me your trade blanket site again, thanks.

Take care,
Buck Conner
"Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty"  Thomas Jefferson 1771

- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Addison Miller" <[e-mail]>
To: <[e-mail]>
Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2001 4:03 PM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Canvas


> Buck (and List)... I think the majority of us have done that.  I'm right
> there with you.  I have had some great sales of items at varios Vous and
on
> line of "stuff" that was wrong... enamel ware, clothing, you name it.  One
> of the reasons I included a "READ THIS BEFORE YOU GET STARTED" page on my
> web site. Bought a few good things along the way too from others who
either
> switched periods/personnas, or had stuff from the wrong period, but it fit
> into mine...
>
> What I love is the "Wannabe's" that come to flatlander days all decked out
> in blue jeans, cowboy hats, western shirts, knee mocs, HUGE belt buckles
> (maybe they are making up for something smaller?), etc...
>
> Ad
>
>
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Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 20:02:45 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: Buffalo kill........

In a message dated 12/18/01 4:58:38 PM, [e-mail] writes:

<< I'm ready anytime. I'll get the phone number and details.

 >>

Woooooohooooo.... I'm loadin me Tulle right now! My wife don't know it, but I
think she just bought me a buffalo for Christmas... Let's go off line to work
out the details.

Magpie

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Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 18:15:51 -0700
From: "BARRY CONNER" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: Buffalo kill........

Magpie,

Try Wilber Williams in Wallace KS (about 65 miles south of Goodland), has
like 23 sections that the critters are roaming on and he puts together a
good time, you'll have to call the operator to get a phone number and Wilber
can fill you in.  Have taken Jack Garner, Glen Jones, Freddie Harris for
southern boys there, Ol' "Brass Turtle" got his 1st buffalo here with a
Tulle, Kim Sherman, Houseworth and many of the old traders hang out here
from time to time.  So when you go there maybe several other groups doing
the same thing, "huntin' buff".

This area was where the railroad brought the folks from back east to kill
off the herds at the end of the century, Smokey Hill range. Wilber has
several "stands" on his place from those days, found a couple of rimfire
Henry cases at one old dump along with lead soldered tin cans, cool stuff.
The most I have seen where 8 animals going down the same day, brother what a
time we had that night sitting around the campfire swapping tales of the
days events with each other.

Take care,
Buck Conner
"Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty"  Thomas Jefferson 1771

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From: <[e-mail]>
To: <[e-mail]>
Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2001 10:57 AM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: Buffalo kill........


>
> In a message dated 12/16/01 8:35:07 AM, [e-mail] writes:
>
> << Better to have many guns than to have to use many shovels, I reckon. >>
>
> I had a chance to shoot a Buffalo (and Polar Bear too) years ago in Alaska
> and for some reason, I never did. About the biggest critter I've shot wid
a
> 50cal flinter, was a cow moose, and that took three well placed shot to
put
> her down. (onlyest had one gun, so there was some fancy reloadin
> involved...<G>)
>
> Good to hear a 62cal Trade Gun can do the job Buck. I've been hunting elk
> this Fall with a Tulle, and feel it's more than enough with a good shot,
and
> probably better than the 50cal.....we'll see.
>
> Anyone know of a good ranch/area to shoot a Buffalo....reasonable? There
use
> to be a place just East of the Deschutes (Oregun) but I believe the bunny
> huggers had it shut down...
>
> Ymos,
> Magpie
>
>
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Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 19:23:30 -0700
From: "Gretchen Ormond" <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: Book

Mike I am interested in your findings as well.  Keep us informed.

Wynn Ormond



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Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 19:42:20 -0700
From: "Gretchen Ormond" <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: Hello from Oregon

Rick Guglielmi wrote:

 I have been monitoring the MtMan list for about
a month now and thought it was time I introduce myself and get
involved. . . . .One question I would like to start off with concerns
the way horses and
mules were packed during the 1800-50 period.  I have recently read
several
articles on the type of pack saddles, wether they were double or single
rigged,had a breast collar, etc.  I have also seen in different
publications pictures and drawings of both sawbuck style saddles and
what
is called an aparejo packsaddle.  What I have not seen i show these
saddles
were actually packed.  Was pack bags used on the saw buck or did they
sling
load gear similar to the method used on a decker saddle.  What about the

Aparejo-I have packed alot of mules and horses outfitted with sawbucks
but
have no idea on the way a aparejo works.


Welcome Rick.  I have already spent to much time away from the family
today so I will keep this short and perhaps gab a bit more about it come
the week end.

Ruxton used and describes the aparejo quite well.  IÆll try to get the
referances later.  I believe that some trappers who learned the art from
the Spaniards would likewise have used them.  I never have but I really
question all the glowing reports I have read about them.

Miller has some depictions of loaded animals.  As to bags or slings my
guess is all of the above.  Ruxton mentions waterproof bags and Ferris
refers to wrapping packs in leather.  I would think they would have had
to sling the beaver packs to transport them.

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Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 19:46:50 -0700
From: "Gretchen Ormond" <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: The fats in the fire

Has anyone ever deep fried in a tin boiler over a fire?  Can it be done
without too much trouble?   I would like to inflict some brothers with
one of my cooking experiments at a upcoming camp.

Wynn Ormond


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Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 21:05:48 -0600
From: "Lanney Ratcliff" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Fw: MtMan-List: The fats in the fire

Wynn
When I think about doing that I go lay down until the notion passes.
Seriously, I  wouldn't do it in a tin boiler (for the obvious risk factors)
unless it were a really heavy tin boiler that was VERY well supported.  A
cast iron Dutch oven with good long legs would be my first choice.  But,
it's your choice.  Tread softly and good luck.
Just exactly what are your going to deep fry to impress your brothers??  You
know, so we can carve it on your tombstone.
Half kidding
Lanney


Subject: MtMan-List: The fats in the fire


> Has anyone ever deep fried in a tin boiler over a fire?  Can it be done
> without too much trouble?   I would like to inflict some brothers with
> one of my cooking experiments at a upcoming camp.
>
> Wynn Ormond
>
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Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 23:04:36 -0500
From: "Addison Miller" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: The fats in the fire

I have "cooked" in a tin boiler many times, but have never deep fried in
one. I dinna think they were sturdy enough to take the prolonged heat.  When
I do cook something like that, I usually use my heavier iron dutch oven...
Either hung over the fire, or supported over the coals on a metal grate.
Doesn't sound real safe to me... just my tuppence worth...

Ad Miller


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Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 22:39:24 -0600
From: "Ronny Oswalt, Sr." <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: The fats in the fire

You need at hot fire with low flames, and yes, it can be just as difficult
as it sounds.  Seasoned hardwood makes it easy.  No sweat down here in
Mississippi, but in the Shining Mountains the vine maple, aspen and alder
just don't put out many  BTUs compared to oak and hickory.  Even then a
concentration of heat under the pot can do it, but you will probably have
leaping flames.  Use a deep pot (high sides)  so that it will only be about
half full.  This helps prevents grease fires.

One of my first experiments with this  was many years ago when as  teenagers
my friends and I cooked  a possum.  Mama wouldn't cook it and wouldn't let
me cook it in the house so we tried our hand at deep frying over a wood fire
while on a campout.  NEVER again!  I told my buddies that it was neither the
possum nor my cooking but their help that made it unfit to eat.  They didn't
seem to understand why Copenhagen was a poor substitute for black pepper.
I'll eat a Blackfoot before I try another possum.

Big Thunder
Grenada, MS


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Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 22:52:55 -0700
From: "Clay J. Landry" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Hello from Oregon

Greetings Rick and welcome to the list.

Your question on horse and mule packing by the trappers and traders of the
Rocky Mountain fur trade happens to hit on subject that I have been
researching for several years now. While I have found some good information
there are still a lot of questions. Here is some of the information that I
have documented.

Sawbuck pack saddles, or variations of it, can be traced back to Colonial
America. Very often in the trade ledgers and business records of the fur
trade this saddle is referred to as an "American"  pack saddle. These
saddles show up on the trade ledgers of most of the fur companies and were
charged out to the trappers at $2.00 to $3.00 each. The records of the
American Fur Company  show that this company purchased a great many
"American" pack saddle trees from the St. Louis saddler Thornton Grimsley
and
also paid him to rig them. I found a ledger entry where AMFC was charged by
Gimsley for covering the bars with wool pelts. The Alfred Jacob Miller field
sketches always show these saddles rigged with a single cinch and crupper.
Most of his drawings indicate that the single cinch was "center shot" or
rigged so that it passed under the pack animal more towards the center of
his barrel. I have seen an original sawbuck pack saddle   documented as used
in the fur trade of the early 1840's and the cinch rings are rigged to be
exactly centered on the saddle.  The pack saddles shown in the Kurtz
drawings, done while in the Fort Union area, also show all the pack saddles
rigged with a crupper and single center shot cinch. These drawings were done
in the 1850's there-by indicating to me that this method of rigging the
sawbuck was in  use   for many years. To date I have found no evidence of
britchens or double rigged cinches used on fur trade era sawbuck pack
saddles.

I only know of one detailed description of a trapper actually tying on
packs. This  was in 1839 and is a very good description of a diamond hitch.
There are several references in the mountaineer journals to "making" packs
or :"baling" goods. Most trade goods were made into packs or bales held
together by an item called a "wrapper blanket", then roped tight. These were
a very thick and tough cheap wool blanket. Most references to packs indicate
they were from 90 to 100 pounds each.  Beaver was made into packs of 100
pounds each by means of a press, tied with heavy leather thongs and wrapped
with a green buffalo or other large animal hide. All of these references to
"packs" would indicate that the mountaineers used either a basket or barrel
hitch to secure the packs to a sawbuck. This last statement is speculation
on my part-but how else would they have done it?? To half answer my own
question I must further state that in numerous records I have found an item
called a "Pack strap", but no indication as to how it was used. Grimsley
made hundreds of them for the AMFC- they were 10 to 12 feet long and had
buckles. Again more speculation- but a very fast way to load packs would be
to hang them from the sawbucks but the ropes that hold the pack together,
then throw a couple of these pack straps around the animal and the two
packs-tighten it down and away you go. Miller also  shows some drawings in
which it appears that the packs are covered with tarps or what we call
"mannys" so that may have also been put on before the :pack straps were
used. I have also seen references to "pack covers" made from Russia sheeting
or cotton duck.

I have only found a couple references to "pack bags" and only one reference
to the word "pannier". Several Miller drawings seem to show  pack animals
carrying pack bags. However, I have seen pack baskets listed and lots of
good were shipped to Rendezvous in barrels. Also "trap sacks" are a very
common item purchased by the mountaineers.

I have rambled on long enough-hope that this helps-if you have more
questions I'll do my best to help answer them.

Clay Landry
Moorhead MT
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From: Rick Guglielmi <[e-mail]>
To: <[e-mail]>
Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2001 7:16 AM
Subject: MtMan-List: Hello from Oregon


> My name is Rick Guglielmi, I have been monitoring the MtMan list for about
> a month now and thought it was time I introduce myself and get
> involved.

> One question I would like to start off with concerns the way horses and
> mules were packed during the 1800-50 period.  I have recently read several
> articles on the type of pack saddles, wether they were double or single
> rigged,had a breast collar, etc.  I have also seen in different
> publications pictures and drawings of both sawbuck style saddles and what
> is called an aparejo packsaddle.  What I have not seen i show these
saddles
> were actually packed.  Was pack bags used on the saw buck or did they
sling
> load gear similar to the method used on a decker saddle.  What about the
> Aparejo-I have packed alot of mules and horses outfitted with sawbucks but
> have no idea on the way a aparejo works.
>
> I look forward to participating in furure discussions and hearing from
> folks especially from NE Oregon.
>
> Rick
>
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Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 06:46:47 -0700
From: "BARRY CONNER" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: Buffalo kill........

You boys better make it real early spring, no later than mid March, earlier
the better so the hair doesn't slip, Jan & Feb can be real cold down in
Wallace KS, not a lot of trees to break that wind, once you experience that
you can see why some of the early settlers went crazy.

Take care,
Buck Conner
"Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty"  Thomas Jefferson 1771

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From: "Gene Hickman" <[e-mail]>
To: <[e-mail]>
Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2001 5:57 PM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: Buffalo kill........


> I'm ready anytime. I'll get the phone number and details.
>
> Bead Shooter
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <[e-mail]>
> Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2001 5:43 PM
> >
> > Ya know Bead.....that might be kinda fun to do this spring while the
hair
> is
> > still long. You up for getting help if I get run over? ....<G>
> >
> > Magpie
>
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Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 07:18:57 -0700
From: Mike Moore <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: Buffalo kill........

The Baker Party is right now planning a buffalo hunt at that site.
no date set yet, but we had orignally thought of the usual President's
day weekend camp that we hold every year. If any other AMM guys
are looking for a cold, miserable time shooting big, angry beasts you
can contact us. If you just want to see one and not be involved that
is fine too. All of our camps are open for any member to come, just
like all the rest of the parties camps. Need details?
                                    mike.

BARRY CONNER wrote:

> You boys better make it real early spring, no later than mid March, earlier
> the better so the hair doesn't slip, Jan & Feb can be real cold down in
> Wallace KS, not a lot of trees to break that wind, once you experience that
> you can see why some of the early settlers went crazy.
>
> Take care,
> Buck Conner
> "Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty"  Thomas Jefferson 1771
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Gene Hickman" <[e-mail]>
> To: <[e-mail]>
> Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2001 5:57 PM
> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: Buffalo kill........
>
> > I'm ready anytime. I'll get the phone number and details.
> >
> > Bead Shooter
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <[e-mail]>
> > Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2001 5:43 PM
> > >
> > > Ya know Bead.....that might be kinda fun to do this spring while the
> hair
> > is
> > > still long. You up for getting help if I get run over? ....<G>
> > >
> > > Magpie
> >
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Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 07:45:20 -0700
From: "Ole B. Jensen" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Canvas

Capt,
Now I understand, Gentle Sarcasim. I have always belived that before you
start a discussion you had better know what youre talking about and be able
to prove it. If I were to speculate on what beeding the trapers would have
used during a long winter camp, I would use grass covered with a blanket.
There is no documentation for it that I know about but grass and straw have
been used for centuries.
YMOS
Ole # 718
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>From: "rtlahti" <[e-mail]>
>To: <[e-mail]>
>Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Canvas
>Date: Tue, Dec 18, 2001, 11:43 AM
>

>Ole,
>
>You mean to say we think alike? Now that's a scary thought! Must be the Dane
>in us. <G>
>
>Roger Paul (for Paulsen) Lahti
>#1719
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Ole B. Jensen" <[e-mail]>
>To: <[e-mail]>
>Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2001 6:41 AM
>Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Canvas
>
>
>> Capt,
>> You said what I was thinking. You are right on the money.
>> YMOS
>> Ole # 718
>
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Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 09:10:46 -0800 (PST)
From: Clint Garrett <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Fw: MtMan-List: L.S Vol 5/oil cloth- Nv. muzzleloader article

.
>                    ask Walt Grizz Hayward what he
> thinks of
>                    the word Buckskinner.
>                                              Two
> Bear
>
 i agree with you Two Bear; it is a modern term within
the movement.  yet as i'm told by the hardcore
diehards of 'document fanaticism' the term 'mountain
man' replaced 'mountaineer' much later.

what does Walt say about the faddist term buckskinner?

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Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 09:40:45 -0800
From: "rtlahti" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Canvas

Ole,

Makes reasonable sense to me too. There are mentions in Journals about
laying down a saddle blanket/appishamore (sic) which we speculated a while
back might have been a section of buffalo robe and covering up with blankets
or another robe, even just laying there shivering. I would speculate that
they did with what they had and grass, etc. works. And in Winter it doesn't
take much of a natural material roof to keep the snow off.

YMOS
Capt. Lahti' #1719


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From: "Ole B. Jensen" <[e-mail]>
To: <[e-mail]>
Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2001 6:45 AM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Canvas


> Capt,
> Now I understand, Gentle Sarcasim. I have always belived that before you
> start a discussion you had better know what youre talking about and be
able
> to prove it. If I were to speculate on what beeding the trapers would have
> used during a long winter camp, I would use grass covered with a blanket.
> There is no documentation for it that I know about but grass and straw
have
> been used for centuries.
> YMOS
> Ole # 718
> ----------
> >From: "rtlahti" <[e-mail]>
> >To: <[e-mail]>
> >Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Canvas
> >Date: Tue, Dec 18, 2001, 11:43 AM
> >
>
> >Ole,
> >
> >You mean to say we think alike? Now that's a scary thought! Must be the
Dane
> >in us. <G>
> >
> >Roger Paul (for Paulsen) Lahti
> >#1719
> >
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Ole B. Jensen" <[e-mail]>
> >To: <[e-mail]>
> >Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2001 6:41 AM
> >Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Canvas
> >
> >
> >> Capt,
> >> You said what I was thinking. You are right on the money.
> >> YMOS
> >> Ole # 718
> >
> >
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