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From: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com (hist_text-digest) To: hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: hist_text-digest V1 #859 Reply-To: hist_text Sender: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk hist_text-digest Tuesday, September 11 2001 Volume 01 : Number 859 In this issue: -áááááá Fw: MtMan-List: how to unsubscribe -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Re: hist_text-digest V1 #854 -áááááá MtMan-List: what's authentic -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: what's authentic -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: what's authentic -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: what's authentic -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Horse & Gunfire -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: what's authentic -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: over nite muzzleloader -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: over nite muzzleloader -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Horse & Gunfire -áááááá MtMan-List: overnite muzzle loader -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: over nite muzzleloader -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: over nite muzzleloader -áááááá MtMan-List: Off Topic.....WTC thoughts -áááááá MtMan-List: Blessing -áááááá Re: Re: MtMan-List: Delaware Indians -áááááá MtMan-List: Re: AMM-List: Off Topic.....WTC thoughts -áááááá Re: Re: MtMan-List: Delaware Indians ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 18:51:44 -0500 From: "Lanney Ratcliff" <amm1585@hyperusa.com> Subject: Fw: MtMan-List: how to unsubscribe This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0075_01C13A29.A2D012E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@xmission.com, where the body of = the message consists of unsubscribe hist_text your_email_address. or unsubscribe hist_text-digest your_email_address. depending on which version you are subscribed to.=20 - ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Dave and Kristi Landis=20 To: roundevous list=20 Sent: Monday, September 10, 2001 10:13 AM Subject: MtMan-List: how to unsubscribe Can anyone tell me how to unsubscribe? avemaria@polarcomm.com TAHITIAN NONI* Juice! 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Glover http://homestead.juno.com/tetontodd/index.html - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 20:08:37 -0500 From: "Frank Fusco" <frankf@cox-internet.com> Subject: MtMan-List: what's authentic Magpie said, <Waitaminute....wait-a minute! Capt Lahti knows of what he speaks, and takes great glee in pointing out the error of my ways.....even when I don't ask.> He sends me stuff too. But I am on this list and that is asking for input. Frank Frank G. Fusco Mountain Home, Arkansas http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/ozarksmuzzleloaders - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 21:57:19 EDT From: SWcushing@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: what's authentic In a message dated 9/10/01 3:32:51 PM, SWzypher@aol.com writes: << The little beauty had moccasin-looking slippers on with token Hong-Kong beadwork. The other gal was barefoot. I had an immediate vision of Edwin Tunis illustrations for his book "Colonial Living" with a barefoot gal and a pipe. Hairy mole ober allus! >> Come on boys.....all them wimmins gotta do is look good! Dressed in "air" is OK wid me... and them leather thongs....hell, as long as they're brain tan, they're welcome in my camp! Magpie - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 22:32:47 EDT From: SWcushing@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: what's authentic In a message dated 9/10/01 6:20:05 PM, frankf@cox-internet.com writes: << He sends me stuff too. But I am on this list and that is asking for input. >> Haaaaaa.....and he does give good input! ..<VBG> The Great Capt Lahti is, and has been, my "mentor", and probably the main reason I'm a pilgrim in the AMM. We've shared many camp fires, hunts, and jugs of rum together, and he's given me the direction I needed to do it right....<sob> I love you...man...<G> Seriously... I couldn't ask for a better guide, friend, brother, and a finer Mountaineer you'd be hard to fine. I remain.. Magpie - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 22:44:52 EDT From: SWzypher@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: what's authentic In a message dated 9/11/1 2:58:30 AM, SWcushing@aol.com writes: <<Come on boys.....all them wimmins gotta do is look good! Dressed in "air" is OK wid me... and them leather thongs....hell, as long as they're brain tan, they're welcome in my camp!>> Magpie you would take them if they were brain-dead . . . brain tan be damned. What I was judging is what is right - not what I like. Besides her husband was right there........ RJames - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 22:54:38 EDT From: SWcushing@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Horse & Gunfire In a message dated 9/10/01 1:33:48 PM, bluethistle@potlatch.com writes: <> Hallo Lee, I don't know jack about horses, but watched Doc and the UMO boys ride into camp at Nationals just as Badger set off the canon.... The lead rider saw it coming, and started a turn to the right as the canon went off. His horse went down to his knees, spun around, leaped up, crashed into a few more horses, wild stuff and I figured they'd all be dead when it was over. Anyway, when the smoke cleared, every mountaineer was still on his (and her) horse, and laughing! Finest display of "ridein" I'd ever seen... So, I guess all ya gotta do is learn how to stay on top when shootin....<G> Ymos, Magpie - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 22:57:57 EDT From: SWcushing@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: what's authentic In a message dated 9/10/01 7:45:41 PM, SWzypher@aol.com writes: << Magpie you would take them if they were brain-dead . . . brain tan be damned. >> Grin.... - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 20:21:03 -0700 From: "rtlahti" <rtlahti@msn.com> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: over nite muzzleloader Anybody > do different.GJG GJG, Yes, the rest of us. <G> I and most of my companions (very experienced ml hunters and woods men of the first order) do not unload our guns at night unless we feel they have gotten wet or are otherwise compromised. Then we shoot the load out or pull the load (which is the better way as it doesn't dirty the bore) and wipe it out good with a damp patch and then some grease/oil (we use natural oils like bear grease and olive oil, etc. no synthetics and no petroleum products ever touch our bores. No soap is used in the cleaning either. Seems to work fine as I don't recall the last time in 30 some years of hunting that I have had the charge fail to go nor have I ever had any rust problems. YMOS Capt. Lahti' - ----- Original Message ----- From: Ellen Gossett <gjme@negia.net> To: <hist_text@lists.xmission.com> Sent: Monday, September 10, 2001 3:20 PM Subject: MtMan-List: over nite muzzleloader > This is a ques for hunters or those who keep a charge in their guns over > nite or longer.After hunting if nothing is shot most folks ( I know) > discharge it and wipe it then load it the next morning a fresh. Anybody > do different.GJG > > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 23:30:28 -0500 From: John Kramer <kramer@kramerize.com> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: over nite muzzleloader Thank you Capt'n I couldn't agree more. Concise and to the point. John... At 08:21 PM 9/10/01 -0700, you wrote: >Anybody > > do different.GJG > > >GJG, > >Yes, the rest of us. <G> > >I and most of my companions (very experienced ml hunters and woods men of >the first order) do not unload our guns at night unless we feel they have >gotten wet or are otherwise compromised. Then we shoot the load out or pull >the load (which is the better way as it doesn't dirty the bore) and wipe it >out good with a damp patch and then some grease/oil (we use natural oils >like bear grease and olive oil, etc. no synthetics and no petroleum products >ever touch our bores. No soap is used in the cleaning either. Seems to work >fine as I don't recall the last time in 30 some years of hunting that I have >had the charge fail to go nor have I ever had any rust problems. > >YMOS >Capt. Lahti' If it ain't exactly right, it's wrong. john <kramer@kramerize.com> - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 05:53:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Scott McMahon <mustanggray@excite.com> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Horse & Gunfire - ------=_Part_7844_1519977.1000212823882 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mr. Newbill, I'm not an old hand around horses but I do have some experience training animals for 1830's/40's reenactments and this is how I handle it...I start with either a 22 or caps off of a revolver, I shoot these around the horse on the ground for awhile-then I mount and shoot off the horse for awhile. After they get used to this I move up to actual loads in my Paterson until they seem okay with this. After that is done I move up to my flint horse pistol and get them used to the smoke. I think it's just a gradual process that some horses work faster with than others! As far as cannons go I have a blm mare that loves cannons, at events she loves to get as close as possible while the guns are blazing!? Who knows! I also train them for lances and sabres basically with the same process...just a gradual familiarization with the weapons. Hope this helps...glad to finally see someone with an interest in horses on this list! Dios, Libertad y Tejas, Cpt. Scott McMahon S.W. Frontiers Mntd Ranging Co _______________________________________________________ http://inbox.excite.com - ------=_Part_7844_1519977.1000212823882 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="MtMan-List: Horse & Gunfire" Return-Path: <owner-hist_text@lists.xmission.com> Received: from lists.xmission.com ([198.60.22.7]) by mrpib.excite.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with ESMTP id <20010910203254.DQDE22403.mrpib.excite.com@lists.xmission.com>; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 13:32:54 -0700 Received: from domo by lists.xmission.com with local (Exim 2.12 #2) id 15gXjn-000148-00 for hist_text-gooutt@lists.xmission.com; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 14:32:59 -0600 Received: from [207.141.26.9] (helo=whale.fsr.net ident=root) by lists.xmission.com with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 15gXjk-00013R-00 for hist_text@lists.xmission.com; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 14:32:56 -0600 Received: from potlatch.com (pppl206.moscow.com [199.245.242.206]) by whale.fsr.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA60080 for <hist_text@lists.xmission.com>; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 13:32:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bluethistle@potlatch.com) Message-ID: <3B9D095B.4020602@potlatch.com> Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 13:41:31 -0500 From: Lee Newbill <bluethistle@potlatch.com> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; m18) Gecko/20010131 Netscape6/6.01 X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com Subject: MtMan-List: Horse & Gunfire References: <3B9D0784.4060303@potlatch.com> Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hist_text@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com <html><head></head><body>Greetings. I know I've been pretty quiet lately, but now I have a question regarding horses and gunfire. How have the list members with horses familierize thier mounts and packstock with gunfire? Mine have shown a marked unhappiness with gunshots and I need to fix that. Been training and work the small Newbill herd for packing... so far, only one minor wreck. Lesson learned... make sure the breakable link in the lead between pack animals is indeed breakable. Regards from Idaho Lee Newbill </body></html> - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - ------=_Part_7844_1519977.1000212823882-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 08:02:40 -0500 From: "Frank Fusco" <frankf@cox-internet.com> Subject: MtMan-List: overnite muzzle loader Ellen, as you pointed out, opinions vary on this issue. But you asked how others do it. With the rifle I have been using for many years, prior to the first day of the hunting season. I would completely clean the barrel, even if it was already clean. Then I would degrease it well, sometimes using carburetor cleaner. When dry I would load with my hunting charge and a competition size ball. Meaning in the .45, my load would be with a .445 ball. The patch would be some type of natural grease, not oil. Subsequent shots would be reloaded with .440 balls for quicker and easier fit down a dirty barrel. After the load I would lightly coat the inside of the barrel with preservative oil. If no shot presented themselves all season, that is the way it stayed. I never had a problem. Of course, safety always being a primary consideration, never forget that your rifle is always charged. Frank G. Fusco Mountain Home, Arkansas http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/ozarksmuzzleloaders - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 09:58:56 -0700 From: "rtlahti" <rtlahti@msn.com> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: over nite muzzleloader Thank you John. Capt. L - ----- Original Message ----- From: John Kramer <kramer@kramerize.com> To: <hist_text@lists.xmission.com> Sent: Monday, September 10, 2001 9:30 PM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: over nite muzzleloader > Thank you Capt'n I couldn't agree more. > > Concise and to the point. > > John... > > At 08:21 PM 9/10/01 -0700, you wrote: > >Anybody > > > do different.GJG > > > > > >GJG, > > > >Yes, the rest of us. <G> > > > >I and most of my companions (very experienced ml hunters and woods men of > >the first order) do not unload our guns at night unless we feel they have > >gotten wet or are otherwise compromised. Then we shoot the load out or pull > >the load (which is the better way as it doesn't dirty the bore) and wipe it > >out good with a damp patch and then some grease/oil (we use natural oils > >like bear grease and olive oil, etc. no synthetics and no petroleum products > >ever touch our bores. No soap is used in the cleaning either. Seems to work > >fine as I don't recall the last time in 30 some years of hunting that I have > >had the charge fail to go nor have I ever had any rust problems. > > > >YMOS > >Capt. Lahti' > > If it ain't exactly right, it's wrong. > john <kramer@kramerize.com> > > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 16:53:49 -0400 From: Ellen Gossett <gjme@negia.net> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: over nite muzzleloader thanks . Jim rtlahti wrote: > Anybody > > do different.GJG > > GJG, > > Yes, the rest of us. <G> > > I and most of my companions (very experienced ml hunters and woods men of > the first order) do not unload our guns at night unless we feel they have > gotten wet or are otherwise compromised. Then we shoot the load out or pull > the load (which is the better way as it doesn't dirty the bore) and wipe it > out good with a damp patch and then some grease/oil (we use natural oils > like bear grease and olive oil, etc. no synthetics and no petroleum products > ever touch our bores. No soap is used in the cleaning either. Seems to work > fine as I don't recall the last time in 30 some years of hunting that I have > had the charge fail to go nor have I ever had any rust problems. > > YMOS > Capt. Lahti' > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ellen Gossett <gjme@negia.net> > To: <hist_text@lists.xmission.com> > Sent: Monday, September 10, 2001 3:20 PM > Subject: MtMan-List: over nite muzzleloader > > > This is a ques for hunters or those who keep a charge in their guns over > > nite or longer.After hunting if nothing is shot most folks ( I know) > > discharge it and wipe it then load it the next morning a fresh. Anybody > > do different.GJG > > > > > > ---------------------- > > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > > > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 20:28:48 -0500 From: "Lanney Ratcliff" <amm1585@hyperusa.com> Subject: MtMan-List: Off Topic.....WTC thoughts We put up a 13 star American flag at my house today......and not at half staff. I'll mourn later. If those devils think we're gonna run scared they're as wrong as Japan was 60 years ago. What Yamamoto said then is hopefully true today...."We have awakened a sleeping giant". May the Lord take the innocent dead to His bosom this night and may He have mercy on the souls of the guilty who hopefully will come before Him very soon. Lanney Ratcliff - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 01:48:55 +0000 From: "darlene secondine" <dmdhsecondine@hotmail.com> Subject: MtMan-List: Blessing Dear Friends, My hope and prayer is that God continues to unify and bless us as Americans. GOD BLESS AMERICA, THE LAND THAT I LOVE! Join with me in prayer for the American families that were torn by the vicious and cowardly act of aggression today. Your friend and fellow American, Don Secondine _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 20:05:03 -0600 From: "Daniel L. Smith" <dlsmith@about.com> Subject: Re: Re: MtMan-List: Delaware Indians <html><head><meta Name='keywords' Content='commtouch, pronto, mail, free email, free, branded, web based, free web based email, communications, internet, software, advertising banners, e-mail, free software'></head><body ><div align='left'><blockquote><blockquote><TT>You guys want a little more information on the Lenape (Delaware) Indians, here's what Buck had on one of his pages, when talking about a family member that was of such breeding. Concho. - ----------------------------------------------- The Lennie-Lenape & Our Connection At one time the Lenape (Delawares), formed a confederacy, the most important of the Algonquian stock, consisting of the Munsee, Unami, and Unalachtigo divisions, speaking different dialects and occupying the basin of the Delaware river in eastern Pennsylvania and southeastern New York, and also most of New Jersey and Delaware. According to tribal tradition the Delawares had a common origin with the Nanticoke, Conoy, Shawnee, and Mahican. When they made their first treaty with William Penn in 1682 their council fire was at Shackamaxon, about the present Germantown, Pennsylvania. One of their great chiefs at this period was Tamanend, from whom the Tammany Society takes its name. In 1720 the Iroquois assumed dominion over them. This condition lasted until about the opening of the French and Indian War. Encroachments by the whites forced them across the mountains; by 1742 the main body located on the Susquehanna, at Wyoming and other points. By 1760 owing to Iroquois pressure and by invitation of the Hurons they commenced to form settlements in eastern Ohio, and in a short time the grater part of the Delawares, together with the Munsee (often referred to as distinct) and Mahican, had become established on the Muskingum and other streams of that region. Being now within reach of the French and supported by the western tribes, the Delawares were enabled to cast off the Iroquois yoke, and up to the treaty of Greenville to come in 1795 they were the most determined opponents of the advancing whites. By permission of the Miami and Piankashaw, about 1770, they settled in the country between the Ohio and White rivers in Indiana, and with the sanction of the Spanish Government in 1789 a part of them, together with some Shawnee, moved to Missouri and later to Arkansas. By 1820 the two bands had found their way to Texas, where at that time the Delawares numbered about 700. By 1835 most of the tribe had been gathered on a reservation in Kansas, whence they were removed in 1867 to Indian Territory (Oklahoma) and incorporated with the Cherokee Nation. Another band is affiliated with the Caddo and Wichita in Western Oklahoma, and in addition there are a few scattered remnants in the Untied States and several hundred in Canada where they are known as Delawares, Munsee, and Moravians. After many years of investigation it has been narrowed down that John Westley Connor's wife's mother (a 1/2 Native American) was probably of the Lennie-Lenape tribe because of words and sign found in a family Bible, and a letter written that she had been carried by her mother from eastern Ohio in early winter back to family in Harrisburg Pennsylvania after getting away from her capturers in Nov. 1856, making E. Helen Thomas - her daughter, a breed of 1/2 white and 1/2 Lenape heritage. - ----------------------------------------------- - ---- Begin Original Message ---- Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Delaware Indians Thanks Wynn for the note, The Delawares or Lenape speak an Algonquin language. The Delawares lived around Westville(present day kansas City) andLawrence,Ks. from the 1820's to 1867-68. (One of their many stops during the migration west from their homeland along the Delaware River Valley at European contact. I'll check out Dean's site(great site for trade lists, too.) in more detail concerning Delawares. Thanks again, Don Secondine - -------------------- >In a post not long go someone asked about referances to Delaware Indians in the fur trade. I went to Deans AMM site and entered Delware in the search. I go a dozen or so responces including Irvings quote: > >. The conference ended, Fontenelle sent a Delaware Indian of his party to conduct fifteen of the Blackfeet to the camp of Captain Bonneville. > >Also, it is my belief for what that is worth that many referances to Iroquois are really not being tribe specific. The Iroquois were a large presense and they were known to adopt other tribes into the league so it would be easy to refer to something like the Iroquois with Peter S Ogden when in fact there were more tribes represented. I can not remember now if the Delaware were in the same lingistic group as the Iroquois but if they are that would make the link even closer. > >Sorry to be so slow to respond to your inquiry. > >Wynn Ormond - ---- End Original Message ---- </TT> <TT>Sign up for a free About Email account at http://About.com </TT></blockquote></blockquote></div></body></html> - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 22:20:45 -0400 From: "Double Edge Forge" <deforge1@bright.net> Subject: MtMan-List: Re: AMM-List: Off Topic.....WTC thoughts This day is what all those years of "understanding and nurturing" gets you... If you oppose this opinion , keep it to your damned self.. You WON'T like my answer. I can guarentee it. D - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 02:23:05 +0000 From: "darlene secondine" <dmdhsecondine@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: Re: MtMan-List: Delaware Indians This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_1574_4f43_4275 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Thanks Daniel, For responding to my post. Speaking of Buck, where is Buck at and is he well or just out galivantin'? Haven't heard from him in a while. I looked over his website and enjoyed it. Also, I went to the Mountain Man website and looked for "Delaware" in search tools and found some new stuff I had not seen before. I didn't know, for instance, that Tom Tobin was half Delaware. Thanks again guys, for the tip. Your friend, Don Secondine >From: "Daniel L. Smith" <dlsmith@about.com> >Reply-To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com >To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com >Subject: Re: Re: MtMan-List: Delaware Indians >Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 20:05:03 -0600 > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - ------=_NextPart_000_1574_4f43_4275 Content-Type: message/rfc822 From owner-hist_text@lists.xmission.com Tue, 11 Sep 2001 19:04:57 -0700 Received: from [198.60.22.7] by hotmail.com (3.2) with ESMTP id MHotMailBD680DB800B54004325BC63C16078D430; Tue, 11 Sep 2001 19:04:42 -0700 Received: from domo by lists.xmission.com with local (Exim 2.12 #2) id 15gzO9-0001Ih-00 for hist_text-gooutt@lists.xmission.com; Tue, 11 Sep 2001 20:04:29 -0600 Received: from [216.163.180.10] (helo=c0mailgw13.prontomail.com) by lists.xmission.com with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 15gzO7-0001Ic-00 for hist_text@lists.xmission.com; Tue, 11 Sep 2001 20:04:27 -0600 Received: from c0web107 (216.163.180.10) by c0mailgw13.prontomail.com (NPlex 5.5.029) id 3B9EA497000036A8 for hist_text@lists.xmission.com; Tue, 11 Sep 2001 18:57:08 -0700 X-Version: about 6.0.2393.0 From: "Daniel L. Smith" <dlsmith@about.com> Message-Id: <B8E264E8F7805CC43BC198A1F529A4D5@dlsmith.about.com> Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 20:05:03 -0600 X-Priority: Normal Content-Type: text/html To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com Subject: Re: Re: MtMan-List: Delaware Indians X-Mailer: Web Based Pronto Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-hist_text@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com <html><head><meta Name='keywords' Content='commtouch, pronto, mail, free email, free, branded, web based, free web based email, communications, internet, software, advertising banners, e-mail, free software'></head><body ><div align='left'><blockquote><blockquote><TT>You guys want a little more information on the Lenape (Delaware) Indians, here's what Buck had on one of his pages, when talking about a family member that was of such breeding. Concho. - ----------------------------------------------- The Lennie-Lenape & Our Connection At one time the Lenape (Delawares), formed a confederacy, the most important of the Algonquian stock, consisting of the Munsee, Unami, and Unalachtigo divisions, speaking different dialects and occupying the basin of the Delaware river in eastern Pennsylvania and southeastern New York, and also most of New Jersey and Delaware. According to tribal tradition the Delawares had a common origin with the Nanticoke, Conoy, Shawnee, and Mahican. When they made their first treaty with William Penn in 1682 their council fire was at Shackamaxon, about the present Germantown, Pennsylvania. One of their great chiefs at this period was Tamanend, from whom the Tammany Society takes its name. In 1720 the Iroquois assumed dominion over them. This condition lasted until about the opening of the French and Indian War. Encroachments by the whites forced them across the mountains; by 1742 the main body located on the Susquehanna, at Wyoming and other points. By 1760 owing to Iroquois pressure and by invitation of the Hurons they commenced to form settlements in eastern Ohio, and in a short time the grater part of the Delawares, together with the Munsee (often referred to as distinct) and Mahican, had become established on the Muskingum and other streams of that region. Being now within reach of the French and supported by the western tribes, the Delawares were enabled to cast off the Iroquois yoke, and up to the treaty of Greenville to come in 1795 they were the most determined opponents of the advancing whites. By permission of the Miami and Piankashaw, about 1770, they settled in the country between the Ohio and White rivers in Indiana, and with the sanction of the Spanish Government in 1789 a part of them, together with some Shawnee, moved to Missouri and later to Arkansas. By 1820 the two bands had found their way to Texas, where at that time the Delawares numbered about 700. By 1835 most of the tribe had been gathered on a reservation in Kansas, whence they were removed in 1867 to Indian Territory (Oklahoma) and incorporated with the Cherokee Nation. Another band is affiliated with the Caddo and Wichita in Western Oklahoma, and in addition there are a few scattered remnants in the Untied States and several hundred in Canada where they are known as Delawares, Munsee, and Moravians. After many years of investigation it has been narrowed down that John Westley Connor's wife's mother (a 1/2 Native American) was probably of the Lennie-Lenape tribe because of words and sign found in a family Bible, and a letter written that she had been carried by her mother from eastern Ohio in early winter back to family in Harrisburg Pennsylvania after getting away from her capturers in Nov. 1856, making E. Helen Thomas - her daughter, a breed of 1/2 white and 1/2 Lenape heritage. - ----------------------------------------------- - ---- Begin Original Message ---- Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Delaware Indians Thanks Wynn for the note, The Delawares or Lenape speak an Algonquin language. The Delawares lived around Westville(present day kansas City) andLawrence,Ks. from the 1820's to 1867-68. (One of their many stops during the migration west from their homeland along the Delaware River Valley at European contact. I'll check out Dean's site(great site for trade lists, too.) in more detail concerning Delawares. Thanks again, Don Secondine - -------------------- >In a post not long go someone asked about referances to Delaware Indians in the fur trade. I went to Deans AMM site and entered Delware in the search. I go a dozen or so responces including Irvings quote: > >. The conference ended, Fontenelle sent a Delaware Indian of his party to conduct fifteen of the Blackfeet to the camp of Captain Bonneville. > >Also, it is my belief for what that is worth that many referances to Iroquois are really not being tribe specific. The Iroquois were a large presense and they were known to adopt other tribes into the league so it would be easy to refer to something like the Iroquois with Peter S Ogden when in fact there were more tribes represented. I can not remember now if the Delaware were in the same lingistic group as the Iroquois but if they are that would make the link even closer. > >Sorry to be so slow to respond to your inquiry. > >Wynn Ormond - ---- End Original Message ---- </TT> <TT>Sign up for a free About Email account at http://About.com </TT></blockquote></blockquote></div></body></html> - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - ------=_NextPart_000_1574_4f43_4275-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ End of hist_text-digest V1 #859 ******************************* - To unsubscribe to hist_text-digest, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe hist_text-digest" in the body of the message.