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hist_text-digest     Wednesday, September 12 2001     Volume 01 : Number 860



In this issue:

-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Re: AMM-List: Off Topic.....WTC thoughts
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Re: AMM-List: Off Topic.....WTC thoughts
-áááááá MtMan-List: Horses & Gunfire
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Re: AMM-List: Off Topic.....WTC thoughts
-áááááá MtMan-List: WTC
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Re: AMM-List: Off Topic.....WTC thoughts
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Delaware Indians
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Horses & Gunfire
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Re: AMM-List: Off Topic.....WTC thoughts
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Re: AMM-List: Off Topic.....WTC thoughts
-áááááá Re:MtMan-List:Off Topic...WTC thoughts
-áááááá MtMan-List: A Prayer for our Country
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List:Off Topic...WTC thoughts
-áááááá MtMan-List:Off Topic...WTC
-áááááá Re:MtMan-List:Off Topic...WTC thoughts
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: A Prayer for our Country

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Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 19:33:32 -0700 (PDT)
From: George Noe <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: AMM-List: Off Topic.....WTC thoughts

AMEN !!!!
- --- Double Edge Forge <[e-mail]> wrote:
> This day is what all those years of  "understanding
> and nurturing" gets
> you...
> If you oppose this opinion , keep it to your damned
> self.. You WON'T like my
> answer. I can guarentee it.
>
> D
>
>
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Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 22:56:15 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: AMM-List: Off Topic.....WTC thoughts

In a message dated 9/11/01 10:34:42 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
[e-mail] writes:

<< AMEN !!!!
 --- Double Edge Forge <[e-mail]> wrote:
 > This day is what all those years of  "understanding
 > and nurturing" gets
 > you... >>

The people who gave their lives on the airliners and helping in the aftermath
are PATRIOTS!!  They have given their lives on the most heinous attack on
american soil.

Dang right that "what's good for you is OK - I don't want to offend you, so
go ahead!" crap gets you!!!!!

Japan feared they had wakened a sleeping giant.  I desparately hope that we
do not prove to be a comatose giant!

If this list is any indication, we are still peopled with enough people who
refuse to be bullied and who refuse to accept limitations and impositions on
the reasonable, hard-won freedom that our forefathers won for us!!!

My heart is small for those who have died and those who have lost.  My face
is black against those who would do such a thing.  What do we do now?  What
do we do now?

- -C.Kent, who still loves America and believes in her resiliency!

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Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 00:04:48 -0400 (EDT)
From: [e-mail] (Jon Marinetti)
Subject: MtMan-List: Horses & Gunfire

Very interesting.  Is some of the concussion dissipated thru her large
nostrils and larger bone structure of their head, compared to humans?  A
large animal vet's explanation would be much appreciated here, if not
too off topic (I was with horse from 80-87).

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Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 03:16:45 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: AMM-List: Off Topic.....WTC thoughts

To Lanney and D and others,
    I couldn't agree more.  My heart was sickened today as I watched in
horror.  My gut reaction from early on this morning was that this Osama bin
Laden was responsible When I was a kid, my dad had this big ol' paddle that
would fit perfect across 3 little butts.  When he couldn't find out who had
done wrong, He lined all 3 of us over the couch and swung for the bleachers.
He made sure he got the guilty party.  Boys and girls...It's time to get out
the big paddle again!!!!.  God bless us all and May God bless George W with
the resolve to do what needs to be done.

PS
    Years ago, a friend of mine had a good solution for all of those Middle
eastern "hot spots."  He said "NUKE IT AND PAVE IT!!  MAKE A PARKING LOT OUT
OF IT!"   Hmmmm not a bad idea... a new airstrip would be nice over there.


ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ
Sleeps Loudly

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Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 03:17:03 -0700
From: "De Santis, Nick" <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: WTC

All,

We are attacked.  This phrase hits me to my very core.

Normally I read on this list as it is my passion to learn and live the ways
of our older brothers who new and lived the truth of what it is to be a man
and be free.

I have a new passion: It is time to count coup on our enemies and show them
what honor is.

Travler

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Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 07:22:53 -0500
From: "northwoods" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: AMM-List: Off Topic.....WTC thoughts

- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Double Edge Forge" <[e-mail]>
To: <[e-mail]>; "History List"
<[e-mail]>; "scalpdance" <[e-mail]>
Cc: "Mary Tallent" <[e-mail]>; "Danney & Kathy Ratcliff"
<[e-mail]>; "Tammy Ratcliff" <[e-mail]>; "Marsha
Shumate" <[e-mail]>
Sent: September 11, 2001 9:20 PM
Subject: MtMan-List: Re: AMM-List: Off Topic.....WTC thoughts


> This day is what all those years of  "understanding and nurturing" gets
> you...
> If you oppose this opinion , keep it to your damned self.. You WON'T like
my
> answer. I can guarentee it.
>
> D

I have been off this list for a year and upon resubscribing for the last
week  or so am surprised to see Dennis that you are even more of a loud
mouthed bully than you used to be. You use much more profanity these days.
Congratulations to you for expanding your horizons.

T. Clark


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Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 06:32:14 -0600
From: Mike Moore <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Delaware Indians

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Don,
    A new book is out on Tom Tobin by James Perkins. Very good!
"Tom Tobin, Frontiersman" In it he says Tom's mother Sarah Tissman,
was a freed colored, her husband was french. While the book spans
much more than the fur trade, it is very inlightening on a individual
who
helped shape the west. The books has lots of references and good
locations
and descriptions.
                                        mike.


darlene secondine wrote:

>  Also, I went to the Mountain Man website
> and looked for "Delaware" in search tools and found some new stuff I
> had not
> seen before. I didn't know, for instance, that Tom Tobin was half
> Delaware.
> Thanks again guys, for the tip.
> Your friend,
> Don Secondine
>
>
>
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> Subject: Re: Re: MtMan-List: Delaware Indians
> Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 20:05:03 -0600
> From: "Daniel L. Smith" <[e-mail]>
> Reply-To: [e-mail]
> To: [e-mail]
>
>           You guys want a little more information on the
>           Lenape (Delaware) Indians, here's what Buck had
>           on one of his pages, when talking about a family
>           member that was of such breeding.
>
>           Concho.
>
>           -----------------------------------------------
>           The Lennie-Lenape & Our Connection
>
>           At one time the Lenape (Delawares), formed a
>           confederacy, the most important of the Algonquian
>           stock, consisting of the Munsee, Unami, and
>           Unalachtigo divisions, speaking different
>           dialects and occupying the basin of the Delaware
>           river in eastern Pennsylvania and southeastern
>           New York, and also most of New Jersey and
>           Delaware. According to tribal tradition the
>           Delawares had a common origin with the Nanticoke,
>           Conoy, Shawnee, and Mahican.
>
>           When they made their first treaty with William
>           Penn in 1682 their council fire was at
>           Shackamaxon, about the present Germantown,
>           Pennsylvania. One of their great chiefs at this
>           period was Tamanend, from whom the Tammany
>           Society takes its name. In 1720 the Iroquois
>           assumed dominion over them. This condition lasted
>           until about the opening of the French and Indian
>           War. Encroachments by the whites forced them
>           across the mountains; by 1742 the main body
>           located on the Susquehanna, at Wyoming and other
>           points.
>
>           By 1760 owing to Iroquois pressure and by
>           invitation of the Hurons they commenced to form
>           settlements in eastern Ohio, and in a short time
>           the grater part of the Delawares, together with
>           the Munsee (often referred to as distinct) and
>           Mahican, had become established on the Muskingum
>           and other streams of that region. Being now
>           within reach of the French and supported by the
>           western tribes, the Delawares were enabled to
>           cast off the Iroquois yoke, and up to the treaty
>           of Greenville to come in 1795 they were the most
>           determined opponents of the advancing whites.
>
>           By permission of the Miami and Piankashaw, about
>           1770, they settled in the country between the
>           Ohio and White rivers in Indiana, and with the
>           sanction of the Spanish Government in 1789 a part
>           of them, together with some Shawnee, moved to
>           Missouri and later to Arkansas.
>
>           By 1820 the two bands had found their way to
>           Texas, where at that time the Delawares numbered
>           about 700.
>
>           By 1835 most of the tribe had been gathered on a
>           reservation in Kansas, whence they were removed
>           in 1867 to Indian Territory (Oklahoma) and
>           incorporated with the Cherokee Nation. Another
>           band is affiliated with the Caddo and Wichita in
>           Western Oklahoma, and in addition there are a few
>           scattered remnants in the Untied States and
>           several hundred in Canada where they are known as
>           Delawares, Munsee, and Moravians.
>
>           After many years of investigation it has been
>           narrowed down that John Westley Connor's wife's
>           mother (a 1/2 Native American) was probably of
>           the Lennie-Lenape tribe because of words and sign
>           found in a family Bible, and a letter written
>           that she had been carried by her mother from
>           eastern Ohio in early winter back to family in
>           Harrisburg Pennsylvania after getting away from
>           her capturers in Nov. 1856, making E. Helen
>           Thomas - her daughter, a breed of 1/2 white and
>           1/2 Lenape heritage.
>
>           -----------------------------------------------
>           ---- Begin Original Message ----
>           Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Delaware Indians
>           Thanks Wynn for the note,
>            The Delawares or Lenape speak an Algonquin
>           language. The Delawares lived around
>           Westville(present day kansas City)
>           andLawrence,Ks. from the 1820's to 1867-68. (One
>           of their many stops during the migration west
>           from their homeland along the Delaware River
>           Valley at European contact. I'll check out
>           Dean's site(great site for trade lists, too.) in
>           more detail concerning Delawares.
>           Thanks again,
>           Don Secondine
>
>           --------------------
>           >In a post not long go someone asked about
>           referances to Delaware Indians in the fur trade.
>           I went to Deans AMM site and entered Delware in
>           the search.  I go a dozen or so responces
>           including Irvings quote:
>           >
>           >. The conference ended, Fontenelle sent a
>           Delaware Indian of his party to conduct fifteen
>           of the Blackfeet to the camp of Captain
>           Bonneville.
>           >
>           >Also, it is my belief for what that is worth
>           that many referances to Iroquois are really not
>           being tribe specific.  The Iroquois were a large
>           presense and they were known to adopt other
>           tribes into the league so it would be easy to
>           refer to something like the Iroquois with Peter S
>           Ogden when in fact there were more tribes
>           represented.   I can not remember now if the
>           Delaware were in the same lingistic group as the
>           Iroquois but if they are that would make the link
>           even closer.
>           >
>           >Sorry to be so slow to respond to your inquiry.
>           >
>           >Wynn Ormond
>
>           ---- End Original Message ----
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Don,
<br>    A new book is out on Tom Tobin by James Perkins.
Very good!
<br>"Tom Tobin, Frontiersman" In it he says Tom's mother Sarah Tissman,
<br>was a freed colored, her husband was french. While the book spans
<br>much more than the fur trade, it is very inlightening on a individual
who
<br>helped shape the west. The books has lots of references and good locations
<br>and descriptions.
<br>
mike.
<br>
<p>darlene secondine wrote:
<blockquote TYPE=CITE>
<pre WRAP> Also, I went to the Mountain Man website
and looked for "Delaware" in search tools and found some new stuff I had not
seen before. I didn't know, for instance, that Tom Tobin was half Delaware.
Thanks again guys, for the tip.
Your friend,
Don Secondine




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<p><nobr><b>Subject: </b>Re: Re: MtMan-List: Delaware Indians</nobr>
<br><nobr><b>Date: </b>Tue, 11 Sep 2001 20:05:03 -0600</nobr>
<br><nobr><b>From: </b>"Daniel L. Smith" <[e-mail]></nobr>
<br><nobr><b>Reply-To: </b>[e-mail]</nobr>
<br><nobr><b>To: </b>[e-mail]</nobr>
<blockquote>
<blockquote><tt>You guys want a little more information on the</tt>
<br><tt>Lenape (Delaware) Indians, here's what Buck had</tt>
<br><tt>on one of his pages, when talking about a family</tt>
<br><tt>member that was of such breeding.</tt>
<p><tt>Concho.</tt>
<p><tt>-----------------------------------------------</tt>
<br><tt>The Lennie-Lenape & Our Connection</tt>
<p><tt>At one time the Lenape (Delawares), formed a</tt>
<br><tt>confederacy, the most important of the Algonquian</tt>
<br><tt>stock, consisting of the Munsee, Unami, and</tt>
<br><tt>Unalachtigo divisions, speaking different</tt>
<br><tt>dialects and occupying the basin of the Delaware</tt>
<br><tt>river in eastern Pennsylvania and southeastern</tt>
<br><tt>New York, and also most of New Jersey and</tt>
<br><tt>Delaware. According to tribal tradition the</tt>
<br><tt>Delawares had a common origin with the Nanticoke,</tt>
<br><tt>Conoy, Shawnee, and Mahican.</tt>
<p><tt>When they made their first treaty with William</tt>
<br><tt>Penn in 1682 their council fire was at</tt>
<br><tt>Shackamaxon, about the present Germantown,</tt>
<br><tt>Pennsylvania. One of their great chiefs at this</tt>
<br><tt>period was Tamanend, from whom the Tammany</tt>
<br><tt>Society takes its name. In 1720 the Iroquois</tt>
<br><tt>assumed dominion over them. This condition lasted</tt>
<br><tt>until about the opening of the French and Indian</tt>
<br><tt>War. Encroachments by the whites forced them</tt>
<br><tt>across the mountains; by 1742 the main body</tt>
<br><tt>located on the Susquehanna, at Wyoming and other</tt>
<br><tt>points.</tt>
<p><tt>By 1760 owing to Iroquois pressure and by</tt>
<br><tt>invitation of the Hurons they commenced to form</tt>
<br><tt>settlements in eastern Ohio, and in a short time</tt>
<br><tt>the grater part of the Delawares, together with</tt>
<br><tt>the Munsee (often referred to as distinct) and</tt>
<br><tt>Mahican, had become established on the Muskingum</tt>
<br><tt>and other streams of that region. Being now</tt>
<br><tt>within reach of the French and supported by the</tt>
<br><tt>western tribes, the Delawares were enabled to</tt>
<br><tt>cast off the Iroquois yoke, and up to the treaty</tt>
<br><tt>of Greenville to come in 1795 they were the most</tt>
<br><tt>determined opponents of the advancing whites.</tt>
<p><tt>By permission of the Miami and Piankashaw, about</tt>
<br><tt>1770, they settled in the country between the</tt>
<br><tt>Ohio and White rivers in Indiana, and with the</tt>
<br><tt>sanction of the Spanish Government in 1789 a part</tt>
<br><tt>of them, together with some Shawnee, moved to</tt>
<br><tt>Missouri and later to Arkansas.</tt>
<p><tt>By 1820 the two bands had found their way to</tt>
<br><tt>Texas, where at that time the Delawares numbered</tt>
<br><tt>about 700.</tt>
<p><tt>By 1835 most of the tribe had been gathered on a</tt>
<br><tt>reservation in Kansas, whence they were removed</tt>
<br><tt>in 1867 to Indian Territory (Oklahoma) and</tt>
<br><tt>incorporated with the Cherokee Nation. Another</tt>
<br><tt>band is affiliated with the Caddo and Wichita in</tt>
<br><tt>Western Oklahoma, and in addition there are a few</tt>
<br><tt>scattered remnants in the Untied States and</tt>
<br><tt>several hundred in Canada where they are known as</tt>
<br><tt>Delawares, Munsee, and Moravians.</tt>
<p><tt>After many years of investigation it has been</tt>
<br><tt>narrowed down that John Westley Connor's wife's</tt>
<br><tt>mother (a 1/2 Native American) was probably of</tt>
<br><tt>the Lennie-Lenape tribe because of words and sign</tt>
<br><tt>found in a family Bible, and a letter written</tt>
<br><tt>that she had been carried by her mother from</tt>
<br><tt>eastern Ohio in early winter back to family in</tt>
<br><tt>Harrisburg Pennsylvania after getting away from</tt>
<br><tt>her capturers in Nov. 1856, making E. Helen</tt>
<br><tt>Thomas - her daughter, a breed of 1/2 white and</tt>
<br><tt>1/2 Lenape heritage.</tt>
<p><tt>-----------------------------------------------</tt>
<br><tt>---- Begin Original Message ----</tt>
<br><tt>Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Delaware Indians</tt>
<br><tt>Thanks Wynn for the note,</tt>
<br><tt> The Delawares or Lenape speak an Algonquin</tt>
<br><tt>language. The Delawares lived around</tt>
<br><tt>Westville(present day kansas City)</tt>
<br><tt>andLawrence,Ks. from the 1820's to 1867-68. (One</tt>
<br><tt>of their many stops during the migration west</tt>
<br><tt>from their homeland along the Delaware River</tt>
<br><tt>Valley at European contact. I'll check out</tt>
<br><tt>Dean's site(great site for trade lists, too.) in</tt>
<br><tt>more detail concerning Delawares.</tt>
<br><tt>Thanks again,</tt>
<br><tt>Don Secondine</tt>
<p><tt>--------------------</tt>
<br><tt>>In a post not long go someone asked about</tt>
<br><tt>referances to Delaware Indians in the fur trade.</tt>
<br><tt>I went to Deans AMM site and entered Delware in</tt>
<br><tt>the search.  I go a dozen or so responces</tt>
<br><tt>including Irvings quote:</tt>
<br><tt>></tt>
<br><tt>>. The conference ended, Fontenelle sent a</tt>
<br><tt>Delaware Indian of his party to conduct fifteen</tt>
<br><tt>of the Blackfeet to the camp of Captain Bonneville.</tt>
<br><tt>></tt>
<br><tt>>Also, it is my belief for what that is worth</tt>
<br><tt>that many referances to Iroquois are really not</tt>
<br><tt>being tribe specific.  The Iroquois were a large</tt>
<br><tt>presense and they were known to adopt other</tt>
<br><tt>tribes into the league so it would be easy to</tt>
<br><tt>refer to something like the Iroquois with Peter S</tt>
<br><tt>Ogden when in fact there were more tribes</tt>
<br><tt>represented.   I can not remember now if the</tt>
<br><tt>Delaware were in the same lingistic group as the</tt>
<br><tt>Iroquois but if they are that would make the link</tt>
<br><tt>even closer.</tt>
<br><tt>></tt>
<br><tt>>Sorry to be so slow to respond to your inquiry.</tt>
<br><tt>></tt>
<br><tt>>Wynn Ormond</tt>
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Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 05:43:56 -0700 (PDT)
From: Scott McMahon <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Horses & Gunfire

On Wed, 12 Sep 2001 00:04:48 -0400 (EDT), [e-mail]
wrote:

  Very interesting.  Is some of the concussion dissipated thru her large
  nostrils and larger bone structure of their head, compared to humans?  A
  large animal vet's explanation would be much appreciated here, if not
  too off topic (I was with horse from 80-87).

  ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
  from Michigan
  ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Michigan,

    Never thought of it in such a scientific way before! All I know is that of
all the horses I've ridden she's the only one who likes cannon fire...she
also likes being around large fires??? Like I said, Who Knows!

Dios, Libertad y Tejas,
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Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 08:44:26 -0400
From: "Double Edge Forge" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: AMM-List: Off Topic.....WTC thoughts

Well T. Clark. Go elsewhere.
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Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 08:52:39 -0400
From: "Double Edge Forge" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: AMM-List: Off Topic.....WTC thoughts

Mr. Clark,
 Before you leave, allow me to give you a personal invite to the shop to see
if you can talk to a fella in person the way you do on the list. Probably
not. But I can and I think we could have a rather lively discussion. The
address is 335 N Main St. New Madison Ohio, my # (so you can call to be sure
I am home) is 937-996-0201. Now put up or shut up.
Now back to our regular programming folks.. I am heading for the range for
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Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 09:51:13 -0400
From: tom roberts <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re:MtMan-List:Off Topic...WTC thoughts

Mr. Clark,

Perhaps you have just emerged from a cave and are unaware of
the vicious and cowardly attack on our beloved country yesterday.
Otherwise, there can be no rational explanation for your insult aimed
at Mr. Miles.  Patriots everywhere are rightfully enraged (a term
grossly inadequate to fully portray the total feeling) and if
you do not share this passion then perhaps you may have rejoined the
wrong list and will likely be most uncomfortable here.  My place of
employment is closed and barricaded today, leaving me here to gaze
out at Old Glory now flying from my entry.  It is not at half-staff,
or upside down, as some have suggested. It has not flown in quite
some time but it now waves tall & proud. Words have not been created
to describe what I feel at this moment. Vengeance belongs only to God,
so I believe, but we will be the implementers of justice and the world
will not forget the lesson we teach. If we do it correctly, no one
will ever dare do something like this again.  Need a visual?  Picture
the fool who pokes a grizzly bear with a stick.

T. Roberts


northwoods wrote:
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Double Edge Forge" <[e-mail]>
> To: <[e-mail]>; "History List"
> <[e-mail]>; "scalpdance" <[e-mail]>
> Cc: "Mary Tallent" <[e-mail]>; "Danney & Kathy Ratcliff"
> <[e-mail]>; "Tammy Ratcliff" <[e-mail]>; "Marsha
> Shumate" <[e-mail]>
> Sent: September 11, 2001 9:20 PM
> Subject: MtMan-List: Re: AMM-List: Off Topic.....WTC thoughts
>
> > This day is what all those years of  "understanding and nurturing" gets
> > you...
> > If you oppose this opinion , keep it to your damned self.. You WON'T like
> my
> > answer. I can guarentee it.
> >
> > D
>
> I have been off this list for a year and upon resubscribing for the last
> week  or so am surprised to see Dennis that you are even more of a loud
> mouthed bully than you used to be. You use much more profanity these days.
> Congratulations to you for expanding your horizons.
>
> T. Clark
>
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Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 08:14:03 -0700
From: "John Funk" <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: A Prayer for our Country

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GENTLEMAN,
This is a time for coming together, in solidarity, NOT perpetuating =
division.
I leave you with:



Dear Heavenly Father,

We are deeply moved by the alarming news and crisis that our beloved =
country is facing.

This, our great nation, was founded in the belief that "In God We Trust" =
and the "Land of the Free". Please comfort those who are suffering loss =
of loved ones, hurting and in fear, and give wisdom and strength to =
those who are assisting.

May the forces of evil be broken by Your power and may we humble before =
Thee, our strength and refuge.

Give wisdom to our President and our leaders and bring Your comforting =
peace through the power of Your Holy Spirit. Help us to share the loss =
of those who have been affected by this tragedy.

We ask this in the name of our Lord and Savior, Christ Jesus. - - AMEN

Please send this to all your friends and create a prayer chain =
throughout this nation, and please fly your flag for the next several =
days.




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Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 15:39:51 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List:Off Topic...WTC thoughts

In a message dated 9/12/01 9:51:55 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [e-mail]
writes:

<< I have been off this list for a year and upon resubscribing for the last
 > week  or so am surprised to see Dennis that you are even more of a loud
 > mouthed bully than you used to be. You use much more profanity these days.
 > Congratulations to you for expanding your horizons.
 >
 > T. Clark >>

Mr. Clark,

Where do you live?  How many friends have you lost?  Some on this list have
lost people they love dearly.  Were you frantic yesterday trying to locate a
friend who works in the west portion of the Pentagon?  Where the crap is your
soul, man?  Or are you just one of those who is blessed by saying the worng
thing at just the wrong time?  If so, then just shut your trap!!!!!  My
country was attacked in a heinous, disgusting attack of violence and hate!!!
Of coure I and others are mad....cussing mad!  So shut up or put up!  If you
cannot see the gravity of the situation just back the heck off and try not to
look like any more of a disinterested fool than you already have.

Feel free to respond to me offline.

- -C.Kent

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Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 14:58:36 -0500
From: "John & Nancy McKee" <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List:Off Topic...WTC

Today is a day to mourn our enormous loss, hug our loved ones [even the ones
that sometimes get on our nerves] and count our many blessings.
Bless America and every single American in it.     Long John   #1677










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Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 21:48:53 +0000
From: "darlene secondine" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re:MtMan-List:Off Topic...WTC thoughts

Howdy Tom,
  I respect just about everything you say, and agree. Especially what you
say about striking back for the sake of justice, not revenge.  My hope is
that our leaders do what is necessary to make America safe for my
grandchildren.
  It sounds to me that you are one of the cooler heads that have spoken out
on this topic as was Mr. Kent.  I can't speak for him, but the way I read
his message was a rebuke of juvenile behaviour, not patriotism or outrage at
what took place yesterday.
  Saddened but hopeful,
  Don Secondine



>From: tom roberts <[e-mail]>
>Reply-To: [e-mail]
>To: [e-mail]
>Subject: Re:MtMan-List:Off Topic...WTC thoughts
>Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 09:51:13 -0400
>
>Mr. Clark,
>
>Perhaps you have just emerged from a cave and are unaware of
>the vicious and cowardly attack on our beloved country yesterday.
>Otherwise, there can be no rational explanation for your insult aimed
>at Mr. Miles.  Patriots everywhere are rightfully enraged (a term
>grossly inadequate to fully portray the total feeling) and if
>you do not share this passion then perhaps you may have rejoined the
>wrong list and will likely be most uncomfortable here.  My place of
>employment is closed and barricaded today, leaving me here to gaze
>out at Old Glory now flying from my entry.  It is not at half-staff,
>or upside down, as some have suggested. It has not flown in quite
>some time but it now waves tall & proud. Words have not been created
>to describe what I feel at this moment. Vengeance belongs only to God,
>so I believe, but we will be the implementers of justice and the world
>will not forget the lesson we teach. If we do it correctly, no one
>will ever dare do something like this again.  Need a visual?  Picture
>the fool who pokes a grizzly bear with a stick.
>
>T. Roberts
>
>
>northwoods wrote:
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Double Edge Forge" <[e-mail]>
> > To: <[e-mail]>; "History List"
> > <[e-mail]>; "scalpdance" <[e-mail]>
> > Cc: "Mary Tallent" <[e-mail]>; "Danney & Kathy Ratcliff"
> > <[e-mail]>; "Tammy Ratcliff" <[e-mail]>;
>"Marsha
> > Shumate" <[e-mail]>
> > Sent: September 11, 2001 9:20 PM
> > Subject: MtMan-List: Re: AMM-List: Off Topic.....WTC thoughts
> >
> > > This day is what all those years of  "understanding and nurturing"
>gets
> > > you...
> > > If you oppose this opinion , keep it to your damned self.. You WON'T
>like
> > my
> > > answer. I can guarentee it.
> > >
> > > D
> >
> > I have been off this list for a year and upon resubscribing for the last
> > week  or so am surprised to see Dennis that you are even more of a loud
> > mouthed bully than you used to be. You use much more profanity these
>days.
> > Congratulations to you for expanding your horizons.
> >
> > T. Clark
> >
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Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 21:52:22 +0000
From: "darlene secondine" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: A Prayer for our Country

Yes John,
  In Jesus name, Amen and so be it.
Don Secondine


>From: "John Funk" <[e-mail]>
>Reply-To: [e-mail]
>To: <[e-mail]>
>Subject: MtMan-List: A Prayer for our Country
>Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 08:14:03 -0700
>
>
>GENTLEMAN,
>This is a time for coming together, in solidarity, NOT perpetuating
>division.
>I leave you with:
>
>
>
>Dear Heavenly Father,
>
>We are deeply moved by the alarming news and crisis that our beloved
>country is facing.
>
>This, our great nation, was founded in the belief that "In God We Trust"
>and the "Land of the Free". Please comfort those who are suffering loss of
>loved ones, hurting and in fear, and give wisdom and strength to those who
>are assisting.
>
>May the forces of evil be broken by Your power and may we humble before
>Thee, our strength and refuge.
>
>Give wisdom to our President and our leaders and bring Your comforting
>peace through the power of Your Holy Spirit. Help us to share the loss of
>those who have been affected by this tragedy.
>
>We ask this in the name of our Lord and Savior, Christ Jesus. - - AMEN
>
>Please send this to all your friends and create a prayer chain throughout
>this nation, and please fly your flag for the next several days.
>
>
>


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