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From: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com (hist_text-digest) To: hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: hist_text-digest V1 #837 Reply-To: hist_text Sender: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk hist_text-digest Wednesday, August 1 2001 Volume 01 : Number 837 In this issue: -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Muzzle Blasts -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Clarks Sign Language -áááááá MtMan-List: Flame Retardant Canvas -áááááá MtMan-List: The Journals of L & C -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Clarks Sign Language -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Clarks Sign Language -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Muzzle Blasts -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Muzzle Blasts -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Clarks Sign Language ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2001 23:11:58 EDT From: MarkLoader@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Muzzle Blasts - --part1_82.dcac586.28962a7e_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Has any on seen the TV programs Muzzle Blasts on the Outdoor Channel on Monday nights Roadkill - --part1_82.dcac586.28962a7e_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit <HTML>Has any on seen the TV programs Muzzle Blasts on the Outdoor Channel on Monday nights Roadkill</HTML> - --part1_82.dcac586.28962a7e_boundary-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2001 23:28:46 EDT From: TerryTwoBear@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Clarks Sign Language We being the amm. our officaly recomended book on sign is tompkins .we (AMM) seem to have problems interpiting one book let alone 2. TWO BEAR - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 10:09:57 EDT From: CTOAKES@aol.com Subject: MtMan-List: Flame Retardant Canvas - --part1_4d.f042696.2896c4b5_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 7/27/01 3:52:55 PM Eastern Daylight Time, NaugaMok@aol.com writes: > Supposedly had been treated with "fire retardant" -- yea, right! > > Having been in the business (in one of my former jobs) of inspecting for and providing flame retardant applications for draperies, christmas displays and trees and stuff I will warn you all that there is no such thing as Flame Proof. And all fire retardant chemicals break down with repeated exposure to sunlight and rain, especially acid rain (for those of us living in the east). The application flame retardancy on a regular, repeated, basis is required by law for use of fabric in some public venues such as places of assemble (read that auditoriums) etc. All of the good tent makers for our hobby will tell you that flame retardant canvas IS NOT FLAME PROOF. And several stock and sell the chemicals so you can retreat your canvas after a few seasons, if you wish. When new a flame retradent canvas should not sustain flame, BUT in the presence of open flame, as in your camp fire or a tipped candle, it will burn. So be careful and safe with your fires. Y.M.O.S. C.T. Oakes - --part1_4d.f042696.2896c4b5_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit <HTML>In a message dated 7/27/01 3:52:55 PM Eastern Daylight Time, NaugaMok@aol.com writes: <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Supposedly had been treated with "fire retardant" -- yea, right! </BLOCKQUOTE> Having been in the business (in one of my former jobs) of inspecting for and providing flame retardant applications for draperies, christmas displays and trees and stuff I will warn you all that there is no such thing as Flame Proof. And all fire retardant chemicals break down with repeated exposure to sunlight and rain, especially acid rain (for those of us living in the east). The application flame retardancy on a regular, repeated, basis is required by law for use of fabric in some public venues such as places of assemble (read that auditoriums) etc. All of the good tent makers for our hobby will tell you that flame retardant canvas IS NOT FLAME PROOF. And several stock and sell the chemicals so you can retreat your canvas after a few seasons, if you wish. When new a flame retradent canvas should not sustain flame, BUT in the presence of open flame, as in your camp fire or a tipped candle, it will burn. So be careful and safe with your fires. Y.M.O.S. C.T. Oakes</HTML> - --part1_4d.f042696.2896c4b5_boundary-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 12:18:24 EDT From: LivingInThePast@aol.com Subject: MtMan-List: The Journals of L & C Just a note to let those interested know: Costco is selling a hardbound version of The Journals of Lewis & Clark, edited by Bernard De Voto, published by Houghton Mifflin, copyright 1953, ISBN 0-618-16734-X, for $9.99. Barney - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 13:37:28 EDT From: Hawkengun@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Clarks Sign Language Gentlemen, Tompkins is a very useful book, but it does not compare with Clark's in terms of the amount of research done, nor in the diversity of tribes studied. Clark's work was a treatise done for army officers to use in the field-- it was thoroughly researched and he offers different examples of signs used by different tribes and in different regions. It's just a far more serious piece of work. In addition, Clark got his info shortly after the end of the last Indian wars, Tompkins worked during the reservation-era. Clark's work is earlier and closer to being "period" for reenactors. Clark's book was for use by army officers who would actually be working w/ Indian warrior/scouts. When Tompkins and Clark disagree, it is probably much more accurate to opt for one of Clark's descriptions. To choose Tompkins simply because he has pictures and is therefore easier seems like a cop-out to me. It was the essence of sign language that it wasn't completely uniform from region to region, so why teach otherwise or try to make it uniform today? John R. Sweet Bent's Old Fort NHS - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: 31 Jul 2001 17:31:33 -0600 From: Phyllis and Don Keas <pdkeas@market1.com> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Clarks Sign Language Amen. Don On Wednesday, September 18, 1940, Hawkengun@aol.com wrote: >Gentlemen, > >Tompkins is a very useful book, but it does not compare with Clark's in = terms=20 >of the amount of research done, nor in the diversity of tribes studied. =20 >Clark's work was a treatise done for army officers to use in the field-- = it=20 >was thoroughly researched and he offers different examples of signs used = by=20 >different tribes and in different regions. It's just a far more serious=20 >piece of work. =20 > >In addition, Clark got his info shortly after the end of the last Indian=20 >wars, Tompkins worked during the reservation-era. Clark's work is = earlier=20 >and closer to being "period" for reenactors. Clark's book was for use by=20 >army officers who would actually be working w/ Indian warrior/scouts. = When=20 >Tompkins and Clark disagree, it is probably much more accurate to opt for = one=20 >of Clark's descriptions. > >To choose Tompkins simply because he has pictures and is therefore easier=20 >seems like a cop-out to me. It was the essence of sign language that it=20 >wasn't completely uniform from region to region, so why teach otherwise = or=20 >try to make it uniform today? > >John R. Sweet >Bent's Old Fort NHS > > >---------------------- >hist_text list info: >http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html > - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 20:47:47 EDT From: MarkLoader@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Muzzle Blasts - --part1_86.d66c1e9.2898abb3_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Muzzle Blast Is on Wednesday at 4:00 PM MDT on the Outdoor Channel Roadkill - --part1_86.d66c1e9.2898abb3_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit <HTML>Muzzle Blast Is on Wednesday at 4:00 PM MDT on the Outdoor Channel Roadkill</HTML> - --part1_86.d66c1e9.2898abb3_boundary-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 18:26:19 -0700 From: "pat broehl" <patbroehl@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Muzzle Blasts >From: MarkLoader@aol.com >Muzzle Blast Is on Wednesday at 4:00 PM MDT on the Outdoor Channel >Roadkill To Roadkill, Great! I'll keep an eye pealed. Sounds good. Should be interesting. Thanks, Itsaquain _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 17:18:39 -0400 From: tom roberts <troberts@gdi.net> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Clarks Sign Language Larry, Invent a sign? Can we do that? <G> Good logic on the chronology. Tom larry pendleton wrote: > > Tom, > I was very frustrated that I did not find a sign for lead or round ball. > Then it occurred to me that Clark's book was written in the 1880's and > Tompkin's was written latter than that. Bar lead and round balls were not > commonly used that late. I think you will find that both have a sign for > bullet or cartridge. The sign indicates roughly a 45/70 cartridge. > I use the sign for gun and add a sign that I invented using the index > finger and thumb to form a small circle to make the sign for round ball. I > would think you could add a sign using both hands to indicate the size and > shape of period bar lead, as it was traded to get the sign for bar lead. > Improvise ! Adapt and Overcome ! I figure that is what they did ! > Pendleton > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ End of hist_text-digest V1 #837 ******************************* - To unsubscribe to hist_text-digest, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe hist_text-digest" in the body of the message.