> I think the largest collection is at the Walters Gallery in Baltimore.
They
> have 200 water colors that Walters commissioned, as well as many oils.
They
> only show a few at a time, but they used to have a small room with mostly
> his stuff. If you are a serious researcher, I think you can make
> arrangements to see the entire collection.
>
> I went there last month, and was very disappointed that they are still
> remodeling the gallery, and only one display of some oriental art was on
> view. I went there more than six months ago, and they were remodeling
then
> also. Maybe the art connoisseurs are more interested in the building than
> the art.
>
> There are more of Miller's paintings at the Gilcrease? museum in Tulsa,
> though I have never seen them.
>
> I think that in Bernard deVoto's "Across the Wide Missouri" he listed the
> major repositories of Miller's work in the back of the book. That is how
I
> found out about the Walters Gallery.
>
> I don't have them bookmarked, but I think there are at least 10 of his
> paintings on the internet.
>
> Glenn Darilek
> Iron Burner
>
>
> SWcushing@aol.com wrote:
>
> > Hallo the List,
> >
> > Does anyone know where the original sketches done by Alfred Miller are
> > located? I think someone once said they were in France somewhere, and
I've
> > got a kid over there that would take some pictures of them, if she knew
> where
> > to go....
> >
> > Ymos,
> > Magpie
> >
>
>
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Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 21:05:47 -0700
From: "Larry Huber" <shootsprairie@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Clarks Sign Language
If I remember my Thompkins, it is very similar to "shoots" as "shoots a
gun".
"Shoots-the-Prairie" Larry Huber
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> Being somewhat of a cheater. (I have a copy of Clark's book) It is the
sign
> for GUN!!
>
> Damn Turtle ! I do believe you're right. There are several varitions of
> that sign. Most use that sign along with a motion like you were aiming a
> gun.
> Pendleton
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Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 21:41:08 +0800
From: "todd glover" <tetontodd@juno.com>
Subject: MtMan-List: A.J. MillerBook
Gentlemen,
Bidding Update. So far, Hardtack is the high bidder for the "West of Alfred Jacob Miller." His generous bid is $100.00. Anyone interested has until Saturday at 8:00 p.m. to bid.
Thanks for the bids!
"Teton" Todd Glover
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Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 18:01:17 -0500
From: John Kramer <kramer@kramerize.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: oil cloth
Roadkill,
Up through late '98 the archive can be sorted by thread which makes it
pretty fast to scan through for relevant information. It sometimes can be
helpful and sometimes the subject line is missing or has no relationship to
the discussion.
I have been surprised at the postings that turn up in Google searches and a
cleverly worded search string or two may help pin point what you
want. Other than that I can't offer a lot of help.
John...
At 09:19 PM 7/25/01 -0400, you wrote:
>John
>You mention the archives. Is there a way to find information in them without
>looking thru every post.
>Roadkill
Use it up, wear it out, make do, or do without.
John Kramer <kramer@kramerize.com>
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Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 20:38:31 EDT
From: ThisOldFox@aol.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: oil cloth
John,
You have some valuable stuff in the archives concerning period finishes and
compounds, however I don't believe it relates directly to the topic being
discussed.
These oilcloth tarps are all the present rage. At some point in time, some
reenactor looked up the definition of oilcloth and discovered it was made
from cloth saturated with linseed. I don't believe it was made this way in
days of yore.
Oilcloth was a common material, sold in general and dry goods stores. It was
used for a variety of purposes, the most common being tablecloths, shelf
liners, and for wrapping food. I recall seeing it in stores when I was a
kid. It was on large rolls like butcher paper back in one corner of the
counter. There was always a puddle of oil under it.
What we are trying to discern is not how boiled linseed differs today from
before. We are trying to gain an insight into what "was" actually used. I'm
sure that it is still made in various parts of the world using the old
formula. Mine came off a old roll that a trader had bought when an old
warehouse was sold out. He said it was the last remaining roll he could
locate.
The oil in mine is odorless, tasteless, and colorless. I haven't done a burn
test on it, but from its characteristics it seems to have a very high flash
point. It has never dried after about 5 years.
Dave Kanger
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Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 21:17:35 -0600
From: "Walt Foster" <Wfoster@cw2.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Buck Conner
Hey Buck,
Did you see the latest in the Ice Man Otzi's saga?
Did you ever get the list started you mentioned last time around?
Walt
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Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 01:17:34 EDT
From: SWcushing@aol.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: oil cloth
In a message dated 7/23/01 9:26:12 PM, rjbublitz@earthlink.net writes:
<< Is egyptian
cotton readily available? I did a search about a month ago and came up
empty handed. I've heard of this material, and it's suitability for
oilcloth, but I couldn't fing it >>
Hallo Hardtack,
I'm back....and what's it been, about 3 1/2 days drying on the oil cloth, and
it's dry to the touch. Still stinks a bit, but looks pretty good. I've got a
few touch ups to do on the off side, and then I'll let it dry a week or so
before I drench it with a garden hose, to see how water proof it really
is.....
The Egyptian cotton I got at Fred Myers, and is nothing more than a queen
size sheet. I squared it up, and used the left over material to reinforce the
corners where I added loops. So far, I'm pleased with what I've got.... a
light weight, strong, and hopefully water proof fly.... I will run a bunch of
tests on it, including a flash/fire test on a sample....later.
I do have a question for John ...(next post)
Magpie
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Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 01:24:52 EDT
From: SWcushing@aol.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: oil cloth
In a message dated 7/25/01 12:22:40 PM, kramer@kramerize.com writes:
<< If you use modern boiled linseed oil DO NOT EXPECT A PERIOD RESULT!!! It
is not what boiled linseed oil once was. Modern processing has changed the
properties of the finished product. >>
John....
I can't find it in the archives brother, so if you would, please tell me the
difference between boiled linseed oil then, and boiled linseed oil now....
And, how can I make a "period" oil cloth...
It was my understanding Mark Baker was doing it (making oil cloth) about as
close as it can be done.
Ymos,
Magpie
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Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 00:58:22 -0500
From: John Kramer <kramer@kramerize.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: oil cloth
Dave,
The difference is in using petroleum products as driers in the oil rather
than heat and litharge as was done. I've commented on it so many times I
thought it should be common knowledge by now.
Any linseed treated material will not be colorless, tasteless or odorless
boiled or raw. I suspect mineral oil was used on any that may be. I have
one of the tentmaker made commercial oil cloth tarps and frankly don't have
a clue what they use, I don't think I want to know, it is not
odorless. Reproofing cream, like that made by Australian Outback for
treating their oilskin garments, is: "a special blend of micro & technical
waxes and polymers." I suspect it is similar to the materials used in
treating the commercial oil cloth tarps sold by tent makers. It doesn't
seem as strong an aroma. None of the current commercial materials smell
like old stuff to me and I smell mostly old stuff each and every day. Some
are very reminiscent of things I used to write industrial safety reports
about, a quarter century ago. The treated garments all include significant
quantities of wax in their formulae.
Linseed was used early on for various types of oil cloth; it was not a
singular product. Floor covers were commonly made of a linseed oil treated
cloth as was real linoleum. Some less drying cloth was made for wrapping
and protecting things like tools, the rolls you remember leaking oil and
never drying. There are other period receipts for waterproofing cloth that
use no oil whatsoever. Best use in the mountains would be to protect the
food supply from the elements. A dry pack to hang outside the reach of Ol'
Ephraim.
Traditionally a tarpaulin is cloth coated with tar, wax or paint. Oil
cloth though stated as oil and pigment treated, is at least as often more a
painted cloth. Much of the oilcloth sold at the hardware store was used
for shelf paper and table cloths; it had a finished surface. If the
surface of these didn't harden sufficiently the housewife couldn't have
used it, it would have collected too much dirt and grease too quickly and
been nearly impossible to clean.
One linseed commentary I found in the archives is linked below:
