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Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 09:06:17 +0800
From: buck_conner@email.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: trade gun?
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From: jim gossett <gjme@negia.net>
Subject: MtMan-List: trade gun?
> I recently bought an origninal Trade Gun but it is somewhat puzzling. The gun is 58 cal smoothbore 38.5 inch barrel The flint lock is over 1.5 wide x 7" long with an 1810 date .Inside the lock on the tumbler is a number 44 . The lock also has a bridle. The ramrod pipes are very much like the 2nd model Brown Bess even the ram rod entrance pipe. All brass mountings small trihher guard like a Wilson but without the fineal. flat butt plate (brass) . The barrel has a fixed rear site and is painted black with this stamped on the barrel JPR | EXR|3. The gun is very well put together wood to metal fit etc.There is a V scratched on the inside of lock inside of the buttplate on the under side of the barrel and in the stock channel .The ramrod is metal and the frant site is like a bayonet stud . Any help would be good. Gentleman James
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Dick,
Sounds like a parts gun, don't get excited "GJ", nothing wrong with a parts gun, I have one myself, it's a trade gun built out of left over pieces. Have seen several of these, according to what I have been told by Curly G., Charley H. and a few other collectors, they where usually assembled at the end of finishing a government contract. Like we need 4 more guns to finish the order and we're out of 42" barrels but have a few shorter barrels from another contract or the hardware is a little different but will do.
Remember many of these companies where just assemblers of parts provided by other firms in Europe, probably the beginning of the "cottage industries" like we saw in the "hippie" days according to Hanson.
I have a pre 1813 Sutherland, proofed, stamped w/ sitting fox, all the right marks and it has a Brown Bess style side plate ? Charley & Curly took one look and told me just what I told you.
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Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 20:34:06 -0500
From: Victoria Pate <vapate@juno.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: oil cloth
On Mon, 23 Jul 2001 21:33:34 -0700 "Randal Bublitz"
<rjbublitz@earthlink.net> writes:
>
> Magpie, I'm ignorant on fine sheets and such. Is egyptian
> cotton readily available?
Randy,
Egyptian cotton has been readily available for say,
oh..... 'bout 5K years. <G>
Egyptian cotton sheets can be found at the finer department
stores. You can also buy Egyptian cotton fabric. Look
on the net for both.
Victoria
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Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 21:39:23 -0500
From: jim gossett <gjme@negia.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: trade gun?
PARTS GUN VERY WELL COULD BE.THE WOOD TO METAL FIT IS SECOND TO NONE. THANKS FOR THE HELP. MAYBE SOME ONE ELSE HAS A DIFFERENT SLANT .WE"LL SEE.
buck_conner@email.com wrote:
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> From: jim gossett <gjme@negia.net>
> Subject: MtMan-List: trade gun?
> > I recently bought an origninal Trade Gun but it is somewhat puzzling. The gun is 58 cal smoothbore 38.5 inch barrel The flint lock is over 1.5 wide x 7" long with an 1810 date .Inside the lock on the tumbler is a number 44 . The lock also has a bridle. The ramrod pipes are very much like the 2nd model Brown Bess even the ram rod entrance pipe. All brass mountings small trihher guard like a Wilson but without the fineal. flat butt plate (brass) . The barrel has a fixed rear site and is painted black with this stamped on the barrel JPR | EXR|3. The gun is very well put together wood to metal fit etc.There is a V scratched on the inside of lock inside of the buttplate on the under side of the barrel and in the stock channel .The ramrod is metal and the frant site is like a bayonet stud . Any help would be good. Gentleman James
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> Dick,
>
> Sounds like a parts gun, don't get excited "GJ", nothing wrong with a parts gun, I have one myself, it's a trade gun built out of left over pieces. Have seen several of these, according to what I have been told by Curly G., Charley H. and a few other collectors, they where usually assembled at the end of finishing a government contract. Like we need 4 more guns to finish the order and we're out of 42" barrels but have a few shorter barrels from another contract or the hardware is a little different but will do.
>
> Remember many of these companies where just assemblers of parts provided by other firms in Europe, probably the beginning of the "cottage industries" like we saw in the "hippie" days according to Hanson.
>
> I have a pre 1813 Sutherland, proofed, stamped w/ sitting fox, all the right marks and it has a Brown Bess style side plate ? Charley & Curly took one look and told me just what I told you.
>
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>
> Take care,
> Buck Conner
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> ~ AMM ~ LENAPE ~ NRA ~ HRD ~
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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> "Rival the best - Surpass the rest".
> ___________ Aux Aliments de Pays! _
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
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Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 21:28:27 -0500
From: "Lanney Ratcliff" <amm1585@hyperusa.com>
Subject: MtMan-List: completely off any period subject
In about an hour.....a little before 10:30pm Central time the space shuttle
should enter the atmosphere and cross west to east toward Florida,
essentially crossing right above my house here in Central Texas. If you
want to see it be ready cause it don't take long to make the trip. I saw
this once and it was spectacular, so get out and watch your tax dollars at
work.
Lanney Ratcliff
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Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 22:41:19 -0400
From: "'bella" <smprice1@bellatlantic.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: completely off any period subject
been there done that, lived in Fla watched up close take off, and was
watching that ill fated day too...
the clap of sound it makes when it hits atmosphere is awesome.. try being
in Tampa as it makes it approach to
Canaveral.... one of the few tax dollars I do not mind donating....
At 09:28 PM 7/24/2001 -0500, you wrote:
>In about an hour.....a little before 10:30pm Central time the space shuttle
>should enter the atmosphere and cross west to east toward Florida,
>essentially crossing right above my house here in Central Texas. If you
>want to see it be ready cause it don't take long to make the trip. I saw
>this once and it was spectacular, so get out and watch your tax dollars at
>work.
>Lanney Ratcliff
>
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<BR>Crazy Cyot barrowed me a copy of WP Clarks Indian Sign Language. I=
t has
<BR>some interesting variations from Tomkins (besides the sign for
<BR>copulation). Below is one of the signs that I believe is vastly be=
tter
<BR>than what Tomkins gives. I am going to give the description then s=
ee
<BR>who can guess what the meaning is first. By the way I am on the di=
gest
<BR>Email so I may be slow in answering the guesses.
<BR>
<BR>=E2=80=9CHold the right hand, back out, some eight inches in front of th=
e neck,
<BR>hand partially closed, palmer surface of thumb pressing agianst the
<BR>nails of the first three fingers, edge of hand pointed upward; elevate
<BR>hand some inches, at same time extend and separate fingers and thumb
<BR>with a snap. . . .=E2=80=9D
<BR>
<BR>Another interesting note Clark claims that if he used a different sign
<BR>than the one that individual usually used the Indain would adopt Clark=
=E2=80=99s
<BR>sign for the rest of the conversation. He said he had to be carefu=
l not
<BR>to plant signs and give the impression that there were few variations
<BR>from tribe to tribe or area to area.
<BR>
<BR>Wynn Ormond
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Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 22:57:39 -0600
From: "Walt Foster" <Wfoster@cw2.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Fort Buenaventura Rondezvous
> Richard James
> (who put on the first Ft. Buena Ventura Rendezvous in the winter before
the
> fort was even there and also started the Fort Bridger Rendezvous. What
else
> do you want to know??)
Hey old timer,
Have you ever been to Montana. BTW, what was the date of the 1st Fort
Bridger Rendezvous? Always enjoy your thoughtful posts.
Cheers,
Walt
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Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 01:43:50 EDT
From: MarkLoader@aol.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Fort Bridger
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I went to the second Fort Bridger Rondezvous in 1974
Roadkill
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Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 08:30:46 EDT
From: CTOAKES@aol.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: oil cloth
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In a message dated 7/24/01 9:15:26 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
dlsmith@about.com writes:
> had a friend back here in PA have
>
You also need to watch them around camp fires. We have a club member that
was on a trek with an oil cloth diamond shelter he had made. Had all his kit
in the shelter and was cooking breakfast when the wind took a little spark up
onto the oil cloth. Burned so fast that it barely damaged the items he had
in the shelter but his smoothbore now has a two tone stock as the fire
darkened the wood on the side facing up. So be careful that you keep the
fires away from oil cloth and down wind.
Y.M.O.S.
C.T. Oakes
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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=2>In a message dated 7/24/01 9:15:26 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
<BR>dlsmith@about.com writes:
<BR>
<BR>
<BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">had a friend back here in PA have
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<BR>
<BR>You also need to watch them around camp fires. We have a club member that
<BR>was on a trek with an oil cloth diamond shelter he had made. Had all his kit
<BR>in the shelter and was cooking breakfast when the wind took a little spark up
<BR>onto the oil cloth. Burned so fast that it barely damaged the items he had
<BR>in the shelter but his smoothbore now has a two tone stock as the fire
<BR>darkened the wood on the side facing up. So be careful that you keep the
<BR>fires away from oil cloth and down wind.
<BR>
<BR>Y.M.O.S.
<BR>
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Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 07:23:09 -0700
From: "Ole B. Jensen" <olebjensen@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Fort Buenaventura Rondezvous
> THIS MESSAGE IS IN MIME FORMAT. Since your mail reader does not understand
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Scott,
Yes it has been canceled. Fort Bridger Rendezvous is happening at the same
time.
Ole
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From: "Scott Gottschall" <massage@networld.com>
To: "MtMan List" <hist_text@xmission.com>
Subject: MtMan-List: Fort Buenaventura Rondezvous
Date: Tue, Jul 24, 2001, 11:06 AM
I heard a rumor yesterday that the Rondezvous over Labaor Day Weekend was
cancelled at Fort Buenaventura in Ogden, Ut. Any truth to that? Does
anyone know of any other Rondezvous in Utah that weekend?
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Scott,<BR>
Yes it has been canceled. Fort Bridger Rendezvous is happening at the same =
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Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 13:05:11 EDT
From: SWcushing@aol.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: oil cloth
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In a message dated 7/25/01 5:32:15 AM Pacific Daylight Time, CTOAKES@aol.com
writes:
> Burned so fast that it barely damaged the items he had
> in the shelter but his smoothbore now has a two tone stock as the fire
> darkened the wood on the side facing up. So be careful that you keep the
> fires away from oil cloth and down wind.
>
> Y.M.O.S.
>
Geeezes..... You guys are taking the fun right outta the oil cloth work! I'm
in LA for a couple days (watching my girl play basketball), so I'll check on
the oil cloth when I get back. Hopefully, my house won't be a big charcoal
briquette....<G>
Ymos,
Magpie
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<BR>writes:
<BR>
<BR>
<BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Burned so fast that it barely damaged the items he had
<BR>in the shelter but his smoothbore now has a two tone stock as the fire
<BR>darkened the wood on the side facing up. So be careful that you keep the
