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hist_text-digest Sunday, June 24 2001 Volume 01 : Number 820
In this issue:
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Mules north of the yellowstone
-áááááá RE: MtMan-List: Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 20:19:55 -0500
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Something useful
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 20:19:55 -0500
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 20:19:55 -0500
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 20:19:55 -0500
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 20:19:55 -0500
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 20:19:55 -0500
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: AMM National
-áááááá Fw: MtMan-List: AMM National
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: AMM National
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: AMM National
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Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 20:02:03 -0600
From: Angela Gottfred <agottfre@telusplanet.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Mules north of the yellowstone
Well, here is one mule north of the Yellowstone--waay north! On Sept 17,
1809, Alexander Henry the Younger wrote that Gros Blanc, a Blackfoot chief,
"appears to be upwards of sixty years of age and generally rides on a White
Mule." (Gough 2:399)This was at Fort Vermilion, near the present city of
Vermilion, Alberta.
Here's another which is north of the Missouri, at the Mandan Villages, at
the same time that Lewis & Clark were there: "bought a stout mule for which
I paid : 1 gun, 1 large axe, 1 awl, 1 looking glass, 1 fathom Hudson's Bay
red strouds, 1 fothom tobacco, 2 flints, 3 strings pipe beads, 300 balls
and powder, 2 knives, 2 wormers, and a little vermillon." 19 Dec 1804,
F.-A. Larocque. (Wood & Thiessen, 67) Expensive!!
Mules were very rare in the Canadian fur trade during the 1774-1821 time
frame; these are the only ones I've found in a ton of reading.
As always, if you want the details on my references, just ask. The two
volume set of the journals of Alexander Henry the Younger is now available
online; this is Barry Gough's recent edition, done for the Champlain
Society, and it is a must read if you're interested in the North West
Company, Red River Metis, Blackfoot culture, and/or Astoria. Henry's
journals span the period from 1800 to 1814, and he had an excellent eye for
detail and never sugar-coated *anything*! Search for Gough or Henry at
www.canadiana.org to find the books; they're in Adobe Acrobat (.pdf)
format. My apologies if I've already told you guys about this, but it is
one awesome resource!
Your humble & obedient servant,
Angela Gottfred
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Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 19:40:15 -0700
From: "Randal Bublitz" <rjbublitz@earthlink.net>
Subject: RE: MtMan-List: Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 20:19:55 -0500
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Hi Lanney, etc...., I'm just about ready to roll to
Montana. A bunch of us are canoeing the White Cliffs area of the Missouri
next week. Afterwords, most of us are heading for National. See you
there. Hardtack
Is this thing on??? I have seen precious little on here in
days. Are we
down or does everybody actually have a life?
Lanney Ratcliff
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<DIV>Hi Lanney, etc...., I'm just about ready to roll to Montana. A bunch of us are canoeing the White Cliffs area of the Missouri next week. Afterwords, most of us are heading for National. See you there. Hardtack</DIV>
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<DIV>Is this thing on??? I have seen precious little on here in days. Are we</DIV>
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Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 21:36:50 -0500
From: John Kramer <kramer@kramerize.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Something useful
I found the linked chart interesting and useful.
http://netnow.micron.net/~atlatl/metric.htm
John...
"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for
lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote."
Benjamin Franklin 1759
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Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 23:16:50 -0400
From: Linda Holley <tipis@mediaone.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 20:19:55 -0500
Well, after all the mules, hellos' and now i for get the other topics...it is
nice to see a quiet board. For those of us who are stuck at home in the
Fla. humidity, Thunder storms and fires....I could use some quiet.
Linda Holley
Lanney Ratcliff wrote:
> Is this thing on??? I have seen precious little on here in days. Are we
> down or does everybody actually have a life?
> Lanney Ratcliff
>
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Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 23:23:07 -0400
From: "'bella" <smprice1@bellatlantic.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 20:19:55 -0500
and for us stuck up here in the northeast, piggsburgh.. flash floods and al
that... i can finally catch
up on the list reading.
anyone going to the eastern primitive in Sept?
'bella
At 11:16 PM 6/22/2001 -0400, you wrote:
>Well, after all the mules, hellos' and now i for get the other topics...it is
>nice to see a quiet board. For those of us who are stuck at home in the
>Fla. humidity, Thunder storms and fires....I could use some quiet.
>
>Linda Holley
>
>Lanney Ratcliff wrote:
>
> > Is this thing on??? I have seen precious little on here in days. Are we
> > down or does everybody actually have a life?
> > Lanney Ratcliff
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Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 23:48:22 -0400
From: "Tim Jewell" <tjewell@home.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 20:19:55 -0500
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From: "'bella" <smprice1@bellatlantic.net>
> anyone going to the eastern primitive in Sept?
> 'bella
Hi 'bella,
I'll be at the Eastern. So far plans are to be there for early setup on
Wed. or Thurs. and staying until it's over.
Maybe those of us who go can set up a place to meet. Sure would be nice to
put some faces with the names.
Tim
tjewell@home.com
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Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2001 00:17:13 EDT
From: SWzypher@aol.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 20:19:55 -0500
In a message dated 6/22/1 7:23:01 PM, amm1585@hyperusa.com writes:
<< does everybody actually have a life?>>
Possibly. Scarey, huh?
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Date: 23 Jun 2001 10:36:42 -0600
From: Phyllis and Don Keas <pdkeas@market1.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2001 20:19:55 -0500
A life? Of my own? My oldest daughter just gave me my first grandchild & =
my youngest just gopt married. What life?
On Saturday, August 10, 1940, Lanney Ratcliff <amm1585@hyperusa.com> wrote:=
>Is this thing on??? I have seen precious little on here in days. Are we
>down or does everybody actually have a life?
>Lanney Ratcliff
>
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Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2001 20:50:42 EDT
From: MarkLoader@aol.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: AMM National
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Going to Idaho Got any sugestions for must see places between there and
Colorado.
I got a few in mind Henry's 1910 camp and 1911 fort, Fort Hall, Fort Bridger,&
Pine Dale Museum Of the Mountain Man. May be just good places to stop and
think.
Thanks Roadkill
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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=2>Going to Idaho Got any sugestions for must see places between there and
<BR>Colorado.
<BR>I got a few in mind Henry's 1910 camp and 1911 fort, Fort Hall, Fort Bridger,&
<BR> Pine Dale Museum Of the Mountain Man. May be just good places to stop and
<BR>think.
<BR>Thanks Roadkill</FONT></HTML>
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Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2001 21:28:49 -0500
From: "Lanney Ratcliff" <amm1585@hyperusa.com>
Subject: Fw: MtMan-List: AMM National
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If you are going near Delta in west central Colorado you should budget =
at least a couple of hours to tour Fort Uncompahgre. It is exceptional. =
An absolutely don't miss place.
Lanney Ratcliff
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Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2001 01:25:32 -0500
From: John Kramer <kramer@kramerize.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: AMM National
Roadkill,
If you're taking a northerly route; I enjoy the Lander Cut-off across the
Grey's River range. Allow a little extra time.
Cheese in the Star Valley is quite tasty.
The Elk antler arch across the highway in Afton, WY is worth seeing.
John...
At 08:50 PM 6/23/01 -0400, you wrote:
>Going to Idaho Got any sugestions for must see places between there and
>Colorado.
>I got a few in mind Henry's 1910 camp and 1911 fort, Fort Hall, Fort
>Bridger,&
>Pine Dale Museum Of the Mountain Man. May be just good places to stop and
>think.
>Thanks Roadkill
If it ain't exactly right, it's wrong.
john <kramer@kramerize.com>
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Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2001 21:18:01 -0600
From: "Kim & Jen" <kimanjen@wyoming.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: AMM National
depent when you come this way, you could also stop at the 1838 rendezvous at
riverton wyoming: june 29th till july 4th.
we always have a good time and enjoy visiting with everybody
jenaka
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From: "John Kramer" <kramer@kramerize.com>
To: <hist_text@lists.xmission.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2001 12:25 AM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: AMM National
> Roadkill,
>
> If you're taking a northerly route; I enjoy the Lander Cut-off across the
> Grey's River range. Allow a little extra time.
>
> Cheese in the Star Valley is quite tasty.
>
> The Elk antler arch across the highway in Afton, WY is worth seeing.
>
> John...
>
>
> At 08:50 PM 6/23/01 -0400, you wrote:
> >Going to Idaho Got any sugestions for must see places between there and
> >Colorado.
> >I got a few in mind Henry's 1910 camp and 1911 fort, Fort Hall, Fort
> >Bridger,&
> >Pine Dale Museum Of the Mountain Man. May be just good places to stop and
> >think.
> >Thanks Roadkill
>
> If it ain't exactly right, it's wrong.
> john <kramer@kramerize.com>
>
>
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