<BR>The Shoshoni called the head waters of the Yellowstone home and were one of
<BR>the few tribe that would enter the giser basins of now Yellowstone Park.
<BR>Russell talked of running in to a band of sheep eaters there.
<BR>The book Clay was talking about Ewers book entitled "The Horse in Blackfoot
<BR>Indian Culture" You really do need to read this book.
<BR>Some more from the Appendix Buffalo- Back-Fat noted Blood head chief prior to
<BR>1850, is said to have been especially fond of mules. He is reputed to have
<BR>owned as many as 60 mules at one time.
<BR>Weasel Tail claimed that Blood Indians early learned from the Nez Perce how
<BR>these hybrids were bred from the union of a mare and a donkey.
<BR>Weasel Head, a Piegan informant, claimed to have stolen six mules from the
<BR>Crow in the days of intertribal warfare.
<BR>The Crow liked to get these animals for dragging lodge poles.
<BR>Wilson indicated Hidatsa preference for mules as pack animals.
<BR>Walt
<BR>The Hidatsa and Crow were related and did a lot of tradeing. The Hidatsa and
<BR>Mandan are considered one of diffusion centers for horses and mules for the
<BR>northern plains before 1805. So were the Shoshoni who the Crow were always at
<BR>war with and would raid for horses. So if you are saying the Crow did not
<BR>have or use mules during the fur trade ya better think again.
<BR>Like I said before your betting a dead Mule here.
<BR>Crazy Cyot
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Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 13:30:34 EDT
From: EmmaPeel2@aol.com
Subject: MtMan-List: URGENT -- Fort St. Vrain endangered - HELP!!
With Marcellin St. Vrain's descendents, I was just in Plattesville, CO where nasty plans are afoot to turn the property immediately adjacent to Fort St Vrain into one big gravel mine. The Fort St. Vrain site is on the Colorado Historic Register, but a full scale archaeological investigation has never been adequately done. We suspect there are graves onsite, not to mention numerous artifacts which can enlighten us all on the busy fur trade days. We would also like to investigate Chief Friday's claim that there was a massacre en site.
The Weld County Commission is meeting soon to decide on whether to allow S&H Gravel to strip the adjacent lot, which is not only a historical haven, but populated by bald eagles, mountain lions, etc.
The majority of Platteville residents are opposed to destroying the ecology of the site -- however the big money may rule the day. IF anyone out there can call or write the Weld County commission to sway them, it would be much appreciated.
I will post the pertinent addresses tomorrow as soon as I return from Platteville..
Also, the St. Vrain descendents are joining in the Rendezvous at Bent's Fort at the end of July...come on out! :) AJC Westwood
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Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 12:03:41 -0600
From: "Walt Foster" <Wfoster@cw2.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Mules north of the yellowstone.
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Crazy, there were 4 bands of Shoshone. Only the Sheepeaters used the =
headwaters of the Yellowstone during the time of the trappers from 1825 =
- - 1840 and they did not use horses.
The Blackfeet were west of the Yellowstone and north. The Bloods you =
mention were as far as 600 miles north of the present day Canadian =
border. As I said none of my Crow friends have any recollection of =
mules in their family history which is still going on. The Crows held =
the most horses on the northern plains before the Sioux intrusion. The =
Crow traded with the Shoshone and others over 400 miles south and west =
of here. I have read the book. What I am saying is that I have not =
found any indication of trappers use of mules in the Rocky Mountain Fur =
Trade north of the Yellowstone and south of the Missouri from the time =
of Coulter to 1840.
Walt
Walt=20
The Shoshoni called the head waters of the Yellowstone home and were =
one of=20
the few tribe that would enter the giser basins of now Yellowstone =
Park.=20
Russell talked of running in to a band of sheep eaters there.=20
The book Clay was talking about Ewers book entitled "The Horse in =
Blackfoot=20
Indian Culture" You really do need to read this book.=20
Some more from the Appendix Buffalo- Back-Fat noted Blood head chief =
prior to=20
1850, is said to have been especially fond of mules. He is reputed to =
have=20
owned as many as 60 mules at one time.=20
Weasel Tail claimed that Blood Indians early learned from the Nez =
Perce how=20
these hybrids were bred from the union of a mare and a donkey.=20
Weasel Head, a Piegan informant, claimed to have stolen six mules from =
the=20
Crow in the days of intertribal warfare.=20
The Crow liked to get these animals for dragging lodge poles.=20
Wilson indicated Hidatsa preference for mules as pack animals.=20
Walt=20
The Hidatsa and Crow were related and did a lot of tradeing. The =
Hidatsa and=20
Mandan are considered one of diffusion centers for horses and mules =
for the=20
northern plains before 1805. So were the Shoshoni who the Crow were =
always at=20
war with and would raid for horses. So if you are saying the Crow did =
not=20
have or use mules during the fur trade ya better think again.=20
Like I said before your betting a dead Mule here.=20
Crazy Cyot=20
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