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Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2001 10:33:53 -0500
From: John Kramer <kramer@kramerize.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Period Shovels
Millers sketches or painting. Too much of Miller was done later in studio
and numerous later "interpretations" have been identified. Are there
listings for picks?
John...
At 09:15 PM 6/7/01 -0700, you wrote:
> >Hello the list,
> >
> >I've been hard at work getting a correct outfit together for late 1830's
> >trapper. My next project is a shovel or other correct digging implement and
> >as usual I have a couple of questions. First, are there any period accounts
> >of a trappers using/carrying shovels? I've seen accounts of digging caches
> >and such but I haven't seen any reference to what they dug with. Second,
> >since I will still need something for the drop and parks, does anybody have
> >a description or a picture of a period shovel or whatever they used?
> >
> >Thanks,
> >Tim
> >
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>About your qestion wheather or not trappers carried/used shovels. Jacob
>Miller drew a picture of 2 trappers digging a cache. They're kinna hard to
>see, Miller was probly more interested in the view then the trappers.
>They're down in the left hand bottom corner. One of them has a pick ready
>to strike. If they had picks, how much you wanna bet they had shovels.
>Dirty Shirt
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Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2001 13:00:53 EDT
From: GazeingCyot@cs.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Shovels
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John you said
> I have a fry pan you could dig a pretty good cache with. A digging stick
> would do. A large knife could suffice.
I can tell it has been a while since you have done much digging John.
We are talking about a hole two feet in diameter carried down to a depth of
three feet, when it is gradually enlarged, and depend until it becomes
sufficiently capacious to contain whatever is destined to be stored in it.
This is how Ferris describes how a Cache was made.
This hole at a minimum would be six feet deep. From the lists of things that
were put in some of these Caches they were much deeper then that.
All done with a fry pan and not written about??
Done with a digging stick? I've dug Camas with a digging stick and was amazed
that the Indian woman were able to do so and feed their families and put
enough away for later use. But a hole this size in rocky ground and not
written about, No way.
Using a knife is totally out of the question. You would not abuse your knife
like that it would last you very long at all.
From what I've read a cache was made in a day or less time. Done with a fry
pan or digging stick or knife I think not.
All I can say is those six shovels sure did see a lot of use over that twenty
years. From all the caches that were dug during that time.
Larry
No I haven't seen one of Dave Conte's shovels. If your coming to Nationals
bring it along and we'll put it to use digging Camas.
See ya down the Trail
Crazy Cyot
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