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hist_text-digest        Friday, April 20 2001        Volume 01 : Number 788



In this issue:

-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: steer  skull
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: steer  skull
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Commercial Question
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: steer  skull
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: steer  skull
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Commercial Question
-áááááá MtMan-List: Was tents, now Don Strinz
-áááááá MtMan-List: Laura Glise Update
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Commercial Question
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: READ THIS!!!  FATAL ADVICE
-áááááá MtMan-List: Rope: Buffalo hair horsehair
-áááááá MtMan-List: Latitude and LAN
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Latitude and LAN
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Latitude and LAN
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: html garbage
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: steer  skull
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: steer  skull
-áááááá MtMan-List: pyramid tents
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: 49er tent
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Re: [mlml] sinew Gene Hickman
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Rope: Buffalo hair horsehair
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: 49er tent
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: 49er tent
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Latitude and LAN

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Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 21:23:09 -0700
From: "larry pendleton" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: steer  skull

Richard James wrote :
The earlier
gentleman's words of caution are in good taste as I have read several times
of grave illnesses and fatalities with American housewives for using this
combination in a rather confined bathroom area while cleaning and
sanitizing.
Probably a good idea to rinse out a good part of the amonia before the
charge of Clorox in view of what has been said.

Richard,
  My experience come from running dairy for 20 years.  Even in a open area
the fumes of a mixture like that can seriously burn your lungs.
  Rinsing the skull out will help, but after doing that,set it aside for a
couple of days before using the other cleaning agent.  That will allow the
first one to dissipate.

Pendleton


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Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 22:20:00 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: steer  skull

In a message dated 4/19/01 9:30:46 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
[e-mail] writes:

<< how can i bleach a steer skull so its nice and white ? >>

Regular Hydrogen Peroxide (3% IIRC) and sunlight. Keep an eye on the
progress, so it doesn't start to eat into the bone. If it does, you'll be
able to use it as sidewalk chalk. When it gets to the point of your liking,
rinse and/or soak throughly in water to stop the action.  I've talked with
folks who have used Bleach and sunlight, but it seems to be much harder to
control the final result.   Barney

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Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 22:28:14 -0400
From: "D. Miles" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Commercial Question

Magpie..
 Uh huh... No problem.... I will whip one up for a little less than a coach
ticket.. and I serve better food & booze..<G>

D


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Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 22:35:51 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: steer  skull

In a message dated 4/19/1 07:17:54 PM, [e-mail] writes:

<<Richard,

  My experience come from running dairy for 20 years.  Even in a open area

the fumes of a mixture like that can seriously burn your lungs.

  Rinsing the skull out will help, but after doing that,set it aside for a

couple of days before using the other cleaning agent.  That will allow the

first one to dissipate.


Pendleton

>>

Larry.  I appreciate your traditionally good-hearted advice.  Too bad I
didn't get it a quarter of a century ago as I have done a number of buffalo
skulls during this period with good results on the skulls but fatal for
myself.  As the man once said, "If I were alive today, I'd be a very sick
man".

Your distant friend
Richard James

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Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 21:54:11 -0700
From: "larry pendleton" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: steer  skull

Richard wrote :
  "If I were alive today, I'd be a very sick
man".


>> Kinda like, if I knew I was gonna live this long, I would have taken
better care of myself ?  Oh well !

Pendleton



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Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 22:58:09 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Possum Hunter" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Commercial Question

Magpie wrote on 4/19/01 13:00:
>Naw....not me.... but heard you made steels that threw enough sparks to =
light  fire on a wet log, in the rainy NW on a windy day.

Hmmm, I would't mind having a steel like that myself!

Possum

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Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 22:24:23 -0500
From: "Sparky" <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: Was tents, now Don Strinz

Just received the following message about an unfortunate accident that
happened to Don Strinz the tent and tipi maker.

Sparky
>From the Flint Hills of Kansas
**********************************************
>      Don Strinz had a fire at his shop Saturday April 14 th.  Lost his
> shop and inventory, most supplies .  They did save the sewing machines.
> The Grand Island Muzzleloading Club had a meeting Monday ( tonight) and
> decided to have a special auction at the Red, White, and Blue  for Don.
> Anyone who wanted to could donate something.  And the money brought by
> the auction will go to Don Strinz.   If anyone from the Kansas Clubs
> would like to donate for the auction they can bring it to the Red ,
> White, and Blue or send it to Red Fern  ( Don Grim ) and we will see
> that  it gets to the auction. A note saying who and/or where it came
> from would be nice but not necessary .
>           Address ,  e-mail,  phone #
>        Donald  Grim
>        908  17th Avenue
>        Central City, Nebraska  68826
>
> [e-mail]
>
> Phone:   [phone]
>   Thanks,
>   Red Fern and Lazy Otter
     (Don Grim and Pat  McQuiston )
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Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 22:30:34 -0500
From: "Lanney Ratcliff" <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: Laura Glise Update

Laura starts her Post-Op treatment tomorrow....becoming her own science fair
project, as she puts it.  She says she is in great spirits and is looking
forward to spending some recovery time at her Mom's house in Florida when
these treatments are finished.  Then it is back home to Washington for six
weeks.
She asks that nobody send her any email until further notice, that dealing
with it is overwhelming.
I don't doubt it.  I will post more as I know it.
Lanney Ratcliff


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Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 23:28:54 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Commercial Question

In a message dated 4/19/01 7:11:03 PM, [e-mail] writes:

<< Brother Jeff Smith, are you out there? We got a problem here.

Capt. Lahti' >>

LOL..... OK....okay, I'll bite my tongue. It's that apple pie I tell ya.....
I'm off to the detox center.

Magpie


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Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 23:37:12 -0400
From: "Addison Miller" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: READ THIS!!!  FATAL ADVICE

This is VERY true... almost lost my EX-wife (when we were happily married)
from her mixing Amonia and Clorox to clean the kitchen floor... Makes
Amonium Chloride gas...

Ad Miller


> AMMONIA AND CHLORINE BLEACH MIXED TOGETHER MAKES A  !!!!D E A D L Y!!!
GAS.
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Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 21:43:13 -0600
From: "Gretchen Ormond" <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: Rope: Buffalo hair horsehair

Hey Chris:

I am going to have to disagree with R James on twisted horsehair rope.
Can be twisted and can be done from one horse for +/-30 footer ╜" but
horse will look like it was butchered .  Got one I made two years ago,
and my take on buffalo may be different having twisted rope from short
fibers.  Most horsehair rope is made from mane or mane and tail hair.
If long length was always superior as some have assumed it would be
straight tail.  Long length fibers are stronger but they are a lot
tougher to keep in a nice even neat twine.  A rope maker can more easily
work with shorter fibers especially something like buffalo.  Strength
can come from using a higher number of twines in the rope.

As for documentation you missed an excellent one in the MajorÆs
entertaining tale.  (Joe Meek for those who donÆt like camp names)<G>

When the second man comes around, and finds a piece of work imperfectly
=
done, whether it be cleaning the firearms, making a hair rope, or a skin
=
lodge, or washing a horse's back, he does not threaten the offender with
=
personal chastisement, but calls up another man and asks him,

"Can you do this properly ?"

"Yes, sir."

"I will give you ten dollars to do it;" and the ten dollars is set down
=
to the account of the inefficient campkeeper. But he does not risk =
forfeiting another ten dollars in the same manner. (River of the =
West..Victor)

If you check the archives around November 8-16 99 there was some good
stuff on ropes.  If you want to try to make one I have references to a
booklet of instructions.

Wynn





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Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 23:43:32 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: MtMan-List: Latitude and LAN

Angela,
I know your sidekick is a navigator, and I'm wondering if he can come up with
an easy way of figuring out latitude using just the sun. Seems to me we'd use
"local apparent noon" (LAN) and come up with a sun line that would give us
latitude, but can't remember just how we did it.
At night of course, we use the North star, and measure the angle from the
horizon to get latitude. I ask because Lewis and Clark took LAN shots on the
voyage of discovery. Might be fun to see just how close they were on the
observations.

Ymos,
Magpie

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Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 22:51:53 -0500
From: "Lanney Ratcliff" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Latitude and LAN

http://www.bestboatsurveyor.com/celestial1.html

Magpie
See if you can sift you answer from this fairly wordy site.
Lanney


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Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 00:35:53 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Latitude and LAN

In a message dated 4/19/01 8:50:49 PM, [e-mail] writes:

<< Magpie

See if you can sift you answer from this fairly wordy site. >>

Thanks Lanney.... He is a bit wordy, but a lot of good information there.

As I understood it, they had a guy back in Greenwich, England (a couple
hundred years ago), measure the height of the sun at noon (LAN) every day for
a year. They already knew what latitude they were at in Greenwich, so with
the "book of observations", on any given day, if the sun was at the right
height, you had to be on that latitude. If the sun was lower or higher, you
had to be north or south of that latitude. It's how much north or south I'm
trying to figure out...
Mebbe it's time for a GPS......<G>

Magpie

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Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 03:19:40 -0400
From: "'bella" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: html garbage

gotta remember not everyone is a slave of billy boy...I
am currently forced to use outlook express (gag puke)
at work......but my real pc..the one at home is a Tux chile all the way and
uses Netscape.
There one has a choice of either or, or setting the options on a mail by
mail basis, not a blanket plain text like with
express.
what the list mommy or is that daddy can do is set the options on the list
to accept only plain text, and bounce back to the sender their html posts..
trains em to pay attention. I know, another list I am on
sends stuff back to me on a right regular a basis..when it is late at night
and I forget to reset it for their posts.
hey I am a blond, what can one expect...




>     Sure would be nice to have all that html garbage gone from the digest.
>     Usually it is caused by incorrect settings with MS Outlook Express.
>     To change: go to 'tools', then go to 'options', then go to 'send' then
> change the 'mail preferences' from 'html' to 'plain text' , OK out of all
> that and ye should be fine.
> Frank G. Fusco
> Mountain Home, Arkansas
> http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/ozarksmuzzleloaders
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Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 03:23:01 -0400
From: "'bella" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: steer  skull

find a red ant hill,  bury it very carefully.. lol
worked for me with rabbit skulls... and several
snakes my kids wanted the whole skeleton..
over night...


> Walter,
>
> I'm told that in Mexico they
> bury them and let the bacteria
> to the dirty work.
>
> Tom
>
> walter palmer wrote:
> >
> > how can i bleach a steer skull so its nice and white ?
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Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 20:27:45 +1200
From: Duncan Macready <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: steer  skull

If the skull is fresh, and clean, chuck it in a big pot of cold water to
cover the skull, bring to the boil, add chopped onions ,carrots etc and
simmer until the nose bones start to loosen , remove skull from water add
salt and pepper to taste, enjoy. Oh yes  the excess meat trimms off the
skull with ease <VBG>
Believe it or not I did this with a Deer head and my hunting mates were
never the wiser and drank all the soup.HA

YMOS
Cutfinger
Friendships made,Problems shared
Campfires across the wilderness.
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Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 07:37:53 -0500
From: "Frank Fusco" <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: pyramid tents

    OK, here's me slant on the 'authenticity' of pyramid tents.  Unlikely
the original rendezvous were virtual cities of pretty white canvas.  Mebbe a
coupla smoky, dirty dark canvas affairs, others of skins and a bunch of
thrown together affairs with whatever materials were available.
    We do what we do because we are not forced to suffer, want to live past
age 40 and the wimmen folks would complain like crazy if they had to sleep
on the mud and undress in an open faced lodge.
    So, the tipi is considered OK by most.  Methinks the tipi was not
conceived by a team of 'injuneers' and the pattern distributed nationwide by
e-smoke. No, methinks it was the result of many-many years of developing and
improvements by many different people.  Hanging a bunch of skins over a pole
and staking down the sides was very likely one step in the evolution of the
tipi. Also, if one did not have enough hides or canvas sheets for a full
tipi, one might just make do with what one had and accidentially 'invent'
the one-poler.
    I believe the one-pole design to be very appropriate for the period.
    Frank G. Fusco
Mountain Home, Arkansas
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Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 07:35:31 -0700
From: "Ole B. Jensen" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: 49er tent

Linda,
Park and Drop= Put everything you own for camping in a truck, drive to camp
spot drop your stuff, set up, remove truck, change clothes and you are done.
Its how I get the wife and kidlet to go with me.
Ole
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>From: Linda Holley <[e-mail]>
>To: [e-mail]
>Subject: Re: MtMan-List: 49er tent
>Date: Thu, Apr 19, 2001, 1:16 PM
>

>Ok...what is a park and drop??  Is that different than you have ONe hour to get
>out of Dodge.....  And that is a mighty small camp.... at "15"x25"  "?????
>Knowing it is bigger than that, I hope, Do you put the tent around the car???  I
>did that once.  Drove them crazy.
>
>Linda Holley
>
>"Ole B. Jensen" wrote:
>
>> John,
>> That is the same understanding that I have. currently I am using the
>> connical tent which dates back to French Military of 1760, it is a one pole
>> tent an made by "Tent Smith" it is much better looking than the pyramid in
>> my opinion. "Tent Smith" also made my 15"X25" Marque that I use for the
>> "Park and Drop" camps they are by far the best tent makers I have ever seen.
>> YMOS
>> Ole # 718
>> ----------
>> >From: John Kramer <[e-mail]>
>> >To: [e-mail]
>> >Subject: Re: MtMan-List: 49er tent
>> >Date: Wed, Apr 18, 2001, 8:05 PM
>> >
>>
>> >At 09:31 PM 4/18/01 -0500, you wrote:
>> >>What did you find about pyramid tents?
>> >>Lanney
>> >
>> >Lanney & whomever first asked about 49er miner tents,
>> >
>> >Peter & Deborah Marques http://www.tentsmiths.com/
>> >
>> >know more about tents than anyone else I know.  I have been very pleased
>> >with everything I've bought from them and impressed by other of their
>> >products I've seen.  They have the following information on their web site.
>> >
>> >begin quote............."
>> >                           PYRAMID TENTS
>> >Pyramid (also called Miner's) tents have become very popular in the last
>> >few years. They have a very thin and short history.
>> >Although the design is a natural for contorting canvas, the first reference
>> >we know of was a gentleman in the British Army who made every attempt to
>> >get the tent style accepted by the quartermaster division. His idea was to
>> >have the corners held down with bayonets and the pole to be a Brown Bess
>> >musket. Needless to say it was another seventy five years before we
>> >actually find the design in use.
>> >Parkman mentions the Pyramid tent in his journal of 1846 while on the
>> >Oregon Trail. As cameras came into use, the tent is recorded in photographs
>> >of cattle drives and with exterior poles next to early motor vehicles at
>> >picnic/ camping trips.
>> >
>> >"end quote..................
>> >
>> >John...
>> >John T. Kramer, maker of:
>> >
>> >Kramer's Best Antique Improver
>> > >>>It makes wood wonderful<<<
>> >        >>>As good as old!<<<
>> >
>> ><http://www.kramerize.com/>
>> >
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Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 09:19:52 -0600
From: "Walt Foster" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: [mlml] sinew Gene Hickman

> >
> YMOS
> Ghosting Wolf

Many thanks for the sinew.  A bit short for sewing mocs but will work for
backing a bow.  Used up the last of my good sewing sinew.  Made up 7 pairs
of side seam mocs using brain tan moose.  One pair took off headed east with
knife maker Wade Coulter.  Weather very rainy for a change.  Waiting on the
opportunity to test drive the ML.  Maybe we will cross trails at Fort Union.
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Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 08:21:15 -0700 (PDT)
From: Chris Sega <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Rope: Buffalo hair horsehair

If you do have instructions, I would appreciate that
very much.  I am trying to find a source fer Buffalo
hair, and when I get that I'll start makin cord and so
on.

Thanks

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Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 10:04:52 -0700
From: "Larry Huber" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: 49er tent

    I use a small British Infantry wedge tent at rendezvous where the public
is invited and I need the privacy and "security" of a closable lodge.
Otherwise, I just put up a square piece of oiled cloth in a diamond shape
and have weathered pouring rain very well.  Just one word about the slated
sides of a wedge tent...muddy.  My neighbor at the last rendezvous had a
wedge tent and I noticed that during rain (or sleet, snow or hail, we had it
all that week), the water runs down the nicely sloped sides and directly
into the doorway of an opened lodge.  Every time someone would go out of
that lodge, sheets of water would deposit itself on the inside threshold.  A
wedge or wall tent with straight sides doesn't have that drainage problem.
I haven't noticed this as much of a  problem with the conical shape of a
tipi.  Comments, tipi dwellers?

Larry Huber

- ----- Original Message ----- From: "ALAN AVERY" <[e-mail]>
To: <[e-mail]>
Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2001 9:40 AM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: 49er tent


> Hi all,
>
> As far as tents go, I'll put my two bits worth in for RK lodges. I have
been
> using one of their wedge tents for years, and I would put it up against
any
> other manufacturer's for quality. I did a fair bit of research into tent
> styles before I bought the wedge, the earliest I could definitively date
the
> pyramid tent was the use by Parkman in 1841. While it does seem reasonable
> that it was probably around prior to this, I opted for the wedge, as it is
> documentable to a much earlier time. This thread is interesting, I am
> interested in the British Army angle, as this is new info, (at least to
me!)
> I for one though don't have an issue with pyramid tents at rendezvous, as
> they are (at least close to) period, and there is a lot to be said for a
> tent that can be set up in about 2 minutes! Now if we can just do
something
> about those Bakers... <g>
>
> Black Knife
>
> Alan Avery
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ole B. Jensen <[e-mail]>
> To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
> Date: April 19, 2001 6:57 AM
> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: 49er tent
>
>
> John,
> That is the same understanding that I have. currently I am using the
> connical tent which dates back to French Military of 1760, it is a one
pole
> tent an made by "Tent Smith" it is much better looking than the pyramid in
> my opinion. "Tent Smith" also made my 15"X25" Marque that I use for the
> "Park and Drop" camps they are by far the best tent makers I have ever
seen.
> YMOS
> Ole # 718
> ----------
> >From: John Kramer <[e-mail]>
> >To: [e-mail]
> >Subject: Re: MtMan-List: 49er tent
> >Date: Wed, Apr 18, 2001, 8:05 PM
> >
>
> >At 09:31 PM 4/18/01 -0500, you wrote:
> >>What did you find about pyramid tents?
> >>Lanney
> >
> >Lanney & whomever first asked about 49er miner tents,
> >
> >Peter & Deborah Marques http://www.tentsmiths.com/
> >
> >know more about tents than anyone else I know.  I have been very pleased
> >with everything I've bought from them and impressed by other of their
> >products I've seen.  They have the following information on their web
site.
> >
> >begin quote............."
> >                           PYRAMID TENTS
> >Pyramid (also called Miner's) tents have become very popular in the last
> >few years. They have a very thin and short history.
> >Although the design is a natural for contorting canvas, the first
reference
> >we know of was a gentleman in the British Army who made every attempt to
> >get the tent style accepted by the quartermaster division. His idea was
to
> >have the corners held down with bayonets and the pole to be a Brown Bess
> >musket. Needless to say it was another seventy five years before we
> >actually find the design in use.
> >Parkman mentions the Pyramid tent in his journal of 1846 while on the
> >Oregon Trail. As cameras came into use, the tent is recorded in
photographs
> >of cattle drives and with exterior poles next to early motor vehicles at
> >picnic/ camping trips.
> >
> >"end quote..................
> >
> >John...
> >John T. Kramer, maker of:
> >
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Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 10:24:41 -0700
From: "Larry Huber" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: 49er tent

Ole,
    Not in California.  We don't allow setup after drop.  You drop, drive
outa camp THEN set up.  You Utah boys outta know better.

Larry Huber

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Subject: Re: MtMan-List: 49er tent


> Linda,
> Park and Drop= Put everything you own for camping in a truck, drive to
camp
> spot drop your stuff, set up, remove truck, change clothes and you are
done.
> Its how I get the wife and kidlet to go with me.
> Ole
> ----------
> >From: Linda Holley <[e-mail]>
> >To: [e-mail]
> >Subject: Re: MtMan-List: 49er tent
> >Date: Thu, Apr 19, 2001, 1:16 PM
> >
>
> >Ok...what is a park and drop??  Is that different than you have ONe hour
to get
> >out of Dodge.....  And that is a mighty small camp.... at "15"x25"
"?????
> >Knowing it is bigger than that, I hope, Do you put the tent around the
car???  I
> >did that once.  Drove them crazy.
> >
> >Linda Holley
> >
> >"Ole B. Jensen" wrote:
> >
> >> John,
> >> That is the same understanding that I have. currently I am using the
> >> connical tent which dates back to French Military of 1760, it is a one
pole
> >> tent an made by "Tent Smith" it is much better looking than the pyramid
in
> >> my opinion. "Tent Smith" also made my 15"X25" Marque that I use for the
> >> "Park and Drop" camps they are by far the best tent makers I have ever
seen.
> >> YMOS
> >> Ole # 718
> >> ----------
> >> >From: John Kramer <[e-mail]>
> >> >To: [e-mail]
> >> >Subject: Re: MtMan-List: 49er tent
> >> >Date: Wed, Apr 18, 2001, 8:05 PM
> >> >
> >>
> >> >At 09:31 PM 4/18/01 -0500, you wrote:
> >> >>What did you find about pyramid tents?
> >> >>Lanney
> >> >
> >> >Lanney & whomever first asked about 49er miner tents,
> >> >
> >> >Peter & Deborah Marques http://www.tentsmiths.com/
> >> >
> >> >know more about tents than anyone else I know.  I have been very
pleased
> >> >with everything I've bought from them and impressed by other of their
> >> >products I've seen.  They have the following information on their web
site.
> >> >
> >> >begin quote............."
> >> >                           PYRAMID TENTS
> >> >Pyramid (also called Miner's) tents have become very popular in the
last
> >> >few years. They have a very thin and short history.
> >> >Although the design is a natural for contorting canvas, the first
reference
> >> >we know of was a gentleman in the British Army who made every attempt
to
> >> >get the tent style accepted by the quartermaster division. His idea
was to
> >> >have the corners held down with bayonets and the pole to be a Brown
Bess
> >> >musket. Needless to say it was another seventy five years before we
> >> >actually find the design in use.
> >> >Parkman mentions the Pyramid tent in his journal of 1846 while on the
> >> >Oregon Trail. As cameras came into use, the tent is recorded in
photographs
> >> >of cattle drives and with exterior poles next to early motor vehicles
at
> >> >picnic/ camping trips.
> >> >
> >> >"end quote..................
> >> >
> >> >John...
> >> >John T. Kramer, maker of:
> >> >
> >> >Kramer's Best Antique Improver
> >> > >>>It makes wood wonderful<<<
> >> >        >>>As good as old!<<<
> >> >
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> >> >
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Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 11:42:28 -0600
From: "John L. Allen" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Latitude and LAN

On Lewis and Clark and LAN:

The captains were remarkably close on their latitudinal observations, partly
because they had two sets of readings for comparison: local noon time or
"local apparent noon" which they obtained from solar elevation and
observance of Polaris at night. They were less correct in their longitudinal
observations because they forgot to wind their chronometer and let it run
down (no quartz batteries in 1804). They couldn't ever get it set correctly
again, forcing them to use incredibly complicated measures to determine
longitude (transit of the moons of Jupiter, etc.).

Determining latitude from local apparent noon can be done only if you have a
set of tables (Lewis and Clark carried them) showing the sun's elevation
above the horizon for different lines of latitude on each day of the year.
Of course, you have to know the date of your observation. One of the reasons
why Lewis and Clark were so absolutely certain to make daily journal entries
was so they'd always know what day it was. Any of you who have been out in
the boonies for any length of time know how easy it is to lose track when
you don't have to punch a time clock.

Those of you who may be interested in more info about Lewis and Clark
navigation can check my article on the Discovering Lewis and Clark website
(www.lewis-clark.org): go to "Geography" and then to "Mapping Unknown
Lands".

John Allen

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Subject: MtMan-List: Latitude and LAN


> Angela,
> I know your sidekick is a navigator, and I'm wondering if he can come up
with
> an easy way of figuring out latitude using just the sun. Seems to me we'd
use
> "local apparent noon" (LAN) and come up with a sun line that would give us
> latitude, but can't remember just how we did it.
> At night of course, we use the North star, and measure the angle from the
> horizon to get latitude. I ask because Lewis and Clark took LAN shots on
the
> voyage of discovery. Might be fun to see just how close they were on the
> observations.
>
> Ymos,
> Magpie
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