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hist_text-digest Thursday, April 19 2001 Volume 01 : Number 786
In this issue:
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Rope: Buffalo hair horsehair
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Rope: Buffalo hair horsehair
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: North Star West Flintlock Trade Guns
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Rope: Buffalo hair horsehair
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Rope: Buffalo hair horsehair
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Rope: Buffalo hair horsehair
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Rope: Buffalo hair horsehair
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: 49er tent
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Rope: Buffalo hair horsehair Now Pyramid Tents
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: 49er tent
-áááááá MtMan-List: VIRUS!
-áááááá MtMan-List: pyramid tents
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: pyramid tents
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: 49er tent
-áááááá MtMan-List: Re: [mlml] Tent Stoves Now Pyramid Tents.
-áááááá MtMan-List: Commercial Question
-áááááá MtMan-List: steer skull
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: 49er tent
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Commercial Question
-áááááá MtMan-List: Commercial/Boarding Axe
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Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 13:42:55 -0500
From: "Mike Bowling" <madmike@one.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Rope: Buffalo hair horsehair
My aunt sent some buffalo hair back from Yellow Stone. It was shed hair
picked up from the ground. I had a lady at a doings spin it on a spinning
wheel. It made good yarn fairly stong. The lady said she had spun most all
types of hair but this was her first buffalo hair and she said it spun well.
MM
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From: <ThisOldFox@aol.com>
To: <hist_text@lists.xmission.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2001 3:52 PM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Rope: Buffalo hair horsehair
> > That abundant wooly stuff that lies on tatanka's head, shoulders and
front
> > quarters is not short, it responds to a cordage twist very well, and it
is
> > super abundant on even one animal.
> > Tatanka's hair is more suited for "felting" so it can be twisted
> > "cordage style" and become a single, long unit.
>
> I tried some time back to get someone to send me a couple of gunny
sacksful
> of spring-shed winter coat, so that I could have it spun into buffalo wool
> yarn. Them that had it said it was very plentiful, except it wasn't worth
> the trouble to remove the impacted dirt and manure to get it clean enough
to
> use.
>
> Anybody think different, or had any luck spinning it into yarn?
>
> Dave Kanger
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Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 11:34:10 -0700
From: "Larry Huber" <shootsprairie@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Rope: Buffalo hair horsehair
A number of years ago, Old Bent's Fort sold buffalo hair "twine". I bought
some and I found some horse hair twisted into it, probably to lengthen and
strengthen the fiber. I braided three strands together and it made a
servicable rope for light binding. Braiding braided examples together
should give you a rope useful for any duty. I wear an example as a hat band
with buffalo dew claw dangles.
Larry Huber
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From: "'bella" <smprice1@bellatlantic.net>
To: <hist_text@lists.xmission.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2001 2:54 PM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Rope: Buffalo hair horsehair
> ever card wool? or make yarn from it?
> perhaps they used a variation of that method?
> wool yarn can be quite strong. I use it to tie all sorts of things
> after I braid three strands together.
> discovered by accident.. made a hackamore one afternoon in
> desperation out of it.. worked nice.. would not care to try the
> experiment again, but it worked.
> a.
>
> > Just thought I might spark some discussion. In Terry
> > Johnstons books, he often mentions Buffalo hair ropes.
> > My thought on this is, why would Native Americans
> > manufacture rope from Buffalo Hair? In my opinion,
> > Horsehair would be a better bet, as it is longer,
> > easily procured and has a long history of use.
> > Buffalo hair on the other hand is shorter, and what
> > would they have used? The hair or undercoat? I know
> > the undercoat could be used to make cordage and then
> > be made in to rope, but I don't know what is easier,
> > hitchin hair or hand producing cord. I have made
> > cordage from nettle yucca etc, but I haven't hitched
> > hair, although I am familiar with the method. For
> > that matter why not rawhide ropes? Just some
> > thoughts, what do you guys think. I'm gonna dive into
> > the archives and see what I can find.
> >
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Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 14:30:16 -0600
From: Angela Gottfred <agottfre@telusplanet.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: North Star West Flintlock Trade Guns
My husband bought a North Star West trade gun kit in '95; we were very
satisfied with the service, they answered a number of questions over the
phone. The lock needed repairs about a month after the gun was assembled;
the repairs were fast & free. The gun's worked great ever since, a nice
straight shooter.
Your humble & obedient servant,
Angela Gottfred
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Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 14:03:14 -0700 (PDT)
From: Chris Sega <chrissega1@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Rope: Buffalo hair horsehair
The following are 2 quotes which I found lookin for
Hair Rope. No buffler fur here. I attribute the rope
to Horsehair because by the description the rope would
seem to be a prickly thing, which horsehair rrope is.
I'm going to have to look into something that deals
with Native american Culture. I would guess that any
Buffalo Rope that the trappers used would have been of
native manufacture. Any recommendations on where to
look?
Townsend Chapter 2 "To stake or fasten a horse for the
night, he is provided with a strong leathern halter,
with an iron ring attached to the chin strap.
To this ring, a rope of hemp or plaited leather,
twenty-two feet in length."
River of the West Chapter 2. "It was often the case in
the mountains and on the plains that the camp was
troubled with rattlesnakes, so that each man on
laying down to sleep found it necessary to encircle
his bed with a hair rope, thus effectually fencing out
the reptiles, which are
too fastidious and sensitive of touch to crawl over a
hair rope."
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Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 19:50:32 -0600
From: "Gene Hickman" <ghickman9@home.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Rope: Buffalo hair horsehair
Magpie and I happened to be over at the Montana Historic Society and Museum
today researching Pyramid Tents. We of course took time to wander through
some of the displays. I had forgotten that they have a number of items of
woven buffalo hair. In one case there was a powder horn strap, a short coil
of rope (perhaps a lead rope), and a halter. All were woven about 3/8" to
1/2" in diameter. The display made it seem to have been fairly common stuff.
Next time we'll take the digital camera and get some pictures. Some great
trade guns there and Bridger's Hawken from the 1850s?
YMOS
Ghosting Wolf
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Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 21:31:55 -0500
From: "Lanney Ratcliff" <amm1585@hyperusa.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Rope: Buffalo hair horsehair
Magpie and I happened to be over at the Montana Historic Society and Museum
today researching Pyramid Tents.
What did you find about pyramid tents?
Lanney
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Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 22:05:14 -0500
From: Victoria Pate <vapate@juno.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Rope: Buffalo hair horsehair
On Wed, 18 Apr 2001 19:50:32 -0600 "Gene Hickman" <ghickman9@home.com>
writes:
> Magpie and I happened to be over at the Montana Historic Society and
> Museum today researching Pyramid Tents.
> YMOS
> Ghosting Wolf
>
Magpie and Ghosting Wolf,
What did you all find out about the Pyramid tents?
The write up about them in Panther Primitives say
they are PC, but I've heard otherwise from several
esteemed members of this list. I'm thinking about
buying one.
Victoria
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Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 22:05:26 -0500
From: John Kramer <kramer@kramerize.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: 49er tent
At 09:31 PM 4/18/01 -0500, you wrote:
>What did you find about pyramid tents?
>Lanney
Lanney & whomever first asked about 49er miner tents,
Peter & Deborah Marques http://www.tentsmiths.com/
know more about tents than anyone else I know. I have been very pleased=20
with everything I've bought from them and impressed by other of their=20
products I've seen. They have the following information on their web sit=
e.
begin quote............."
PYRAMID TENTS
Pyramid (also called Miner's) tents have become very popular in the last=20
few years. They have a very thin and short history.
Although the design is a natural for contorting canvas, the first referen=
ce=20
we know of was a gentleman in the British Army who made every attempt to=20
get the tent style accepted by the quartermaster division. His idea was t=
o=20
have the corners held down with bayonets and the pole to be a Brown Bess=20
musket. Needless to say it was another seventy five years before we=20
actually find the design in use.
Parkman mentions the Pyramid tent in his journal of 1846 while on the=20
Oregon Trail. As cameras came into use, the tent is recorded in photograp=
hs=20
of cattle drives and with exterior poles next to early motor vehicles at=20
picnic/ camping trips.
"end quote..................
John...
John T. Kramer, maker of:=A0
Kramer's Best Antique Improver
>>>It makes wood wonderful<<<
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Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 21:23:21 -0600
From: "Gene Hickman" <ghickman9@home.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Rope: Buffalo hair horsehair Now Pyramid Tents
From: "Victoria Pate" <vapate@juno.com>
To: <hist_text@lists.xmission.com>
<< What did you all find out about the Pyramid tents?
The write up about them in Panther Primitives say
they are PC, but I've heard otherwise from several
esteemed members of this list. I'm thinking about
buying one.>>
Victoria,
I've been posting the updates to the mlml list and forgot about this list.
Don't give up on the Pyramid tent yet. I personally own one and love it for
ease of putting up, roominess, and its ability to with stand high winds. I
would like to document it back to at least 1820 as referenced by Panther
Primitives and in Darby's The Sketchbook on the Tents of The Fur Trade. So
far, for an absolutely documented tent in the Rocky Mountain Fur Trade the
wedge tents are about the only ones. The earliest Wall Tents documented in
the fur trade are for Bill Hamilton 's trading party in 1842, led by old
Bill Williams and George Perkins. They used it as a store when trading in
Indian Villages. Of course if they had one in 1842 it probably was around
for awhile before that. Pyramids and wall tents are acceptable at most
Rendesvous, but I'd really like to document them. Here's what I found on
pyramid tents in today's research:
Magpie and I spent some time at the Montana Historic Society
library reading up on the Whitman's and Whitman at both the 1835 & 1836
Rendezvous. We did get hold of The Oregon Historical Quarterly for 1927,
which had Whitman's report of his 1835 "Tour of Exploration..." He mentions
using tents, but not what kind. If he did have a pyramid tent and it could
well have been described in his 1836 trip when he brought his wife west. I
am still searching for copies of Narcissa Whitman's notes and letters. Parts
I have seen of her notes indicates that she spent more time explaining and
describing the more common things seen and used on the trail. Whereas her
husband spends more times describing the various Indian tribes, their state
of "grace", and his recommendations on their need of missionary services.
Also read parts of Rufus Sage 1841 trip. When he was enrolled in the
trading company of Lancaster Lupton which left from Westport for Fort Platte
on the Laramie. Their camp included four covered Conestoga wagons, a
dearborn and a small pyramid-shaped tent. I guess you could suppose that the
Lupton pyramid tent of 1841 was not the first one ever used and that they
may have been around at an even earlier time. Did find more confirmation of
Francis
Parkman's use of pyramid tent(s). The Parkman's party had pyramid tent(s)
on their 1846 trip, which "... they carried in their cart(s) and used it
constantly."
Still looking for more information. I'll keep posting what I find. I'd
recommend Hanson's article ...on the Tents in the Western Fur Trade.
YMOS
Ghosting Wolf
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Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 21:28:06 -0600
From: "Gene Hickman" <ghickman9@home.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: 49er tent
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From: "John Kramer" <kramer@kramerize.com>
To: <hist_text@lists.xmission.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 9:05 PM
<<Although the design is a natural for contorting canvas, the first
reference
we know of was a gentleman in the British Army who made every attempt to
get the tent style accepted by the quartermaster division. His idea was to
have the corners held down with bayonets and the pole to be a Brown Bess
musket. Needless to say it was another seventy five years before we
actually find the design in use.>>
John from this description and backing up 75 years from the 1846 Parkman
trip we have the design concept around in 1771. Even though they weren't
accepted by the British Army, it would be interesting to know if anyone
started making them. Thanks for the info.
YMOS
Ghosting Wolf
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Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 23:50:11 -0400
From: "Possum Hunter" <icurapossum_hunter2@yahoo.com>
Subject: MtMan-List: VIRUS!
If you got a virus from me today here is how to get rid of it with Windows
ME: Delete all mail that has the attachment from Outlook, then run your
system restore to back your computer up to an earlier date. The instructions
to kill it in other Windows machines can be found at
http://www.symantec.com/avcenter/cgi-bin/virauto.cgi?vid=28772
I sure would like to give the people who write computer viruses a dose of
lead poisoning with my .50 Caliber Hawken!
Possum
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Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 22:16:23 -0600
From: "Thomas Ballstaedt" <tphsb@earthlink.net>
Subject: MtMan-List: pyramid tents
I used to scoff at their use, that is until I saw a miller painting showing
Etienne Proveau standing outside of what looks an awful lot like a pyramid
tent. It may not be conclusive evidence but it sure caught my eye. Has
anyone seen that sketch?
Tom
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Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 03:25:26 EDT
From: SWcushing@aol.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: pyramid tents
In a message dated 4/18/01 9:23:24 PM, tphsb@earthlink.net writes:
<< that is until I saw a miller painting showing
Atone Prove standing outside of what looks an awful lot like a pyramid
tent. >>
Haaaaaa.... While Gene and I were doing the research at the Montana
Historical Society, we spotted a couple Miller sketches with what could
almost pass as a pyramid tent... I considered running em through my computer
and adding a real miner's tent....mebbe even with "Panther Primitives" barely
visible on a side.....<G> Figured it would start a war, and passed on the
idea.....<VBG>
Anyway, I've gotta believe Ruffus Sage had a pyramid tent in 1841, and that
boys and girls, is real close to our time period. Some of the medieval
pavilion and marquee's are constructed along the same lines....
Personally, if I'm not in my 20' tipi, I like a plain ole tarp set up as a
"diamond", or tied together with others to make one large shelter....until
Capt Lahti starts his mid-night serenade....<G>
Ymos,
Magpie
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Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 07:38:27 -0700
From: "Ole B. Jensen" <olebjensen@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: 49er tent
John,
That is the same understanding that I have. currently I am using the
connical tent which dates back to French Military of 1760, it is a one pole
tent an made by "Tent Smith" it is much better looking than the pyramid in
my opinion. "Tent Smith" also made my 15"X25" Marque that I use for the
"Park and Drop" camps they are by far the best tent makers I have ever seen=
.
YMOS
Ole # 718
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>From: John Kramer <kramer@kramerize.com>
>To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com
>Subject: Re: MtMan-List: 49er tent
>Date: Wed, Apr 18, 2001, 8:05 PM
>
>At 09:31 PM 4/18/01 -0500, you wrote:
>>What did you find about pyramid tents?
>>Lanney
>
>Lanney & whomever first asked about 49er miner tents,
>
>Peter & Deborah Marques http://www.tentsmiths.com/
>
>know more about tents than anyone else I know. I have been very pleased
>with everything I've bought from them and impressed by other of their
>products I've seen. They have the following information on their web site=
.
>
>begin quote............."
> PYRAMID TENTS
>Pyramid (also called Miner's) tents have become very popular in the last
>few years. They have a very thin and short history.
>Although the design is a natural for contorting canvas, the first referenc=
e
>we know of was a gentleman in the British Army who made every attempt to
>get the tent style accepted by the quartermaster division. His idea was to=
>have the corners held down with bayonets and the pole to be a Brown Bess
>musket. Needless to say it was another seventy five years before we
>actually find the design in use.
>Parkman mentions the Pyramid tent in his journal of 1846 while on the
>Oregon Trail. As cameras came into use, the tent is recorded in photograph=
s
>of cattle drives and with exterior poles next to early motor vehicles at
>picnic/ camping trips.
>
>"end quote..................
>
>John...
>John T. Kramer, maker of:=A0
>
>Kramer's Best Antique Improver
> >>>It makes wood wonderful<<<
>=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 >>>As good as old!<<<
>
><http://www.kramerize.com/>
>
>mail to: <kramer@kramerize.com>
>
>
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Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 08:27:02 -0600
From: "Gene Hickman" <ghickman9@home.com>
Subject: MtMan-List: Re: [mlml] Tent Stoves Now Pyramid Tents.
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From: "Roger Lahti" <rtlahti@email.msn.com>
To: "Muzzle Loader Mailing List" <mlml@list.vnet.net>
<< BTW, you do know you can access Narcissa's dairy and or letters on the
"Mt. Man/History_text" home page.>>
Thanks. Yes I did know that and already read through them. For anyone new to
the list or who has not used them yet this is an excellent resource that
Roger sites.
It was my understanding that there may be more letters or at least some
diary entries not listed there. Could be that she wrote more letters with
her husband concerning their missionary work back to his sponsors or it is
new material that has come to light. Anyway one of the librarians at the
Historical Society told me she remembered something about it and she was
going to check. Hopefully her memory is better than mine. Guess I'll also
have to check over at the Whitman Mission Nat'l. Historic Site in Walla
Walla next time I come through. Looks like we've finally got a good thread
going here and it is getting several folks involved on several lists.
YMOS
Ghosting Wolf
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Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 10:47:51 -0400
From: "D. Miles" <deforge1@bright.net>
Subject: MtMan-List: Commercial Question
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Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 12:29:29 -0400
From: "walter palmer" <longbutt@hotmail.com>
Subject: MtMan-List: steer skull
how can i bleach a steer skull so its nice and white ?
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Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 09:40:57 -0700
From: "ALAN AVERY" <aavery@telus.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: 49er tent
Hi all,
As far as tents go, I'll put my two bits worth in for RK lodges. I have been
using one of their wedge tents for years, and I would put it up against any
other manufacturer's for quality. I did a fair bit of research into tent
styles before I bought the wedge, the earliest I could definitively date the
pyramid tent was the use by Parkman in 1841. While it does seem reasonable
that it was probably around prior to this, I opted for the wedge, as it is
documentable to a much earlier time. This thread is interesting, I am
interested in the British Army angle, as this is new info, (at least to me!)
I for one though don't have an issue with pyramid tents at rendezvous, as
they are (at least close to) period, and there is a lot to be said for a
tent that can be set up in about 2 minutes! Now if we can just do something
about those Bakers... <g>
Black Knife
Alan Avery
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From: Ole B. Jensen <olebjensen@earthlink.net>
To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com <hist_text@lists.xmission.com>
Date: April 19, 2001 6:57 AM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: 49er tent
John,
That is the same understanding that I have. currently I am using the
connical tent which dates back to French Military of 1760, it is a one pole
tent an made by "Tent Smith" it is much better looking than the pyramid in
my opinion. "Tent Smith" also made my 15"X25" Marque that I use for the
"Park and Drop" camps they are by far the best tent makers I have ever seen.
YMOS
Ole # 718
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>From: John Kramer <kramer@kramerize.com>
>To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com
>Subject: Re: MtMan-List: 49er tent
>Date: Wed, Apr 18, 2001, 8:05 PM
>
>At 09:31 PM 4/18/01 -0500, you wrote:
>>What did you find about pyramid tents?
>>Lanney
>
>Lanney & whomever first asked about 49er miner tents,
>
>Peter & Deborah Marques http://www.tentsmiths.com/
>
>know more about tents than anyone else I know. I have been very pleased
>with everything I've bought from them and impressed by other of their
>products I've seen. They have the following information on their web site.
>
>begin quote............."
> PYRAMID TENTS
>Pyramid (also called Miner's) tents have become very popular in the last
>few years. They have a very thin and short history.
>Although the design is a natural for contorting canvas, the first reference
>we know of was a gentleman in the British Army who made every attempt to
>get the tent style accepted by the quartermaster division. His idea was to
>have the corners held down with bayonets and the pole to be a Brown Bess
>musket. Needless to say it was another seventy five years before we
>actually find the design in use.
>Parkman mentions the Pyramid tent in his journal of 1846 while on the
>Oregon Trail. As cameras came into use, the tent is recorded in photographs
>of cattle drives and with exterior poles next to early motor vehicles at
>picnic/ camping trips.
>
>"end quote..................
>
>John...
>John T. Kramer, maker of:
>
>Kramer's Best Antique Improver
> >>>It makes wood wonderful<<<
> >>>As good as old!<<<
>
><http://www.kramerize.com/>
>
>mail to: <kramer@kramerize.com>
>
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Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 09:47:14 -0700
From: "ALAN AVERY" <aavery@telus.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Commercial Question
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This sounds interesting, is there a pic somewhere? (I am not familiar =
with them, although I have seen a British boarding axe, are they =
similar? In the same vein, how about a nice Black Watch fighting axe? =
They were a right vicious-looking implement. Someone used to carry one =
in brass years ago, (Dixie I think).
Black Knife
Alan Avery
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Subject: MtMan-List: Commercial Question
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I am debating on doing a couple of copies of Spanish Boarding Axes =
C.1733
But before I do them , any interest from you nautical types? No =
obligation, just testing the market...
Thanks
D
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Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 12:52:47 -0400
From: "D. Miles" <deforge1@bright.net>
Subject: MtMan-List: Commercial/Boarding Axe
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Alan,
Enclosed is a link to a site with some boarding axes.. Good site =
overall. The Spanish one just caught my eye because it included =
measurements....
http://www.imacdigest.com/axe.html
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D
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