In a message dated 4/11/01 9:44:26 AM, rtlahti@email.msn.com writes:
<< I'm now taking my
turn being Party Booshway for WPH and Lard Duncanson is my clerk. >>
Whoa..... Congratulations on your coronation! .....and a fine Booshway you'l=
l=20
make. Ah....did you volunteer for the job or were you just "pressed into=20
service"? You might consider getting a larger throne for Lee and the boys to=
=20
lug ya around on....<G>
Ymos,
Magpie
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Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 07:16:08 -0500
From: "Lanney Ratcliff" <amm1585@hyperusa.com>
Subject: MtMan-List: H.R. 1187
http://www.mntrappers.com/
Click here for information about a bill in congress that proposes to ban leg
hold traps in the entire country. The site has been updated fairly recently
so the information appears to be current. Does anybody have information
about HR 1187 to the contrary?
Lanney Ratcliff
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Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 08:41:11 EDT
From: HikingOnThru@cs.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: H.R. 1187 - somewhat OFF TOPIC
Lanney,
If you go to the House of Rep.'s web-page, there are leads to look up the
current status of bills and proposals. Check it out there. Seems we get
much better response when we go in informed knowingthe short title of the
H.R., who sponsors it and it's actual content. Discovered this little gem
the other day when responding to H.R. 1112 - proposing to make ML firearms
covered under the same fed. laws as all guns.
They will not not stop until they see us all just walking out of the bank and
giving our paychecks to some lazy, do-nothin' crack addict and tellig him it
is not his fault - but ours.
- -C.Kent
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Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 08:50:06 EDT
From: HikingOnThru@cs.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: H.R. 1187
Guys,
Looks like Lanney was right about H.R. 1187. I went to searchgov.com (sp?)
and clicked on "house". I saw the list of sponsors and it is longer than a
southern baptist sermon!!! See if you congressman is on that list! It has
been referred to about 5 different subcommittees so far - interpret that in
your own fashion. Write yor congressman and let them know your feelings on
the issue!
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Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 11:00:35 -0400 (EDT)
From: Buck Conner <buck_conner@email.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: Fur traders in Indian dress (was: Teasing)
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Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: Fur traders in Indian dress:
I just wanted to mention that they interviewed Stephen Ambrose on tv this morning. He is donating $1M from the sales of "Undaunted Courage" to lead in the fight to have the dams removed from the Mo River and return it to it's free flowing state. They classified it as the most endangered river in the US. The fight coincides with L&C's 150th anniversary to take advantage of increased public awareness................
It's about time that they correct some of the problems with these damns that have been built on this river, have canoed it many times from various locations.
Another river that feeds the Missouri and is worst than the Missouri is the Platte, one will do two portages a day from a few hundred yards to a 1/2 mile in getting around modern damns and water projects.
Noted these water projects are needed for farming several of the designs on some are not only poor but also causing more problems with flooding and causing back washes do to the limited flow.
In "Wau Bun" which was the autobiography of John Kinzie's wife, there is mention of mosquitos while making the rounds up by Green Bay in WI. The whites were flailing about during a parlay and the indian made a comment that they move around too much. They should just sit still, and occasionally scrape off a handful as they collect on they body. There is much talk about
Indians covering themselves with bear grease, but I don't think this was true. I believe that they just tolerated them.
In certain areas, this is possible, but in others it is maddening. When in the woods in Illinois or Wisconsin, they seldom bother me, and I just ignore them also. But I have been canoeing up in Angella's country, and they are maddening. As dusk approaches, the noise of the mosquitos builts like the
morning traffic during rush hour. If you get more than 50 yards away from the shoreline, they are unbearable. If you drop your drawers to answer nature's call, no matter how quickly you do it, wiping yields blood and squashed bugs. When portaging a canoe, they collect inside and attack your face. The flies will home in on any sore on your body and constantly attack it. My partner didn't wear a hat the first year we went. He had a place on the top of his head where he had bumped it. After nine days afield, it was the size of a half dollar and was an oozing open sore.
We have experienced the same problems, one's wearing glasses (period of course) really have problems with the mosquitos geting between the inside of the glass and the eye lids. At "Tavern Cave" (L&C stayed there) located below Washington MO about 2-1/2 to 3 miles inland off that river - the Missouri, the black nats and mosquitos are so bad that covering up doesn't help, have ventured in several times knowing how bad it will be - trying different non-period sprays and have found that "garlic" works the best - eaten for several days before going in and also rubbed on uncovered areas. This is what the Corps of Discovery used in these areas and it works fairly well, those old boys knew what to do, of course they where there every day and had years of trial and error to figure it out.
Going "indian" seems to be counterproductive to pest control. I would think that the mountain man or voyageur would cover as much of his body as possible. When we get back to "time of the year" is would seem logical that different garb was also worn during different times of the year as added protection. Either that, or there were not as many insects then as there are now.
On pest control I would think that the numbers may have been the same if not worst in the past, with all the sprays and projects that have been done over the last 100 years trying to keep the different diseases under control that are carried by the different insects. That's just a guess, no documentation.
Thanks for your thouhghts Dave.
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Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 09:52:16 -0700
From: "Roger Lahti" <rtlahti@email.msn.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Parched Corn
> That was a good report on the Palouse....and I'm kinda glad you missed my
> strong back on the way out...<G> You're gonna have to recruit some more
> pilgrims just to man the oars on your yacht! .....or get outta bed earlier
to
> beat the wind.
Magpie,
I'm gona have to rethink those oars. We started out rowing and shifted to
paddling. Short story. And a good Mt. Man makes his own wind!
YMOS&Brother
Capt. Lahti'
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Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 09:55:38 -0700
From: "Roger Lahti" <rtlahti@email.msn.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Parched Corn
Whoa..... Congratulations on your coronation! .....and a fine Booshway
you'll
make. Ah....did you volunteer for the job or were you just "pressed into
service"?
Magpie,
Thanks but condolences would suffice. I was pressed! Basicly it was my turn
in the barrel.
>You might consider getting a larger throne for Lee and the boys to
lug ya around on....<G>
Already got one. I'm rigging the bateau up so that I can ride in it and the
pilgrims in the party can carry it. <G> We'll all move faster into the wind
that way.
YMOS&Brother
Capt. Lahti'
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Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 14:39:41 -0600
From: "Gene Hickman" <ghickman9@home.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: Fur traders in Indian dress (was: Teasing)
From: "Buck Conner" <buck_conner@email.com>
To: <hist_text@lists.xmission.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2001 9:00 AM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: Fur traders in Indian dress (was: Teasing)
<<....The fight coincides with L&C's 150th anniversary to take advantage of
increased public awareness................>>
Isn't it supposed to be the 200th anniversary or are they late in getting
started?
Ghosting Wolf
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Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 14:46:22 -0700 (PDT)
From: Chris Sega <chrissega1@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Parched Corn use in RMFT
Common use is all I am talking about. In my original
post I said, wouldnt it most probably be used closer
to settlements. Astoria being one, you have verified
that when white settlement was close corn could be had
and undoubtably it was traded for. But is Parched more
common than ground corn? As I said, Sir william
Drummond Stewart brought canned fish, preserves, and
armor to the west, but It was not common. . None of
the lists of goods brought to Rendezvous list corn,The
trade register of Mdse brought to the upper missouri
by S.B. Diana lists flour, crackers, molasses, hot
sauce, lime juice, mustard etc etc, but it mentions no
corn. Well that doesent mean it wasn't there, because
the Mandans grew it and it was grown in New Mexico. In
my original post I asked " wouldn't it be more common
near the settlements?" Well it turns out that that is
the truth. It was not however common in the heart of
the Rocky Mountains. Wouldn't the Traders have
brought it to the Rendezvous? The Sources you mention
are the only ones that I have seen which mention
Parched corn. Perhaps I am obstinate, and I agree
Parched corn was eaten, but I feel that corn was not
commonly carried by trappers out in the mountains, but
