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Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 13:20:54 -0700
From: "Roger Lahti" <rtlahti@email.msn.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: Fur traders in Indian dress (was: Teasing)
> Alexander Henry the Elder described how he disguised himself as a voyageur
> in 1761:
Angela,
As usual, you very susinctly put the question in perspective. Thanks. 1761.
A bit early for the Rocky Mt. Fur Trade. But then..........
> "[I] covered myself with only a cloth, passed about the middle [i.e. a
> breechclout--A.G.]; a shirt, hanging loose; a molton, or blanket coat; and
> a large, red, milled worsted cap." (Bain, 35)
What were the circumstances of the adoption of this form of covering one's
self? For lack of other attire? Is this how the Crow or Chyenne dressed? I
think the original question raised was somthing to the effect, "would it be
appropriate or correct for me to dress as the tribe I am living with
including tastefully done bead work on my Indian Style clothing?" (forgive
me for not making an accurate quote) <G>
But this was not considered Indian dress. There is no record of
> voyageurs wearing Native war shirts, or leather shirts of any sort.
Indeed,
> Rene Jussaume (of L&C fame) was described as being like an Indian in
> everything *but* his dress.
I suspect that the cases of RMFT wearing clout and leggings might be in the
same vein as the above examples making it not implausible that a trapper
might find himself in clout, leggings, mocs and a common shirt, blanket
coat, etc.
Does all this answer the original question well enough?
Capt. Lahti'
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Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 13:25:31 -0700
From: "Roger Lahti" <rtlahti@email.msn.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Parched Corn
> That's good to hear Capt.,
> When that old bird flies over here again. I am going to talk to him a
bit
> about showing him Bad Trail Pass along the Big Horn River. This is a pass
> used by the Hunt Party. Magpie has mentioned the Hunt Party several time
on
> this list. It would be good for him to see and experience it!
> Walt
Walt,
That would be great. Though Magpie is not a member of the Wilson Price Hunt
Party of AMM, he came close to joining us and we would have been happy to
have him, though you shouldn't let on about that. He is a pilgrim in the
Black R. Party but in any case is a Brother so it hardly matters to us. I'm
sure he will find a time to tell us stories about Bad Trail Pass along the
Big Horn River around some cheery camp fire this fall while we figure where
the hell the elk are! Give him the tour.
Capt. Lahti'
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Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 13:38:01 -0700
From: "Roger Lahti" <rtlahti@email.msn.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Parched Corn
Chris,
Corn was present and traded almost all the way across the Rockies to the
Pacific along the route of the Corps, long before Lewis and Clark. Leave it
dry of the cob and it is hard to prepare by other than grinding on metas
and..... oh, hell what are the names of the flat rock and the round rock
that was used even along the Columbia in present day Washington? The mind is
a terrible thing. <G> Parch it and you can grind it with your teeth.
Capt. Lahti'
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Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 14:37:05 -0600
From: "Sickler, Louis L" <louis.l.sickler@lmco.com>
Subject: RE: MtMan-List: Parched Corn
Capt.
Mano - hand piece
Metate - ground piece
Lou
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> Chris,
>
> Corn was present and traded almost all the way across the Rockies to the
> Pacific along the route of the Corps, long before Lewis and Clark. Leave
> it
> dry of the cob and it is hard to prepare by other than grinding on metas
> and..... oh, hell what are the names of the flat rock and the round rock
> that was used even along the Columbia in present day Washington? The mind
> is
> a terrible thing. <G> Parch it and you can grind it with your teeth.
>
> Capt. Lahti'
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Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 17:54:39 -0400 (EDT)
From: Buck Conner <buck_conner@email.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: Fur traders in Indian dress (was: Teasing)
American Fur Co. records indicate that voyaguers often stripped down to nothing but a breechclout. They often had to drag their loads through long stretches of swamp and marsh, depending on the time of the year. Spring
travel was wet, and summer travel was just as hard because the water tables were low and the goods had to be dragged through the river bottoms in many areas. Time of the year was a great factor in transporting goods.
Dave Kanger
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Dave,
Just look at your part of the country, then go south below Washington MO on the Missouri River in summer, the bugs would drive one crazy, when you sweat it seems to draw everything in the area. Between heavy loads, time schedules and bugs, it's amazing they didn't go crazy with the conditions.
With our life styles (some not conditioning themselves) we have seen many want-a-bee's (trying to reenact these journies) give up because of the mentioned conditions, had one guy just flat walk off leaving his gear that he couldn't carry, found out later he caught a ride from a local to a bus station and went home. Wonder what he would have done if living in the time period he was doing, lay down and die !
Like you say the time of the year can make a world of difference in our comfort levels.
Thanks for your time, take care.
Buck Conner
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Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 16:51:08 -0700
From: "Roger Lahti" <rtlahti@email.msn.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Parched Corn
Thanks Lou. I'll remember it for the rest of the day. <G>
Capt. Lahti'
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From: "Sickler, Louis L" <louis.l.sickler@lmco.com>
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Subject: RE: MtMan-List: Parched Corn
> Capt.
>
> Mano - hand piece
>
> Metate - ground piece
>
> Lou
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Roger Lahti [SMTP:rtlahti@email.msn.com]
> > Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 2:38 PM
> > To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com
> > Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Parched Corn
> >
> > Chris,
> >
> > Corn was present and traded almost all the way across the Rockies to the
> > Pacific along the route of the Corps, long before Lewis and Clark. Leave
> > it
> > dry of the cob and it is hard to prepare by other than grinding on metas
> > and..... oh, hell what are the names of the flat rock and the round rock
> > that was used even along the Columbia in present day Washington? The
mind
> > is
> > a terrible thing. <G> Parch it and you can grind it with your teeth.
> >
> > Capt. Lahti'
> >
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