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From: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com (hist_text-digest) To: hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: hist_text-digest V1 #775 Reply-To: hist_text Sender: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-hist_text-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk hist_text-digest Monday, April 2 2001 Volume 01 : Number 775 In this issue: -áááááá MtMan-List: Re: MtM New book Fur Tade Routes -áááááá MtMan-List: Battlepass Event, Wyoming July 14-22 -áááááá MtMan-List: teasing-a rant -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: teasing-a rant -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: teasing-a rant -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: teasing-a rant -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: teasing-a rant -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: teasing-a rant -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: teasing-a rant -áááááá WAS MtMan-List: teasing-a rant NOW: Where to get braintan in SC -áááááá MtMan-List: Teasing--a rant (was: Denim) -áááááá MtMan-List: First braintan -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: teasing-a rant -áááááá MtMan-List: Antoine Leroux -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: teasing-a rant -áááááá Re: WAS MtMan-List: teasing-a rant NOW: Where to get braintan in SC -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: teasing-a rant -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: teasing-a rant -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: teasing-a rant -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Re: Teasing--a rant -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Antoine Leroux -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Teasing--a rant (was: Denim) -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Teasing--a rant (was: Denim) -áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Teasing--a rant (was: Denim) -áááááá MtMan-List: Russia Sheeting and Leggings ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 11:57:28 EST From: MarkLoader@aol.com Subject: MtMan-List: Re: MtM New book Fur Tade Routes - --part1_b4.13838b21.27f76678_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This a book review passed on to me by Jim Wirshborn thought some of you migh= t=20 be interested.=20 Stay out of the Rut=20 Roadkill Exploring the Fur Trade Routes of North America By=A0 Barbara Huck Jerry Kautz Kautz Photography & Design P. O. Box 481 Nanton, Alberta, Canada TOL 1R0 Phone:=A0 403 646-2099 Email:=A0 vkautz@telusplanet.net Heartland Publications, Inc., P. O. Box 103, RPO Corydon, Winnipeg, Manitoba= ,=20 Canada R3M 3S7 Phone:=A0 204 475-7720 Fax:=A0 204 453-3615 Email:=A0 hrtland@mts.net Retail:=A0 $19.95 US 24.95 Canadian Exploring the Fur Trade Routes of North America is much more than a guideboo= k=20 with driving directions to 100 fur trade sites in North America as indicated= =20 in its subtitle. The book follows the story of the fur trade from its inception in eastern=20 North America in the 1500's through the time of the Rocky Mountain, Pacific=20 coast and high plains trade of the 1800s. While covering much on the Canadian side of the border, Great Lakes, Missour= i=20 River, the U. S. Rockies and the U. S. Pacific Northwest receive a similar=20 treatment as their Canadian counterparts. There is not a page in the book without a photograph, sketch, color map, or=20 color reproduction of art work from the fur trade era.=A0 In deed, if one=20 bought this book just for the photos and the art reproduction one would not=20 be disappointed in the least. Concerning the maps, there are numerous overview maps and thumbnail maps=20 throughout the book that help locate the sites in the text narrative. For scholars of the fur trade there may be disappointment in that the book=20 has no footnotes and only a "suggested" reading list=A0 in lieu of a=20 bibliography but the book was not intended to be a scholarly work. In addition to providing driving instructions to historical fur trade sites,= =20 the book includes locations of museum's dealing in the fur trade subject=20 matter. If ever there is a second edition of this publication it should include the=20 Museum of the Mountain Man in Pinedale, WY as an important visit in the ques= t=20 for knowledge about the fur trade. There is no hard cover edition to this publication. For ordering information individuals and dealers make contact with Jerry=20 Kautz at the above address. Wirshborn 08/10/2000 - --part1_b4.13838b21.27f76678_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <HTML>This a book review passed= on to me by Jim Wirshborn thought some of you might=20 be interested.=20 Stay out of the Rut=20 Roadkill Exploring the Fur Trade Routes of North America By=A0 Barbara Huck Jerry Kautz Kautz Photography & Design P. O. Box 481 Nanton, Alberta, Canada TOL 1R0 Phone:=A0 403 646-2099 Email:=A0 vkautz@telusplanet.net Heartland Publications, Inc., P. O. Box 103, RPO Corydon, Winnipeg, Mani= toba,=20 Canada R3M 3S7 Phone:=A0 204 475-7720 Fax:=A0 204 453-3615 Email:=A0 hrtland@mts.net Retail:=A0 $19.95 US 24.95 Canadian Exploring the Fur Trade Routes of North America is much more than a guid= ebook=20 with driving directions to 100 fur trade sites in North America as indic= ated=20 in its subtitle. The book follows the story of the fur trade from its inception in easter= n=20 North America in the 1500's through the time of the Rocky Mountain, Paci= fic=20 coast and high plains trade of the 1800s. While covering much on the Canadian side of the border, Great Lakes, Mis= souri=20 River, the U. S. Rockies and the U. S. Pacific Northwest receive a simil= ar=20 treatment as their Canadian counterparts. There is not a page in the book without a photograph, sketch, color map,= or=20 color reproduction of art work from the fur trade era.=A0 In deed, if on= e=20 bought this book just for the photos and the art reproduction one would=20= not=20 be disappointed in the least. Concerning the maps, there are numerous overview maps and thumbnail maps= =20 throughout the book that help locate the sites in the text narrative. For scholars of the fur trade there may be disappointment in that the bo= ok=20 has no footnotes and only a "suggested" reading list=A0 in lieu of a=20 bibliography but the book was not intended to be a scholarly work. In addition to providing driving instructions to historical fur trade si= tes,=20 the book includes locations of museum's dealing in the fur trade subject= =20 matter. If ever there is a second edition of this publication it should include=20= the=20 Museum of the Mountain Man in Pinedale, WY as an important visit in the=20= quest=20 for knowledge about the fur trade. There is no hard cover edition to this publication. For ordering information individuals and dealers make contact with Jerry= =20 Kautz at the above address. Wirshborn 08/10/2000 </HTML> - --part1_b4.13838b21.27f76678_boundary-- - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 11:59:39 -0800 From: Lee Newbill <bluethistle@potlatch.com> Subject: MtMan-List: Battlepass Event, Wyoming July 14-22 Listed for your viewing pleasure is an event passed on to me via email. -----------------------------------------------------------------------= - - HISTORICAL BATTLE PASS FUR and traders fair free seminars period clothes not required ON THE CONTINENTAL DIVIDE IN THE BEAUTIFUL SIERRA MADRE MOUNTAINS IN SOUTHERN WYOMING OPEN TO THE PUBLIC TRADERS & CAMPERS WELCOME JULY 14 - 22, 2001, come early and stay late PRIMITIVE CAMP, HORSE CAMP, TRADERS ROW PLENTY OF PARKING CLOSE TO CAMP MOTOR HOMES WELCOME ( NO HOOKUPS ) LOCATION IS ON HIGHWAY 70 - A PAVED MAJOR HIGHWAY - ABOUT 12 MILES WEST OF ENCAMPMENT, WYOMING Scenic lakes & fishing nearby Free hot springs 30 miles north in Saratoga, Wyo. Good spring water is available =96 lots of space and shade trees Ice available if snow banks don=92t melt =96 Fire Wood on site and free f= eed hobo stew and bisquits every day as long as it last s. Groceries and ice available in Encampment and Saratoga 11miles away EVENTS INCLUDE: Primitive Archery, Atlatl, Hawk and Knife Throw, and a Mountain Man Run Shooting is sponsored by Sierra Madre Muzzle Loading Club =96 July 14-15 period clothes not required this is open to everyone ,,,beginners welcome , free seminars ,,hide tanning,,bow making,,beading,,fire starting,,dutch oven cooking,,and kids games Shooting Fee: $15 per person - $20 per family ;we have some nice prizes: damascas billy watson knife,,Kenny Roberson shooting bag ,,linen longhunter shirt,,and prize money,, Hawk/Knife Throw $5 =96 Frying Pan Throw $1 Camping fee: $15 per person - $40 per family =96 Kids under 12 Free Traders Fee: $35 ( includes one person ) Pets Welcome ( Mean Dogs and Mean People aren=92t ) Camping and Trading Contact: Ron Hamilton 2510 Randolph Road Cookeville, TN 38506 931-528-6061 email: hamiltondrygoods@multipro.com -----------------------------------------------------------------------= - - Regards from Idaho Lee Newbill Clerk, Hog Heaven Muzzleloaders - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 15:34:40 -0600 From: "Frank Fusco" <frankf@centurytel.net> Subject: MtMan-List: teasing-a rant I just returned from an r'vous with about 200 camps. Nary once did I hear a discouraging word about someones outfit. Courtesy and tolerance were the earmarks of this gathering. Dennis Miles made a comment about 'crometan blowing the illusion'. My skins are commercial tanned and they look good. Mebbe one day I'll be able to outfit with braintan but can't at present. While there I looked at some nice braintan offered by a trader. To the eye they were visually identical to my shirt. I do not understand how my shirt could "blow the illusion". Mebbe some expert could identify it on close examination as not being braintanned but one inch scrutiny seems a bit ridikalous to me. Thet's how my stick floats. Frank G. Fusco Mountain Home, Arkansas http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/ozarksmuzzleloaders - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 13:55:50 -0800 From: "Roger Lahti" <rtlahti@email.msn.com> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: teasing-a rant To the | eye they were visually identical to my shirt. I do not understand how my | shirt could "blow the illusion". Frank, I suspect you have taken the time to make or have your shirt made with the scarf side (hair side) in rather than out. I suspect you also have a shirt made of commercially tanned leather that has not been dyed that bright yellow/gold color of most "buckskin" chrome tan. I suspect too, that what D. refers to are a set of skins made from bright yellow/gold chrome tan buckskin (which is what your hides come back like if you send them in to the tannery to have made into garment/glove leather) which unfortunatly does stand out as being just that from several hundred yards away on a dull overcast day. In all honesty for those who can not afford to buy, or will not take the 10 hours of personal time and labor to make some brain tan out of a nice deer hide, chorme tan or commercial tanned hides can be made into a very close semblence of brain tan. It is simply a matter of at the very least, sewing the garment with the flesh (fuzzy) side out rather than the smooth grain side out. A second step would be to take some of the yellow/gold color out with dye remover. A third step would be to sand off the grain and use the leather with that side out once the grain is gone. (This last step much improves the leathers "hand" and servicability as garment leather by the way) A final step would be to dry or wet scrap a fresh hide till all the Hair, grain or scarf skin and inner membrane is gone, soften it in a bath of water and brain solution, stretch and pull it while it drys, smoke it up good high in a closed up lodge with a smokey fire below and end up with brain tan. But that is probably too hard for some. <G> So how long have you had this persecution complex? <VBG> Capt. Lahti' - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 17:20:16 -0500 From: "D. Miles" <deforge1@bright.net> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: teasing-a rant I was nice before.. Not today.. there is NO comparison between commercial yellow chrometan and braintan... Unless you are blind AND braindead.. (better L.P.??) D - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 17:24:26 -0500 From: "D. Miles" <deforge1@bright.net> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: teasing-a rant Also, ANYONE that shows up to a juried event "dressed" with out being pre-juried like the participants, should be denied admittance.. PERIOD.. IMHO D - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 22:39:54 -0800 From: "Possum Hunter" <icurapossum_hunter2@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: teasing-a rant D. Miles wrote: > I was nice before.. Not today.. there is NO comparison between commercial yellow chrometan and braintan... Unless you are blind AND braindead.. On this one I must agree with the blacksmith! Why on earth would you waste so much time making an outfit out of Cheetoes yellow skins and sewing it with waxed nylon fake sinew, when you can spend the same amount of time to do it right? If you are not a deer hunter, braintan can be hard to come by. In South Carolina it is illegal to sell braintan skins, but we have a shop in Pelzer that sells very good looking commercial taned skins that look pretty close to the color of brantan. Atleast these commercial skins don't make you look like a walking cheese puff! I am nice about this issue tho, I don't tell a flatlander he looks like a cheese puff till he asks :-) BTW: I would rather see somebody in a yellow outfit just looking around than have to shoot next to a guy who is dressed right and shooting a gun he made out of a water pipe! Possum - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 20:48:51 -0700 From: "Thomas Ballstaedt" <tphsb@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: teasing-a rant I think both juried and non juried events have there place. What bothers me is, not so much the abundance of pumpkin leather [of witch can be made considerably better looking, as the captain said, with a liberal application of rit dye remover] as is the almost total lack of authentic styling. and furthermore all the myths that are perpetuated by trader's row and the long time participants [20 plus years] who have had plenty of time to pursue the truth about something they claim to love so much. Or could it be the prospect of making a quick buck that motivates them? On a more positive note I think things are slowly getting more authentic. I attended the Ft.Bridger Labor Day doins last year. I was pleasantly surprised, there were a lot of good authentic looking outfits and well equipped traders and a great outfit contest, that came down to a draw was really well done. my heart went out to those who judged the contest they had a tough time, the person who took first did so because of the "patina" on his buckskins. most of the contestants looked as though they had been scraped out of a miller painting. after so many years of, in my opinion, decadence, it restored my faith. Tom - ----- Original Message ----- From: "D. Miles" <deforge1@bright.net> To: <hist_text@lists.xmission.com> Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2001 3:24 PM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: teasing-a rant > Also, ANYONE that shows up to a juried event "dressed" with out being > pre-juried like the participants, should be denied admittance.. PERIOD.. > IMHO > D > > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2001 10:06:26 -0400 From: Linda Holley <tipis@mediaone.net> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: teasing-a rant That's strange. I know of several Brain tanners in South Carolina who sell their material. Just step across to Georgia or N. Carolina or do a trade if there is a problem. Or check with these two sites and I am sure you will find plenty of Brian tan. http://www.secrestpaintedhides.com/ For those who love good hide painting http://www.braintan.com/toc.html For those who want to brain tan and buy http://www.abotech.com/ For those who need information on primitive living and where to get brain tanned hides. This guy lived in South Carolina until moving to Ashville to be near the girl friend and did sell hides in South Carolina. So if there is a law.......? And, what is the color of Brian tan? Linda Holley Possum Hunter wrote: > D. Miles wrote: > > I was nice before.. Not today.. there is NO comparison between commercial > yellow chrometan and braintan... Unless you are blind AND braindead.. > > On this one I must agree with the blacksmith! Why on earth would you waste > so much time making an outfit out of Cheetoes yellow skins and sewing it > with waxed nylon fake sinew, when you can spend the same amount of time to > do it right? If you are not a deer hunter, braintan can be hard to come by. > In South Carolina it is illegal to sell braintan skins, but we have a shop > in Pelzer that sells very good looking commercial taned skins that look > pretty close to the color of brantan. Atleast these commercial skins don't > make you look like a walking cheese puff! I am nice about this issue tho, I > don't tell a flatlander he looks like a cheese puff till he asks :-) > BTW: I would rather see somebody in a yellow outfit just looking around than > have to shoot next to a guy who is dressed right and shooting a gun he made > out of a water pipe! > > Possum > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2001 10:57:33 EDT From: HikingOnThru@cs.com Subject: WAS MtMan-List: teasing-a rant NOW: Where to get braintan in SC In a message dated 4/1/01 10:07:25 AM Eastern Daylight Time, tipis@mediaone.net writes: << That's strange. I know of several Brain tanners in South Carolina who sell their material. >> Would you happen to have the numbers and contact info of those persons in SC who sell braintan? - -C.Kent - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2001 09:06:13 -0600 From: "Gretchen Ormond" <leona3@sourceoneinternet.com> Subject: MtMan-List: Teasing--a rant (was: Denim) Maybe I misunderstood Angela but I thought this subject was more about hazing not being PC. In my High School we had a group of mentally challenged students (I hope that is an OK term). Well, I would never have concidered teasing them, but some did. You know a funny thing happened that altered my perspective; by the time we graduated those that called them retards were on pretty good terms with some of them, hell the teasers even let Mikey on the football team and gave him a lettermans jacket (He couldn't run but he sure could make the teasing a two way street). The day we graduated most of those challenged students were just as foriegn to me as they were the first day I met them. I see it in my four year olds play already, some teasing is meant to distance and hurt but most of it is intended to breakdown barriers not build them. But it might be hard to tell the difference if you are on the recieving end or a doting parent. That is one of the reasons buckskinners give you such God aweful names. Wear them with pride. Right Magpie? Or being ugly right Crazy? Or having sore feet cause your tall horse can cover ground in hobbles as fast as without, ya that's me and I have a God aweful name too. Wynn Ormond - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2001 11:00:08 EDT From: HikingOnThru@cs.com Subject: MtMan-List: First braintan I just wanted to tell someone I did my first braintan project yesterday and am finishing today. It is not a big one! A very suicidal squirrel who decided toget under my wheel no matter what!!! <BG> Everything was done on "miniscale" following Matt's book and a little advice from Mr. Churchill. Gonna go soften and smoke! Let you guys know how it turns out. (Think I can get a pair of mocs out of this? <VBG>) - -C.Kent - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 22:25:55 -0800 From: "larry pendleton" <yrrw@airmail.net> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: teasing-a rant I was nice before.. Not today.. there is NO comparison between commercial yellow chrometan and braintan... Unless you are blind AND braindead.. (better L.P.??) D >> Oh yes, that is the Dennis some of us know and love. I like this one a lot better than the 'hyper-sensitive', 'politically correct' one. Pendleton - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2001 08:03:33 -0500 From: James Leroux <james.leroux@sympatico.ca> Subject: MtMan-List: Antoine Leroux A sincere thank you to Vic Barkin, Jim Hardee, Mike Moore, and Victoria Pate for the time and effort you took to answer my query regarding Antoine Leroux. The quick responses to my query, the helpful information and suggested readings, and the offers of further help were gratefully appreciated. Obviously there are very helpful people on this list. Keep up the good work. - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2001 11:16:16 -0700 From: "larry pendleton" <yrrw@airmail.net> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: teasing-a rant Dennis, I wonder if some of these folks ever heard the phrase, "Cowboy Up ! Ain't No Help Comin!" LP - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2001 13:08:25 -0400 From: Linda Holley <tipis@mediaone.net> Subject: Re: WAS MtMan-List: teasing-a rant NOW: Where to get braintan in SC That is why I sent you the web sites so you can do your own investigating. Linda Holley HikingOnThru@cs.com wrote: > In a message dated 4/1/01 10:07:25 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > tipis@mediaone.net writes: > > << That's strange. I know of several Brain tanners in South Carolina who sell > their material. >> > > Would you happen to have the numbers and contact info of those persons in SC > who sell braintan? > > -C.Kent > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2001 15:23:54 -0500 (EDT) From: Buck Conner <buck_conner@email.com> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: teasing-a rant I was nice before.. Not today.. there is NO comparison between commercial yellow chrometan and braintan... Unless you are blind AND braindead.. (better L.P.??) D >> Oh yes, that is the Dennis some of us know and love. I like this one a lot better than the 'hyper-sensitive', 'politically correct' one. Pendleton ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Or the sometimes "up yours" that seems to squeeeeeak out. - ----------------------------------------------- FREE! The World's Best Email Address @email.com Reserve your name now at http://www.email.com - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2001 16:52:30 -0400 From: "D. Miles" <deforge1@bright.net> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: teasing-a rant " Or the sometimes "up yours" that seems to squeeeeeak out." Buck, I calls 'em as I sees 'em. If I get under someons skin along the way, well, they should grow thicker skin. D - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2001 14:53:15 -0600 From: John Kramer <kramer@kramerize.com> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: teasing-a rant At 10:06 AM 4/1/01 -0400, you wrote: >And, what is the color of Brian tan? > >Linda Holley Linda, If memory serves: pink to bright red in the middle and green around the gills. John... Use it up, wear it out, make do, or do without. John Kramer <kramer@kramerize.com> - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2001 14:13:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Sega <chrissega1@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: Teasing--a rant Hey if you are gonna braintan that hide I suggest you read as much as you can on it, Use the wet Scrape method and dont jump into it until you have at least 2 days to work on it consecutively. Get up early and work through the day. Preparation and methodical action will help you immensely. I had to learn the hard way. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/?.refer=text - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2001 20:55:58 -0600 From: Mike Moore <amm1616@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Antoine Leroux James, Thanks for the kind words. I don't know about the rest of the group you mentioned, but it is unusual to get a thanks for the work we do like this. And I get about one a week. The others maybe more.So, I'll give you another tidbit I ran across in some casual reading on Antoine- David Weber in his "Taos Trappers" (a foot note on page 161 gives the spanish rendishion of his name- Joaquin Leru and book about his entitled "The Blazed Trail of Antoine Leroux" by a Parkhill.). He also shows up on 11 or 12 pages in Weber's book. Thanks again. mike. James Leroux wrote: > A sincere thank you to Vic Barkin, Jim Hardee, Mike Moore, and Victoria > Pate for the time and effort you took to answer my query regarding > Antoine Leroux. The quick responses to my query, the helpful information > and suggested readings, and the offers of further help were gratefully > appreciated. Obviously there are very helpful people on this list. Keep > up the good work. > > ---------------------- > hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 01:48:24 EDT From: SWcushing@aol.com Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Teasing--a rant (was: Denim) In a message dated 4/1/01 8:00:09 AM, leona3@sourceoneinternet.com writes: << That is one of the reasons buckskinners give you such God aweful names. Wear them with pride. Right Magpie? Or being ugly right Crazy? >> Haaaaaaa.... Magpie ain't so bad... better than "Stinkin Water Steve"...LOL. Actually I think this whole line started after some guy had his buddies razz him about his "carhart" breeches.... If ya can't pick on yer sidekicks, who can ya pick on???!? <G> Magpie - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 09:15:27 -0700 From: "Roger Lahti" <rtlahti@email.msn.com> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Teasing--a rant (was: Denim) Haaaaaaa.... Magpie ain't so bad... better than "Stinkin Water Steve"...LOL. Magpie, Remember too, that we had already given the name "Pigpen" to our other 'former' camp mate. "Magpie" just seemed to fit better than "Stinkin Water Steve" since most of us had already experienced that "keg" problem years ago and figured out how to solve it. <G> Capt. Lahti' - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 09:33:53 -0700 From: "ALAN AVERY" <aavery@telus.net> Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Teasing--a rant (was: Denim) True enough Magpie! Ya got to have a sense of humour right? And as far as names go, don't forget the ladies, I know a gal who once dropped a toasted marshmellow down her cleavage, and has been known ever since as Sticky Tits! Black Knife Alan Avery - -----Original Message----- From: SWcushing@aol.com <SWcushing@aol.com> To: hist_text@lists.xmission.com <hist_text@lists.xmission.com> Date: April 1, 2001 10:48 PM Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Teasing--a rant (was: Denim) In a message dated 4/1/01 8:00:09 AM, leona3@sourceoneinternet.com writes: << That is one of the reasons buckskinners give you such God aweful names. Wear them with pride. Right Magpie? Or being ugly right Crazy? >> Haaaaaaa.... Magpie ain't so bad... better than "Stinkin Water Steve"...LOL. Actually I think this whole line started after some guy had his buddies razz him about his "carhart" breeches.... If ya can't pick on yer sidekicks, who can ya pick on???!? <G> Magpie - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html - ---------------------- hist_text list info: http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 15:30:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Sega <chrissega1@yahoo.com> Subject: MtMan-List: Russia Sheeting and Leggings I am wondering what exactly the trade records and ledgers are referring to when they mention Russia sheeting. References are made to russia sheeting for pants and I guess it was probably used as tarps etc. What was the weight of it, and was it cotton, hemp, or linen? On those same lines is there any documentation on the use of it for leggings? The book of buckskinning 2, I think, mentions the use of cloth for Mitasses and Botas. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! 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