Wynn........Don't leave us hanging!! What plunder do you have that is
nickel plated that would look more period correct without the plating?
Nothing to exciting. I want to try the English irons (stirrups).
Everyone wonders if they will be hard on mocassined feet, but I said
ôThatÆs what they used to use and there is one way to find out.ö
Wynn Ormond
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Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 10:35:09 -0700
From: Charlie Webb <cwebbbpdr@juno.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: Teasing--a rant
Three Cheers and a hardy Hoooorah for Angela,
I have long wished that the experts and hivernants could/would
show more understanding and compassion for those who are trying
to do it right, but simply lack the experience, time, and perhaps the
desire to acquire the necessary knowledge for an accurate portrayal.
I am sure that some folks really don't give a hoot weather their
outfit is as accurately portrayed as it possibly could be, perhaps they
don't wish to bother with the discipline necessary to do their own
research. What ever the reason, some folks do it right, others try to
do it right and then there are those that want to play the game, but
wish to play it their own way, bending existing rules as well as
creating new ones that seem to aid in justifying their existence.
My heartfelt wish would be that "those who do it right" would
be more willing to share their experience and knowledge with
"those who try" and especially those that want to play the game
but simply don't understand the why's and how's. I belive that fewer
good people (families) would be driven away if the hazing teasing
etc. ended and more understanding and compassion was shown
them. Perhaps we might even convert a few of those who don't
give a hoot.
On a personal note, I have been playing our game a long time,
I have done years of research, traveled the historical trails, visited
rendezvous sites, trapped beaver, foraged ( that is what we used to
do before the term trekking was created.) and have worked hard
on various outfits trying to be accurate in my own portrayals. BUT
alas, I still haven't got it perfect! However with the hivernants help
maybe someday.
Respectfully.
Charlie Webb
WHY do so many people in this 'fun hobby' of ours get _their_ fun by
>
> teasing others? I *know* that such teasing has driven many people
> out of
> camp permanently.
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Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 13:07:44 -0500
From: "D. Miles" <deforge1@bright.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: Teasing--a rant
May I??
Personally, if you want to do it right and have a yearning to know &
learn.. FANDAMNTASTIC!! I will bend over backwards for you (as will anyone
that is serious about this that I know) , no matter what your research
level, experience, whatever... If you don't care for whatever reason and
are happy with what you are doing at whatever research level (or none)..
Again, GREAT! Have at it! Invite me over for a cool one under your awning
and such, and I will accept, gratefully.. And I'll share what I have with
you. BUT, if you are in this latter group,don't ask me a question about
gear, your outfit, your accouterments &ct., then get pissed when I give you
honest answers.. IF I am asked, I will answer honestly. And I won't
whitewash.. If it is something I don't know, I will answer the same.. "I
don't know" I have found that alot of the more vocal latter group are the
ones that use the words, nazi, elitist. snob & a few others pretty
liberally.. Also, keep it in mind, no reason to get nasty when you get a
rejection letter to a juried event... The jury committee are not nazi's
either (although I suspect some fascists in the group<G>) They are going by
their guidelines, which generally are backed up with ALLOT of solid
documentation.And don't get all indignant and mad when you show up at the
gate to a juried event clad head to toe in chrometan, painter pants and
other scary shiny stuff just to "visit & walk around" this will blow the
"illusion" of the period for the participants faster than anything I know
of. If there is a visitor day, come in street clothes, enjoy and mebby
learn.. You will find that these folk ain't all that bad.. No one will make
fun or "tease" you for your questions.(even if you DO look funny). And as
matter of my experience, if you are at a doins that let most anything fly,
the ones that are truly trying to do it "right" and are not going to tease
you either. At least with the bunch of mild mannered, deeply thoughtful
Gentlemen I generally find myself surrounded by..
It is a two way street,, folks.. And don't forget it.
Thanks
D
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Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 11:04:22 -0800
From: "Roger Lahti" <rtlahti@email.msn.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: Teasing--a rant
D,
Wow! I'm impressed D on your presentation here. Have you had a life altering
experience? <G>
Seriously, I really don't see that much if any razzing going on in "public"
circles and not that much in private intimate circles. There are bound to be
a few people who can't help themselves and make disparaging remarks but for
the most part I see the more experienced folks either eager to share their
hard won knowledge or quietly keeping their "opinions" to themselves.
So, D, what do you wear around your neck? I wear a black silk scarf. <G>
Capt. Lahti'
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| May I??
| Personally, if you want to do it right and have a yearning to know &
| learn.. FANDAMNTASTIC!! I will bend over backwards for you (as will anyone
| that is serious about this that I know) , no matter what your research
| level, experience, whatever... If you don't care for whatever reason and
| are happy with what you are doing at whatever research level (or none)..
| Again, GREAT! Have at it! Invite me over for a cool one under your awning
| and such, and I will accept, gratefully.. And I'll share what I have with
| you. BUT, if you are in this latter group,don't ask me a question about
| gear, your outfit, your accouterments &ct., then get pissed when I give
you
| honest answers..
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Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 14:03:17 -0500
From: "D. Miles" <deforge1@bright.net>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: Teasing--a rant
Capt...
Have you had a life altering experience?
>>Nah.. Too much coal smoke this week..<G>
So, D, what do you wear around your neck? I wear a black silk scarf.
>>Me too... Also a "remembrence" bead made by a Brother for those that were
closest to a
fella that left us to soon to hunt beaver in that valley where they jump up
and say "take me, Bill Tyler.."
D
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Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 22:41:15 EST
From: WSmith4100@aol.com
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: Teasing--a rant
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Dennis(and others), I appreciate your comments, as well as your committment.
I am one of those "newbies", who is trying to listen and learn, look and
glean as much info as possible. Trust me, I would love to have the time,
resources and finances to be able to show up in braintain with a Charleville
musket or other period correct smokepole cradled in my arms. My hat is off
to those of you who do. By the way I am jealous as hell of all of you who do.
Maybe someday I'll be able to, but for now, I have my little carbine .54
"nipple hugger" that I got for Xmas from my pa. Hope to make meat with it
someday. If'n I do, D your invited for a big slab and an ice cold one.
P.S.
gonna try and brain tan a hide this year. wish me luck I know I will
need it Keep yer powder dry and your backtrail in sight.
ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ
Wade "Sleeps Loudly" Smith
Boise, ID
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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=2>Dennis(and others), I appreciate your comments, as well as your committment.
<BR>I am one of those "newbies", who is trying to listen and learn, look and
<BR>glean as much info as possible. Trust me, I would love to have the time,
<BR>resources and finances to be able to show up in braintain with a Charleville
<BR>musket or other period correct smokepole cradled in my arms. My hat is off
<BR>to those of you who do. By the way I am jealous as hell of all of you who do.
<BR> Maybe someday I'll be able to, but for now, I have my little carbine .54
<BR>"nipple hugger" that I got for Xmas from my pa. Hope to make meat with it
<BR>someday. If'n I do, D your invited for a big slab and an ice cold one.
<BR>
<BR>P.S.
<BR> gonna try and brain tan a hide this year. wish me luck I know I will
<BR>need it Keep yer powder dry and your backtrail in sight.
<BR>
<BR>ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ
<BR>
<BR>Wade "Sleeps Loudly" Smith
<BR>Boise, ID</FONT></HTML>
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Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 10:40:09 -0500 (EST)
From: Buck Conner <buck_conner@email.com>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Re: Teasing--a rant
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From: "D. Miles" <deforge1@bright.net>
May I??
Personally, if you want to do it right and have a yearning to know & learn.. FANDAMNTASTIC!! I will bend over backwards for you (as will anyone that is serious about this that I know) , no matter what your research level, experience, whatever... If you don't care for whatever reason and are happy with what you are doing at whatever research level (or none)..Again, GREAT! Have at it!
Invite me over for a cool one under your awning and such, and I will accept, gratefully.. And I'll share what I have with you. BUT, if you are in this latter group,don't ask me a question about gear, your outfit, your accouterments &ct., then get pissed when I give you honest answers.. IF I am asked, I will answer honestly. And I won't whitewash.. If it is something I don't know, I will answer the same.. "I don't know" I have found that alot of the more vocal latter group are the ones that use the words, nazi, elitist. snob & a few others pretty liberally..
Also, keep it in mind, no reason to get nasty when you get a
rejection letter to a juried event... The jury committee are not nazi's either (although I suspect some fascists in the group<G>) They are going by their guidelines, which generally are backed up with ALLOT of solid documentation.And don't get all indignant and mad when you show up at the gate to a juried event clad head to toe in chrometan, painter pants and other scary shiny stuff just to "visit & walk around" this will blow the "illusion" of the period for the participants faster than anything I know of. If there is a visitor day, come in street clothes, enjoy and mebby
learn.. You will find that these folk ain't all that bad.. No one will make fun or "tease" you for your questions.(even if you DO look funny).
And as matter of my experience, if you are at a doins that let most anything fly, the ones that are truly trying to do it "right" and are not going to tease you either. At least with the bunch of mild mannered, deeply thoughtful Gentlemen I generally find myself surrounded by.. It is a two way street,, folks.. And don't forget it.
If your not willing to listen and learn, make some changes or whatever is need, then don't go around crying, that's usually when yee will get the crap (you started it now suffer).
Many don't want to go any deeper than where they are in this thing called "living history" that's fine, those that do, that's fine also. Remember how your folks would always tell you "you get out what you put in, in life" same applies with this experience.
When I started Clark & Sons Merc. it was for just this reason, many would spend the time and money with researching their equipage and then short themselves when in camp eating non period edibles. They where not experiencing the total picture, C&SM gave them the options to get period correct foods for their time period, along with documentated cookwares, get the idea (now they're getting closer to what life was like).
For many they are not interested in this depth, that's fine, I like to hear "Classical" music sometimes when at a period settlement, but wouldn't go to an opera, that's my business, like those only wanting to stay at the level where they are, their business.
Let's move on, this ones been talked about so many times and has become nothing more than a "pissing match".
Thanks for your time, take care.
Buck Conner
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