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hist_text-digest      Tuesday, February 20 2001      Volume 01 : Number 752



In this issue:

-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Tim Jewell's tarp
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Canadian fur trade museums (was: Saws)
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Tim Jewell's tarp
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Lewis&Clark and Mt Hood!
-áááááá MtMan-List: Northwest Journal?
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Tim Jewell's tarp
-áááááá MtMan-List: Insult's, was Lewis & Clark and Mt. Hood
-áááááá MtMan-List: "Pioneer" lists
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: "Pioneer" lists
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Lewis&Clark and Mt Hood!
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Lewis&Clark and Mt Hood!
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Tim Jewell's tarp
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: French fur traders & Voyageurs in the American West by Le Roy R. Hafren
-áááááá Fw: MtMan-List: Tim Jewell's tarp
-áááááá MtMan-List: Canadian fur trade
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Tim Jewell's tarp
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Canadian fur trade
-áááááá MtMan-List: insults and bickering
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Insult's, was Lewis & Clark and Mt. Hood
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: French fur traders & Voyageurs in the American West by Le Roy R. Hafren
-áááááá RE: MtMan-List: insults and bickering
-áááááá MtMan-List: I'm back :)
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: insults and bickering
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: I'm back :)
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: I'm back :)
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: I'm back :)
-áááááá MtMan-List: Flintlock popularity
-áááááá MtMan-List: insults and bickering
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Canadian fur trade museums
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: insults and bickering
-áááááá MtMan-List: bickering...off topic

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Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 12:28:04 -0600
From: Victoria Pate <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Tim Jewell's tarp

On Tue, 20 Feb 2001 12:40:06 EST [e-mail] writes:
> I've found that a loop sewn in the middle seam allows me to tie UP to
> a  branch, increasing the headroom underneath without the use of a full

> length center support.  This also allows for a 'plow-point' or
'reflector'
> set up  with all poles outside.  Barney

             Hi Barney,
                    Please explain what a 'plow
             point' is and also a  " 'reflector' set up with all poles
             outside".

            Thanks,
             Victoria

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Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 11:32:17 -0700
From: Angela Gottfred <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Canadian fur trade museums (was: Saws)

  Lee Newbill <[e-mail]> asked
 >> Are there any museums in the western half of Canada dedicated
to the British-Canadian Fur Trade? Or even a good reference book with
photo's or illustrations of equipment?<<

Nope, as far as I know, there are no fur trade museums anywhere in Canada.
BUT a great place to visit would be the Manitoba Museum, in Winnipeg, since
they now hold the HBC Archives & Collection. Unfortunately, I haven't made
it there since they acquired it.

As for a book, the best I know is Wheeler's _A Toast to the Fur Trade_,
which is (ahem) *much* better documented than any of the Fur Press
"Sketchbook" series.

In haste,
Your humble & obedient servant,
Angela Gopttfred


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Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 13:46:54 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Tim Jewell's tarp

In a message dated 2/20/01 10:28:22 AM Pacific Standard Time, [e-mail]
writes:  <<  Please explain what a 'plow point' is and also a  " 'reflector'
set up with all poles outside".  >>

Victoria, et al, First, please note that both these set-ups can also be done
with no poles by having loops on the center seam, and using correct rope
placement.

Here's my best shot at an explanation:  The plow-point has three corners
pegged to the ground, the 4th elevated with a support pole in the center of
the entry, and another support pole running down the outside of the center
seam, from the top of the opening to the ground at the back of the tarp. The
part that touches the ground (the lowest back of the tent) looks like the
front of a plow, hence the name.

The reflector is set up with one full edge pegged to the ground, the opposite
edge made rigid with a pole and tied to two uprights; or you can put half the
tarp pegged on the ground to create a floor, and angle up the other half with
supports.

I know these explanations are marginal at best, and for that I apologize.
If you (or any other readers) have a Panther catalog, check the page on
Diamond Shelters; it has diagrams.  If not, and any of you want pics, contact
me offline and I will fax or mail photocopies of the designs. Both are very
cool.   Barney

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Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 13:57:32 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Lewis&Clark and Mt Hood!

In a message dated 2/19/1 07:44:06 PM, [e-mail] writes:

<<Or are you THAT stupd??? Cmon up here to Ohio and "jibe" me.. I will show

you "insecure" Threat?   Nooo..Promise? You bet your ass.>>

Dennis
My observation is that you are completly out of line - No. 1 to be talking
like that to the man and No.2. to be talking like that on this screen and
perpetuating something so negative.
I will ask you now to cut it off.
Most Sincerely
Richard C. James

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Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 11:32:21 -0800
From: Pat Quilter <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: Northwest Journal?

To Angela:
I was visting my friend Bruce Druliner who is not on-line (or even on-grid
for that matter). He was wondering if you still publish the Northwest
Journal (or words to that effect), which would presumably be of interest to
all of us on this history list. If so, I can advise you of his mailing
address.
Best regards
Pat Quilter

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Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 15:23:40 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Tim Jewell's tarp

> > I've found that a loop sewn in the middle seam allows me to tie UP to a
>  > branch,

If you add a square piece of leather on the bottomside of that loop, then you
can stick a pole in it and accomplish the same thing.  Sometimes loose sticks
are easier to find than suitable branches.


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Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 15:26:57 -0500 (EST)
From: [e-mail]
Subject: MtMan-List: Insult's, was Lewis & Clark and Mt. Hood

Greg, the men you are arguing withe are the backbone of this List! You
have only been on this list a short time and often make what might be
taken as rude or overbearing remark's.I do not often post preferring to
sit back and learn but feel this is one of those time's that call's for
some comment I do not think any one on this list feel's that they are
and intellectual,just people interested in History . All I am trying to
say (if not well..) is perhaps it would be best to back off a bit, look
at the word's you have spoken before insulting the member's of this list
as individual's and as a whole. This is not a place for ego but place to
learn from each other! This is in no way an attack on you Greg.
You have many interesting things to say, just lighten up a bit on the
sarcasm and enjoy!  So to all let's get back to the good stuff, which is
of course why we are here!

 Your Most Humble Servant,
                M.A Smith Apprentice Watchmaker

P.S As you may have noticed by my signature I have begun my Education in
Ye olde Art of Watchmaking with my Uncle and will be attending the
NAWCC's school of Horology as of March 5th.
                         M.

"In Wildness Is the Preservation of the World"     Thoreau

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Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 14:41:06 -0600
From: "Best, Dianne" <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: "Pioneer" lists

Can any of you fellas (or gals) point me to a list that deals with a later
time period, like 1850-1900, other than "old west"?

Thanks!

Jin-o-ta-ka (Dianne)


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Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 16:19:14 -0800
From: Linda Holley <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: "Pioneer" lists

What area are you looking for???  Cowboy, Native american, Single shot or Wild
west? etc.

Linda Holley

"Best, Dianne" wrote:

> Can any of you fellas (or gals) point me to a list that deals with a later
> time period, like 1850-1900, other than "old west"?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Jin-o-ta-ka (Dianne)
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Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 14:51:18 -0600
From: [e-mail] (Brad Everett)
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Lewis&Clark and Mt Hood!

> But they all have to learn to live in the same box

> How about we drop our laundry and git with the program.




Durn Fox , Thats about as nice as I've ever heard you be in a coons age,
Oops! I ment to say raccoons age,hehehe.
Trapper,
 Trek'n through time, backwards!




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Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 16:45:43 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Lewis&Clark and Mt Hood!

If you boys can't all play nice together, we're gonna send you all to bed
without supper.

Longshot

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Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 16:49:42 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Tim Jewell's tarp

In a message dated 2/20/01, [e-mail] writes:

<< ----( stuff deleted )---- On you next project leave off loops entirely and
use some of the same stout
 cord to tie smooth round pebbles (or 50 caliber round balls) into a little
 pocket formed at each corner.... ----( stuff deleted )---- >>

Having started out with this method myself, I can attest to what a royal pain
it is. Personally I went to loops. Just an observation.

Longshot

"Longshot's Rendezvous Homepage"
(Newly Redesigned)
http://members.aol.com/lodgepole/longshot.html

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Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 14:54:14 -0700
From: "Walt Foster" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: French fur traders & Voyageurs in the American West by Le Roy R. Hafren

> Hey Walt, I have a copy, what do you need? No-Toes. You might check with
Jon
> Towns also.

Hi No-Toes, wondering if this book is open for discussion?  If it is
familiar to list members?

Walt


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Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 16:24:25 -0600
From: "Lanney Ratcliff" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Fw: MtMan-List: Tim Jewell's tarp

Longshot
Man, talk about different strokes for different folks, I find the cord ties
to be easier to use and to make minor adjustments to the tension of the
canvas.  Just proves that a person should continually work with his stuff
until a method is arrived at that is suitable to THAT person.
The reinforced square in the middle is a good item, too.  One of my tarps
has a little leather loop on one side of the canvas at the reinforcing patch
and a pair of ties on the other.  I usually tie off to a convenient limb
from the leather loop.  I use the ties in a couple of ways. For one thing,
it can be used to secure something that might be needed in the dark of
night.  I have hung little candle lanterns from them, too, but I don't
recommend it.....nor do I pack a lantern anymore.   Sometimes, when the wind
is up a little (and I am set up as a diamond) I will cut a long green limb
or sapling somewhat bigger around than a broom handle  and  place the butt
end on the ground at the very point of the end of the fly where it comes to
the ground and the other end along the ridge line of the diamond,  securing
it with the two ties, creating a ridge pole.  I then jam a stout forked
stick (about 2 feet long) under  the ridge pole somewhere near the rear of
the diamond to support the ridge pole.  This makes a really strong set and
has served me well in some pretty strong blows that saw other diamond
shelters blown down.  Be sure to cut the forks for the support pole so that
the ends of the forks don't bear on the canvas, otherwise you will poke
holes in the canvas.
YMOS
Lanney Ratcliff

> In a message dated 2/20/01, [e-mail] writes:
>
> << ----( stuff deleted )---- On you next project leave off loops entirely
and
> use some of the same stout
>  cord to tie smooth round pebbles (or 50 caliber round balls) into a
little
>  pocket formed at each corner.... ----( stuff deleted )---- >>
>
> Having started out with this method myself, I can attest to what a royal
pain
> it is. Personally I went to loops. Just an observation.
>
> Longshot
>
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> (Newly Redesigned)
> http://members.aol.com/lodgepole/longshot.html
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Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 15:00:33 -0800
From: Lee Newbill <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: Canadian fur trade

Angela

Thank you for the information, on the museum, it's a tad bit out of the way,
and I probably won't be getting there anytime soon, on the book, as with most
of our really good books, it's out of print. I did find several copies after
looking in Bibliofind (2 copies)  http://www.bibliofind.com and Bookfinder (10
copies  http://www.bookfinder.com  There wasn't nuttin in Amazon.com

Ranges from $15 to $45 a copy, all appear to be soft covers.

Wheeler (1985), SOFTBOUND, 8.5x11", 105 pages, F/O Map, Illust'd, Great
drawings of Canadian fur trade canoes,tools,goods etc. Wheeler (1985), Great
Lakes Fur Trade Canada

Regards from N. Idaho

Lee Newbill


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Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 17:55:57 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Tim Jewell's tarp

> Having started out with this method myself, I can attest to what a royal
pain
>  it is. Personally I went to loops. Just an observation.

Long,
Just because you got rid of the Big Top doesn't mean you still ain't a
traveling circus.
I think you went to that method cause you spend so much time unloading
everything else that you don't have time to set up your tent.

Why don't you tell them about your "trek" last fall in the Shawnee, where you
foundered under the weight.  Just cause everyone calls you a big ox doesn't
mean you can carry the weight of one.  <G>

TOF

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Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 17:58:27 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Canadian fur trade

Whoever was reading the book, "Company of Adventurers" might want to check
out the companion book by the same author, "Caesars of the Wilderness."  Lots
more good info on the Hudson Bay Co. and the Canadian fur trade.

Dave Kanger

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Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 19:07:59 -0500
From: Marc Stewart <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: insults and bickering

In a message dated 2/19/2001 9:44:08 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[e-mail] writes:

<< >>Listen, you porkeatin' flatlander, you outta know better than
"jibe" a
 fella that you don't know...
 Or are you THAT stupd??? Cmon up here to Ohio and "jibe" me.. I will
show
 you "insecure" Threat?   Nooo..Promise? You bet your ass.
 D >>



    O.K.,  I've had enough of this crap.  The worlds not bad enough
having to do things that we don't want to do, some of you live your
lives trying to make everyone else miserable doing the things we enjoy
doing.  Anyone who is pathetic enough to get into a slugfest with
someone they've never met, over a difference in opinion involving a
HOBBY is just sad.  I work my ass off all day long, as most of you do,
and look forward to coming home and spending time with my family and
relaxing.  I used to enjoy reading the different ideas and suggestions
posted on this list, but to be honest, wading through the hateful
garbage that some of you spout on a regular basis is not worth the
effort.  I was under the impression that most of us on this list were
mature adults.  Obviously, judging by the "call to brawl",  I was wrong
about some of you.
     Name calling, threats and insults just show how immature some of us
really are..maybe its a good thing that we enjoy being alone in the
woods so much, that way, it cuts down on the contact that y'all have
with the rest of the human race.
    To those who offer good ideas with a brotherly tongue, I will miss
your words of wisdom.  To those who have no regard for others or feel
the need to continually put others down, maybe its time that you took a
step back from your "hobby" and worked on getting a life instead.
Good-bye list and God Bless you all...I'm outta here.


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Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 19:18:06 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Insult's, was Lewis & Clark and Mt. Hood

In a message dated 2/20/2001 3:27:44 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[e-mail] writes:

<< Greg, the men you are arguing withe are the backbone of this List!  >>

I'm not arguing.  Go back and read the sputum I was responding to with a
rational reply. I am wondering how long I have to read this list before I get
my "backbone card".  Who issues it? Does the card allow me to insult and
attack people who have a differing viewpoint?  Just curious.

Greg

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Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 17:12:59 -0800
From: "Butch Wright" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: French fur traders & Voyageurs in the American West by Le Roy R. Hafren

Yes, I just picked it up a few weeks ago from Barnes and Noble ($44).  It's
being reprinted by The Arthur H. Clark Co. of Spokane, WA (1995).

Butch

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From: "Walt Foster" <[e-mail]>
To: <[e-mail]>
Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2001 5:53 AM
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: French fur traders & Voyageurs in the American West
by Le Roy R. Hafren


> Does anybody else on this list have this book?
>
>  French fur traders & Voyageurs in the American West by Le Roy R. Hafren ?
>
> Walt
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Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 19:40:54 -0600
From: Todd <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: MtMan-List: insults and bickering

Ya know, I'm a relative newcomer to the list and all, but it does seem =
that the tone has changed over the past year or so.    I don't know what =
it is.   I remember askin' one time, when I first found the list, about =
beards and their provenance, and I caught some good natured ribbing, =
mostly for poking a stick in a much debated topic.  But lately, we've =
had some downright antagonistic, and frankly provocative posts and then =
some pretty harsh responses.   Seemed like some were wanting to pick a =
squabble, and some were obliging 'em.   'Course, I also know that if =
someone were face to face and had spouted off some of the things said, =
there WOULD a been a scuffle, I'm quite sure.   I'm not naming names, =
but damn, can't we tone it down just a hair?  I for one have a great =
deal to learn, I HAVE learned a great deal, and would rather not see a =
good source of info turned into a pissin' match.=20


Now, here's a question.  I went out to Ft. Osage a few weeks ago, and =
I'll be working as a militia volunteer going forward.   Can anyone point =
me to good sources to look at for the early 1800's here in Missouri?    =
Most of the stuff I've got and read seems more geared either toward the =
Rockies, or back toward the Middle Country. Local shops here'bouts are =
geared toward the Civil War.   Seems like there's a gap, where nothing =
happened here along the Missouri.  I know that can't be true, the War of =
1812 got fought, and the fort was built for a reason, although I think =
it was mostly for trade, and little fighting took place hereabouts. =20

Anybody done any diggin on the 18-teens time period?

> -----Original Message-----
> From: [e-mail]
> [mailto:[e-mail]]On Behalf Of Marc Stewart
> Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2001 6:08 PM
> To: [e-mail]
> Subject: MtMan-List: insults and bickering
>=20
>=20
> In a message dated 2/19/2001 9:44:08 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> [e-mail] writes:
>=20
> << >>Listen, you porkeatin' flatlander, you outta know better than
> "jibe" a
>  fella that you don't know...
>  Or are you THAT stupd??? Cmon up here to Ohio and "jibe" me.. I will
> show
>  you "insecure" Threat?   Nooo..Promise? You bet your ass.
>  D >>
>=20
>=20
>=20
>     O.K.,  I've had enough of this crap.  The worlds not bad enough
> having to do things that we don't want to do, some of you live your
> lives trying to make everyone else miserable doing the things we enjoy
> doing.  Anyone who is pathetic enough to get into a slugfest with
> someone they've never met, over a difference in opinion involving a
> HOBBY is just sad.  I work my ass off all day long, as most of you do,
> and look forward to coming home and spending time with my family and
> relaxing.  I used to enjoy reading the different ideas and suggestions
> posted on this list, but to be honest, wading through the hateful
> garbage that some of you spout on a regular basis is not worth the
> effort.  I was under the impression that most of us on this list were
> mature adults.  Obviously, judging by the "call to brawl",  I was =
wrong
> about some of you.
>      Name calling, threats and insults just show how immature some of =
us
> really are..maybe its a good thing that we enjoy being alone in the
> woods so much, that way, it cuts down on the contact that y'all have
> with the rest of the human race.
>     To those who offer good ideas with a brotherly tongue, I will miss
> your words of wisdom.  To those who have no regard for others or feel
> the need to continually put others down, maybe its time that you took =
a
> step back from your "hobby" and worked on getting a life instead.
> Good-bye list and God Bless you all...I'm outta here.
>=20
>=20
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Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 19:43:59 -0600
From: "Ethan Sudman" <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: I'm back :)

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Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 19:48:20 -0600
From: "Lanney Ratcliff" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: insults and bickering

Now, here's a question.  I went out to Ft. Osage a few weeks ago, and I'll
be working as a militia volunteer going forward.   Can anyone point me to
good sources to look at for the early 1800's here in Missouri?    Most of
the stuff I've got and read seems more geared either toward the Rockies, or
back toward the Middle Country. Local shops here'bouts are geared toward the
Civil War.   Seems like there's a gap, where nothing happened here along the
Missouri.  I know that can't be true, the War of 1812 got fought, and the
fort was built for a reason, although I think it was mostly for trade, and
little fighting took place hereabouts.

Anybody done any diggin on the 18-teens time period?


Todd
These folks seem to have done a lot of Missouri research.  Try them.
Lanney Ratcliff

http://www.rootsweb.com/~mopionee/index.html


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Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 20:52:47 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: I'm back :)

In a message dated 2/20/01 5:43:53 PM Pacific Standard Time,
[e-mail] writes:

<< I'm back. It got oftly boring off list :-). >>

As you have been reading today, I'm sure you see it hasn't been boring here
at all Ethan. LMAO.  Welcome back!  Barney

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Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 20:23:53 -0600
From: "Ethan Sudman" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: I'm back :)

Thanks Barney :-). It's good to be back.

- - Ethan

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> In a message dated 2/20/01 5:43:53 PM Pacific Standard Time,
> [e-mail] writes:
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> << I'm back. It got oftly boring off list :-). >>
>
> As you have been reading today, I'm sure you see it hasn't been boring
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> at all Ethan. LMAO.  Welcome back!  Barney
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Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 20:30:50 -0600
From: Victoria Pate <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: I'm back :)

> Hello everyone.
>
> I'm back. It got oftly boring off list :-).
>
> - Ethan Sudman

      Hey Ethan,
           Glad you decided to rejoin us!

       Victoria

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Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 21:41:34 -0500
From: "Tim Jewell" <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: Flintlock popularity

Hi everyone,

I've been closely reading Nat Wyeths journals and came acroos this little
tidbit that may be why flintlocks were/are so popular:

18 Aug. 1833 - We saw some large bands of elk but our hunters were more
conceited than good which I have generally found to be the case with the
hunters in this country they are not willing that a new hand should even
try, and are far from good shots themselves and commonly have miserable
flint guns which snap continually and afford an excuse for not killing.

Just an observation.

Ducking for cover in Baltimore,
              Tim


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Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 21:45:06 -0500
From: Marc Stewart <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: insults and bickering

"Obviously, judging by the "call to brawl",  I was wrong
about some of you.
     Name calling, threats and insults just show how immature some of us

really are..maybe its a good thing that we enjoy being alone in the...."




My apologies to the gentleman whose text and addy I quoted in my earlier
post..My comments were in no way targeted to him, but rather to us all
as a group.


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Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 19:46:43 -0700
From: Angela Gottfred <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Canadian fur trade museums

I should note that, in Eastern Canada, there is a museum which specializes
in the North West Company, the Nor'Wester and Loyalist Museum  in
Williamstown, Ontario (near Cornwall)
http://glen-net.ca/museums/norwesters.html
I haven't been there myself, but I understand they have David Thompson's
desk, and some other items owned by Nor'westers, because many of them
retired to that area.

I should also add, in defense of Canadian museums, that since the fur trade
is considered a cornerstone of Canadian history, most large Canadian
museums have major exhibits relating to the fur trade. The Provincial
Museum of Alberta displays a large number of items excavated from fur
posts, and also has a nice diorama of Samuel Hearne and his guide,
Mattonabbee. One of the self-proclaimed 'treasures' of the Glenbow Museum
is its collection of three Beaver Club medals, including William
McGillivary's (and another one in pristine condition). The Royal Ontario
Museum has lots of cool stuff from the underwater fur trade archeology
project that was done in the 1960's, although I have no idea what's on
display. And of course the Archives of Ontario houses David Thompson's
original journals.

My favorite fur-trade-only museum hardly deserves the term 'museum'; it is
actually the small interpretive center at Rocky Mountain House National
Historic Park, here in Alberta. The Alberta surveyors' professional
association generously arranged to purchase, and then donate, a set of
antique surveying instruments (sextant, astronomical tables, compass, etc.)
which is wonderfully representative of what David Thompson would have used.
They also have a large selection of items on display that were actually
excavated at Rocky Mountain House (NWC, 1799-1821) and Acton House (HBC,
1799-1821), and other good stuff.

Actually, a Canadian Museum of the Fur Trade would be a wonderful project.
If it were credible enough, then I'm sure it could get a lot of things from
other museums on permanent loan (like those extra Beaver Club medals),
because they're not usually on display; they're just gathering dust on a
shelf in a back room.

Fascinating question, Lee! It's really made me think.

Your humble & obedient servant,
Angela Gottfred



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Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 19:27:36 -0800
From: Randal J Bublitz <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: insults and bickering

Todd,   I would think it would be easy to portray a Militia Man at Ft
Osage.  With being so close to the East, cloth items, etc... would be
much more attainable.  I spent a night in the soldiers barracks of Ft
Osage, the next day we put our canoes in the water and pulled out at St
Charles 6 1/2 days later.....  what a trip, and all the better because
Grady Manus let us spend a night in the fort before we 'shoved off'.  He
gave us a private tour that night after closing.  I've only been there
once, but was mightily impressed.  I hope to be able to return someday.
Ya know William Clark suggested the placement of the fort as it commanded
a high point at a bend in the river, it's in his journals. Is Karalee
Tearney still doing business at Arrow Rock?  Might be a good place to
check out?  The phone number I have is [phone]from an old catalog.
Also see if you can find  a book called "The Sword of the Republic" The
US army on the frontier 1783-1846  by Francis Paul Prucha   University of
Nebraska Press ISBN# 0-8032-8713-5
Blaming guns for killing people is like blaming spoons for making Rosie
O'Donnel fat?

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Subject: MtMan-List: bickering...off topic

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