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hist_text-digest       Monday, February 5 2001       Volume 01 : Number 739



In this issue:

-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: fringe
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: What a trapper would have
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Tobacco used as insect repellant (1700-1843)
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: What a trapper would have
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: What a trapper would have
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Tobacco used as insect repellant (1700-1843)
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Please, please, PLEASE
-áááááá MtMan-List: Mountain Man List
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: what a trapper would have
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: fringe
-áááááá MtMan-List: What a Trapper Would Have Taken!
-áááááá MtMan-List: What a Trapper Would Have Taken!
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: List etiquette
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Please, please, PLEASE
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Please, please, PLEASE
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: What a trapper would have!
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Please, please, PLEASE
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: matches
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: What a trapper would have!
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: What a trapper would have!
-áááááá MtMan-List: Re: archive indexing
-áááááá MtMan-List: Re: archival indexing
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Research
-áááááá MtMan-List: list.......
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: list.......
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: list.......
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Tobacco used as insect repellant (1700-1843)(other stuff)
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: What a trapper would have!
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: list.......

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Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2001 22:25:13 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: fringe

In a message dated 2/3/01 3:12:33 PM, [e-mail] writes:

<< First - it dried out quicker that the
rest of the garment (being more exposed to air) and so drew the moisture out
of the rest of the material, >>

One other one Dick....you could cut it off and tie em together for a
cord/wang...

Magpie

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Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2001 21:26:24 -0600
From: John Kramer <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: What a trapper would have

Some modern knife companies make a slick-as-glass steel that does precisely
what you describe.

Old steels were in fact a specialty file with the "teeth" running the
length of the steel.  They cut metal, they do wear out.  With some looking
they can still be found.  Steels are why so many old knives are worn hollow
in the middle.

With a proper steel there is little to no need for a stone.  Things like
meat are cut easier with a steel sharpened knife than one honed like a razor.

The easiest test is to sharpen two identical blades one on a steel the
other honed and stropped.  Then cut some cork with both.  Different tools
benefit by sharpening specific to the task.

John...


At 07:12 PM 2/4/01 -0600, you wrote:
>A man with a serious use of a knife would need a steel, to keep it
>sharp.  The steel doesn't sharpen a knife, it straitens the rolled over
>edge.  Any skilled butcher wouldn't be without one.  Wonder  if they
>were listed.
>
>     Don

"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for
lunch.  Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote."

Benjamin Franklin 1759


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Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2001 22:35:07 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Tobacco used as insect repellant (1700-1843)

To use tobacco as a stain for wood, extract it with an ammonia solution.
Put the ammonia and a plug of tobacco in a glass jar and let it set, until no
more color can be extracted from the solution.

Dave Kanger

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Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2001 22:44:38 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: What a trapper would have

> Some modern knife companies make a slick-as-glass steel that does precisely
>  what you describe.

Chicago Cutlery offers one.  Our's came with the set of knives I bought for
the wife.

Dave Kanger

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Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2001 22:46:35 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: What a trapper would have

In a message dated 2/4/1 06:21:51 PM, [e-mail] writes:

<<A man with a serious use of a knife would need a steel, to keep it
sharp.  The steel doesn't sharpen a knife, it straitens the rolled over
edge.  Any skilled butcher wouldn't be without one.  Wonder  if they
were listed. >>

I have seen buffalo skinner outfits (Old Trail Town - Cody, Wyoming) that
were a leather roll, two knives (skinner - butcher) and a stone, but no
steel.  They used to have one similar in appearance - identical in content -
at the museum  at Colter Bay.
RJames
p.s. don't get me wrong - I like steels, too.

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Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2001 22:57:07 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Tobacco used as insect repellant (1700-1843)

In a message dated 2/4/1 06:59:25 PM, [e-mail] writes:

<<boil leaves to extract tar and nicotine.  then use liquid? paste?


"  I don't know the health implications of using it on yourself or

animals but I have been told not to use it on any plant you can ingest.


"I've also heard that South American natives use it in a very concentrated

form as a poison on their blow gun darts and arrows for hunting birds and

small mammals.>>

Tobacco boiled down to a concentrate - but not a paste - and then put on the
skin of rats in  testing resulted in cancer.  By this same logic - if you
would put it on the skin of insects perhaps they would get cancer too, and
leave you alone.  Or on your own skin ? ? ?  nah!

If you want a great bug repellant for plants but don't want to pay the price
for tobacco, just harvest what you can from old butt cans.  Boil it down,
strain it, add detergent, pepper, beer or other exotic ingredients and spray
it on plants - but not any part you intend to eat.
RJames


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Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2001 23:07:44 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Please, please, PLEASE

In a message dated 2/4/1 07:38:53 PM, [e-mail] writes:

<<Now that you know how to do it, let's please not see it anymore.  Bout time
you were as particular with your correspondence as you are with your
research.  (Kn)Now what I mean? >>

You got my vote.
RJames

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Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2001 22:04:29 -0600
From: "Pronghorn" <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: Mountain Man List

Test.....
Cheers:

Robert B.


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Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2001 23:12:45 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: what a trapper would have

In a message dated 2/4/1 08:14:04 PM, [e-mail] writes:

<<I have found flint and other hard rocks in the mountains that will work as
well. However I was thinking that each trapper would have a dozen each>>

Chert is great and scattered all over Wyoming.  One of the attraction of
firelock guns to Indians is that they could knap their own "flints" (couldn't
mountain men?) and were not handicapped by  a "no caps" situation.

RJames

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Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2001 23:20:42 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: fringe

In a message dated 2/4/1 08:27:35 PM, [e-mail] writes:

<<One other one Dick....you could cut it off and tie em together for a
cord/wang...

Magpie>>

Sounds like you've done it, too.  Handy when you are dressing out deer, tie
the end of the bowel closed with one, cut the orfice free from the hide,
et.al. and pull the unit up through the pelvis without getting "doo-doo" on
your meat.  Same with the other "unit" - tied up and freed you can pull it up
through the pelvis, tie off the top of the bladder so it doesn't leak, cut it
free and gently lift out the whole so your meat doesn't get tainted with
"squirts & drips".  If you are a better hunter than me (who isn't), after a
few seasons buckskin fringe can start to look a little "seedy" with all the
gaps in it, but - that just could be your claim to fame!
RJames

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Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2001 21:29:06 -0700
From: "Wynn & Gretchen Ormond" <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: What a Trapper Would Have Taken!

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>Has anyone totaled up the cost of this list?of what a trapper would had =
>taken with him,lets say not counting gun and horse. I think you all =
might >

be surprised at total cost. Traphand Rick Petzoldt=20

I prefaced my list by saying something about the cost Traphand. However, =
I thought that it would be more imformative to list everything then if =
the money was not available you would start paring down the list. This =
is logical isn't it?=20

WY


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Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2001 21:29:14 -0700
From: "Wynn & Gretchen Ormond" <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: What a Trapper Would Have Taken!

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Ole wrote on his list, . >500" x1/2" rope >=20

Ole I hope you do not mind me picking at your list, I mean it in the =
context of exploration not as an attack on your logic.

First I believe you meant 500 feet not inches, but I do not know if this =
was per man or for the group. To clarify, I use 33' to tie a mantied =
load. Could work with less but if you want to leave those furs tide for =
a long trip.....Anyway, that is two 33' foot pieces to bundle them and =
one more to tie them on the animal. Another 15' for a lead rope and 500' =
will do four loaded pack animals without breakage or new cordage =
production. It better be 500'/man

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Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2001 20:37:00 -0800
From: "Roger Lahti" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: List etiquette

Someone - perhaps you - sent me a similar message
> which stirred me to "fuss about a bit" until I could handle the
suggestion.
> I remain grateful to whomever it was took the time to "visit" me with a
> litttle constructive criticsm.  Thank you.

Richard,

Don't remember if it was me but if so then I was glad to help. I have had to
fight my way through figuring out how to use this thing as well as I do and
still have a lot to learn of it's capabilities but how ever you get it,
knowledge is power. More than happy to share my knowledge considering what
you all give in return.

Capt. Lahti'



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Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2001 20:51:22 -0800
From: "Roger Lahti" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Please, please, PLEASE

<Only if your mail program is set up that way.  I use Miro$oft's Lookout,
er, I mean Outlook, and that's not how it behaves.  I have to specifically
cut and paste what I want.>

Todd,

I use Outlook too. Netscape's email program worked pretty much the same when
I used it.

Hit the reply button at the top of the screen. A window will open with the
whole original message in it.
Click the courser where you want to start within the other persons post.
Start typing your response. Or you can "drag" and "cut" the top part of the
previous message or any part you don't need.

Drag (left click and hold) the courser down across what you want to delete.
Put the courser over that highlighted portion and right click. Choose "cut"
out of the choices that the new little window will offer and that
highlighted portion of the previous message will go away.
It will be in memory if you want to "paste" it somewhere else.
Drop (do a couple "enter"s) down and sign your name.

The main thing is to experiment with mail you don't care if you loose. <G>
Not likely but it can happen. It's usually just put down to the bottom of
the screen or in your draft file if you mess up but sometimes it will go
away if you hit the right button when you shouldn't.

When your through proofing your work, just left click and drag so you
highlight the whole thing. Punch the "spelling" button at the top and it
will check the spelling through what you highlighted and suggest correctly
spelled words for you to choose when it doesn't recognize a word as being
correctly spelled.

When your happy with it hit Send and we'll all see what you have to offer.

If someone has a particular question feel free. We can take it off list.

Capt. Lahti'










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Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2001 20:55:57 -0800
From: "Roger Lahti" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Please, please, PLEASE

> Now that you know how to do it, let's please not see it anymore.  Bout
time
> you were as particular with your correspondence as you are with your
> research.  Now what I mean?

Dave,

I should have read down on the line of new posts. Would have saved me the
doing if I had seen that you beat me to it.

Capt. Lahti'


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Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 00:33:30 -0800
From: "Possum Hunter" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: What a trapper would have!

Todd Glover wrote:
> Correct me if I'm wrong Possum, but I don't suppose you go "loafing" for a
year.

True, But I have gone "WoodsLoafing" for a couple of months with little more
then I mentioned. I figure if I can live 2 months with that small of an
outfit, I can live 12 months the same way :-)
>
> These guys weren't loafing, they were making a living far for the comforts
of home

Good point! If I was making a living instead of loafing in the woods,
perhaps I would have more money! LOL! Now that I think of it, NAH, loafing
is more FUN!
>
>when they got to rendezvous and saw the variety of goods available, I gotta
believe the temptation to buy a lot of the small stuff for the coming year
was great.

Like I said, I am just too lazy to tote all of that stuff through the back
country, not to mention too CHEAP to buy it in the first place! (I am a
known tight-wad) Look at the Indians. They lived their whole lives in the
back country and didn't have anywhere close to that much stuff!

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Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 00:48:38 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Please, please, PLEASE

> I should have read down on the line of new posts. Would have saved me the
>  doing if I had seen that you beat me to it.

Yup, that's another tip too.  Read all your mail first and save the ones you
want to reply to.  Then once you've read em all, decide it you still want to
do that.  Saves on the fingers.

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Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 06:11:42 -0700
From: Mike Moore <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: matches

Guys,
    I have a replica of a book of matches that is currently sold by Bent,
St. Vrain and Company. But evidently, the attachment I made of it, won't
go through the system. This company sells exact replicas of items sold
at Bent's fort. If any one is interested, let me know and I'll get the scan
to you.
I enlarged the picture to give detail on the writtng and drawing on the
front.
                                        mike.

[e-mail] wrote:

> The HIstory Channel!  Now there's good documentation. <grin>
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Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 07:35:47 -0700
From: "Ole B. Jensen" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: What a trapper would have!

Possum,
The Indians would trade for almost anything that made life easier, if not
the trading post and fort systems would not have worked. Some of the things
they traded for would not make sence to us as we tend to romantazise there
hard lives. Trappers however were the working class, they took the tools of
there trade and as many comforts that they could carry, to them it's not a
hobby it is there life.
YMOS
OLe # 718
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>To: <[e-mail]>
>Subject: Re: MtMan-List: What a trapper would have!
>Date: Mon, Feb 5, 2001, 1:33 AM
>

>Todd Glover wrote:
>> Correct me if I'm wrong Possum, but I don't suppose you go "loafing" for a
>year.
>
>True, But I have gone "WoodsLoafing" for a couple of months with little more
>then I mentioned. I figure if I can live 2 months with that small of an
>outfit, I can live 12 months the same way :-)
>>
>> These guys weren't loafing, they were making a living far for the comforts
>of home
>
>Good point! If I was making a living instead of loafing in the woods,
>perhaps I would have more money! LOL! Now that I think of it, NAH, loafing
>is more FUN!
>>
>>when they got to rendezvous and saw the variety of goods available, I gotta
>believe the temptation to buy a lot of the small stuff for the coming year
>was great.
>
>Like I said, I am just too lazy to tote all of that stuff through the back
>country, not to mention too CHEAP to buy it in the first place! (I am a
>known tight-wad) Look at the Indians. They lived their whole lives in the
>back country and didn't have anywhere close to that much stuff!
>
>Possum
>
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Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 09:43:08 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: What a trapper would have!

In a message dated 2/5/2001 9:39:59 AM Eastern Standard Time,
[e-mail] writes:

<< >>when they got to rendezvous and saw the variety of goods available, I
gotta
 >believe the temptation to buy a lot of the small stuff for the coming year
 >was great.
  >>

You can bet they did and you'll probably never see any mention of (much of)
it in "documentation".

Greg

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Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 07:01:15 -0800
From: "Jay Geisinger" <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: Re: archive indexing

John,

Again, thank you for your time so far.  I do understand your reservations in
sharing the information you have gleaned from years of research.  However, I
must share several points of concern.  First, I think we all recognize that
the great advances in historical research over the last decade are closely
linked to the speed at which information can be shared and sourced through
the internet. Second, my original theory posed several questions as to
location of ramrod treatment as well as recipe, and even the appropriateness
of treating them at all.  You have used over 6 hours of my time directing me
to the precious, but unindexed, archives searching for posts that were
generally mis-labeled only to find a few of the oils that would be period
correct if I accept you word as gospel.  You have not and apparently are not
willing to share your sources so that others may grow in the knowledge that
they are correct.  May I suggest to you that a simple answer to my previous
post would have been, " PoorBoy, the following are period correct oils that
may have been used.... or even the recipe Ole posted is period correct.  And
this can be documented by reading ...( a couple of possible sources)  And
finally admitting that you have no knowledge of the question pertaining to
the applicability of treating ramrods or not and where they might have been
done...Or do you have some info on this last issue because you have yet to
address it in any of your posts to me or the list."  I have been researching
BP and the RMFT for over 20 years and I enjoy sharing the knowledge I have
learned.  I continue to learn every day, especially since I joined the two
lists of which I am a member (for the last two years).  May I suggest that
if you are on the lists to Glenn knowledge and share only your opinions
without documentation then you are of little help to most of us who are
trying to access valid documented information.
No One is out to steel your knowledge from you...after you share it you
still have it, and I am willing to bet that you got your knowledge from
reading what many others took the time to write down and share...HMMM.
Finally, since I joined the lists I have seen many new people to BP and to
PC's in general sent to the archival stores by people like yourself, and if
that is all the help you can give to someone, then keep your bandwidth to
yourself and let people who are actually willing to help use the list space,
you are clogging the archives with your arrogance.

PoorBoy

Jay,

We've been looking for someone to do the indexing you suggest.  Are you
volunteering?  To date the best we have are accessed through:

http://www.xmission.com/~drudy/mtman/maillist.html

For what was used in the Rocky Mountains refer back to my first post on
this recent subject line.  They used what they had.  If you're looking for
documentation of the materials suggested to the period it is abundant.  I
gave you the one on stock treatment.  Whatever else just takes
looking.  There is a lot more written over the past several years.

It's easier to find in the archive than in original source
documentation.  The documentation is where you find it.  I do not provide
bibliographies or footnotes.  Too many want the folks on this list to do
all their research so they can write books and articles with other folks
hard work done for them.

John...


At 07:17 PM 2/4/01 -0800, you wrote:
>John,
>
>Thanks for the suggested search methods.  However, I was unable to locate
>the yearly indexes you mentioned, could you direct me to them please.  I
was
>able to pull up the archives and have them sorted by author and achieve the
>same effect.  And I did find your posts on stock treatments, which do
>address some period correct oils and substitutes.  These posts do not
>address documentation of the oils, the use of the same on ramrods or tool
>handles, nor the proposed theory of treatment at the providers location or
>the retail site i.e.: Rocky Mountains.  I do not doubt your knowledge, I
>would just like to know where to look for the documentation.  Back to the
>retrieval issue....is there an index for the archives since 1998.  When I
>tried to access them all I get is a large collection of separate archive
>documents with no way of telling what is covered in each...
>
>YMOS
>PoorBoy

John T. Kramer, maker of:

Kramer's Best Antique Improver
 >>>It makes wood wonderful<<<
>>>As good as old!<<<

<http://www.kramerize.com/>

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Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 07:02:31 -0800
From: "Jay Geisinger" <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: Re: archival indexing

Sorry List, John,

That last post was supposed to go to John directly.
VERY HUMBLY
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Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2001 21:17:44 -0500
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Research

r james
wc also said" I'd reather be anywhere than in philidelphia"

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Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 09:45:48 -0600
From: Virden High School <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: list.......

Can anyone help me , I would like to get off this list.It is a great way to get
info, but I get very tired of it. Some of you need to go into a chat
room.............

tom roberts wrote:

> Angela,
>
> Interesting about the tapered sleeves.  In your
> studies did you find that it was typical or
> even likely to have trimmed cuffs?  By trimmed
> I mean anywhere from just doubled over to having
> contrasting material added.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Tom
>
> Angela Gottfred wrote:
> >
> > My research area is the Canadian fur trade, 1774-1821. A couple years back,
> > I was pulling all the capote info together for my period for an article.
> > One of the things I was surprised to discover was a complete absence of
> > fringe on capots. The other two key findings were that capots were all
> > slightly shorter than knee-length, and that the sleeves were tailored to
> > fit closely at the wrist, rather than being a simple tube that's just as
> > wide at the wrist as at the shoulder. So, once we finished the article, we
> > modified my husband's capot to match up with our research.
> >
> > We also didn't find a single reference to *women* wearing capots. Zero,
> > zip, nada, rien! But an article in one of the Books of Buckskinning had
> > already alerted me to that possibility, so I didn't have to change anything.
> >
> > Your humble & obedient servant,
> > Angela Gottfred
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Subject: Re: MtMan-List: list.......

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Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 11:43:03 EST
From: [e-mail]
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> Can anyone help me , I would like to get off this list.It is a great way to
> get info, but I get very tired of it

You can't be reading it too close because the information you seek is at the
bottom of every mail you receive from this list.  I suppose the obvious is
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Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 11:58:45 -0500
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Tobacco used as insect repellant (1700-1843)(other stuff)

dick
best natural  bug repelant i have found is made out of penneroyal and it
also keeps the ticks off similar but better than flower of sulfer wouldnt
waste good backey---

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Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 11:20:46 -0500
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: What a trapper would have!

its not a lewis and clark era can it is made in about 1850 out of lead
not many have survived because most were melted for bullets---the one i
have has a paper label on it and from that info and going to local
records i dated the can---I have about 40 or 50 old cans and this one is
to me the treasure of the bunch---got it from dan anderson in about 1975
- ---when i get a chance to dig it out i will give you the company name and
other info on the can---as i say it weighs about 3 or 4 lbs and holds
just a shade under a lb of powder---it is not round but elyptical with a
very thick bottom and top and has a screw on cap that is also lead----I
also have a lead flask that i have had for years---not many of those have
survived either---since they were melted for bullets---the flask holds
about 1/2 lb of powder and has a spicket ---no cutoff device---it is
dated in the 1870's from what i am told and from checking in several of
the flask books---believe raulings has a good reference book that covers
the lead containers and the flasks---and gives a pretty complete dateing
of all types of flasks except the north african ones---my can is similar
to one in that book also---he covers the wooden kegs and the other types
of powder containers---the book is quite expensive but relly has a lot of
info on old cans and powder mFgs in the 1800 and the early 1900---has a
map of all the old powder mills in it---

YMOSANT
       =+=
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Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2001 12:16:04 -0600
From: Virden High School <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: list.......

thank you very much...............

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