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hist_text-digest       Sunday, February 4 2001       Volume 01 : Number 738



In this issue:

-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Please, please, PLEASE
-áááááá MtMan-List: Lead canisters
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Soaking Hickory Ramrods to improve flexibility?
-áááááá MtMan-List: Tobacco used as insect repellant (1700-1843)
-áááááá MtMan-List: List etiquette
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Research
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Research
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Lead canisters
-áááááá MtMan-List: What a trapper would have
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Tobacco used as insect repellant (1700-1843)
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: What a trapper would have!
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: What a trapper would have!
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: What a trapper would have!
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: What a trapper would have!
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Tobacco used as insect repellant (1700-1843)
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: List etiquette
-áááááá RE: MtMan-List: Please, please, PLEASE
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Please, please, PLEASE
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: What a trapper would have!
-áááááá MtMan-List: Powder quantity
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Tobacco used as insect repellant (1700-1843)
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: What a trapper would have!
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: what a trapper would have
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List:Continue the trip?

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Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2001 19:17:57 -0800
From: "Frank V. Rago" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Please, please, PLEASE

Dick,

Glad you liked the article.  We had a very fun day, taught two newbies how
to throw knives, hawks and shoot bows.  One gent even ended up getting a
very good deal on a recurve.

I did catch the last 15 minutes of the A&E special.  Thoroughly enjoyed it.
Some of those guys could really throw.  I did not know which rendezvous it
was though.

You do not need to make copies of the knapping info. as I think I have
memorized the issues.

We are having a knap in early April in this area and I plan on picking up a
bunch of rock.  Seems to go real fast.

Waldorf seems to have a few good books on knapping.  If I was to purchase a
book it would be one of his.  I am lucky as I was taught by a neighbor.

You can make the pressure flakers and the copper billets.  The pressure
flakers are made from a piece of hardwood with a copper ground wire stuck in
the end.  Works great.

Talk to you later,

Frank



> Hey!  That's a great article, Frank (I had to erase Mike - that was my
> uncle's name).  There was a big archive to pick from and none had your
name
> on it, but with logic I got it right the first time.   That was good
> coverage, though.  They have you right in the middle of all the good
stuff -
> as it should be.
>
> Knife & Hawk seems to be on the upswing - less politically  dangerous
than - "
> guns".  Did you happen to see the hour-long A&E production for
"Competition"
> featuring the knife and axe at the Fort Bridger Rendezvous last year?
They
> showed a lot of Bridger Rendezvou (the one I started - in fact I have
about 2
> frames in the film) but the core of the things was a story centered around
> Moki Hipol and his quest for "braggin'rights" over a three day aggregate
> throw.
>
> And ya know whut?  I got this really neat package in the mail yesterday -
all
> these little tabloids about knapping.   That was certainly thoughtful of
you.
>  I thought I would read through them all and by association walk away from
> the papers an expert.   Lots of nice articles though and the
advertisements
> are a real boon.       I notice these are a periodical.  If you wish I can
> copy the parts I need (need?) and return them to you.  Was there any of
thes
> you would recommend/ (A guy could go broke wanting ALL that's advertized
> there.
>
> Bean time.  Gotta go.  More later
> Dick
>
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Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2001 17:22:25 -0700
From: "Buck Conner" <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: Lead canisters

Jay Geisinger wrote:

> Where did you find dimensions for these lead containers?
> My recollection is that there is not a reference available to state the sizes
> of the original containers, the shape (round, square, etc.) or the volume of
> powder held;  I may be wrong on this one though.
> YMOS
> PoorBoy

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PoorBoy,

We talked to Hanson and he felt the information floating around was not real
good at the time, so we found some pure lead (according to my hardness tester)
in 3 foot square sheets, 3/16 " thick. Made cylinders, sweat the seams together
and sweated in a bottom, we started with a pound of power, but changed to 2 -
2-1/2 and 3 pounds in getting a feel for the size of the container (no
documentation). We made several sizes using figures much like John supplied,
emptied the container, sweat in a top sheet of lead with a hole for a cork
sealed with beeswax. We tested the containers loaded with powder to see if they
would leak by throwing them in the horse tank for a few hours, didn't leak.

Will go out to the shed and measurer one for size, will have to empty it out to
tell you how much powder it holds.

Oh, a side note, with a little cannon fuse, they make one hell of a bomb when
rolled down a hill into a stream or pond. Really good wake the camp up, Crazy
Bear rolled one of my cylinders into the pond at LaVeta Nationals at about day
break, boy that got the camp up when that much powder went off. Those where the
wild days with John Baird was in charge and Step and Crazy Bear where his "Cat
Soldiers".  Scary !!!

Buck.

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Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2001 19:43:00 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Soaking Hickory Ramrods to improve flexibility?

In a message dated 2/4/1 10:22:52 AM, [e-mail] writes:

<<What do some of the old carpentry

sources say for treating handles.  >>

This is not "old carpentry".  It is "old Shoshone".  Hardwood is virutally
non-existant in the Rockies compared to the eastern forests.  Ya gotta do
with what you have, so for hafting, these Indians used such things as red
birch, chokecherry, and gambrel oak.   They were worked dry or green but when
done they were heated by a fire repeatedly and daubed with grease (any kind.
You like bear?  we'll say "bear") In this process any moisture was driven out
and the space replaced by grease before there was spliting and checking of
significant amounts.   The Indian who told me about it (family home between
Pocatello and American Falls, Idaho) said his grandma made axe handles that
way.  "And they lasted?" "For years".  "The last one was really old but
someone left it in the driveway and it got run over."  (Driveway definition:
two tracks of bare earth leading through the sage and rabbit brush up to the
house.)
RJames

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Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2001 19:43:24 -0500 (EST)
From: [e-mail] (Jon Marinetti)
Subject: MtMan-List: Tobacco used as insect repellant (1700-1843)

boil leaves to extract tar and nicotine.  then use liquid? paste? as a
rub-on for man and horse?  or as a stain for stocks, dye for clothing?
any other non health hazard uses?

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Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2001 16:50:18 -0800
From: "Roger Lahti" <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: List etiquette

> I can see both sides of that one...
>
> - Ethan Sudman

Ethan,

 Quoting the whole or the majority of anyone's post in one's answer is not
necessary.

 And admittedly we all make this mistake at one time or another along with
failing to change the subject line.

Suffice it to be said that if one knows how to "cut and paste" with their pc
then they should pick out a couple lines of the other person's post to
"quote" so we know what they are referring to and then add their thoughts.
Since we have all read the other persons post once already and don't need to
read it again, we are asking nice that it not be totally included. If
someone does not know this technique on their pc I'm sure any number of us
would be willing to help someone learn it.

We don't have a moderator on this list. We are left to "police" ourselves.
We thus must all cooperate.

 Thanks.

Capt. Lahti'












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Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2001 19:51:19 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Research

In a message dated 2/4/1 04:26:18 PM, [e-mail] writes:

<<vicinity of Montecello>>

I used to live there, you know.  Too "youthful"  (young and dumb) to realize
I was living in an historic paradise 43 years ago.
Dick

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Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2001 19:53:23 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Research

In a message dated 2/4/1 05:05:14 PM, [e-mail] writes:

<<W.C.Fields said "he spent a week one night in Philadelphia", poor booze and
poorer women.>>

 . . . 'twasn't quite what I had in mind for historic research.  Thanx,
though.
RJames

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Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2001 20:11:46 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Lead canisters

In a message dated 2/4/1 05:19:55 PM, [e-mail] writes:

<<Oh, a side note, with a little cannon fuse, they make one hell of a bomb
when
rolled down a hill into a stream or pond.>>

Hey, Buck - - - sounds like your are quite the fisherman!
RJ

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Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2001 19:12:58 -0600
From: don shero <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: What a trapper would have

A man with a serious use of a knife would need a steel, to keep it
sharp.  The steel doesn't sharpen a knife, it straitens the rolled over
edge.  Any skilled butcher wouldn't be without one.  Wonder  if they
were listed.

    Don

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Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2001 20:59:06 -0500
From: "Tim Jewell" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Tobacco used as insect repellant (1700-1843)

- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Jon Marinetti" <[e-mail]>
Sent: Sunday, February 04, 2001 7:43 PM
Subject: MtMan-List: Tobacco used as insect repellant (1700-1843)


> boil leaves to extract tar and nicotine.  then use liquid? paste? as a
> rub-on for man and horse?  or as a stain for stocks, dye for clothing?
> any other non health hazard uses?


Jon,

Tobacco makes a decent dye on cloth, it comes out a dark tan color.  Boil
1lb. cured leaves ( add 1oz. cream of tartar to water), for 1/2 hour.
Simmer material for a good 1/2 hour to dye, use alum as mordant.

I've used it as an insecticide but not as a repellent.  Boil leaves for 1/2
hour and add 1 tsp. dish detergent (to help it stick to plants) and 1 tblsp.
ground black pepper.  Spray this dirctly on plant or around the base of the
plant.  I don't know the health implications of using it on yourself or
animals but I have been told not to use it on any plant you can ingest.

I've also heard that South American natives use it in a very concentrated
form as a poison on their blow gun darts and arrows for hunting birds and
small mammals.

I'll have to see what I can find about using tobacco as a repellent.  I'll
let you know if I come up with anything.

I remain your most humble servant,
                  Tim Jewell
             [e-mail]
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Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2001 17:47:22 -0500
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: What a trapper would have!

poor boy
I have a original powder can that holds just less than a lb of
powder---it is enough lead to fire a 50 cal and if you use the old powder
to lead ratio it will even come close for a 54 or even a 40---look in the
muzzle loading caplock rifle by ned roberts believe there is s reference
of powder to lead rathio---a 50 cal is about 36 to 37 bullets to the lb
can should  weigh about 4to 4 1/4 lb including powder--- for one lb of
powder---
rough guess---
    "HAWK"
Michael Pierce        "Home of ".Old Grizz" Product line "  trademark (C)
854 Glenfield Dr.
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Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2001 17:23:19 -0500
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: What a trapper would have!

gosting wolf---dont understand your logic---one lb of powder gets wet 50
lb of powder gets wet---powder will dry out if you give it a chance---and
it will work same as before it was wet---just break up the lumps---

hawk

On Sun, 4 Feb 2001 14:21:03 EST [e-mail] writes:
>  [e-mail] writes:
>
> << to the like of me cant understand why you want so much
>  powder and not enough lead to shoot with it its just simple logic
> or
>  something in the back of my mind---that i must be missing >>
>
> Powder gets wet it won't work. Lead gets wet still works.
>
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Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2001 17:32:34 -0500
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: What a trapper would have!

buck
i concure with your thoughts---I have gotten powder wet and poured it out
of the horn into a skillet or pan then when dried put it back---didnt
notice any differenve in the way it shot---still feel if you need powder
then have at least 95 % lead to shot with it---thats just my
opinion---why 3 or 4 times as much powder as needed---look at the L & C
requirements---they had powder for about 80 to 85% of the lead---

check my numbers---inquiring minds want to know---some things dont pass
the so what or logic test?????


    "HAWK"
Michael Pierce        "Home of ".Old Grizz" Product line "  trademark (C)
854 Glenfield Dr.
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Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2001 16:48:03 -0500
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: What a trapper would have!

linda ---
the cloth they are speaking of is cheesecloth if i am not mistaken---but
was used as a misquito net or for a fly screen---just my opinion of
course---

hawk

On Sun, 04 Feb 2001 09:13:46 -0800 Linda Holley <[e-mail]>
writes:
> What was mosquito netting made of from that time period.  Seeing the
> list and being
> from South, that really caught my eye.  Have been told by a Dog
> Soldier once, that
> netting was not "period".   That had never crossed my mind before.
>
> Linda Holley
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Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2001 18:11:09 -0800
From: Randal J Bublitz <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Tobacco used as insect repellant (1700-1843)

I don't know the dosage, etc...but boiling cigerettes can produce a
concentrated dose that can kill. according to G. Gordon Liddy.......
hardtack

Blaming guns for killing people is like blaming spoons for making Rosie
O'Donnel fat?

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Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2001 21:08:59 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: List etiquette

In a message dated 2/4/1 05:47:59 PM, [e-mail] writes:

<<Suffice it to be said that if one knows how to "cut and paste" with their pc
then they should pick out a couple lines of the other person's post to
"quote" .   If someone does not know this technique on their pc I'm sure any
number of us
would be willing to help someone learn it.
>>

It wasn't many weeks ago I came on line - green as grass - and stumbling
through the process.   Someone - perhaps you - sent me a similar message
which stirred me to "fuss about a bit" until I could handle the suggestion.
I remain grateful to whomever it was took the time to "visit" me with a
litttle constructive criticsm.  Thank you.
Richard James

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Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2001 20:20:00 -0600
From: Todd <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: MtMan-List: Please, please, PLEASE

<SNIP>
 It seems you/they don't know you can=20
> select specific=20
> text by highlighting it, and then hit reply and only that portion=20
> will come=20
> through.  <SNIP>

Only if your mail program is set up that way.  I use Miro$oft's Lookout, =
er, I mean Outlook, and that's not how it behaves.  I have to =
specifically cut and paste what I want.


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Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2001 21:37:44 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Please, please, PLEASE

> Only if your mail program is set up that way.  I use Miro$oft's Lookout,
er,
> I mean Outlook, and that's not how it behaves.  I have to specifically cut
> and paste what I want.

To quote using AOL, hold the left mouse button down and pass it over the text
you want to quote.  This will highlight it.  Then hit the reply button and
the highlighted text will be transferred to the reply as quoted >> text.

If you use Microsoft, hit the reply button.  It will by default quote the
entire message.  This is what 99% of you do.  Hold down your left mouse
button and pass it over everything you DON'T want to quote.  This will
highlight that text.  Hit the backspace key and all highlighted text will be
erased.  Leave only the few lines which you DO want to quote.

As a third option, you always have an "edit" button in the taskbar at the
top.  You can highlight text, copy it............then paste it into your
email and manually add the >>'s.

As a fourth option, you can highlight text and then hit your right mouse
button and and edit menu will pop up from which you can cut and paste.

Now that you know how to do it, let's please not see it anymore.  Bout time
you were as particular with your correspondence as you are with your
research.  Now what I mean? One of the above methods has got to work for you.
 While you are at it, find the "options" button in the task bar and set up
your email program to text/plain and us/ascii font.  Turn everything else off
and that will get rid of the double postings of the same message on one email.

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Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2001 19:05:44 -0800
From: "Jay Geisinger" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: What a trapper would have!

>I have a original powder can <

Hawk,
I am very interested in more info about this "powder can".  "Original" to
what time period?  Documented how?  Sorry if I am a little skeptical, but I
have never heard of an existing example of what went with the L&C boys.
YMOS
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Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2001 20:06:12 -0600
From: "Jody & Scott" <[e-mail]>
Subject: MtMan-List: Powder quantity

Regarding the quantity of lead and powder taken-  I seem to recall
(dangerous I know) that when the L&C exped. returned to the 'States,' that
they had enough powder and lead remaining to make the trip again.

Sound logic for both hunters and the military: that whatever other supplies
you may run out of, you can at least get game and protect yourself with
powder and lead.

Like everyone else, just MHO...
Scott C
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Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2001 19:02:28 -0800 (PST)
From: George Noe <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Tobacco used as insect repellant (1700-1843)

>
> > boil leaves to extract tar and nicotine.  then use
> liquid? paste? as a
> > rub-on for man and horse?  or as a stain for
>

   The "Black Leaf - 40" you used to be able to buy,
was a Nicotine extract.

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Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2001 19:21:34 -0800
From: "Jay Geisinger" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: What a trapper would have!

>don't have time to look up....the L&C lead powder canisters were threaded,
which would
make them cylindrical.  They took a dunking in the river, and the powder
remained dry, much to the relief of the capt'ns.....    hardtack<

This is great info....When you have time please provide me with the
documentation for the threaded tops and the river dunking.  I know it has
been awhile since I spent time reading the journals, and there are so many
different versions, it would be great to have some idea where to start this
adventure.
YMOS
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Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2001 20:13:37 -0700
From: "Ole B. Jensen" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: what a trapper would have

Frank,
I have found flint and other hard rocks in the mountains that will work as
well. However I was thinking that each trapper would have a dozen each, but
I forgot to write all of my thought's down.
YMOS
Ole # 718
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>From: "Frank Fusco" <[e-mail]>
>To: "Mtn. Man List" <[e-mail]>
>Subject: MtMan-List: what a trapper would have
>Date: Sun, Feb 4, 2001, 12:45 PM
>

>    Ole put together a good list. However, I would increase the number of
>flints considerably, mebbe to five dozen to cover not only wear but losses.
>Also the knives would make good trade goods and are subject to loss and
>breakage, mebbe a dozen each type. None of this would add much weight.
>Several fire steels as insurance against loss.
>    Seems to me that gun fixins, knives and fire start stuff would be the
>bare essentials to survival and carrying a few pounds extra would make
>sense.
>    As Hawk would say, jest my humble opinion a course.
>Frank G. Fusco
>Mountain Home, Arkansas
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Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2001 20:23:39 -0700
From: "Ole B. Jensen" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List:Continue the trip?

Buck,
Suppose these four trappers traveled south east from Fort Hall to the North
slope of the Uintas where they built a cabin before the end of October, they
could then have built a crude ice house and put in stores of game for the
winter. Each trapper would have picked a diferent drainage and trapped that
drainage through the winter until the end of March. At the begining of April
they could have broke up camp and taking what provisions they had left and
some plews gone to Fort Laramie to trade for more supplies and then headed
back west trapping the North side of the Uinta range. In late June they
would have headed for Rendezvous for the get together and to sell there
plews for as high a price as they could get.
    Just some ideas and thoughts.
YMOS
Ole # 718
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>From: "Buck Conner" <[e-mail]>
>To: [e-mail]
>Subject: Re: MtMan-List: What a trapper would have!
>Date: Sat, Feb 3, 2001, 8:42 PM
>

>"Ole B. Jensen" wrote:
>
>> Allen,
>> I have pondered youre question for a few days, I have looked at the lists
>> you have received.
>> Senario= 4 men (without squaws) leaving fort Hall in 1830 around August 20.
>> The following is my list.
>> 2 pair footwear ea
>> 3 t0 4 horses or mules per man
>> 1 riding saddle
>> 3 pack saddles
>> 6 to 8 traps
>> 1- long arm ea
>> 1 or 2 pistols ea
>> 50 lbs powder for 4 men
>> 15 lbs bar lead (4 men)
>> bullet molds as needed per person
>> 1- bullet laddle
>> 500" x1/2" rope
>> 5 lbs soap
>> 1 dozen gun flints
>> 1 skining knife
>> 1 scalping knife
>> 4 wool blankets per person
>> 4 yards patch material
>> 4 lbs tobaco
>> Chewing tobaco for horse wounds
>> 1- fire steel per person
>> 2 sets tin pots/copper/cauldron
>> 2-frying pans
>> 1-felling axe
>> 1-hand axe
>> 500'0" linnen thread
>> 12 sewing needles
>> 1 doz awls
>> 1-cup each tin or copper
>> 3-shirts each
>> 2-pair trousers or knee breaches ea
>> 4lbs coffee
>> 4lbs suggar
>> 10lbs salt
>> 1/2 lb pepper
>> 10 lbs floure
>> 1 journal per man for record keeping and notes
>> 6- lead pencils
>> 20 hanks of beeds for trade
>> vermilion for trade
>> 4 12'x12' pcs of canvas
>> 2-wedge tents
>> 1-hat ea
>> 1-Bible
>> 1-compass
>> toiletries as group wanted
>> 1-capote ea, or some kind of coat
>> 1-west ea (optional)
>> socks (optional)
>> fishing gear (optional)
>> reading glasses as nessecarry
>> smoking pipe's 1 ea or moore
>>
>> There are probably things I have forgoten, all the horses were there to hall
>> plews out after the season was over.
>> YMOS
>> Ole #718
>>
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>
>Hey Ole,
>
>Did you ever look at what the L&C group carried according to Jefferson's letter
>to Lewis 1803.
>  ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>Inside the Corps has three sections: Circa 1803, To Equip an Expedition and the
>Corps.
>
>To Equip an Expedition provides a partial list of the supplies Lewis and Clark
>brought on the expedition.
>
>Once he was named by President Thomas Jefferson to head the Corps of Discovery,
>Meriwether Lewis began preparations for the long trip ahead. Much of that
>preparation involved education; in the months prior to his departure, Lewis
>would learn astronomy, botany, navigation, medicine and biology, among other
>scientific disciplines.
>
>In addition, Lewis spent his time accumulating all the supplies that the
>expedition was going to need. He wrote list after list of provisions, which
>included guns, ammunition, medical supplies and scientific instruments.
>While still on the East Coast, Lewis accumulated almost two tons of goods using
>the $2,500 Congress had allocated for the expedition.
>
>The following list is only a sampling of the supplies taken west by the Corps of
>Discovery, but it should give a sense of what an undertaking the expedition was.
>
>Mathematical Instruments:
>surveyor's compass
>hand compass
>quadrants
>telescope
>thermometers
>2 sextants
>set of plotting instruments
>chronometer (needed to calculate longitude)
>
>Camp Supplies:
>150 yards of cloth to be oiled and sewn into tents and sheets
>pliers
>chisels
>30 steels for striking to make fire
>handsaws
>hatchets
>whetstones
>iron corn mill
>two dozen tablespoons
>mosquito curtains
>10 1/2 pounds of fishing hooks and fishing lines
>12 pounds of soap
>193 pounds of "portable soup" (a thick paste concocted by boiling down beef,
>eggs and vegetables)
>three bushels of salt
>writing paper, ink and crayons
>
>Presents for Indians:
>12 dozen pocket mirrors
>4,600 sewing needles
>144 small scissors
>10 pounds of sewing thread
>silk ribbons
>ivory combs
>handkerchiefs
>yards of bright-colored cloth
>130 rolls of tobacco
>tomahawks that doubled as pipes
>288 knives
>8 brass kettles
>vermilion face paint
>33 pounds of tiny beads of assorted colors
>
>Clothing:
>45 flannel shirts
>coats
>frocks
>shoes
>woolen pants
>blankets
>knapsacks
>stockings
>
>Arms and Ammunition:
>15 prototype Model 1803 muzzle-loading .54 caliber rifles
>knives
>500 rifle flints
>420 pounds of sheet lead for bullets
>176 pounds of gunpowder packed in 52 lead canisters
>1 long-barreled rifle that fired its bullet with compressed
>air, rather than by flint, spark and powder
>
>Medicine and Medical Supplies:
>50 dozen Dr. Rush's patented "Rush's pills"
>lancets
>forceps
>syringes
>tourniquets
>1,300 doses of physic
>1,100 hundred doses of emetic
>3,500 doses of diaphoretic (sweat inducer) other drugs for blistering,
>salivation and increased kidney output
>
>Traveling Library:
>Barton's Elements of Botany
>Antoine Simon Le Page du Pratz's History of Louisiana
>Richard Kirwan's Elements of Mineralogy
>A Practical Introduction to Spherics and Nautical Astronomy
>The Nautical Almanac and Astronomical Ephemeris a four-volume dictionary a
>two-volume edition of Linnaeus (the founder of the Latin classification of
>plants) tables for finding longitude and latitude map of the Great Bend of the
>Missouri River
>
>Circa 1803 puts the expedition into a historical and political context,
>investigating popular misconceptions of the West, as well as Jefferson's
>motivations for exploring it.
>  ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>Wonder how much of this got lost or stolen ? A trapper a few years later would
>have cached 2/3 of it outside St. Louis.
>
>Buck.
>
>
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