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hist_text-digest       Sunday, February 4 2001       Volume 01 : Number 736



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-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: What a trapper would have!
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Soaking Hickory Ramrods to improve flexibility?
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: What a trapper would have!
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Research
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-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Soaking Hickory Ramrods to improve flexibility?
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: What a trapper would have!
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: degreasing coon skins
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: What a trapper would have!
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Research
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: What a trapper would have!
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: What a trapper would have!
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Capot fringe (was: Newby pitfalls)
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: What a trapper would have!
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Research
-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: Research
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-áááááá Re: MtMan-List: What a trapper would have!
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Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2001 21:46:28 -0700
From: Todd Glover <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: What a trapper would have!

Correct me if I'm wrong Possum, but I don't suppose you go "loafing" for
a year. These guys weren't loafing, they were making a living far for the
comforts of home and when they got to rendezvous and saw the variety of
goods available, I gotta believe the temptation to buy a lot of the small
stuff for the coming year was great.

"Teton" Todd D. Glover

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Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2001 00:38:01 -0500
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Soaking Hickory Ramrods to improve flexibility?

thats the best mixture i have found and have used the others as
substitues

    "HAWK"
Michael Pierce        "Home of ".Old Grizz" Product line "  trademark (C)
854 Glenfield Dr.
Palm Harbor florida 34684        Phone Number:  1-727-771-1815
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On Sat, 03 Feb 2001 19:26:39 -0700 "Ole B. Jensen"
<[e-mail]> writes:
> Gentelmen,
> Terpantine and boiled Linseed Oil mixed 50/50
> YMOS
> Ole # 718
>

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Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2001 01:40:09 -0500
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: What a trapper would have!

On Sat, 03 Feb 2001 20:42:19 -0700 "Buck Conner" <[e-mail]>
writes:
>
>
> Arms and Ammunition:
> 15 prototype Model 1803 muzzle-loading .54 caliber rifles
> knives
> 500 rifle flints
> 420 pounds of sheet lead for bullets
> 176 pounds of gunpowder packed in 52 lead canisters
> 1 long-barreled rifle that fired its bullet with compressed
> air, rather than by flint, spark and powder
>

420 lb of sheet lead is about enough powder for 11760 shots at 28 bullets
to the pound
176 lb of powder using about 80 gr per shot is about powder for about
13200 shots---but we have to remember they had a small cannon with them
thus the excess of about 40 to 41 lbs of powder but this was probably
taken care of by the lead containers===52 which weighed about 1 lb
each---
52 X 28==lead for about 1450 shots which would require  17 lb of
powder---thus about 23 lb of powder excess for prime and for the
cannon---


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Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2001 00:01:29 -0500
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Research

richard
try williamsburg and also smithsonian---if you make a appointment with a
curatior you can sometimes see a lot of things not normaly on display at
smithsonian---had a friend that limked me up one time but dont remember
the process---try going to their website and asking a question in that
line and you might get a suprize and they might just try to help you
out---

hope it works---
    "HAWK"
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Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2001 01:08:17 -0500
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: What a trapper would have!

alen and ole
all you guys have good lists with each being modified to personal tasts
and such but to the like of me cant understand why you want so much
powder and not enough lead to shoot with it its just simple logic or
something in the back of my mind---that i must be missing unless you are
blowing stumps or such

lets see if all the guys have 54 or 58 cal guns
that's about 28 or 24 gage or that many bullets to the pound minus latel
loss---so lets total this up a mite----

28 X 15lb of lead  is ===about 420 round balls in 54 cal or 28 gage
24  X 15lb of lead is ===about  360 round balls in 58 cal or 24 gage

average hunting load for either gun is from 80 to 100 gr lets say 90 gr
average---which gets you about 75 shots to the pound including spillage
and loss

50 lb of powder X75 shots per pound gives us about---powder for 3750
shots??/

thus with the lead you specified you have quite a excess of powder---even
if each man had 15 lb of lead or about 60 lb of lead---

28 X 60lb is about ---1680
24 X 60 lb is about ---1440

for the 50 lb of powder you will need about ----50 X 75---3750---then
divide that by 28---about 134 lb of lead or for the 24 gage 156 lb of
lead ---guys that one pack mule just to pack the powder and lead---

you got about twice the amount of powder needed at that rate---
bet you are going to trade it to the natives for fur---but still need the
led to use or the shot for the smoothies---

the above is just my rough estimate and humbel opinion of course---?????
what say the camp---

I get about 75 shots to the pound with my 54 and thats about what my horn
holds just over a lb when empty---if i shoot the gun once a day thats
about 2 months worth of powder plus 15 shots---

2 or 3 horns of powder goes quite a ways when you look at it that way in
my estimation---thats just my humbel opinion of course

    "HAWK"
Michael Pierce        "Home of ".Old Grizz" Product line "  trademark (C)
854 Glenfield Dr.
Palm Harbor florida 34684        Phone Number:  1-727-771-1815
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Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2001 05:17:22 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: What a trapper would have!

Perhaps one reason for having an apparent excess of powder over lead is that
the fellows were coming from a place where it was common practice to 'bark'
squirrels.  A rationale for 'barking' a squirrel ( shooting the branch the
squirrel rests upon as opposed to the squirrel himself and thus the flying
spinters kill the beast) ---the rationale being that you would climb up in
the tree and pry your ball out of the branch for remelt and hence recycle
your lead.  Therefore, you would need apparently more powder than you
seemingly had lead for.  Barking was a common practice in the east.  I've
tried it and it works quite well.    flea

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Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2001 05:47:57 -0700
From: "Thomas Ballstaedt" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: What a trapper would have!

one could also trade the extra powder for needed items, not anticipated.
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> Perhaps one reason for having an apparent excess of powder over lead is
that
> the fellows were coming from a place where it was common practice to
'bark'
> squirrels.  A rationale for 'barking' a squirrel ( shooting the branch the
> squirrel rests upon as opposed to the squirrel himself and thus the flying
> spinters kill the beast) ---the rationale being that you would climb up in
> the tree and pry your ball out of the branch for remelt and hence recycle
> your lead.  Therefore, you would need apparently more powder than you
> seemingly had lead for.  Barking was a common practice in the east.  I've
> tried it and it works quite well.    flea
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Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2001 09:07:49 -0800
From: Linda Holley <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Soaking Hickory Ramrods to improve flexibility?

We use the same mixture to help preserve tipis poles.  Still flexible, water
resistant and the wood can still somewhat breath.  I have tipi pole over 30
years old.  Also good on my "sticks".

Linda Holley

"Ole B. Jensen" wrote:

> Gentelmen,
> Terpantine and boiled Linseed Oil mixed 50/50
> YMOS
> Ole # 718
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> >From: [e-mail]
> >To: [e-mail]
> >Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Soaking Hickory Ramrods to improve flexibility?
> >Date: Sat, Feb 3, 2001, 12:31 PM
> >
>
> >have tried the olive oil---doesnt seem to want to penitrate as well as
> >the thinner coil oil or decil would take a bit of the other oil and dont
> >have any at hand or i would try it---as long as you fill the pores of the
> >wood complete it makes a more homogenious rod thus the flexibility and
> >strength and toughness in my estimation either would work in that contex
> >but would have to test it over time to prove its reliability in my
> >estimation----


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Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2001 09:13:46 -0800
From: Linda Holley <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: What a trapper would have!

What was mosquito netting made of from that time period.  Seeing the list and being
from South, that really caught my eye.  Have been told by a Dog Soldier once, that
netting was not "period".   That had never crossed my mind before.

Linda Holley


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Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2001 09:38:11 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: degreasing coon skins

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Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2001 08:09:01 -0700
From: "Ole B. Jensen" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: What a trapper would have!

Dave,
Ups, forgot to put each after that item.
YMOS
Ole # 718
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>To: [e-mail]
>Subject: Re: MtMan-List: What a trapper would have!
>Date: Sat, Feb 3, 2001, 8:55 PM
>

>>Senario= 4 men
>>3 t0 4 horses or mules per man
>>6 to 8 traps
>> all the horses were there to hall plews out after the season was over.
>
>Ole,
>2 traps per man is a pretty heavy trap line for a man to run everyday.
>Do you suppose they would be able to handle it, and still fill all them
>horses?
>
>Dave Kanger
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Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2001 10:19:14 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Research

In a message dated 2/3/1 06:10:09 PM, [e-mail] writes:

<<Well - I'd start in the Williamsburg-Jamestown area. >>(for colonial
research)

Its been 40 years since I was in that area . The Jamestown re-build was just
finished.   'twould be nice to re-visit.
Thank you
RJames


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Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2001 09:22:22 -0800
From: "larry pendleton" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: What a trapper would have!

What was mosquito netting made of from that time period.  Seeing the list
and being
from South, that really caught my eye.  Have been told by a Dog Soldier
once, that
netting was not "period".   That had never crossed my mind before.

Linda Holley

Linda,
  My wife speculates it was a 'cheese cloth' type material made from cotton
or linen.  Modern mosquito netting looks a lot like old time cheese cloth
only it's made from nylon.  Makes sense to me.  Was your Dog Soldier saying
that mosquito netting was not period ?

Pendleton



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Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2001 08:21:42 -0700
From: "Ole B. Jensen" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: What a trapper would have!

Buck,
Thank You!
I spent 7 months in the Alaskan bush back in 1983, I took verry litle with
me on my first time in, but when I resuplied I took those things that made
me comfortable and happy. been there done that.
YMOS
Ole #718
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>From: "Buck Conner" <[e-mail]>
>To: [e-mail]
>Subject: Re: MtMan-List: What a trapper would have!
>Date: Sat, Feb 3, 2001, 8:42 PM
>

>"Ole B. Jensen" wrote:
>
>> Allen,
>> I have pondered youre question for a few days, I have looked at the lists
>> you have received.
>> Senario= 4 men (without squaws) leaving fort Hall in 1830 around August 20.
>> The following is my list.
>> 2 pair footwear ea
>> 3 t0 4 horses or mules per man
>> 1 riding saddle
>> 3 pack saddles
>> 6 to 8 traps
>> 1- long arm ea
>> 1 or 2 pistols ea
>> 50 lbs powder for 4 men
>> 15 lbs bar lead (4 men)
>> bullet molds as needed per person
>> 1- bullet laddle
>> 500" x1/2" rope
>> 5 lbs soap
>> 1 dozen gun flints
>> 1 skining knife
>> 1 scalping knife
>> 4 wool blankets per person
>> 4 yards patch material
>> 4 lbs tobaco
>> Chewing tobaco for horse wounds
>> 1- fire steel per person
>> 2 sets tin pots/copper/cauldron
>> 2-frying pans
>> 1-felling axe
>> 1-hand axe
>> 500'0" linnen thread
>> 12 sewing needles
>> 1 doz awls
>> 1-cup each tin or copper
>> 3-shirts each
>> 2-pair trousers or knee breaches ea
>> 4lbs coffee
>> 4lbs suggar
>> 10lbs salt
>> 1/2 lb pepper
>> 10 lbs floure
>> 1 journal per man for record keeping and notes
>> 6- lead pencils
>> 20 hanks of beeds for trade
>> vermilion for trade
>> 4 12'x12' pcs of canvas
>> 2-wedge tents
>> 1-hat ea
>> 1-Bible
>> 1-compass
>> toiletries as group wanted
>> 1-capote ea, or some kind of coat
>> 1-west ea (optional)
>> socks (optional)
>> fishing gear (optional)
>> reading glasses as nessecarry
>> smoking pipe's 1 ea or moore
>>
>> There are probably things I have forgoten, all the horses were there to hall
>> plews out after the season was over.
>> YMOS
>> Ole #718
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>Hey Ole,
>
>Did you ever look at what the L&C group carried according to Jefferson's letter
>to Lewis 1803.
>  ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>Inside the Corps has three sections: Circa 1803, To Equip an Expedition and the
>Corps.
>
>To Equip an Expedition provides a partial list of the supplies Lewis and Clark
>brought on the expedition.
>
>Once he was named by President Thomas Jefferson to head the Corps of Discovery,
>Meriwether Lewis began preparations for the long trip ahead. Much of that
>preparation involved education; in the months prior to his departure, Lewis
>would learn astronomy, botany, navigation, medicine and biology, among other
>scientific disciplines.
>
>In addition, Lewis spent his time accumulating all the supplies that the
>expedition was going to need. He wrote list after list of provisions, which
>included guns, ammunition, medical supplies and scientific instruments.
>While still on the East Coast, Lewis accumulated almost two tons of goods using
>the $2,500 Congress had allocated for the expedition.
>
>The following list is only a sampling of the supplies taken west by the Corps of
>Discovery, but it should give a sense of what an undertaking the expedition was.
>
>Mathematical Instruments:
>surveyor's compass
>hand compass
>quadrants
>telescope
>thermometers
>2 sextants
>set of plotting instruments
>chronometer (needed to calculate longitude)
>
>Camp Supplies:
>150 yards of cloth to be oiled and sewn into tents and sheets
>pliers
>chisels
>30 steels for striking to make fire
>handsaws
>hatchets
>whetstones
>iron corn mill
>two dozen tablespoons
>mosquito curtains
>10 1/2 pounds of fishing hooks and fishing lines
>12 pounds of soap
>193 pounds of "portable soup" (a thick paste concocted by boiling down beef,
>eggs and vegetables)
>three bushels of salt
>writing paper, ink and crayons
>
>Presents for Indians:
>12 dozen pocket mirrors
>4,600 sewing needles
>144 small scissors
>10 pounds of sewing thread
>silk ribbons
>ivory combs
>handkerchiefs
>yards of bright-colored cloth
>130 rolls of tobacco
>tomahawks that doubled as pipes
>288 knives
>8 brass kettles
>vermilion face paint
>33 pounds of tiny beads of assorted colors
>
>Clothing:
>45 flannel shirts
>coats
>frocks
>shoes
>woolen pants
>blankets
>knapsacks
>stockings
>
>Arms and Ammunition:
>15 prototype Model 1803 muzzle-loading .54 caliber rifles
>knives
>500 rifle flints
>420 pounds of sheet lead for bullets
>176 pounds of gunpowder packed in 52 lead canisters
>1 long-barreled rifle that fired its bullet with compressed
>air, rather than by flint, spark and powder
>
>Medicine and Medical Supplies:
>50 dozen Dr. Rush's patented "Rush's pills"
>lancets
>forceps
>syringes
>tourniquets
>1,300 doses of physic
>1,100 hundred doses of emetic
>3,500 doses of diaphoretic (sweat inducer) other drugs for blistering,
>salivation and increased kidney output
>
>Traveling Library:
>Barton's Elements of Botany
>Antoine Simon Le Page du Pratz's History of Louisiana
>Richard Kirwan's Elements of Mineralogy
>A Practical Introduction to Spherics and Nautical Astronomy
>The Nautical Almanac and Astronomical Ephemeris a four-volume dictionary a
>two-volume edition of Linnaeus (the founder of the Latin classification of
>plants) tables for finding longitude and latitude map of the Great Bend of the
>Missouri River
>
>Circa 1803 puts the expedition into a historical and political context,
>investigating popular misconceptions of the West, as well as Jefferson's
>motivations for exploring it.
>  ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>Wonder how much of this got lost or stolen ? A trapper a few years later would
>have cached 2/3 of it outside St. Louis.
>
>Buck.
>
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Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2001 10:24:51 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Capot fringe (was: Newby pitfalls)

In a message dated 2/3/1 07:21:51 PM, [e-mail] writes:

<<For those folks who don't believe me about fringes, kindly dig out your

copy of _The Mountain Man's Sketch Book, volume 1_, by James Austin Hanson

& Kathryn J. Wilson. Turn to page 24 & note the caption:

>>

But do you believe Jim Hanson????
I do.
RJames

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Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2001 08:28:48 -0700
From: "Ole B. Jensen" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: What a trapper would have!

Allen,
Forgot a few notations last night.
Ole
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>From: Allen Hall <[e-mail]>
>To: [e-mail]
>Subject: Re: MtMan-List: What a trapper would have!
>Date: Sat, Feb 3, 2001, 9:18 PM
>

>Ole,
>
>Excellent list, thankyou.
>
>Allen
>
>At 08:10 PM 02/03/2001 -0700, you wrote:
>>Allen,
>>I have pondered youre question for a few days, I have looked at the lists
>>you have received.
>>Senario= 4 men (without squaws) leaving fort Hall in 1830 around August 20.
>>The following is my list.
>>2 pair footwear ea
>>3 t0 4 horses or mules per man
>>1 riding saddle
>>3 pack saddles
>>6 to 8 traps per man
>>1- long arm ea
>>1 or 2 pistols ea
>>50 lbs powder for 4 men
>>15 lbs bar lead (4 men)
>>bullet molds as needed per person
>>1- bullet laddle
>>500" x1/2" rope
>>5 lbs soap
>>1 dozen gun flints per man
>>1 skining knife ea
>>1 scalping knife ea
>>4 wool blankets per person
>>4 yards patch material
>>4 lbs tobaco
>>Chewing tobaco for horse wounds
>>1- fire steel per person
>>2 sets tin pots/copper/cauldron
>>2-frying pans
>>1-felling axe
>>1-hand axe
>>500'0" linnen thread
>>12 sewing needles
>>1 doz awls for use and trade
>>1-cup each tin or copper
>>3-shirts each
>>2-pair trousers or knee breaches ea
>>4lbs coffee
>>4lbs suggar
>>10lbs salt
>>1/2 lb pepper
>>10 lbs floure
>>1 journal per man for record keeping and notes
>>6- lead pencils
>>20 hanks of beeds for trade
>>vermilion for trade
>>4 12'x12' pcs of canvas
>>2-wedge tents
>>1-hat ea
>>1-Bible
>>1-compass
>>toiletries as group wanted
>>1-capote ea, or some kind of coat
>>1-west ea (optional)
>>socks (optional)
>>fishing gear (optional)
>>reading glasses as nessecarry
>>smoking pipe's 1 ea or moore
>>
>>There are probably things I have forgoten, all the horses were there to hall
>>plews out after the season was over.
>>YMOS
>>Ole #718
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Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2001 10:38:49 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Research

To research colonial period:
In a message dated 2/3/1 11:57:53 PM, [e-mail] writes:

<<try williamsburg and also smithsonian---if you make a appointment with a
curatior you can sometimes see a lot of things not normaly on display at
smithsonian-->>

I'm not at all savy about computer research.  Guess now is the time to learn.
 Smithsonian seems to be the hub for a lot of good stuff and a hq. for
research.  May be one reason they are there.

Thanks to you, Michael

RJames


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Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2001 10:09:14 -0600
From: "Ethan Sudman" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Research

Yes, I've been to both. To tell the truth, I wasn't particularly impressed
with the Smithsonian. Chicago (I live in one of its northeastern suburbs)
has some really good museums, and I think that they are actually BETTER than
the Smithsonian. I really liked Williamsburg though.

Hope this helps.

Sincerely,
Ethan Sudman ([e-mail])

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> To research colonial period:
> In a message dated 2/3/1 11:57:53 PM, [e-mail] writes:
>
> <<try williamsburg and also smithsonian---if you make a appointment with a
> curatior you can sometimes see a lot of things not normaly on display at
> smithsonian-->>
>
> I'm not at all savy about computer research.  Guess now is the time to
learn.
>  Smithsonian seems to be the hub for a lot of good stuff and a hq. for
> research.  May be one reason they are there.
>
> Thanks to you, Michael
>
> RJames
>
>
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Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2001 11:59:22 -0800
From: Linda Holley <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: What a trapper would have!

Yes, because I was using a nylon.  Later made one of cheese cloth, but wondered
what was the real facts of netting.

Linda

larry pendleton wrote:

> What was mosquito netting made of from that time period.  Seeing the list
> and being
> from South, that really caught my eye.  Have been told by a Dog Soldier
> once, that
> netting was not "period".   That had never crossed my mind before.
>
> Linda Holley
>
> Linda,
>   My wife speculates it was a 'cheese cloth' type material made from cotton
> or linen.  Modern mosquito netting looks a lot like old time cheese cloth
> only it's made from nylon.  Makes sense to me.  Was your Dog Soldier saying
> that mosquito netting was not period ?
>
> Pendleton
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Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2001 11:15:11 -0800
From: "larry pendleton" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: What a trapper would have!

Linda wrote:
Yes, because I was using a nylon.  Later made one of cheese cloth, but
wondered
what was the real facts of netting.

Linda,
  I don't know exactly.  We have researched the same thing and can't come up
with anything further.  I do know that Lewis and Clark carried what they
called 'muquito biers'.
  If anyone has any further info, Nona and I would love to hear it.

Pendleton



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Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2001 09:34:29 -0800
From: "Jay Geisinger" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: Soaking Hickory Ramrods to improve flexibility?

Klahowya my Friends,

Yes, Turp & Linseed is IMHO the best.  Also a thought on the availability of
various oils in the Rocky Mountains.  Since wiping sticks were brought into
rendezvous, I would surmise that they were probably already treated by the
supplier, and we would have to consider the oils available in St. Louis.  A
second thought would be has anyone ever found documentation of treating
wiping sticks, tool handles and the like?  What do some of the old carpentry
sources say for treating handles.  Perhaps if we can find an original recipe
favored by the pre-1840 pioneers than we would have our answer.  It would
seem reasonable that the gunsmith would either treat a large batch himself
or purchase them from a carpenter/supplier already treated.  Thus having
them treated and available to walk in customers and or expedition suppliers.
Perhaps if no one has any existing research on this one it may be a project
that I will add to my list of 372 ongoing projects.  And yes, my wife says I
am just that anal.
YMOS
PoorBoy



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Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2001 10:47:27 -0800
From: "Jay Geisinger" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: MtMan-List: What a trapper would have!

Klahowya My Friends,

It has been a couple of years since I looked at the procurement lists for
the L&C Exp.  I do recall that many items were purchased and delivered to
other purveyors to be altered or to construct the desired items.  So I ask
this question to those of you who are more informed than I....Did the exp.
take both raw lead and the lead containers for their powder, or was the lead
purchased and delivered to someone else to become the same containers?

YMOS
PoorBoy



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